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(Fox 23 Tulsa)   House Republicans decide that people don't need mail delivered to their homes anymore, propose new neighborhood "cluster boxes." If only there was a word to insert between "cluster" and "boxes" that would describe the probable results   (fox23.com) divider line 503
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2013-07-23 10:19:20 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you


Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.
 
2013-07-23 10:20:12 PM

TommyymmoT: I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?


Yes. But that just means you can become a mail tyrant by imposing a mail toll.
 
2013-07-23 10:20:20 PM

HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.


YOU! People always think I'm you and I get really confused when they biatch at me for something and I have no idea what they're talking about.
 
2013-07-23 10:21:10 PM

Lsherm: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

In all fairness, without a standard mailbox it would be impossible for a mail carrier to tell where to deliver the mail.  I suspect no less than 10 million Americans would create their own mailbox if given the opportunity, and if you don't have standards about what it should look like or how it should be sized, how do you know what a mailbox is?


Oh, I do understand that, and I have no problem with it

/I was actually referring to our local mail carrier with that little rant
//specs I can understand: this guy is pure, unadulterated, anal retentive about it
///long story
 
2013-07-23 10:21:52 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's more like an hour to Downtown, but yeah... no broadband up here behind the lake yet. We can get satellite (real outer space kind), assuming you have a sight line: I got too many trees. It's also expensive as hell.


It pretty much sucks ass too... which I'm sure you already know. I just wanted to be cool and tell you again.
 
2013-07-23 10:26:56 PM
I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.
 
2013-07-23 10:27:45 PM

miss diminutive: TommyymmoT: I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?

Yes. But that just means you can become a mail tyrant by imposing a mail toll.


And I'll make a mint recycling all the junk mail that is tossed on the ground.
 
2013-07-23 10:30:58 PM

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society. Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


You are correct. Here, this is for you

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2013-07-23 10:35:06 PM
Hey, Issa, halting pointless Comgressiomal fishing expeditions on topics that aren't turning out to be scandals would save a lot of taxpayers' money too.
 
2013-07-23 10:39:53 PM
Yeah they already do this all over the farking place, from apartment complexes to rural areas where the pavement ends. They are cool because they lock and it would be harder for a teenager with a bat to beat on. For some reason they aren't water tight, when I had one I was thinking about making a little gasket to go on the door. I ended up moving before I got around to altering government property fixing the damn thing.
 
2013-07-23 10:42:28 PM
we've gone to the moon, sent probes to the very edge of the solar system, and brought down the soviet union.

But now mail delivery is too hard to do.
 
2013-07-23 10:47:13 PM

2xhelix: vossiewulf: Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.

Especially the growing number of senior citizens that are too chicken shiat to walk down icy sidewalks in winter, just because they're afraid of breaking a stupid hip.


Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?
 
2013-07-23 10:48:11 PM

log_jammin: we've gone to the moon, sent probes to the very edge of the solar system, and brought down the soviet union.

But now mail delivery is too hard to do.


Too expensive for the result.  Don't mistake difficulty with efficiency.
 
2013-07-23 10:54:55 PM

Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.


riiight.
 
2013-07-23 10:59:40 PM

Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?


Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.
 
2013-07-23 11:03:32 PM
I have a mail slot in the wall next to my front door.  I keep a wire basket that can hold about 3 months worth of mail on the floor to collect everything that gets shoved through the hole.  If I had one of those itty-bitty group mailboxes I'd have to go back & forth to keep the stupid thing clear for more junk mail.

media2.woodtv.com

I've already opted out of every junk mail list I can.  Still end up having to recycle tons of mail.  Seems like such a waste.
 
2013-07-23 11:04:49 PM
The Congress does have the power to establish post offices and post roads. That's Article 1, Section 8, Clause 7 of the Constitution.

The Post Office was established to facilitate interstate communication. And the current cluterf*ck that goes along with allocation of funds to this end has essentially given rise to alternative shipping concerns, like UPS and others. And essentially, this lovely idea to "save" money, is essentially a way to give those alternative carriers a shot in the arm. It is a way of dismantling services to create more work for those who are donating to their campaigns. Nothing more. Nothing less. And give rise to the idea that the gub'ment can't do the job, when you have a Congress that is working its damnedest to make certain that is the case.

It's not a matter of walking down the street. It's not a matter of saving money. It's a matter of essentially dismantling services so that private services will be able to pick up contracts and business. It is self fulfilling prophesy to get rid of services that others can do for private profit, and slide some of those dollars into the hands of those who are going to deliver on this promise. It is about propping up industries by cutting out their main competition--and that competition is a service guaranteed by the Constitution, which is inconvenient, and Congress figures that it can starve that particular portion of the beast, because it gets in the way of a buddy's idea to offer an alternative, and paying a fair amount of cash to make that alternative seem even better.
 
2013-07-23 11:19:58 PM

2xhelix: Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?

Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.


I suspect you're being purposely obtuse in missing my point however to play your game, if someone is game enough to bring a meal to these shut-ins, don't you think they'd pop across the street to check the mail once in a while?

Or wouldn't their son/daughter who visits once a week/two weeks do it?

Because if nobody will do that for them and they can't do it themselves, then would they even be living in their homes alone in the first place? Who clears their walkway?

We're speaking of senior citizens here, not cripples or invalids (regardless of age). My friends who are both 73 are leaving for another trip to Europe in another week. They golf regularly when they're not travelling. They are, in my experience, normal for their age.

Maybe elderly Canadians are much different from the elderly in your country but, while we have invalids here of every age, being a senior citizen doesn't seem to be a debilitating condition on its own.

We also have Meals On Wheels and in many cases centralized mailboxes and our society hasn't crumbled. Noticeably.
 
2013-07-23 11:32:40 PM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


Exhibit A:  The USPS is the ONLY federal agency that is required to pre-fund 80% of its pensions for the next 75 years.  Its budget is bloated paying for retirement pensions of future USPS employees who haven't even been farking born yet.  The bill requiring this was signed into law in 2006.

http://www.phillytrib.com/newsarticles/item/1890-amnesty-int%E2%80%9 9l -calls-for-bush%E2%80%99s-arrest.html
 
2013-07-23 11:40:22 PM

CraicBaby: HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.

YOU! People always think I'm you and I get really confused when they biatch at me for something and I have no idea what they're talking about.


Awkward or Alt? THis is more important than TFA
 
2013-07-23 11:47:35 PM
Can I still smash it with a baseball bat while hanging out of a car window?
 
2013-07-23 11:49:39 PM
Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?
 
2013-07-23 11:50:25 PM

miss jinxed: I had these growing up outside of Denver.  What's the big deal?


For neighborhoods that weren't built with one, I would guess you get some NIMBYs, saying something that could be decoded as "i don't want scary black kids with skittles in front of my house"
 
2013-07-23 11:50:58 PM
Subby likes cluster farks in the box....he is just mad because he wishes his neighborhood was part of one.
 
2013-07-23 11:51:00 PM
 
2013-07-23 11:51:28 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?


They're trying to do what they've been trying to do for years. Kill the Postal Service.
 
2013-07-23 11:53:14 PM
I will give subby a break as the derp and stupidity stems from the article, not subby's interpretation of said article. But to clear things up SUBBY, moving to centralize mail boxes and away from door to door has been the postal service's position for the last couple of years.  Basically, new subdivisions get a centralized mail box, those who have mail boxes in front of their houses get to keep their current service.

If the choice is between centralized mailboxes in a subdivision vs. having to get a post office box, I think the centralized mail box would be just fine.  The postal service has to come up with some serious solutions in order to survive; this proposal doesn't seem to be draconian at all....
 
2013-07-23 11:53:23 PM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


...why didn't I think of this service, damnit?
 
2013-07-23 11:53:42 PM
Whaaaaa. The town in which I live doesn't have home delivery, or any other kind of boxes outside of the Post Office. Every resident is issued a P.O. box free of charge. I kinda like it for many reasons.

No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.
 
2013-07-23 11:56:01 PM
Let's just dismantle the entire country because it's what Jesus would have really wanted, had he been a racist white person who grew up in the late-twentieth century America and had little to no access to facts, ignored any contradictory information that confused him, and felt his privileged position in society being eroded by people who rightly called him out on how badly he was desperately grasping onto an imaginary America that existed only inside the minds of the corporate interests who wanted to pay less taxes.

See you in church on Sunday, farkwits.
 
2013-07-23 11:56:17 PM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


Whatever....What else is out there? Nothing else to know. No where else to go. Nothing more to invent.

//China steals it from us the second we find, do, invent something anyway. Let them spend the money-do the work for once and we do the stealing for a while.
 
2013-07-23 11:56:24 PM

Nadie_AZ: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


[www.publicdomainpictures.net image 615x368]

What, not everyone lives in NYC or nearby?


All the smart people live in Florida and Texas.
 
2013-07-23 11:57:31 PM

Poison Appleseeds: Satanic_Hamster: Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?

They're trying to do what they've been trying to do for years. Kill the Postal Service.


Oh, I know that.  But do you realize how much this proposal would piss off old people?

Any area I've ever lived that's even remotely talked about consolidating postal offices had armed uprisings of old people.
 
2013-07-23 11:58:41 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Shostie: Notabunny: How?

My initial thought is that it could save a sh*tload in fuel cost.

But I'm not a Republican, so you probably don't care what I think.

And man-hours...

/And it will create jobs.
//Somebody needs to build and install all of those gang bang boxes.


It might create a lot of temporary jobs (to get all those damn things initially manufactured), but once the saturation point is hit (which is suspect would either be incredibly quickly or never), then there'll be a purge of the excess. You also have to take into account that once 20 large neighborhoods get this done to them (so 20 clusters) you could cut 15 of the 20 USPS employees originally needed to deliver mail, and just have each worker take 5 divisions.

It's not a simple "jobs get" solution.
 
2013-07-23 11:59:06 PM
It's almost like the Buggy Whip Makers informed them of Email.
 
2013-07-23 11:59:20 PM
4 divisions. I can math good.
 
2013-07-23 11:59:38 PM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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If only people there had some sort of motorized vehicle with which they might run errands on a regular basis and could then include going to the mailbox in that routine.  Alas, such a tragedy that will never come to pass.
 
2013-07-23 11:59:46 PM

Piizzadude: CraicBaby: HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.

YOU! People always think I'm you and I get really confused when they biatch at me for something and I have no idea what they're talking about.

Awkward or Alt? THis is more important than TFA


If he's an alt, it's not mine. I don't have any alts. I have had people think I was him and vice versa.
 
2013-07-24 12:00:34 AM
pft, we've had a PO box, in the 2 towns we've lived in, over the last 12 years. Home mail delivery? What's that?

/It's not a big deal, really.
 
2013-07-24 12:00:44 AM
I guess if you have a servant bringing your mail to you, it doesn't matter that those other, lesser people have to leave their property to retrieve it.
 
2013-07-24 12:01:55 AM

jpo2269: If the choice is between centralized mailboxes in a subdivision vs. having to get a post office box, I think the centralized mail box would be just fine.  The postal service has to come up with some serious solutions in order to survive; this proposal doesn't seem to be draconian at all....


The choice isn't between that though. The choice is between paying current post office worker salaries and pensions as they come in, and paying up front for nearly eight decades worth of employee costs up front every time a new person is hired. Each time you lick a stamp you're paying for the health care costs of a current postal service employee to be able to get a checkup fifty years from now. If it sounds insane, it's because Republicans desperately want to destroy the USPS for whatever reason, and it is a law that they be able to cover with today's revenues the eventuality of every employee they currently employ, and any others they hire in the future.

The postal service would be fine had Congress not attached a shackle to its balls and told it to make do.
 
2013-07-24 12:02:04 AM

CraicBaby: If he's an alt, it's not mine. I don't have any alts. I have had people think I was him and vice versa.


That sounds like something an alt would say.
 
2013-07-24 12:02:48 AM
I think we could save millions if not billions by systematically publically executing all GOPers and just taking their shiat.
 
2013-07-24 12:03:12 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-24 12:03:45 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


wait... which party has been in power for all of this?
 
2013-07-24 12:03:59 AM

TwowheelinTim: No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.


A solution to this I once read: Get a large metal mailbox, and another the next size down. Put the latter inside the former and fill the gaps between the two with a batch of concrete. Mount it solidly enough on the support pole, and you'll find shards of broken baseball bat scattered around your driveway.

On topic.. my street uses the cluster-box model, and it works fine. One plus side for senior citizens; going to get the mail gives them a chance to socialize with the neighbors.
 
2013-07-24 12:04:29 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /on the bright side, I was assured when I moved here that DSL was "Just months away!"
//that was by PacBell


Correct me if I'm mistaken, but PacBell was swallowed up by AT&T a few years ago. At least here on the north coast it was. So "just months away" has dragged on for a spell?
 
2013-07-24 12:04:42 AM
We have one of those clusterfark boxes in our neighborhood. I don't object to them
in theory, but the asshats that installed it put it on the edge of a drainage ditch and
as the side gets eroded, the boxes slide further and further over the edge.

They haven't gone completely over yet, but the entire cluster sits at probably a 20
or 25 degree angle at this point.
 
2013-07-24 12:05:00 AM
The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.
 
2013-07-24 12:05:24 AM
Fustercluck?
www.theblindcard.com
 
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