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(Fox 23 Tulsa)   House Republicans decide that people don't need mail delivered to their homes anymore, propose new neighborhood "cluster boxes." If only there was a word to insert between "cluster" and "boxes" that would describe the probable results   (fox23.com) divider line 503
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2013-07-24 01:54:11 AM
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2013-07-24 01:54:29 AM

fuhfuhfuh: If it was UPS, unless I paid the premium for Saturday delivery, I wouldn't see my package until Monday.


How dreadful!
 
2013-07-24 01:55:26 AM
But but efficiency. Efficiency kills jobs.
 
2013-07-24 01:58:05 AM

for the modMIn that greened this :

PIL Disappointed
 
2013-07-24 02:01:59 AM

USP .45: fuhfuhfuh: If it was UPS, unless I paid the premium for Saturday delivery, I wouldn't see my package until Monday.

How dreadful!


Too bad you missed the bigger point that even companies like UPS and FedEx rely on the USPS to keep their costs down. Eliminate USPS, and watch the rates for the other two skyrocket, since they would no longer have a relatively stable backbone to lean on in tough times.
 
2013-07-24 02:08:03 AM

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


Have you not been paying attention at all, throughout at least whatever wars happened within your lifespan?  The military turns the greatest profits of all, just not for the people who pay for it.

/With their money, or their lives.
 
2013-07-24 02:08:13 AM

vygramul: TuteTibiImperes: ability to create currency like the US

That's not really something anyone suggests we should do. And Greece has the exact same ability we do.


Not exactly.  They could create actual Euro notes, but it would be in violation of the terms of EU to do so without authorization.  The US is under no such restrictions to print dollars.

While I agree that further devaluing the dollar against other currencies through dilution isn't ideal for all purposes, it does have the effect of making US exports more attractive.  The weaker the dollar, the cheaper other countries can by our goods, which does indeed help the domestic economy in a way.
 
2013-07-24 02:09:08 AM

vygramul: OhioUGrad: Will the GOP take turns trying to name these USPS cluster boxes like they did post offices?

They will all be named after Ronald Reagan.


Guess that could be appropriate since most people would forget to check their cluster box.
 
2013-07-24 02:11:43 AM

Popular Opinion: TuteTibiImperes:  I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

ahahahahahaha


When you buy a home you take certain things into account to determine the value - how is the neighborhood, are there any annoyances such as major freeways or airports nearby, is there regular trash and recycling pickup, is it on city water and sewer, etc.  Curbside mail delivery would seem to fall into that category.

If that is suddenly removed, I expect there will be no shortage of lawsuits filed against the USPS and/or government due to reduced property values.
 
2013-07-24 02:16:49 AM
some_beer_drinker:  this. everywhere in canada...as far as i know. you lazy fark americans. my old man drives 400 feet to get his mail. talk about lazy.

When I had a superbox two houses ago it was an outstanding reason to go walk my dog instead of let him out in the backyard and be a lazy fark.Sadly, now I can be a lazy fark again because my mailbox is outside my door.
 
2013-07-24 02:19:15 AM
Cluster fark boxes? Sounds like fun.
 
2013-07-24 02:29:29 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: grimlock1972: Also Clusterboxes are fail when it comes to getting a package in the mail.

No they aren't.  There are a few large boxes in the cluster for packages.  The large size boxes have a communal key.  When you get a package, the carries places that key (to the large box) in your individual box, so only you can open it.  I realize you don't get this because you have somehow never seen it.  But it works just fine.  I've used cluster boxes for decades, and I have no problem receiving large packages in the mail.


I have used them , did so for years until recently, the package box or boxes work fine until ther eis a package too big to fit in to it or more packages then boxes.  mind i realize most larger packages come via fed ex or UPS these days but i have gotten some sizeable one in the mail,
 
2013-07-24 02:29:30 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Popular Opinion: TuteTibiImperes:  I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

ahahahahahaha

When you buy a home you take certain things into account to determine the value - how is the neighborhood, are there any annoyances such as major freeways or airports nearby, is there regular trash and recycling pickup, is it on city water and sewer, etc.  Curbside mail delivery would seem to fall into that category.

If that is suddenly removed, I expect there will be no shortage of lawsuits filed against the USPS and/or government due to reduced property values.


i'm not going to get into the possible effects on relative property values...
while i understand your point (about reasons you may choose a single family residence) your sense of entitlement is still funny (imo). if you chose a good neighbor hood, it will be a pleasant stroll amongst like minded professionals when you get the mail.

i am actually against the change, unless the released funds would be spent on children and poor people.
since it will instead be shipped overseas as aid to some corrupt government or agency, and then stolen, lost or wasted, i am completely against any reduction in services until every dollar in foreign aid is accounted for.

as a workaround, we can lobby for afghan contractors to complete the installation of the cluster boxes here.
as long as they never actually get built, you don't have to worry about taking a walk to fetch your mail.
 
2013-07-24 02:31:05 AM
awww yays, never woud get mail again... I barely check it now as it is.. send it somewhere other than my house and it never woud be checked if only for lack of time >^.^<
 
2013-07-24 02:31:08 AM

vygramul: theflatline: I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.   The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.

Not quite. The difference between the USPS and FedEx and UPS is that the USPS MUST deliver to every address anywhere in the United States and its Territories. You want to send a letter to some yahoo living out in east bumfark Montana, just past where the dirt road ends? The post office HAS to deliver there. UPS and FedEx will laugh in your face.

Since the USPS has to maintain capability (and that costs money) in places that rarely get business, they could NEVER be competitive, on the whole.


Which is oddly enough, the same reason why private schools and public schools are not equal and opposite. Public schools have to take everyone, and accommodate special needs, while private schools can pick and choose their student body, and oddly enough, drop those that they think will drop their scores or cause too much trouble. Public schools have to at least make the attempt. The point of public schools is not a profit margin, and comparing them to private schools, that ARE supposed to run at a profit, it's not really an even comparison. It's akin to comparing hospice care and the recovery rates at a children's hospital, or a private clinic.

And that's sort of the point. The government takes on duties that for profit companies can't, or won't take on. Because there's not really a profit in doing so. And how many ideas trickle out of government labs, that eventually find their way to the private sector, but whose basis was in pure science research? The government isn't supposed to operate at a profit, and the comparisons to private firms, who do get to pick and choose their clients, that's neither fair, nor is it even a genuine argument. And yet, these for profit firms are still just annoyed that the government is still, after 225 years of service, that the US postal service is still guaranteed by the Constitution...
 
2013-07-24 02:35:39 AM

TommyymmoT: I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?


Sgygus: What you don't want is one of these clusterf&uck boxes in front of your own house.

/trust me on this one


In Canada, at least, they are located on public land. Mine is located in a little plaza in a municipal park and has a roof to protect it from the worst of the elements and a small parking area for those unwilling or unable to walk or bicycle over.
 
2013-07-24 02:37:30 AM
I, for one, am fully in favor of getting rid of things the Constitution guarantees, once their intended purpose becomes obsolete.

Like, say, the Second Amendment, which became obsolete when we formed a permanent standing army.
 
2013-07-24 02:40:10 AM
Each and everyday. Reduce or remove services. Outsource your EMS/Fire/LEO to the town down the street.Consolidation. Free market solutions. LOL. It's just a matter of time before, you too, get less for more or nothing at all. Better hope you have reliable internet service. Med Alert. Life Lock. Goldline. CCW. And some mother effin Mountain Houses. The citadel isn't going to build and stock itself. COME ON keepers of Liberty!
 
2013-07-24 02:43:53 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Funny that you would use a picture of a "Supermailbox" to make the point that this is a kerfuffle about nothing.

Back in the 80s when those were introduced in new housing developments, Canadians were in an uproar about the decline in services, how people would have to (gasp!) get out of their homes to get mail etc.

As per the wisdom of <b>Jeff></b>, they got over it.
 
2013-07-24 02:48:03 AM

themindiswatching: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.

This. If they could politically get away with it they'd grant the monopoly on first class mail to UPS, who will immediately raise stamp prices to $10+ and stop delivering anywhere that has fewer than a couple thousand people.


However, what some people don't realize is that the USPS also delivers packages for UPS and FEDEX too.  Maybe we should stop doing this, because that's subsidizing corporations.  I have gotten to the point where I am having most of my bills sent through email anyway, so except for the crap (which my wife loves) it wouldn't make a big difference to me.
 
2013-07-24 02:56:16 AM
I'm grateful that my small-town route is grandfathered such that my house will continue to have the mail dropped through a front-door slot until someone else moves in. That person will, presumably, have to install a box at the curb.

Good golly, it's handy. Too bad I don't get any gov't checks that need to be safe.

Thank you, Mr. Walking Postman.
 
2013-07-24 02:59:50 AM
most of my junk mail goes into a recycle bin next to the mailboxes, so at least i don't have to deal with it more than a few feet.
 
2013-07-24 03:02:47 AM

Popular Opinion: most of my junk mail goes into a recycle bin next to the mailboxes, so at least i don't have to deal with it more than a few feet.


You get feet mailed to you??? Eeeew.
 
2013-07-24 03:07:07 AM

Gyrfalcon: ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.

Dear god this.

I rely heavily on the actual mail at work--legal notice is an area that depends a great deal on the US mail--but holy crap, the amount of garbage that goes along with the necessary stuff is insane. Do we really need to get a sheaf of glossy 4-color ads at a law office or realtor's office every week? It goes straight into the trash. There should be a way to clean that dreck out of the mail and still keep things moving along.


There was a proposal a few years ago to create a do-not-mail list for junkmail. The USPS strenuously objected saying it would go out of business. Junkmail is responsible for nearly all of the USPS's revenue.
 
2013-07-24 03:14:19 AM

Lsherm: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

In all fairness, without a standard mailbox it would be impossible for a mail carrier to tell where to deliver the mail.  I suspect no less than 10 million Americans would create their own mailbox if given the opportunity, and if you don't have standards about what it should look like or how it should be sized, how do you know what a mailbox is?


I can only imagine how that would go down: "This oatmeal canister taped to the wall is my mailbox." "This crucifix is my mailbox, please leave my mail in Jesus' hand." "This recycling bin is my mailbox. Leave all my important mail on top and recycle the rest." Dozens more suggest themselves.
 
2013-07-24 03:14:30 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Popular Opinion: most of my junk mail goes into a recycle bin next to the mailboxes, so at least i don't have to deal with it more than a few feet.

You get feet mailed to you??? Eeeew.


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2013-07-24 03:16:30 AM
House Republicans 2013-03: Vote against USPS ending Saturday delivery to save money.

House Republicans 2013-07: Propose USPS stop door-to-door delivery to save money, farking over anyone with mobility problems, and inconveniencing a huge percentage of single-family-home owners.

Color me surprised.

/Bring delivery down to 5 days a week, but don't kill Saturday - that's the only chance the M-F/9-5 folks have to receive packages via USPS. Kill Monday delivery instead. (Needs to be 2 days off in a row for simplification and to save additional HR costs.)
 
2013-07-24 03:18:20 AM

highwayrun: Lsherm: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

In all fairness, without a standard mailbox it would be impossible for a mail carrier to tell where to deliver the mail.  I suspect no less than 10 million Americans would create their own mailbox if given the opportunity, and if you don't have standards about what it should look like or how it should be sized, how do you know what a mailbox is?

I can only imagine how that would go down: "This oatmeal canister taped to the wall is my mailbox." "This crucifix is my mailbox, please leave my mail in Jesus' hand." "This recycling bin is my mailbox. Leave all my important mail on top and recycle the rest." Dozens more suggest themselves.


This is my mailbox:

www.eventsct.com
 
2013-07-24 03:18:54 AM
This sounds like a suggestion by someone who makes these Cluster Boxes...
 
m00
2013-07-24 03:24:09 AM
what's asinine is that we are cutting essential services for people for 4.5 billion, meanwhile handing out trillions to banks and corporations.
 
m00
2013-07-24 03:26:51 AM

Goimir: The tipping point at which it becomes a police state is where the average citizen is afraid of the police.


Wait, they aren't?
 
2013-07-24 03:27:44 AM
I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-07-24 03:28:15 AM

m00: what's asinine is that we are cutting essential services for people for 4.5 billion, meanwhile handing out trillions to banks and corporations.


Yeah, but those banks and corporations are necessary. They send out tons of junk mail every year.
 
2013-07-24 03:28:56 AM
Ah, Republican math. Save precisely zero dollars for hundreds of millions, to make them send billions to a half-dozen donors.
 
2013-07-24 03:31:46 AM

HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.


I'll let you two craicers sort that one out on your own.
 
2013-07-24 03:36:40 AM
GOP:

DOD federal jobs program: good
USPS federal jobs program: bad
 
2013-07-24 03:36:47 AM
Am I the only one who's had a billing dispute with a company after going paperless?

Also, this didn't happen to me, but a coworker had his checking account zeroed out several years ago when debit cards were finally expanding out into mom-&-pop underage brothels. His credit union said (a) despite the fact that we are only required to credit you $50 to cover the sudden disappearance of over $20K from your account, we will eat this entire loss and (b) did you catch the part in (a) where we didn't have to do that?

Helpful hint: Fine, go paperless, but pay for everything with credit cards. Then you have better consumer protection and, at a minimum, a line printed on a credit card statement that you can point to and say, "That thing right there is not something I purchased. Fix this, and be gone from my sight."

Other helpful hint: when Paypal makes it almost impossible to have an account without jamming a rusty drain pipe up (your bank account's) butt, they are not doing it because they care about you.

Cluster boxes: Fine, but postal service is actually a fundamental part of a civilized country. Civilization has overhead costs. Pay these costs or GTFO.

// Yes, I read and enjoyed The Postman long before it was made into a bad movie.
 
2013-07-24 03:39:56 AM

Danger Avoid Death: m00: what's asinine is that we are cutting essential services for people for 4.5 billion, meanwhile handing out trillions to banks and corporations.

Yeah, but those banks and corporations are necessary. They send out tons of junk mail every year.


You people just don't understand! This cluster box is property of the World Bank, that money goes to Italy!
 
2013-07-24 03:53:14 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


It was Democrats who ended education in the USA, and replaced it with indoctrination and feel good bullshiat.   I'm guessing you went to all public schools, and found those beyond your intellectual grasp.
 
2013-07-24 03:54:48 AM
So when I sold my last house, which had curbside delivery, we moved to this house which has a clusterbox.
A couple weeks after we left the old place, the realtor called and asked us for the mailbox key.  We never had one, there was no lock on our curbside box.  Turns out, the very week we moved, they transitioned the neighborhood to clusterboxes.
The part I don't really get is, the old house, we built in 1995, and it had curbside. This house was built in 1987, but it has clusterboxes.  But the folks across the street have curbside.  Both old and new neighborhoods are medium density suburban areas.
I know there must be some logic to all this, but it puzzles me.
Box isn't bad for us, its right on our property (probably on an easement, idk). I have never had anyone leave junk laying around out there.  Once in a great while someone will leave out a piece of misdelivered mail instead of delivering to the house themselves like the rest of us.
 
2013-07-24 04:00:12 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


Sure is great for all of those bunched communities.

But what's gonna happen in rural areas? Their post offices are closed, and in their place will be these clusterboxes? Really?  What's the payoff? Not paying the one man who sits in the P.O. all day and the couple of delivery drivers who are only getting part-time pay anyway? How much money does that really save?
 
m00
2013-07-24 04:11:04 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Yeah, but those banks and corporations are necessary. They send out tons of junk mail every year.


I say this as a Libertarian: People who side with banks and corporations (specifically with respect to their relationship with government) in this day an age are either brainwashed, stupid, or evil. Regardless of their ideology, political or otherwise.

Unfortunately our corporate-owned media is very, very good at brainwashing. And we live in a society that has stopped valuing critical thinking and personal honesty.
 
2013-07-24 04:16:18 AM

CraicBaby: HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.

YOU! People always think I'm you and I get really confused when they biatch at me for something and I have no idea what they're talking about.


You dudes should totally fark
 
2013-07-24 04:19:47 AM

TV's Vinnie: I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

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Or combine the two for major savings.  Put Fat Freddy on a Trek and I'll buy 100 sheets...
 
2013-07-24 04:20:56 AM

Gordon Bennett: HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.

I'll let you two craicers sort that one out on your own.


That's craicist.
 
2013-07-24 04:57:27 AM
I think it's high time we quit with the party affiliations. It's rather obvious our elders are acting like children, and us Gen-Xers are going to be the goddam generational janitors of everything.
 
2013-07-24 04:58:06 AM

TV's Vinnie: I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

[www.blogcdn.com image 200x268]


Stamps cost a fraction of a penny to print but cost $0.46 to buy for a first class letter. Having different designs cause collectors to buy them at full value but never use them for postage. This is a huge profit for the post office. Whatever they pay for licensing The Simpsons is a small fraction of the money they make off collectors.
 
2013-07-24 05:16:44 AM
We've used these for as long as i can remember. We don't even have postal delivery services around here.
 
2013-07-24 05:29:25 AM

Hollie Maea: Subby sounds stupid and lazy.


Subby sounds fat.
 
2013-07-24 05:29:31 AM

djkutch: For areas of single family homes? There is no area to install them that is not on private property.


You guys don't have easements around there? Strips of land the city can claim to widen roads with/put utilities into/install a permanent clown parade/whatever they like.   My property is only 40'x125' but it's a corner lot so I really have 60'x140' to take care of (so much grass!).  The extra L-section has a stop sign, a fire hydrant, two manholes, a cable box, a tree, and a big mail box.  All mine to mow around.  goody.
 
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