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(Fox 23 Tulsa)   House Republicans decide that people don't need mail delivered to their homes anymore, propose new neighborhood "cluster boxes." If only there was a word to insert between "cluster" and "boxes" that would describe the probable results   (fox23.com) divider line 503
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2013-07-24 12:35:31 AM
Here are 2 idea's. Congress voids the language in the contracts that say no layoffs so the USPS can cut the staffing they need to.  Charge bulk mailers and advertisers higher rates, these are typically below advertised rates and negotiated. Also stop selling names to advertisers.

If you want to go extreme then cut residential to 3 day delivery. But no change means anything unless the USPS can layoff which they can't due because of union contracts.


Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The postal service would be fine had Congress not attached a shackle to its balls and told it to make do.


You should check your figures as the USPS is losing more than the prefund (15.9B vs 11.1B).
 
2013-07-24 12:35:48 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


Yep. There were cluster mailboxes at the last apartment complex we lived at and there are cluster mailboxes at the apartment complex we currently live at.

It would be rare to find an apartment complex in my area that didn't have cluster mailboxes.
 
2013-07-24 12:35:54 AM
So they go to clusterfark boxes for all mail delivery; this means they're probably going to fire a lot of carriers that will suddenly become redundant since they won't need as many carriers to just drive from cluster to cluster. I wonder if retiring the LLV is part of this so they don't need a fleet of right hand drive vehicles and can just drive the minivans around to the clusters instead.
 
2013-07-24 12:36:58 AM

Nuclear Monk: They could always just charge regular postage for all mail, instead of allowing lower rate junk mail.  My mail volume would drop tremendously....they'd have to use the little flag on the box to let me know if there was really something in there.

I'm not against the USPS per se, but technology and the world is changing, and they shouldn't be immune to its effects.  Most mail could go away, and delivery could drop to perhaps once a week.


Yeah, I probably get something of value maybe once every couple weeks. The rest of the time, it's just junk that immediately gets chucked into the recycle bin.
 
2013-07-24 12:37:33 AM

2xhelix: vossiewulf: Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.

Especially the growing number of senior citizens that are too chicken shiat to walk down icy sidewalks in winter, just because they're afraid of breaking a stupid hip.


that's cold
 
2013-07-24 12:37:37 AM
1969:  let's put a man on the moon.  The farkin' moon.
2013:  let's stop delivering mail to houses because it's too hard.

Conservatism is supposed to be about reduced spending and smaller government.  At what point did it become infected with full-blown "I quit" defeatism?  Forget big accomplishments like energy independence and peace in the Middle East; we have to deal with politicians who want to shut down the mail because the basic infrastructure of civilization is unsustainable.

Maybe we should just ban this one generation from holding public office, and run everything with a computer until Gen-Xers can be bothered to step in and manage things.
 
2013-07-24 12:37:56 AM
there's a voter suppression, voter fraud, benghazi or obamacare angle to this somewhere...
 
2013-07-24 12:38:38 AM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.

If I had to walk down the street for my mail I would no longer get mail. Currently, for me, the postal service is primarily an advertising service that offers a few non-advertising services as well. The overwhelming majority of what I receive in the mail is simply ads. So there's just no reason for me to do anything more out of the way then the end of my driveway.


Keep in mind, the republicans would have you believe the USPS is taxpayer funded as well.
 
2013-07-24 12:39:21 AM
If the democrats want publicly subsidized buggy-whips / snail mail - let them pay for it. Just make them pay for it with extra tax - then you'll see how much they care about these issues.
 
2013-07-24 12:40:00 AM

themindiswatching: My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.


Yep, there are pacel mailboxes at my apartment complex too. On the rare occasion that a package is too large to fit the carrier will leave the package at the complex's office and the onsite manager will phone you to come down and pick it up.
 
2013-07-24 12:41:49 AM

MutantMotherMouse: I don't know why they don't quit charging for PO boxes. Assign one to everyone in their zone. No need for delivery clerks. Saves massive amounts on gas, insurance, vehicle upkeep, etc. The amount of money the post office has paid my mother-in-law alone in worker's comp for the multiple times her delivery jeep has been plowed down, they could build another post office just for her delivery route.


One postal jeep drives a say, 60-mile circuit at say 15 mpg - 4 gallons, at say, $4/gallon - $16/day

30 (or 60, or 200, I'm guessing) citizens drive on average 10 miles round trip at say 15 mpg (but they drive pickups so it's 10mpg really, but anyway) - $80/day
 
2013-07-24 12:41:56 AM

Nadie_AZ: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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What, not everyone lives in NYC or nearby?


NYC population:  8.3 million+
Flyover states population:  Three rednecks and a cow
 
2013-07-24 12:42:05 AM
Oh boy, more opportunities for them to give my packages to my neighbors, who don't make sure they get to the right person. Nevermind that my name is inside the box, matches the package, and the apartment number is on there, sometimes twice! And losing my outgoing Netflix discs. Thanks, mailman.
 
2013-07-24 12:42:16 AM
We called them "post offices" and we had them everywhere but for some reason they were considered too expensive.
3/4 of the mailing addresses in the US have boxes paid for by the resident at the location.  Does congress even have a clue how much cluster boxes cost to replace?
 
2013-07-24 12:43:01 AM
Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?

If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.
 
2013-07-24 12:43:13 AM
I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.

I used to advertize through the post office, and it is an expensive, miserable, unprofessional system every time. Until the post office is run like a business, and not a government bureaucracy, I'm not wasting another dollar on them.
 
2013-07-24 12:43:33 AM

WhoopAssWayne: If the democrats want publicly subsidized buggy-whips / snail mail - let them pay for it. Just make them pay for it with extra tax - then you'll see how much they care about these issues.


You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

I mean, you are aware of that, right?  You're not just spouting uninformed lies and bullshiat on the internets... right?
 
2013-07-24 12:43:40 AM

grimlock1972: Also Clusterboxes are fail when it comes to getting a package in the mail.


No they aren't.  There are a few large boxes in the cluster for packages.  The large size boxes have a communal key.  When you get a package, the carries places that key (to the large box) in your individual box, so only you can open it.  I realize you don't get this because you have somehow never seen it.  But it works just fine.  I've used cluster boxes for decades, and I have no problem receiving large packages in the mail.
 
2013-07-24 12:45:19 AM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


You like strangers reading your mail?
 
2013-07-24 12:45:53 AM
This is easy enough.  tell them you will not deliver to the door.  Customers must get a mailbox at the street.
Since it is ~100 more to deliver to houses vs a box, then each street can vote themselves a box at the corner.   Pick a property with an easement in a convenient location.

If they want mail to their property, then the whole block pays 10 bux a month each.

now, look at all that nice new revenue coming in....  Use it to lay off every worker making more than 35k.
Now hire a bunch of unemployed 25 year old Liberal Arts graduates for 30k a year.
 
2013-07-24 12:46:03 AM

prjindigo: We called them "post offices" and we had them everywhere but for some reason they were considered too expensive.
3/4 of the mailing addresses in the US have boxes paid for by the resident at the location.  Does congress even have a clue how much cluster boxes cost to replace?


Pocket change. Cluster boxes are cheap, delivery is expensive. A mail carrier with vehicle can spend an entire day delivering to one development.
 
2013-07-24 12:46:52 AM
The cluster boxes suck but I have to wonder if submitter got this story from the 1960s or 1970s.  I am in my mid 40s and aside from my childhood homes I have never owned/lived in a house with its own mailbox.  Here in CA they are rare in anything built later than the 1970s.  Even the first home I owned, a condo built in 1969 had the dreaded cluster boxes.  In my opinion they do suck and are a sign of creeping socialism, which now even the republicans apparently support, but its hard to get that worked up about them when they have been around for 30+ years and already outnumber individual mailboxes.
 
2013-07-24 12:47:53 AM
I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.  The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.

On the flip side the average postal workers pension is very high, I have a buddy who is retiring at 55 and is going to get 70k a year, and he makes around 100 now.  I would live to walk around town all day for that kind of money.

And all that junk mail, keeps the cost of the regular mail down.
 
2013-07-24 12:48:04 AM

vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


I lean pretty left but this is a pretty weak ass argument. We have these everywhere where I live, it is a pretty good idea to cut costs.
 
2013-07-24 12:49:22 AM

Ima4nic8or: The cluster boxes suck but I have to wonder if submitter got this story from the 1960s or 1970s.  I am in my mid 40s and aside from my childhood homes I have never owned/lived in a house with its own mailbox.  Here in CA they are rare in anything built later than the 1970s.  Even the first home I owned, a condo built in 1969 had the dreaded cluster boxes.  In my opinion they do suck and are a sign of creeping socialism, which now even the republicans apparently support, but its hard to get that worked up about them when they have been around for 30+ years and already outnumber individual mailboxes.


How exactly do they "suck" and wtf do they have to do with "socialism"?
 
2013-07-24 12:50:05 AM
This is a piece of cake.

split up each post office into cells.  Allow private companies, mostly sole proprietorships, to bid on routes.
Much like Fed ex home delivery.

This is actually income to the post office.  Now, every delivery route has a vested interest in getting mail out
timely.  There are plenty of these basically already set up.  Rural route drivers.  These guys use their own cars TODAY to deliver.
 
2013-07-24 12:50:21 AM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


The NSA loves that you like this service.
 
2013-07-24 12:51:24 AM
Already done in a lot of newer suburban developments.
 
2013-07-24 12:51:29 AM
tripleseven:

You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

I mean, you are aware of that, right?  You're not just spouting uninformed lies and bullshiat on the internets... right?


The post office goes billions of dollars in debt a year, limping along on tax payer money, because it is so fantastically expensive and wasteful the cost of postage doesn't come close to paying for it's service.

In case you were completely unaware of why we are having this entire conversation in the first place.
 
2013-07-24 12:51:55 AM
And yet Democrats are insistent nobody has their own home, or own car, or own land....


Hippiecrits. Come on guys, seriously?
 
2013-07-24 12:53:50 AM

Dwindle: tripleseven:

You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

I mean, you are aware of that, right?  You're not just spouting uninformed lies and bullshiat on the internets... right?

The post office goes billions of dollars in debt a year, limping along on tax payer money, because it is so fantastically expensive and wasteful the cost of postage doesn't come close to paying for it's service.

In case you were completely unaware of why we are having this entire conversation in the first place.


You're confusing a loan with a subsidy.
 
2013-07-24 12:54:02 AM

Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office


Same here, since the Post Office is infinitely more Constitutional than the Air Force or a standing army in peacetime or God.or marriage.

One can only marvel and wonder and puzzle that Republicans, staunch and passionate defenders of the holy Framers' Original Intent, don't outshine them with their own zeal.
 
2013-07-24 12:55:30 AM

Barfmaker: 2xhelix: Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?

Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.

I suspect you're being purposely obtuse in missing my point however to play your game, if someone is game enough to bring a meal to these shut-ins, don't you think they'd pop across the street to check the mail once in a while?

Or wouldn't their son/daughter who visits once a week/two weeks do it?

Because if nobody will do that for them and they can't do it themselves, then would they even be living in their homes alone in the first place? Who clears their walkway?

We're speaking of senior citizens here, not cripples or invalids (regardless of age). My friends who are both 73 are leaving for another trip to Europe in another week. They golf regularly when they're not travelling. They are, in my experience, normal for their age.

Maybe elderly Canadians are much different from the elderly in your country but, while we have invalids here of every age, being a senior citizen doesn't seem to be a debilitating condition on its own.

We also have Meals On Wheels and in many cases centralized mailboxes and our society hasn't crumbled. Noticeably.


It sounds like you have very limited experience with the elderly. Some labour under dementia and cannot leave their home well even though they are able bodied. One poor man I saw helped into assisted living ate only beans in his house for 6 months. He was all alone after his wife of 72 years died. He outlived all of his family and friends.
 
2013-07-24 12:56:19 AM

theflatline: The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.


Don't add any context, or anything.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:08 AM

efgeise: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


This would fantastic if

A. they could simply get the mail forwarded to them instead of taking it from my mailbox
B. there was the option to just have them scan the mail, not open it.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:10 AM
I'd love to have a cluster mailbox.  I had one at the townhouse and never had an issue with it, threw away junk mail in the send slot, and had a key for the package delivery box, they'd put it on my doorstep occasionally.

If I had it in my current neighborhood I'd be ecstatic, I could get rid of the ugly ass mailbox in front of my house, and I wouldn't have to look at my neighbors rusted shiat heap either.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:24 AM

jst3p: Ima4nic8or: The cluster boxes suck but I have to wonder if submitter got this story from the 1960s or 1970s.  I am in my mid 40s and aside from my childhood homes I have never owned/lived in a house with its own mailbox.  Here in CA they are rare in anything built later than the 1970s.  Even the first home I owned, a condo built in 1969 had the dreaded cluster boxes.  In my opinion they do suck and are a sign of creeping socialism, which now even the republicans apparently support, but its hard to get that worked up about them when they have been around for 30+ years and already outnumber individual mailboxes.

How exactly do they "suck" and wtf do they have to do with "socialism"?


They suck in that they show a distinct move away from customer service.  They are cutting service but guess what? My taxes and postage rates will not be going down one bit.  So I am getting less service for the same high rates. If that doesn't suck I don't know what does.  Not to mention they sort of force you to go out and likely run into some damn talkative or nosey neighbor.

The link to socialism should be clear enough.  They are an example of trying to force folks into sharing "communal" resources rather than letting them own things themselves.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:29 AM

poot_rootbeer: At my apartment complex, if you get a package the mail carrier just takes it back to the station and lies to this supervisor about having made a delivery attempt and left a notice for you. Then on Saturday morning you wait in line with 30 other people the same thing happened to.


When I was in an apt. the manager collected the packages and left a VM. I loved it.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:35 AM
Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."
 
2013-07-24 12:59:27 AM

Bung_Howdy: vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.

and fark anybody that believes things should ever remain as they are or were


For the service it provides the USPS doesn't cost that much, and if not for the fact that the Republicans have legislated that it be run inefficiently, it wouldn't be "in the hole" to begin with. Measures like this might save on gas, but converting the whole fleet to newer, hybrid vehicles would save far more and without all the associated hassles. Like nearly everything the Rs come up with, this is stupid policy. Understanding ought to dictate policy, and policy change; not the reverse.
 
2013-07-24 12:59:31 AM
Fecal Conservative:

It sounds like you have very limited experience with the elderly. Some labour under dementia and cannot leave their home well even though they are able bodied. One poor man I saw helped into assisted living ate only beans in his house for 6 months. He was all alone after his wife of 72 years died. He outlived all of his family and friends.

And you think the location of the mailbox is relevant to someone in this condition? He should obviously be having someone care for him or put him somewhere he can be cared for, where his mail will be tended to for him.
 
2013-07-24 12:59:59 AM

tripleseven: You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?


Yes, 100% - they are on the verge of asking for a huge tax-payer funded bailout - a cash giveaway. And also, if you want to argue that Congress should give them more leeway in running their 'business' I'm all for it. Because at the end of the day it won't mater - not one dime of tax-payer money - government bureaucrats will destroy it no matter what..
 
2013-07-24 01:00:02 AM

BuckTurgidson: Same here, since the Post Office is infinitely more Constitutional than the Air Force or a standing army in peacetime or God.or marriage.


They didn't have high capacity motorized vehicles when the Constitution was written, mail should only be delivered by horse.
 
2013-07-24 01:00:16 AM
welcome to west yellowstone, montana where every one of us has a p.o. box.
/not a big deal
//political parties suck
///slashies
 
2013-07-24 01:01:01 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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Yeah... that would totally never happen in rural areas. Never..

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Yeah, those totally didn't work. You had to drive a quarter-mile to get your mail. Or send the kids on their bikes, and we can't be having that nowadays.
 
2013-07-24 01:02:04 AM
If there's one thing you can count on, it's the GOP finding new and creative ways to piss people off and further alienate themselves.

I am completely opposed to cluster delivery.  I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

If the USPS is running in the red, raise the price of damn stamps already.  Make them $1 a piece, make them $2 a piece, raise the rates on bulk and commercial mailers (oh, careful now GOP, you might piss off your corporate overlords there, even though the net result would benefit the general public with less junk mail, but let's be frank, you don't give a damn about the bulk of society anyway do you, nah, it's all about those CEOs who give you those big checks and that sweet, sweet, mouthlove).

The only things I mail are the checks to my lawn guy and occasional documents to my mortgage-holder and home insurance company.  Make stamps $3 each and I still won't care that much, but try to make me have to go to the entrance of the neighborhood just to mail one of those things or get my daily mail, there will be blood.
 
2013-07-24 01:02:57 AM

Yogimus: AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

wait... which party has been in power for all of this?


Neither.
 
2013-07-24 01:03:03 AM

Somacandra: This will make it more difficult for old and obese people on hoverrounds. Therefore it will not pass, even though it would help kill the USPS just that much more.


Can't really kill the USPS.
 
2013-07-24 01:03:26 AM

Nuclear Monk: They could always just charge regular postage for all mail, instead of allowing lower rate junk mail.  My mail volume would drop tremendously....they'd have to use the little flag on the box to let me know if there was really something in there.

I'm not against the USPS per se, but technology and the world is changing, and they shouldn't be immune to its effects.  Most mail could go away, and delivery could drop to perhaps once a week.


The little flag is for outgoing. You may not get mail everyday but it lets the post person know there is outgoing.  Flag down is a crap shoot.
 
2013-07-24 01:03:27 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."


And what about the billions of dollars in debt the system generates every year? Are we just supposed to ignore major problems in this country because it inconveniences one tiny group of people?

Instead of seeing how political parties can manipulate this problem for their own needs, how about solving one of
America's problems for once.
 
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