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(Fox 23 Tulsa)   House Republicans decide that people don't need mail delivered to their homes anymore, propose new neighborhood "cluster boxes." If only there was a word to insert between "cluster" and "boxes" that would describe the probable results   (fox23.com) divider line 503
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2013-07-23 07:56:27 PM
...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.
 
2013-07-23 07:57:33 PM
Headaches?  I know people who get cluster headaches.  Is that what subby meant?
 
2013-07-23 07:59:11 PM
God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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2013-07-23 08:03:13 PM
Subby sounds stupid and lazy.
 
2013-07-23 08:11:33 PM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.
 
2013-07-23 08:12:06 PM
Bluster cox!
 
2013-07-23 08:13:15 PM

vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


and fark anybody that believes things should ever remain as they are or were
 
2013-07-23 08:16:29 PM
Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.

If I had to walk down the street for my mail I would no longer get mail. Currently, for me, the postal service is primarily an advertising service that offers a few non-advertising services as well. The overwhelming majority of what I receive in the mail is simply ads. So there's just no reason for me to do anything more out of the way then the end of my driveway.
 
2013-07-23 08:24:24 PM

vossiewulf: Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


Especially the growing number of senior citizens that are too chicken shiat to walk down icy sidewalks in winter, just because they're afraid of breaking a stupid hip.
 
2013-07-23 08:30:29 PM
Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


www.publicdomainpictures.net
 
2013-07-23 08:35:28 PM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


[www.publicdomainpictures.net image 615x368]


What, not everyone lives in NYC or nearby?
 
2013-07-23 08:41:12 PM
Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.
 
2013-07-23 08:41:16 PM
The best part of them is that if you pry the back of one open, you get to steal 10 or 12 peoples mail all at the same time!

/happens frequently in rural areas
//like the one I live in
 
2013-07-23 08:47:38 PM
Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.
 
2013-07-23 08:52:17 PM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)
 
2013-07-23 08:55:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The best part of them is that if you pry the back of one open, you get to steal 10 or 12 peoples mail all at the same time!


Oh no, somebody might take my grocery store ads!

It's not like a traditional mailbox is the paragon of security.
 
2013-07-23 08:56:12 PM

CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.


My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


This. If they could politically get away with it they'd grant the monopoly on first class mail to UPS, who will immediately raise stamp prices to $10+ and stop delivering anywhere that has fewer than a couple thousand people.
 
2013-07-23 09:07:16 PM
I had these growing up outside of Denver.  What's the big deal?
 
2013-07-23 09:07:27 PM
Somehow, the way of the Post Office strikes me as a metaphor for the way of the nation.
 
2013-07-23 09:09:15 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.
 
2013-07-23 09:10:24 PM
I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.
 
2013-07-23 09:13:40 PM

themindiswatching: My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.


Lucky. At my old apartment complex, if you got a package, they'd just lean it up against the wall under the mailboxes. I never trusted anyone not to steal my shiat, so I always had packages shipped to my in-laws' house.
 
2013-07-23 09:20:28 PM

SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.


But Obama IS trying to tear this country apart by not acting like he's "supposed to". (Of course, they won't say that because they'll sound racist as hell to everyone else.)

CraicBaby: themindiswatching: My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.

Lucky. At my old apartment complex, if you got a package, they'd just lean it up against the wall under the mailboxes. I never trusted anyone not to steal my shiat, so I always had packages shipped to my in-laws' house.


That sucks. The USPS does seem to have a habit around here for some reason of making me go to the post office to pick up any packages from overseas.
 
2013-07-23 09:24:43 PM

vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


We call them mail or cluster islands around here. Here's the thing: These work well for condo and town home associations. They are put in common area paid for by HOA dues. For areas of single family homes? There is no area to install them that is not on private property.
 
2013-07-23 09:27:34 PM

CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.


You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.
 
2013-07-23 09:29:56 PM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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Yeah... that would totally never happen in rural areas. Never..

thumbs.dreamstime.com
 
2013-07-23 09:38:14 PM
Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.
 
2013-07-23 09:41:56 PM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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this. everywhere in canada...as far as i know. you lazy fark americans. my old man drives 400 feet to get his mail. talk about lazy.
 
2013-07-23 09:43:12 PM
fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.
 
2013-07-23 09:43:30 PM

Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.


What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.
 
2013-07-23 09:44:54 PM

CraicBaby: They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.


i.imgur.com

Approves.
 
2013-07-23 09:46:04 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.


Ain't no broadband in these sticks yet

/not enough population density to make it ridiculously profitable
//dial up is almost worse than no intertubes at all
 
2013-07-23 09:48:54 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.


The non-hillbillies get AOL.

I AM A VENGEFUL AND CONFUSING GOD.
 
2013-07-23 09:49:14 PM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


THIS. They've pissed away any credibility towards improving government efficiency a long long time ago. I wouldn't believe any such proposal was actually honest and credible without a series of heartfelt public apologies for being such assholes against Federal workers for so long. At least show me the both the Greens and Libertarians both endorsing it and I'll consider it.
 
2013-07-23 09:53:39 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.

Ain't no broadband in these sticks yet

/not enough population density to make it ridiculously profitable
//dial up is almost worse than no intertubes at all


Really? You're like 30 minutes from metro Sacramento! That's rather surprising.

When I lived in Bumfark, Idaho... we had dish internet. Not satellite... a dish that was pointed at the big antenna thing on seed elevator about 10 miles away. That was kinda interesting.

/That's right... I know where you live. Muahahahaha!!!
 
2013-07-23 09:56:15 PM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


It's already a rule for new developments.  USPS has been dictating their route will include only cluster mailboxes for "new" routes since 2006 since they are allowed to define them as they see fit.  This change is for existing routes.
 
2013-07-23 09:57:20 PM
This will make it more difficult for old and obese people on hoverrounds. Therefore it will not pass, even though it would help kill the USPS just that much more.
 
2013-07-23 09:58:09 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.

Ain't no broadband in these sticks yet

/not enough population density to make it ridiculously profitable
//dial up is almost worse than no intertubes at all


Check wireless broadband.  Verizon has been a godsend to rural VA.  Otherwise you have to put up with the satellite bullshiat, which isn't as bad as dial up, but is pretty farking close.
 
2013-07-23 09:58:38 PM
I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?
 
2013-07-23 10:00:41 PM

Aarontology: I AM A VENGEFUL AND CONFUSING GOD.


Jesus farking christ... elect a man king and he get's all "I am GOD!" in a matter of hours.

Also... You should try the country life before you get all judgy. It's pretty awesome. This used to be my backyard:
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-07-23 10:01:03 PM

SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.


The tipping point at which it becomes a police state is where the average citizen is afraid of the police.
 
2013-07-23 10:02:37 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

What about non-hillbilles in the sticks?

And... who that fark gets mail they need to see anymore? The internet man... it's changin' the world.

Ain't no broadband in these sticks yet

/not enough population density to make it ridiculously profitable
//dial up is almost worse than no intertubes at all

Really? You're like 30 minutes from metro Sacramento! That's rather surprising.

When I lived in Bumfark, Idaho... we had dish internet. Not satellite... a dish that was pointed at the big antenna thing on seed elevator about 10 miles away. That was kinda interesting.

/That's right... I know where you live. Muahahahaha!!!


It's more like an hour to Downtown, but yeah... no broadband up here behind the lake yet. We can get satellite (real outer space kind), assuming you have a sight line: I got too many trees. It's also expensive as hell.

/on the bright side, I was assured when I moved here that DSL was "Just months away!"
//that was by PacBell
 
2013-07-23 10:03:30 PM

Notabunny: How?


My initial thought is that it could save a sh*tload in fuel cost.

But I'm not a Republican, so you probably don't care what I think.
 
2013-07-23 10:03:33 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Also... You should try the country life before you get all judgy. It's pretty awesome. This used to be my backyard:


Heh. When I was a little kid, I lived in the mountains of New Mexico. Beats the hell out of the suburbs any day.
 
2013-07-23 10:04:26 PM
Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing
 
2013-07-23 10:07:28 PM

Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing


You could fake your own death.

Or you could put your mail delivery on hold, set it to forward to a fictitious address and drop off the face of the planet.
 
2013-07-23 10:08:01 PM

Shostie: Notabunny: How?

My initial thought is that it could save a sh*tload in fuel cost.

But I'm not a Republican, so you probably don't care what I think.


And man-hours...

/And it will create jobs.
//Somebody needs to build and install all of those gang bang boxes.
 
2013-07-23 10:08:34 PM

Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing


I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you
 
2013-07-23 10:16:29 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you


In all fairness, without a standard mailbox it would be impossible for a mail carrier to tell where to deliver the mail.  I suspect no less than 10 million Americans would create their own mailbox if given the opportunity, and if you don't have standards about what it should look like or how it should be sized, how do you know what a mailbox is?
 
2013-07-23 10:19:09 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Shostie: Notabunny: How?

My initial thought is that it could save a sh*tload in fuel cost.

But I'm not a Republican, so you probably don't care what I think.

And man-hours...

/And it will create jobs.
//Somebody needs to build and install all of those gang bang boxes.


$4.5 Billion in fuel? My guess is $4.5 Billion per year in layoffs.
 
2013-07-23 10:19:20 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you


Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.
 
2013-07-23 10:20:12 PM

TommyymmoT: I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?


Yes. But that just means you can become a mail tyrant by imposing a mail toll.
 
2013-07-23 10:20:20 PM

HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.


YOU! People always think I'm you and I get really confused when they biatch at me for something and I have no idea what they're talking about.
 
2013-07-23 10:21:10 PM

Lsherm: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

In all fairness, without a standard mailbox it would be impossible for a mail carrier to tell where to deliver the mail.  I suspect no less than 10 million Americans would create their own mailbox if given the opportunity, and if you don't have standards about what it should look like or how it should be sized, how do you know what a mailbox is?


Oh, I do understand that, and I have no problem with it

/I was actually referring to our local mail carrier with that little rant
//specs I can understand: this guy is pure, unadulterated, anal retentive about it
///long story
 
2013-07-23 10:21:52 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's more like an hour to Downtown, but yeah... no broadband up here behind the lake yet. We can get satellite (real outer space kind), assuming you have a sight line: I got too many trees. It's also expensive as hell.


It pretty much sucks ass too... which I'm sure you already know. I just wanted to be cool and tell you again.
 
2013-07-23 10:26:56 PM
I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.
 
2013-07-23 10:27:45 PM

miss diminutive: TommyymmoT: I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?

Yes. But that just means you can become a mail tyrant by imposing a mail toll.


And I'll make a mint recycling all the junk mail that is tossed on the ground.
 
2013-07-23 10:30:58 PM

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society. Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


You are correct. Here, this is for you

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2013-07-23 10:35:06 PM
Hey, Issa, halting pointless Comgressiomal fishing expeditions on topics that aren't turning out to be scandals would save a lot of taxpayers' money too.
 
2013-07-23 10:39:53 PM
Yeah they already do this all over the farking place, from apartment complexes to rural areas where the pavement ends. They are cool because they lock and it would be harder for a teenager with a bat to beat on. For some reason they aren't water tight, when I had one I was thinking about making a little gasket to go on the door. I ended up moving before I got around to altering government property fixing the damn thing.
 
2013-07-23 10:42:28 PM
we've gone to the moon, sent probes to the very edge of the solar system, and brought down the soviet union.

But now mail delivery is too hard to do.
 
2013-07-23 10:47:13 PM

2xhelix: vossiewulf: Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.

Especially the growing number of senior citizens that are too chicken shiat to walk down icy sidewalks in winter, just because they're afraid of breaking a stupid hip.


Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?
 
2013-07-23 10:48:11 PM

log_jammin: we've gone to the moon, sent probes to the very edge of the solar system, and brought down the soviet union.

But now mail delivery is too hard to do.


Too expensive for the result.  Don't mistake difficulty with efficiency.
 
2013-07-23 10:54:55 PM

Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.


riiight.
 
2013-07-23 10:59:40 PM

Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?


Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.
 
2013-07-23 11:03:32 PM
I have a mail slot in the wall next to my front door.  I keep a wire basket that can hold about 3 months worth of mail on the floor to collect everything that gets shoved through the hole.  If I had one of those itty-bitty group mailboxes I'd have to go back & forth to keep the stupid thing clear for more junk mail.

media2.woodtv.com

I've already opted out of every junk mail list I can.  Still end up having to recycle tons of mail.  Seems like such a waste.
 
2013-07-23 11:04:49 PM
The Congress does have the power to establish post offices and post roads. That's Article 1, Section 8, Clause 7 of the Constitution.

The Post Office was established to facilitate interstate communication. And the current cluterf*ck that goes along with allocation of funds to this end has essentially given rise to alternative shipping concerns, like UPS and others. And essentially, this lovely idea to "save" money, is essentially a way to give those alternative carriers a shot in the arm. It is a way of dismantling services to create more work for those who are donating to their campaigns. Nothing more. Nothing less. And give rise to the idea that the gub'ment can't do the job, when you have a Congress that is working its damnedest to make certain that is the case.

It's not a matter of walking down the street. It's not a matter of saving money. It's a matter of essentially dismantling services so that private services will be able to pick up contracts and business. It is self fulfilling prophesy to get rid of services that others can do for private profit, and slide some of those dollars into the hands of those who are going to deliver on this promise. It is about propping up industries by cutting out their main competition--and that competition is a service guaranteed by the Constitution, which is inconvenient, and Congress figures that it can starve that particular portion of the beast, because it gets in the way of a buddy's idea to offer an alternative, and paying a fair amount of cash to make that alternative seem even better.
 
2013-07-23 11:19:58 PM

2xhelix: Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?

Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.


I suspect you're being purposely obtuse in missing my point however to play your game, if someone is game enough to bring a meal to these shut-ins, don't you think they'd pop across the street to check the mail once in a while?

Or wouldn't their son/daughter who visits once a week/two weeks do it?

Because if nobody will do that for them and they can't do it themselves, then would they even be living in their homes alone in the first place? Who clears their walkway?

We're speaking of senior citizens here, not cripples or invalids (regardless of age). My friends who are both 73 are leaving for another trip to Europe in another week. They golf regularly when they're not travelling. They are, in my experience, normal for their age.

Maybe elderly Canadians are much different from the elderly in your country but, while we have invalids here of every age, being a senior citizen doesn't seem to be a debilitating condition on its own.

We also have Meals On Wheels and in many cases centralized mailboxes and our society hasn't crumbled. Noticeably.
 
2013-07-23 11:32:40 PM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


Exhibit A:  The USPS is the ONLY federal agency that is required to pre-fund 80% of its pensions for the next 75 years.  Its budget is bloated paying for retirement pensions of future USPS employees who haven't even been farking born yet.  The bill requiring this was signed into law in 2006.

http://www.phillytrib.com/newsarticles/item/1890-amnesty-int%E2%80%9 9l -calls-for-bush%E2%80%99s-arrest.html
 
2013-07-23 11:40:22 PM

CraicBaby: HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.

YOU! People always think I'm you and I get really confused when they biatch at me for something and I have no idea what they're talking about.


Awkward or Alt? THis is more important than TFA
 
2013-07-23 11:47:35 PM
Can I still smash it with a baseball bat while hanging out of a car window?
 
2013-07-23 11:49:39 PM
Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?
 
2013-07-23 11:50:25 PM

miss jinxed: I had these growing up outside of Denver.  What's the big deal?


For neighborhoods that weren't built with one, I would guess you get some NIMBYs, saying something that could be decoded as "i don't want scary black kids with skittles in front of my house"
 
2013-07-23 11:50:58 PM
Subby likes cluster farks in the box....he is just mad because he wishes his neighborhood was part of one.
 
2013-07-23 11:51:00 PM
 
2013-07-23 11:51:28 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?


They're trying to do what they've been trying to do for years. Kill the Postal Service.
 
2013-07-23 11:53:14 PM
I will give subby a break as the derp and stupidity stems from the article, not subby's interpretation of said article. But to clear things up SUBBY, moving to centralize mail boxes and away from door to door has been the postal service's position for the last couple of years.  Basically, new subdivisions get a centralized mail box, those who have mail boxes in front of their houses get to keep their current service.

If the choice is between centralized mailboxes in a subdivision vs. having to get a post office box, I think the centralized mail box would be just fine.  The postal service has to come up with some serious solutions in order to survive; this proposal doesn't seem to be draconian at all....
 
2013-07-23 11:53:23 PM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


...why didn't I think of this service, damnit?
 
2013-07-23 11:53:42 PM
Whaaaaa. The town in which I live doesn't have home delivery, or any other kind of boxes outside of the Post Office. Every resident is issued a P.O. box free of charge. I kinda like it for many reasons.

No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.
 
2013-07-23 11:56:01 PM
Let's just dismantle the entire country because it's what Jesus would have really wanted, had he been a racist white person who grew up in the late-twentieth century America and had little to no access to facts, ignored any contradictory information that confused him, and felt his privileged position in society being eroded by people who rightly called him out on how badly he was desperately grasping onto an imaginary America that existed only inside the minds of the corporate interests who wanted to pay less taxes.

See you in church on Sunday, farkwits.
 
2013-07-23 11:56:17 PM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


Whatever....What else is out there? Nothing else to know. No where else to go. Nothing more to invent.

//China steals it from us the second we find, do, invent something anyway. Let them spend the money-do the work for once and we do the stealing for a while.
 
2013-07-23 11:56:24 PM

Nadie_AZ: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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What, not everyone lives in NYC or nearby?


All the smart people live in Florida and Texas.
 
2013-07-23 11:57:31 PM

Poison Appleseeds: Satanic_Hamster: Mother of God.  Are they TRYING to lose the elderly vote?

They're trying to do what they've been trying to do for years. Kill the Postal Service.


Oh, I know that.  But do you realize how much this proposal would piss off old people?

Any area I've ever lived that's even remotely talked about consolidating postal offices had armed uprisings of old people.
 
2013-07-23 11:58:41 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Shostie: Notabunny: How?

My initial thought is that it could save a sh*tload in fuel cost.

But I'm not a Republican, so you probably don't care what I think.

And man-hours...

/And it will create jobs.
//Somebody needs to build and install all of those gang bang boxes.


It might create a lot of temporary jobs (to get all those damn things initially manufactured), but once the saturation point is hit (which is suspect would either be incredibly quickly or never), then there'll be a purge of the excess. You also have to take into account that once 20 large neighborhoods get this done to them (so 20 clusters) you could cut 15 of the 20 USPS employees originally needed to deliver mail, and just have each worker take 5 divisions.

It's not a simple "jobs get" solution.
 
2013-07-23 11:59:06 PM
It's almost like the Buggy Whip Makers informed them of Email.
 
2013-07-23 11:59:20 PM
4 divisions. I can math good.
 
2013-07-23 11:59:38 PM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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If only people there had some sort of motorized vehicle with which they might run errands on a regular basis and could then include going to the mailbox in that routine.  Alas, such a tragedy that will never come to pass.
 
2013-07-23 11:59:46 PM

Piizzadude: CraicBaby: HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.

YOU! People always think I'm you and I get really confused when they biatch at me for something and I have no idea what they're talking about.

Awkward or Alt? THis is more important than TFA


If he's an alt, it's not mine. I don't have any alts. I have had people think I was him and vice versa.
 
2013-07-24 12:00:34 AM
pft, we've had a PO box, in the 2 towns we've lived in, over the last 12 years. Home mail delivery? What's that?

/It's not a big deal, really.
 
2013-07-24 12:00:44 AM
I guess if you have a servant bringing your mail to you, it doesn't matter that those other, lesser people have to leave their property to retrieve it.
 
2013-07-24 12:01:55 AM

jpo2269: If the choice is between centralized mailboxes in a subdivision vs. having to get a post office box, I think the centralized mail box would be just fine.  The postal service has to come up with some serious solutions in order to survive; this proposal doesn't seem to be draconian at all....


The choice isn't between that though. The choice is between paying current post office worker salaries and pensions as they come in, and paying up front for nearly eight decades worth of employee costs up front every time a new person is hired. Each time you lick a stamp you're paying for the health care costs of a current postal service employee to be able to get a checkup fifty years from now. If it sounds insane, it's because Republicans desperately want to destroy the USPS for whatever reason, and it is a law that they be able to cover with today's revenues the eventuality of every employee they currently employ, and any others they hire in the future.

The postal service would be fine had Congress not attached a shackle to its balls and told it to make do.
 
2013-07-24 12:02:04 AM

CraicBaby: If he's an alt, it's not mine. I don't have any alts. I have had people think I was him and vice versa.


That sounds like something an alt would say.
 
2013-07-24 12:02:48 AM
I think we could save millions if not billions by systematically publically executing all GOPers and just taking their shiat.
 
2013-07-24 12:03:12 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-24 12:03:45 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


wait... which party has been in power for all of this?
 
2013-07-24 12:03:59 AM

TwowheelinTim: No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.


A solution to this I once read: Get a large metal mailbox, and another the next size down. Put the latter inside the former and fill the gaps between the two with a batch of concrete. Mount it solidly enough on the support pole, and you'll find shards of broken baseball bat scattered around your driveway.

On topic.. my street uses the cluster-box model, and it works fine. One plus side for senior citizens; going to get the mail gives them a chance to socialize with the neighbors.
 
2013-07-24 12:04:29 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /on the bright side, I was assured when I moved here that DSL was "Just months away!"
//that was by PacBell


Correct me if I'm mistaken, but PacBell was swallowed up by AT&T a few years ago. At least here on the north coast it was. So "just months away" has dragged on for a spell?
 
2013-07-24 12:04:42 AM
We have one of those clusterfark boxes in our neighborhood. I don't object to them
in theory, but the asshats that installed it put it on the edge of a drainage ditch and
as the side gets eroded, the boxes slide further and further over the edge.

They haven't gone completely over yet, but the entire cluster sits at probably a 20
or 25 degree angle at this point.
 
2013-07-24 12:05:00 AM
The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.
 
2013-07-24 12:05:24 AM
Fustercluck?
www.theblindcard.com
 
2013-07-24 12:05:44 AM
If its a totally proper cluster box, they have these slots in them that you put all your junk mail, then the mail carrier comes along the next time and takes out all the junk mail and delivers it to the station for recycling.

/Or is that the outgoing mail slot?
//Meh, any old slot in a storm and you don't get busted for littering.
 
2013-07-24 12:06:10 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


Door-to-door delivery for some, miniature cluster boxes for others!
 
2013-07-24 12:06:27 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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I grew up in a place like this.  They don't have mail delivery anyhow.  You have to drive a few miles to go to the post office.  PO box only.  If anything, a cluster box would be an improvement.
 
2013-07-24 12:07:32 AM
At my apartment complex, if you get a package the mail carrier just takes it back to the station and lies to this supervisor about having made a delivery attempt and left a notice for you. Then on Saturday morning you wait in line with 30 other people the same thing happened to.
 
2013-07-24 12:07:36 AM

vbob: Fustercluck?
[www.theblindcard.com image 500x666]


I want that and I don't even have home mail delivery.
 
2013-07-24 12:07:45 AM
I have not received a piece of mail I needed in several years.  All those willing to try may do the same.

Disassemble the whole Goddamn thing!
 
2013-07-24 12:08:14 AM
I'm going to have to side with the pubs on this one. Rural delivery is just plain wasteful. Have you seen some of those backwoods roads in Montana and Wyoming? Why should the USPS have to drive 60 miles out into the middle of nowhere to service 4 or 5 mailboxes of mega cattle ranchers? Let them drive into town once a week/month and get it themselves.

I say clusterboxes aren't nearly draconian enough - centralize everything into post offices. Cut staff and fuel costs and we're off to the races.

If rich folks who live in the country want to have curbside service let them pay the private market the pubs speak so highly of...
 
2013-07-24 12:08:57 AM
sheep snorter:
//Meh, any old slot in a storm and you don't get busted for littering.


Tell that to my Pop.
 
2013-07-24 12:09:43 AM
Nobody remembers this lunatic?

www.commondreams.org
 
2013-07-24 12:10:22 AM
When "cluster mailboxes = third world hardship" you know these people have lost any shred of perspective.
 
2013-07-24 12:11:20 AM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox NSA and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


Whatever works for you.
 
2013-07-24 12:11:58 AM
Like everybody else said, any newer subdivision already has these, and it isn't even a cluster for the whole subdivision, usually there is a 16 box cluster on every block  (most I see are in the middle of the block somewhere) so nobody has to go all that far.
I live in an older neighborhood now, with delivery to the door, but I'm moving to a newer subdivision in 3 weeks, the cluster box is 3 houses down from mine. It isn't going to be that much harder to get my mail.

I can see this saving some cash, and some people are going to hate it because they hate change. Hell, there may even be some sort of compromise where if a person can prove they are disabled the mail carrier will still bring it to the door. It looks like there is already a "Mail Delivery to the Physically Handicapped Act" that does just that--fill out a form, doctor signs it, postmaster approves it, and you still get mail delivered to the door.

/I really don't care
//Have a PO Box anyway--it is more secure
///Saturdays can be done away with too
 
2013-07-24 12:12:21 AM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


This is the Postmaster General's proposal for the USPS to not go bankrupt, and the shift has been gradually happening for years. Does he want the USPS to fail too? I guess you have a better way to close a USPS deficit that's $16B and growing?
 
2013-07-24 12:13:08 AM

miss jinxed: I had these growing up outside of Denver.  What's the big deal?


I had those when I lived in California. It was a pain in the ass. Now that I live in the Midwest I hope we don't get them ever. I'd hate to walk through feet of snow and ice and across sidewalks the city refuses to maintain just to get mail. I like being able to stick my arm outside and get my mail without breaking a hip.
 
2013-07-24 12:14:55 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


That's what I was thinking.  Subby, you've never seen....wait really?

Sometimes I wish for a law where the media couldn't print any affiliated party information for one month when reporting on proposed new laws.  C'mon guys even Hitler had a few good idea every now and then.  All the hippies driving beetles ("the people's car") can attest to that.
 
2013-07-24 12:15:05 AM

vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


Not to mention all those losers who are too lazy not to get old.
 
2013-07-24 12:15:21 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.elsuavio:

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Which are the least profitable and thus most in need of Constitutionally-mandated postal service - also happening to be the reddest tracts in the nation - whose constituents their Republican representatives want to hand over to Fedex.
 
2013-07-24 12:15:58 AM

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


Well, that's what it's always been and, before the Tea Party-like mindset where the Right actively sought ways to attack it, that's how society understood it.  Like the roads, like sanitation, it's something that provides a benefit far above its costs.  But we, as a collective nation, are in the process of destroying ourselves, so there it goes.
 
2013-07-24 12:16:00 AM
We don't have a cluster box, but my closest two neighbors and I all have boxes right next to each other at the end of the shared driveway.  The driveway is about a mile long and it's about a mile to the next closest little row of mailboxes, so I feel like we're meeting the PO halfway with this.  The farker still likes to leave packages sitting on top of the boxes though, with his half-drunk morning cup of coffee.  Won't even waste a delivery slip and take the package back to the post office.
 
2013-07-24 12:16:24 AM

buzzcut73: Like everybody else said, any newer subdivision already has these, and it isn't even a cluster for the whole subdivision, usually there is a 16 box cluster on every block  (most I see are in the middle of the block somewhere) so nobody has to go all that far.
I live in an older neighborhood now, with delivery to the door, but I'm moving to a newer subdivision in 3 weeks, the cluster box is 3 houses down from mine. It isn't going to be that much harder to get my mail.

I can see this saving some cash, and some people are going to hate it because they hate change. Hell, there may even be some sort of compromise where if a person can prove they are disabled the mail carrier will still bring it to the door. It looks like there is already a "Mail Delivery to the Physically Handicapped Act" that does just that--fill out a form, doctor signs it, postmaster approves it, and you still get mail delivered to the door.

/I really don't care
//Have a PO Box anyway--it is more secure
///Saturdays can be done away with too


Any subdivision, hoa or not, that I've lived in for the last twenty years has had these. Large lock boxes for packages and individual boxes for mail. They are in public rights of way.

What's the issue here?
 
2013-07-24 12:16:56 AM

djkutch: We call them mail or cluster islands around here. Here's the thing: These work well for condo and town home associations. They are put in common area paid for by HOA dues. For areas of single family homes? There is no area to install them that is not on private property.


That is where the 'put up a mailbox at the end of your driveway' comes in.
 
2013-07-24 12:17:01 AM
Apparently I'm not the only one who realizes this kind of delivery has been around for decades.  Even in the sticks.  Welcome to the 70s, subby.
 
2013-07-24 12:17:42 AM

TwowheelinTim: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /on the bright side, I was assured when I moved here that DSL was "Just months away!"
//that was by PacBell

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but PacBell was swallowed up by AT&T a few years ago. At least here on the north coast it was. So "just months away" has dragged on for a spell?


Yeah... we even went through SBC on the way

/a skosh over 8 years now
 
2013-07-24 12:18:06 AM
If trayvon martin had his skittles and watermellon juice mailed to him, he would be alive today.
 
2013-07-24 12:18:39 AM
Bashar,

Of course your take on things isn't really based in reality.  The postal service as a quasi-independent agency of the government is supposed to operate off of its revenues.  Prior to a few years ago, the postal service had never laid off any employees.  The requirement for the postal service fully fund its pensions is neither draconian, nor an act of trying to kill the postal service, it is one endangered example of common sense coming out of DC.

Granted, if the entire federal government had to adhere to the same rules, the size and scope of govt. would be much smaller..  I do not harbor ill feelings towards govt workers, many/most perform a vital service with little to no individual recognition... but if an "independent agency" is truly independent, would they need a govt. bailout?
 
2013-07-24 12:19:14 AM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


What about legal stuff, new debit/credit cards, packages... ?
 
2013-07-24 12:19:22 AM
kidgenius:

Any subdivision, hoa or not, that I've lived in for the last twenty years has had these. Large lock boxes for packages and individual boxes for mail. They are in public rights of way.

What's the issue here?


I have no issue with it. I was saying the same thing--these things have been around forever, and you don't even have to walk that far because they tend to place one on every block.
We're on the same side--this is not a big deal, and some people are biatching because they like to biatch.
 
2013-07-24 12:20:41 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


So nothing about the obvious positive environmental impact of using grouped mailboxes?

So full of hate...
 
2013-07-24 12:20:46 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


Rush warned us years ago.
 
2013-07-24 12:21:04 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


I propose that there would be a maximum distance between "clusters" of boxes and residents.  So if you are the only person for miles around, then your individual box is itself a cluster,.  There, rectified without shooting down the idea mindlessly.
 
2013-07-24 12:21:46 AM

ChaoticCoyote: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

What about legal stuff, new debit/credit cards, packages... ?


Fedex, bub, and you'\ll pay what they say and like it.
 
2013-07-24 12:21:49 AM
My house, built in 1982, has this style of mailbox.  Not convenient but not the end of world either.
 
2013-07-24 12:21:56 AM
I'm changing my middle name to Clusterbox...it just sounds farkin' cool! John "Clusterbox" Smith....Fred "Clusterbox" Ortega...Danny "Clusterbox" Gambino
 
2013-07-24 12:23:17 AM

geoduck42: TwowheelinTim: No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.

A solution to this I once read: Get a large metal mailbox, and another the next size down. Put the latter inside the former and fill the gaps between the two with a batch of concrete. Mount it solidly enough on the support pole, and you'll find shards of broken baseball bat scattered around your driveway.

On topic.. my street uses the cluster-box model, and it works fine. One plus side for senior citizens; going to get the mail gives them a chance to socialize with the neighbors.


I've lived in neighborhoods with the CFBoxes and didn't mind it. Yes, it's kind of a social gathering place to meet your neighbors in the evening. I make a point of getting along with my neighbors. It's very, um, neighborly.

For what it's worth, the town I live in was founded in 1903 and they decided then not to have home delivery. If people don't like it, they can live somewhere else.
 
2013-07-24 12:24:30 AM
I don't know why they don't quit charging for PO boxes. Assign one to everyone in their zone. No need for delivery clerks. Saves massive amounts on gas, insurance, vehicle upkeep, etc. The amount of money the post office has paid my mother-in-law alone in worker's comp for the multiple times her delivery jeep has been plowed down, they could build another post office just for her delivery route.
 
2013-07-24 12:26:07 AM
I have an idea that would save the USPS money: how about, when someone has a letter for me, I just go directly to them and pick it up? If everyone did this, we wouldn't need the USPS at all. It's the only bootstrappy approach.
 
2013-07-24 12:29:43 AM

albatros183: NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.

Rush warned us years ago.


Conform or be cast out.
 
2013-07-24 12:29:50 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The best part of them is that if you pry the back of one open, you get to steal 10 or 12 peoples mail all at the same time!

/happens frequently in rural areas
//like the one I live in


Exactly! It was hard enough feeding my family on unemployment checks 5 years ago.. It was even harder when the mail thief would make his monthly rounds and steal my UI checks from the community box.

It was even better when Maria Lopez used my stolen SSN to file me as a dependent. The IRS did not appreciate me filing myself as head of household that same year too.

Eventually our HOA charged us all an extra $500 for 2 months to build a big metal cage around the community mail boxes. They were only robbed a couple times more after that.. LOL.
 
2013-07-24 12:29:58 AM
http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20110811/DEPARTMENTS02/108110303/ U SPS-aims-cut-third-workforce

The U.S. Postal Service is planning to cut 220,000 employees - roughly a third of its workforce, and half of those through layoffs - by 2015.

It also said it wants to set up its own health benefits plan for employees and stop offering a pension for new employees.

The Postal Service is essentially bankrupt and will run out of cash next month, which is forcing it to take drastic steps to cut costs. Federal Times obtained draft documents outlining the agency's plans, which were first reported by The Washington Post.

"If we were a private company, we already would have filed for bankruptcy and gone through restructuring - much like major automakers did two years ago," the Postal Service said in one paper.

The Postal Service said attrition will cut 100,000 employees, but layoffs will be needed to eliminate the other 120,000 and bring its total workforce down to 425,000. However, unions' collective bargaining agreements have for decades banned layoffs, and the Postal Service said it has been unable to convince them to give up those protections during contract negotiations. So the Postal Service is asking Congress to step in and pass a law removing those layoff protections.

Fredric Rolando, president of the National Association of Letter Carriers, objected to the Postal Service's plans in a statement.

"The Congress of the United States does not engage in contract negotiations with unions and we do not believe they are about to do so," Rolando said. "Contract negotiations for NALC open Thursday, Aug. 18. USPS is free to bring these issues to the table. If they do so, we will bargain in good faith."

The Postal Service also proposes to speed up plans to close and consolidate facilities to cut costs. If it closes facilities butcan't lay off employees, thousands will be left idle and the Postal Service won't be able to bring its expenses in line with revenues.

The Postal Service also said the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program doesn't meet its needs, and said it will ask Congress for permission to pull its 600,000 active employees and 480,000 retirees out of the program. The Postal Service wouldset up its own health plan instead, which it said would be simpler, more cost effective, and more in line with the private sector.

The Postal Service also wants to pull employees and retirees out of the Federal Employees Retirement System and the Civil Service Retirement System and put them into a new Postal Service Retirement Program.

But future employees would no longer receive a defined benefit pension, as CSRS and FERS employees do. They would only have a defined contribution plan, similar to a 401(k) or the current Thrift Savings Plan. It is unclear whether postal employees would remain under the TSP or would have their own defined contribution plan under the postal plan.

Existing retirees would continue to receive the same level of benefits. Current CSRS and FERS employees near retirement would receive the same level of benefits when they retire as they would have if they had stayed in their old plans.

The Postal Service said it may reduce future benefits for current FERS employees who are not near retirement.
 
2013-07-24 12:30:15 AM

TwowheelinTim: For what it's worth, the town I live in was founded in 1903 and they decided then not to have home delivery. If people don't like it, they can live somewhere else.


I have relatives who live in a really small town where they have to go over to the town post office to get their mail.
 
2013-07-24 12:30:19 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Also... You should try the country life before you get all judgy. It's pretty awesome.


If you have access to water of which you cannot see land on the other side, it's all good.

If you live in "country" that is a land-locked wasteland, where you can watch your dog run away - for three days - that's completely different.

/misses water
 
2013-07-24 12:32:00 AM

Circusdog320: I'm changing my middle name to Clusterbox...it just sounds farkin' cool! John "Clusterbox" Smith....Fred "Clusterbox" Ortega...Danny "Clusterbox" Gambino


Circusdog "Clusterbox" 320 has a nice ring to it as well.
 
2013-07-24 12:32:02 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Aarontology: I AM A VENGEFUL AND CONFUSING GOD.

Jesus farking christ... elect a man king and he get's all "I am GOD!" in a matter of hours.

Also... You should try the country life before you get all judgy. It's pretty awesome. This used to be my backyard:
[farm4.staticflickr.com image 320x240]


Glad your receiving free welfare farm subsidies I think reading you over a while Mojo would kick you in the face
 
2013-07-24 12:32:07 AM

Helmsly: Exactly! It was hard enough feeding my family on unemployment checks 5 years ago.. It was even harder when the mail thief would make his monthly rounds and steal my UI checks from the community box.


This is why I'm glad they do direct deposit now.
 
2013-07-24 12:32:34 AM
If only there were trillions of US dollars hidden in tax havens off shore we could tap into that could prevent cuts on basic services.
 
2013-07-24 12:33:11 AM
House GOPers give retards a bad name.
 
2013-07-24 12:33:44 AM
They could always just charge regular postage for all mail, instead of allowing lower rate junk mail.  My mail volume would drop tremendously....they'd have to use the little flag on the box to let me know if there was really something in there.

I'm not against the USPS per se, but technology and the world is changing, and they shouldn't be immune to its effects.  Most mail could go away, and delivery could drop to perhaps once a week.
 
2013-07-24 12:34:12 AM
"We all need to make sacrifices." -Obama

"Clustered mailboxes."

:lib outrage:
 
2013-07-24 12:34:17 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: jpo2269: If the choice is between centralized mailboxes in a subdivision vs. having to get a post office box, I think the centralized mail box would be just fine.  The postal service has to come up with some serious solutions in order to survive; this proposal doesn't seem to be draconian at all....

The choice isn't between that though. The choice is between paying current post office worker salaries and pensions as they come in, and paying up front for nearly eight decades worth of employee costs up front every time a new person is hired. Each time you lick a stamp you're paying for the health care costs of a current postal service employee to be able to get a checkup fifty years from now. If it sounds insane, it's because Republicans desperately want to destroy the USPS for whatever reason, and it is a law that they be able to cover with today's revenues the eventuality of every employee they currently employ, and any others they hire in the future.

The postal service would be fine had Congress not attached a shackle to its balls and told it to make do.


No, not true, that's a lie.  A lie and a liberal talking point.  Even without the pension payment, which the USPS hasn't made since August of last year, they are still losing money.  They are still losing money.  They cannot cover their obligations.

So get off the liar train and do some research.

Of course, if liberals like you were left alone to handle finances, then we'd end up with Detroit.
 
2013-07-24 12:34:33 AM
Clusterboxes can work in cities and towns and rural ares with a reasonable number of people living in close proximity to each but that's not always the case.   Also Clusterboxes are fail when it comes to getting a package in the mail.
 
2013-07-24 12:35:31 AM
Here are 2 idea's. Congress voids the language in the contracts that say no layoffs so the USPS can cut the staffing they need to.  Charge bulk mailers and advertisers higher rates, these are typically below advertised rates and negotiated. Also stop selling names to advertisers.

If you want to go extreme then cut residential to 3 day delivery. But no change means anything unless the USPS can layoff which they can't due because of union contracts.


Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The postal service would be fine had Congress not attached a shackle to its balls and told it to make do.


You should check your figures as the USPS is losing more than the prefund (15.9B vs 11.1B).
 
2013-07-24 12:35:48 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


Yep. There were cluster mailboxes at the last apartment complex we lived at and there are cluster mailboxes at the apartment complex we currently live at.

It would be rare to find an apartment complex in my area that didn't have cluster mailboxes.
 
2013-07-24 12:35:54 AM
So they go to clusterfark boxes for all mail delivery; this means they're probably going to fire a lot of carriers that will suddenly become redundant since they won't need as many carriers to just drive from cluster to cluster. I wonder if retiring the LLV is part of this so they don't need a fleet of right hand drive vehicles and can just drive the minivans around to the clusters instead.
 
2013-07-24 12:36:58 AM

Nuclear Monk: They could always just charge regular postage for all mail, instead of allowing lower rate junk mail.  My mail volume would drop tremendously....they'd have to use the little flag on the box to let me know if there was really something in there.

I'm not against the USPS per se, but technology and the world is changing, and they shouldn't be immune to its effects.  Most mail could go away, and delivery could drop to perhaps once a week.


Yeah, I probably get something of value maybe once every couple weeks. The rest of the time, it's just junk that immediately gets chucked into the recycle bin.
 
2013-07-24 12:37:33 AM

2xhelix: vossiewulf: Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.

Especially the growing number of senior citizens that are too chicken shiat to walk down icy sidewalks in winter, just because they're afraid of breaking a stupid hip.


that's cold
 
2013-07-24 12:37:37 AM
1969:  let's put a man on the moon.  The farkin' moon.
2013:  let's stop delivering mail to houses because it's too hard.

Conservatism is supposed to be about reduced spending and smaller government.  At what point did it become infected with full-blown "I quit" defeatism?  Forget big accomplishments like energy independence and peace in the Middle East; we have to deal with politicians who want to shut down the mail because the basic infrastructure of civilization is unsustainable.

Maybe we should just ban this one generation from holding public office, and run everything with a computer until Gen-Xers can be bothered to step in and manage things.
 
2013-07-24 12:37:56 AM
there's a voter suppression, voter fraud, benghazi or obamacare angle to this somewhere...
 
2013-07-24 12:38:38 AM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.

If I had to walk down the street for my mail I would no longer get mail. Currently, for me, the postal service is primarily an advertising service that offers a few non-advertising services as well. The overwhelming majority of what I receive in the mail is simply ads. So there's just no reason for me to do anything more out of the way then the end of my driveway.


Keep in mind, the republicans would have you believe the USPS is taxpayer funded as well.
 
2013-07-24 12:39:21 AM
If the democrats want publicly subsidized buggy-whips / snail mail - let them pay for it. Just make them pay for it with extra tax - then you'll see how much they care about these issues.
 
2013-07-24 12:40:00 AM

themindiswatching: My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.


Yep, there are pacel mailboxes at my apartment complex too. On the rare occasion that a package is too large to fit the carrier will leave the package at the complex's office and the onsite manager will phone you to come down and pick it up.
 
2013-07-24 12:41:49 AM

MutantMotherMouse: I don't know why they don't quit charging for PO boxes. Assign one to everyone in their zone. No need for delivery clerks. Saves massive amounts on gas, insurance, vehicle upkeep, etc. The amount of money the post office has paid my mother-in-law alone in worker's comp for the multiple times her delivery jeep has been plowed down, they could build another post office just for her delivery route.


One postal jeep drives a say, 60-mile circuit at say 15 mpg - 4 gallons, at say, $4/gallon - $16/day

30 (or 60, or 200, I'm guessing) citizens drive on average 10 miles round trip at say 15 mpg (but they drive pickups so it's 10mpg really, but anyway) - $80/day
 
2013-07-24 12:41:56 AM

Nadie_AZ: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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What, not everyone lives in NYC or nearby?


NYC population:  8.3 million+
Flyover states population:  Three rednecks and a cow
 
2013-07-24 12:42:05 AM
Oh boy, more opportunities for them to give my packages to my neighbors, who don't make sure they get to the right person. Nevermind that my name is inside the box, matches the package, and the apartment number is on there, sometimes twice! And losing my outgoing Netflix discs. Thanks, mailman.
 
2013-07-24 12:42:16 AM
We called them "post offices" and we had them everywhere but for some reason they were considered too expensive.
3/4 of the mailing addresses in the US have boxes paid for by the resident at the location.  Does congress even have a clue how much cluster boxes cost to replace?
 
2013-07-24 12:43:01 AM
Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?

If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.
 
2013-07-24 12:43:13 AM
I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.

I used to advertize through the post office, and it is an expensive, miserable, unprofessional system every time. Until the post office is run like a business, and not a government bureaucracy, I'm not wasting another dollar on them.
 
2013-07-24 12:43:33 AM

WhoopAssWayne: If the democrats want publicly subsidized buggy-whips / snail mail - let them pay for it. Just make them pay for it with extra tax - then you'll see how much they care about these issues.


You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

I mean, you are aware of that, right?  You're not just spouting uninformed lies and bullshiat on the internets... right?
 
2013-07-24 12:43:40 AM

grimlock1972: Also Clusterboxes are fail when it comes to getting a package in the mail.


No they aren't.  There are a few large boxes in the cluster for packages.  The large size boxes have a communal key.  When you get a package, the carries places that key (to the large box) in your individual box, so only you can open it.  I realize you don't get this because you have somehow never seen it.  But it works just fine.  I've used cluster boxes for decades, and I have no problem receiving large packages in the mail.
 
2013-07-24 12:45:19 AM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


You like strangers reading your mail?
 
2013-07-24 12:45:53 AM
This is easy enough.  tell them you will not deliver to the door.  Customers must get a mailbox at the street.
Since it is ~100 more to deliver to houses vs a box, then each street can vote themselves a box at the corner.   Pick a property with an easement in a convenient location.

If they want mail to their property, then the whole block pays 10 bux a month each.

now, look at all that nice new revenue coming in....  Use it to lay off every worker making more than 35k.
Now hire a bunch of unemployed 25 year old Liberal Arts graduates for 30k a year.
 
2013-07-24 12:46:03 AM

prjindigo: We called them "post offices" and we had them everywhere but for some reason they were considered too expensive.
3/4 of the mailing addresses in the US have boxes paid for by the resident at the location.  Does congress even have a clue how much cluster boxes cost to replace?


Pocket change. Cluster boxes are cheap, delivery is expensive. A mail carrier with vehicle can spend an entire day delivering to one development.
 
2013-07-24 12:46:52 AM
The cluster boxes suck but I have to wonder if submitter got this story from the 1960s or 1970s.  I am in my mid 40s and aside from my childhood homes I have never owned/lived in a house with its own mailbox.  Here in CA they are rare in anything built later than the 1970s.  Even the first home I owned, a condo built in 1969 had the dreaded cluster boxes.  In my opinion they do suck and are a sign of creeping socialism, which now even the republicans apparently support, but its hard to get that worked up about them when they have been around for 30+ years and already outnumber individual mailboxes.
 
2013-07-24 12:47:53 AM
I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.  The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.

On the flip side the average postal workers pension is very high, I have a buddy who is retiring at 55 and is going to get 70k a year, and he makes around 100 now.  I would live to walk around town all day for that kind of money.

And all that junk mail, keeps the cost of the regular mail down.
 
2013-07-24 12:48:04 AM

vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.


I lean pretty left but this is a pretty weak ass argument. We have these everywhere where I live, it is a pretty good idea to cut costs.
 
2013-07-24 12:49:22 AM

Ima4nic8or: The cluster boxes suck but I have to wonder if submitter got this story from the 1960s or 1970s.  I am in my mid 40s and aside from my childhood homes I have never owned/lived in a house with its own mailbox.  Here in CA they are rare in anything built later than the 1970s.  Even the first home I owned, a condo built in 1969 had the dreaded cluster boxes.  In my opinion they do suck and are a sign of creeping socialism, which now even the republicans apparently support, but its hard to get that worked up about them when they have been around for 30+ years and already outnumber individual mailboxes.


How exactly do they "suck" and wtf do they have to do with "socialism"?
 
2013-07-24 12:50:05 AM
This is a piece of cake.

split up each post office into cells.  Allow private companies, mostly sole proprietorships, to bid on routes.
Much like Fed ex home delivery.

This is actually income to the post office.  Now, every delivery route has a vested interest in getting mail out
timely.  There are plenty of these basically already set up.  Rural route drivers.  These guys use their own cars TODAY to deliver.
 
2013-07-24 12:50:21 AM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


The NSA loves that you like this service.
 
2013-07-24 12:51:24 AM
Already done in a lot of newer suburban developments.
 
2013-07-24 12:51:29 AM
tripleseven:

You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

I mean, you are aware of that, right?  You're not just spouting uninformed lies and bullshiat on the internets... right?


The post office goes billions of dollars in debt a year, limping along on tax payer money, because it is so fantastically expensive and wasteful the cost of postage doesn't come close to paying for it's service.

In case you were completely unaware of why we are having this entire conversation in the first place.
 
2013-07-24 12:51:55 AM
And yet Democrats are insistent nobody has their own home, or own car, or own land....


Hippiecrits. Come on guys, seriously?
 
2013-07-24 12:53:50 AM

Dwindle: tripleseven:

You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

I mean, you are aware of that, right?  You're not just spouting uninformed lies and bullshiat on the internets... right?

The post office goes billions of dollars in debt a year, limping along on tax payer money, because it is so fantastically expensive and wasteful the cost of postage doesn't come close to paying for it's service.

In case you were completely unaware of why we are having this entire conversation in the first place.


You're confusing a loan with a subsidy.
 
2013-07-24 12:54:02 AM

Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office


Same here, since the Post Office is infinitely more Constitutional than the Air Force or a standing army in peacetime or God.or marriage.

One can only marvel and wonder and puzzle that Republicans, staunch and passionate defenders of the holy Framers' Original Intent, don't outshine them with their own zeal.
 
2013-07-24 12:55:30 AM

Barfmaker: 2xhelix: Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?

Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.

I suspect you're being purposely obtuse in missing my point however to play your game, if someone is game enough to bring a meal to these shut-ins, don't you think they'd pop across the street to check the mail once in a while?

Or wouldn't their son/daughter who visits once a week/two weeks do it?

Because if nobody will do that for them and they can't do it themselves, then would they even be living in their homes alone in the first place? Who clears their walkway?

We're speaking of senior citizens here, not cripples or invalids (regardless of age). My friends who are both 73 are leaving for another trip to Europe in another week. They golf regularly when they're not travelling. They are, in my experience, normal for their age.

Maybe elderly Canadians are much different from the elderly in your country but, while we have invalids here of every age, being a senior citizen doesn't seem to be a debilitating condition on its own.

We also have Meals On Wheels and in many cases centralized mailboxes and our society hasn't crumbled. Noticeably.


It sounds like you have very limited experience with the elderly. Some labour under dementia and cannot leave their home well even though they are able bodied. One poor man I saw helped into assisted living ate only beans in his house for 6 months. He was all alone after his wife of 72 years died. He outlived all of his family and friends.
 
2013-07-24 12:56:19 AM

theflatline: The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.


Don't add any context, or anything.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:08 AM

efgeise: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


This would fantastic if

A. they could simply get the mail forwarded to them instead of taking it from my mailbox
B. there was the option to just have them scan the mail, not open it.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:10 AM
I'd love to have a cluster mailbox.  I had one at the townhouse and never had an issue with it, threw away junk mail in the send slot, and had a key for the package delivery box, they'd put it on my doorstep occasionally.

If I had it in my current neighborhood I'd be ecstatic, I could get rid of the ugly ass mailbox in front of my house, and I wouldn't have to look at my neighbors rusted shiat heap either.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:24 AM

jst3p: Ima4nic8or: The cluster boxes suck but I have to wonder if submitter got this story from the 1960s or 1970s.  I am in my mid 40s and aside from my childhood homes I have never owned/lived in a house with its own mailbox.  Here in CA they are rare in anything built later than the 1970s.  Even the first home I owned, a condo built in 1969 had the dreaded cluster boxes.  In my opinion they do suck and are a sign of creeping socialism, which now even the republicans apparently support, but its hard to get that worked up about them when they have been around for 30+ years and already outnumber individual mailboxes.

How exactly do they "suck" and wtf do they have to do with "socialism"?


They suck in that they show a distinct move away from customer service.  They are cutting service but guess what? My taxes and postage rates will not be going down one bit.  So I am getting less service for the same high rates. If that doesn't suck I don't know what does.  Not to mention they sort of force you to go out and likely run into some damn talkative or nosey neighbor.

The link to socialism should be clear enough.  They are an example of trying to force folks into sharing "communal" resources rather than letting them own things themselves.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:29 AM

poot_rootbeer: At my apartment complex, if you get a package the mail carrier just takes it back to the station and lies to this supervisor about having made a delivery attempt and left a notice for you. Then on Saturday morning you wait in line with 30 other people the same thing happened to.


When I was in an apt. the manager collected the packages and left a VM. I loved it.
 
2013-07-24 12:57:35 AM
Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."
 
2013-07-24 12:59:27 AM

Bung_Howdy: vossiewulf: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Fark those invalids anyway for making the bad choice to be disabled.

and fark anybody that believes things should ever remain as they are or were


For the service it provides the USPS doesn't cost that much, and if not for the fact that the Republicans have legislated that it be run inefficiently, it wouldn't be "in the hole" to begin with. Measures like this might save on gas, but converting the whole fleet to newer, hybrid vehicles would save far more and without all the associated hassles. Like nearly everything the Rs come up with, this is stupid policy. Understanding ought to dictate policy, and policy change; not the reverse.
 
2013-07-24 12:59:31 AM
Fecal Conservative:

It sounds like you have very limited experience with the elderly. Some labour under dementia and cannot leave their home well even though they are able bodied. One poor man I saw helped into assisted living ate only beans in his house for 6 months. He was all alone after his wife of 72 years died. He outlived all of his family and friends.

And you think the location of the mailbox is relevant to someone in this condition? He should obviously be having someone care for him or put him somewhere he can be cared for, where his mail will be tended to for him.
 
2013-07-24 12:59:59 AM

tripleseven: You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?


Yes, 100% - they are on the verge of asking for a huge tax-payer funded bailout - a cash giveaway. And also, if you want to argue that Congress should give them more leeway in running their 'business' I'm all for it. Because at the end of the day it won't mater - not one dime of tax-payer money - government bureaucrats will destroy it no matter what..
 
2013-07-24 01:00:02 AM

BuckTurgidson: Same here, since the Post Office is infinitely more Constitutional than the Air Force or a standing army in peacetime or God.or marriage.


They didn't have high capacity motorized vehicles when the Constitution was written, mail should only be delivered by horse.
 
2013-07-24 01:00:16 AM
welcome to west yellowstone, montana where every one of us has a p.o. box.
/not a big deal
//political parties suck
///slashies
 
2013-07-24 01:01:01 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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Yeah... that would totally never happen in rural areas. Never..

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Yeah, those totally didn't work. You had to drive a quarter-mile to get your mail. Or send the kids on their bikes, and we can't be having that nowadays.
 
2013-07-24 01:02:04 AM
If there's one thing you can count on, it's the GOP finding new and creative ways to piss people off and further alienate themselves.

I am completely opposed to cluster delivery.  I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

If the USPS is running in the red, raise the price of damn stamps already.  Make them $1 a piece, make them $2 a piece, raise the rates on bulk and commercial mailers (oh, careful now GOP, you might piss off your corporate overlords there, even though the net result would benefit the general public with less junk mail, but let's be frank, you don't give a damn about the bulk of society anyway do you, nah, it's all about those CEOs who give you those big checks and that sweet, sweet, mouthlove).

The only things I mail are the checks to my lawn guy and occasional documents to my mortgage-holder and home insurance company.  Make stamps $3 each and I still won't care that much, but try to make me have to go to the entrance of the neighborhood just to mail one of those things or get my daily mail, there will be blood.
 
2013-07-24 01:02:57 AM

Yogimus: AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

wait... which party has been in power for all of this?


Neither.
 
2013-07-24 01:03:03 AM

Somacandra: This will make it more difficult for old and obese people on hoverrounds. Therefore it will not pass, even though it would help kill the USPS just that much more.


Can't really kill the USPS.
 
2013-07-24 01:03:26 AM

Nuclear Monk: They could always just charge regular postage for all mail, instead of allowing lower rate junk mail.  My mail volume would drop tremendously....they'd have to use the little flag on the box to let me know if there was really something in there.

I'm not against the USPS per se, but technology and the world is changing, and they shouldn't be immune to its effects.  Most mail could go away, and delivery could drop to perhaps once a week.


The little flag is for outgoing. You may not get mail everyday but it lets the post person know there is outgoing.  Flag down is a crap shoot.
 
2013-07-24 01:03:27 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."


And what about the billions of dollars in debt the system generates every year? Are we just supposed to ignore major problems in this country because it inconveniences one tiny group of people?

Instead of seeing how political parties can manipulate this problem for their own needs, how about solving one of
America's problems for once.
 
2013-07-24 01:05:00 AM
90% of paper mail is completely useless to begin with.
What is this, the 80's?
 
2013-07-24 01:05:11 AM

SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.


We certainly don't live in a police state, but we do live in a state where the police have an awful lot of leeway in what they can do, and only rarely face serious punishments for it, which is worrisome on its own.

That doesn't make any of the stuff conspiracists rant about any less bonkers, of course.
 
2013-07-24 01:05:22 AM

albatros183: NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.

Rush warned us years ago.


Rush also wanted all druggies to go to prison and do hard time... until he got caught being one of those druggies. I wouldn't put too much stock into what Rush says or does.

Mailboxes are all curbside and on the same side of the street where I live. Sticking them all at the end of the block wouldn't be such a big deal. Initial cost would probably exceed the savings for the first few years, but it would save time and gas in the long run.

/all that Red Plumb and Savings Safari crap is so wasteful
 
2013-07-24 01:05:56 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."


Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.  As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.
 
2013-07-24 01:06:07 AM

USP .45: BuckTurgidson: Same here, since the Post Office is infinitely more Constitutional than the Air Force or a standing army in peacetime or God.or marriage.

They didn't have high capacity motorized vehicles when the Constitution was written, mail should only be delivered by horse.


Of course, of course.
 
2013-07-24 01:06:40 AM

Fecal Conservative: Barfmaker: 2xhelix: Barfmaker: Do you really think that senior citizens stay holed up all winter never leaving their houses?

Many sadly do or only go out when they have someone to drive them somewhere.  Just ask anyone who volunteers with Meals On Wheels.

I suspect you're being purposely obtuse in missing my point however to play your game, if someone is game enough to bring a meal to these shut-ins, don't you think they'd pop across the street to check the mail once in a while?

Or wouldn't their son/daughter who visits once a week/two weeks do it?

Because if nobody will do that for them and they can't do it themselves, then would they even be living in their homes alone in the first place? Who clears their walkway?

We're speaking of senior citizens here, not cripples or invalids (regardless of age). My friends who are both 73 are leaving for another trip to Europe in another week. They golf regularly when they're not travelling. They are, in my experience, normal for their age.

Maybe elderly Canadians are much different from the elderly in your country but, while we have invalids here of every age, being a senior citizen doesn't seem to be a debilitating condition on its own.

We also have Meals On Wheels and in many cases centralized mailboxes and our society hasn't crumbled. Noticeably.

It sounds like you have very limited experience with the elderly. Some labour under dementia and cannot leave their home well even though they are able bodied. One poor man I saw helped into assisted living ate only beans in his house for 6 months. He was all alone after his wife of 72 years died. He outlived all of his family and friends.


Don't you realize that Canadians are the all wise and powerful beings that are truly masters of the universe?   There is no dementia, parkinsons, or disease that befall the Canadian elderly.  There diet of poutine and daily curling matches allow them to not go gently into that good night.

CSB time.  Last sunday I was in Bogota, Colombia seating a brew pub with an English man, three swiss guys, 1 Colombian girl, and my Colombian ass.

This girl comes over to our table and starts speaking to the english fellow in very poor spanish and he answers her back in good spanish, albeit with his english accent.  She turns to her friends and says in English"I am having a hard time understanding Colombians and their horrible spanish."  My English friend who looks like your typical englishman says "you silly twat, I am farking english".  And then I let her know that Colombian spanish is one of the  purest forms in Latin America. She was from Quebec, but my experience with Canadians in the US, is much better than the ones who ones you meet outside the country.
 
2013-07-24 01:06:46 AM

WhoopAssWayne: tripleseven: You are aware that the USPS is funded by postage fees, and not tax, right?

Yes, 100% - they are on the verge of asking for a huge tax-payer funded bailout - a cash giveaway. And also, if you want to argue that Congress should give them more leeway in running their 'business' I'm all for it. Because at the end of the day it won't mater - not one dime of tax-payer money - government bureaucrats will destroy it no matter what..


The post office hasn't run a single year without taxpayer money in three decades, and never will again. If they were self supporting it wouldn't come down to this.
 
2013-07-24 01:11:32 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.


So you want special treatment because you own a house, and you don't care how much the stamps cost, but then you attack Republicans for catering to the rich. Seems legit.
 
2013-07-24 01:11:34 AM

Lsherm: Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."

Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.  As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.


The big difference being, the US can never run out of money.  Treasury bonds are still considered one of the absolute safest investments possible, the USD is still the global reserve currency, and if it comes to it, we just print more.

If anything the government should be spending more.  Krugman (who has been proved right time after time) even says the way to prosperity is through government spending.  The more we spend, the faster the economy grows, the greater the GDP becomes, and the less a percentage of the GDP the debt becomes.  Don't be afraid of spending - spending is what drives the world.
 
2013-07-24 01:11:34 AM
Subby is right. I think we can all agree that there is no need to worry about the status of the post office. They are as strong financially than ever and there is no risk that they will go bankrupt or bailed out at the expense of the taxpayers.

Oh wait - even he lib rag huffington puffingto post would disagree with me:
 
2013-07-24 01:11:38 AM
Given that this is very common already (especially in apartments and rural areas) I don't really see any problem with making it the default arrangement to lower costs a bit in the areas where it's viable but not already in place, like suburban neighborhoods.
 
2013-07-24 01:11:42 AM

Xcott: At what point did it become infected with full-blown "I quit" defeatism?


Moving from buggy whips to something else is defeatism?
 
2013-07-24 01:11:47 AM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.

If I had to walk down the street for my mail I would no longer get mail. Currently, for me, the postal service is primarily an advertising service that offers a few non-advertising services as well. The overwhelming majority of what I receive in the mail is simply ads. So there's just no reason for me to do anything more out of the way then the end of my driveway.


So what you're saying is that we could save a fortune not delivering to people like you, and that we'd be stupid to keep doing it. Glad you're on board.
 
2013-07-24 01:13:23 AM

Nutsac_Jim: If trayvon martin had his skittles and watermellon juice mailed to him, he would be alive today.


Not if he were checking the mail that night.
 
2013-07-24 01:13:38 AM

theflatline: I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.   The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.


Not quite. The difference between the USPS and FedEx and UPS is that the USPS MUST deliver to every address anywhere in the United States and its Territories. You want to send a letter to some yahoo living out in east bumfark Montana, just past where the dirt road ends? The post office HAS to deliver there. UPS and FedEx will laugh in your face.

Since the USPS has to maintain capability (and that costs money) in places that rarely get business, they could NEVER be competitive, on the whole.
 
2013-07-24 01:15:12 AM
What you don't want is one of these clusterf&uck boxes in front of your own house.

/trust me on this one
 
2013-07-24 01:15:32 AM

USP .45: TuteTibiImperes: I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

So you want special treatment because you own a house, and you don't care how much the stamps cost, but then you attack Republicans for catering to the rich. Seems legit.


One of the definitions of middle class should be being able to own a house, that doesn't make you rich.  Also, willing to spend $1, $2, or $3 on a stamp for convenience doesn't make one rich either - we're not talking about a lot of money, and most people don't physically mail things very often anyway.  Even at $3 a stamp my total postage bill would cost less than filling my car with gas one time.
 
2013-07-24 01:16:41 AM

TuteTibiImperes: USP .45: TuteTibiImperes: I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

So you want special treatment because you own a house, and you don't care how much the stamps cost, but then you attack Republicans for catering to the rich. Seems legit.

One of the definitions of middle class should be being able to own a house, that doesn't make you rich.  Also, willing to spend $1, $2, or $3 on a stamp for convenience doesn't make one rich either - we're not talking about a lot of money, and most people don't physically mail things very often anyway.  Even at $3 a stamp my total postage bill would cost less than filling my car with gas one time.


Meant to say total yearly postage expenses.
 
2013-07-24 01:20:26 AM
I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.
 
2013-07-24 01:20:50 AM
so who wants to add to the $90 bil we've already wasted on "aid" to Afghanistan?
we might be able to afford it if we just cut more services (and jobs).
 
2013-07-24 01:21:36 AM

ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.


That is where most of their money comes from.
And yes, they already tried making cheaper, more plentiful junk mail for extra revenue.
 
2013-07-24 01:24:17 AM

Sgygus: What you don't want is one of these clusterf&uck boxes in front of your own house.

/trust me on this one


Yup.  Nothing like lazy asshats leaving their collective junk mail on or around the boxes.
 
2013-07-24 01:24:25 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."

Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.  As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.

The big difference being, the US can never run out of money.  Treasury bonds are still considered one of the absolute safest investments possible, the USD is still the global reserve currency, and if it comes to it, we just print more.

If anything the government should be spending more.  Krugman (who has been proved right time after time) even says the way to prosperity is through government spending.  The more we spend, the faster the economy grows, the greater the GDP becomes, and the less a percentage of the GDP the debt becomes.  Don't be afraid of spending - spending is what drives the world.


Yeah, all that worked out for Greece.

Krugman wasn't right about Greece.  Or Detroit.
 
2013-07-24 01:25:44 AM

vygramul: theflatline: I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.   The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.

Not quite. The difference between the USPS and FedEx and UPS is that the USPS MUST deliver to every address anywhere in the United States and its Territories. You want to send a letter to some yahoo living out in east bumfark Montana, just past where the dirt road ends? The post office HAS to deliver there. UPS and FedEx will laugh in your face.

Since the USPS has to maintain capability (and that costs money) in places that rarely get business, they could NEVER be competitive, on the whole.


No, there are millions of homes too remote to have mail delivery. They all have to drive to the post office, even if it is 25 miles away, just like they have to drive to the UPS store to pick up packages outside of their delivery range.
 
2013-07-24 01:25:49 AM

Sgygus: What you don't want is one of these clusterf&uck boxes in front of your own house.

/trust me on this one


When I lived in a townhouse development, they were located on street corners not in front of anyone's door. That's a good design.
 
2013-07-24 01:26:09 AM
TuteTibiImperes:  I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

ahahahahahaha
 
2013-07-24 01:28:23 AM
vygramul:You want to send a letter to some yahoo living out in east bumfark Montana, just past where the dirt road ends? The post office HAS to deliver there. UPS and FedEx will laugh in your face.

No one in my entire town of Delaware Water Gap, Pa. has ever has mail delivered to their home.
 
2013-07-24 01:29:59 AM
optikeye

Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research
Neil D tyson wants a word with you
Not that the facts will stop your derp.
 
2013-07-24 01:30:06 AM
I live in the sticks, 18 miles from the nearest convenience store.  People drive a mile or two to the cluster boxes, which are at the intersection of two "major" roads.  Everyone's used to stopping to pick up or drop off mail.

Farking city pussies.
 
2013-07-24 01:31:12 AM

Dwindle: vygramul: theflatline: I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.   The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.

Not quite. The difference between the USPS and FedEx and UPS is that the USPS MUST deliver to every address anywhere in the United States and its Territories. You want to send a letter to some yahoo living out in east bumfark Montana, just past where the dirt road ends? The post office HAS to deliver there. UPS and FedEx will laugh in your face.

Since the USPS has to maintain capability (and that costs money) in places that rarely get business, they could NEVER be competitive, on the whole.

No, there are millions of homes too remote to have mail delivery. They all have to drive to the post office, even if it is 25 miles away, just like they have to drive to the UPS store to pick up packages outside of their delivery range.


I may have exaggerated, but the truth is that there are Post Offices in places UPS wouldn't ever dream of delivering. There are postal routes that are over 180 miles a day that only cover some 250 or so mailboxes.
 
2013-07-24 01:33:19 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Xcott: At what point did it become infected with full-blown "I quit" defeatism?

Moving from buggy whips to something else is defeatism?


This is a reduction is service and convenience, it's moving from cars to buggy whips.  It is not an improvement.
 
2013-07-24 01:35:35 AM
look at the DoD budget for 2014...it doesnt matter what any other branch of goverment does until we audit and control the defense spending
 
2013-07-24 01:35:44 AM
Farking so-called Republicans, we need to throw their asses out of Congress in the mid-term elections and stop this attack on the Postal Service, totally sponsored by the private package companies. It's a farking disgrace.
 
2013-07-24 01:37:10 AM

BarkingUnicorn: I live in the sticks, 18 miles from the nearest convenience store.  People drive a mile or two to the cluster boxes, which are at the intersection of two "major" roads.  Everyone's used to stopping to pick up or drop off mail.

Farking city pussies.


lol
 
2013-07-24 01:38:10 AM

tbhouston: look at the DoD budget for 2014...it doesnt matter what any other branch of goverment does until we audit and control the defense spending


If you're expecting an audit will save a significant amount of money, you're going to be disappointed. In fact, a huge amount of the admin overhead is all the controls put in place because of all the hand-wringing over it. It's true, though, that we cannot afford our defense posture.
 
2013-07-24 01:38:54 AM

ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.


Dear god this.

I rely heavily on the actual mail at work--legal notice is an area that depends a great deal on the US mail--but holy crap, the amount of garbage that goes along with the necessary stuff is insane. Do we really need to get a sheaf of glossy 4-color ads at a law office or realtor's office every week? It goes straight into the trash. There should be a way to clean that dreck out of the mail and still keep things moving along.
 
2013-07-24 01:40:00 AM
i have to get my mail from such boxes.
and if i get a large package, i have to get that from another bigger box near my regular box.
omg

but then i live in a marina, and we don't like common folk coming to the door and rousing the pups.
 
2013-07-24 01:41:39 AM

Lsherm: TuteTibiImperes: Lsherm: Satanic_Hamster: Right wing troll accounts:
Listen.  I know you guys are trolls and love "pissing off the libs" and arguing against anything "a lib" is in favor of.

But please, look at this from a matter of helping the conservative / Republican party.  Do you realize how batshiat crazy pissed off this type of proposal will make old people?  Old people, who are a fairly core and reliable Republican voting block?

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and moderates:
Just let the Republicans run with this.  It won't make it past the Senate and it will give all the Democrats next election the ability to run on a platform of "Republicans want to stop the elderly from getting mail delivery at home and we're the only thing protecting it."

Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.  As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.

The big difference being, the US can never run out of money.  Treasury bonds are still considered one of the absolute safest investments possible, the USD is still the global reserve currency, and if it comes to it, we just print more.

If anything the government should be spending more.  Krugman (who has been proved right time after time) even says the way to prosperity is through government spending.  The more we spend, the faster the economy grows, the greater the GDP becomes, and the less a percentage of the GDP the debt becomes.  Don't be afraid of spending - spending is what drives the world.

Yeah, all that worked out for Greece.

Krugman wasn't right about Greece.  Or Detroit.


Greece instituted austerity measures, that hardly seems like Krugman's wisdom.  Plus, neither Detroit nor Greece has the resources, borrowing power, or ability to create currency like the US.
 
2013-07-24 01:41:59 AM

Any Pie Left: Farking so-called Republicans, we need to throw their asses out of Congress in the mid-term elections and stop this attack on the Postal Service, totally sponsored by the private package companies. It's a farking disgrace.


I know right! I totally hate it when UPS and Fedex let me know what is going to arrive before it even arrives. They're using this crazy QR and barcode illuminati shiat. I totally want to walk to my mailbox in 80% humidity to find nothing but a Domino's advertisement. It's in the Constitution!
 
2013-07-24 01:43:34 AM

Gyrfalcon: ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.

Dear god this.

I rely heavily on the actual mail at work--legal notice is an area that depends a great deal on the US mail--but holy crap, the amount of garbage that goes along with the necessary stuff is insane. Do we really need to get a sheaf of glossy 4-color ads at a law office or realtor's office every week? It goes straight into the trash. There should be a way to clean that dreck out of the mail and still keep things moving along.


jebus!
i've been getting this big glossy fios advert in the mail for years.
i got it before they could even offer it where i live.
i got so pissed off, i wouldn't let them run it into my place when they came (finally).
now i moved, and i was so peeved at cable, i actually got fios,

and i still get those f*cking ads.
 
2013-07-24 01:43:51 AM

Lsherm: Liberals:  keep pretending money grows on trees.


graphics8.nytimes.com

The word you are looking for is "conservatives". Conservatives.
 
2013-07-24 01:44:00 AM

USP .45: Any Pie Left: Farking so-called Republicans, we need to throw their asses out of Congress in the mid-term elections and stop this attack on the Postal Service, totally sponsored by the private package companies. It's a farking disgrace.

I know right! I totally hate it when UPS and Fedex let me know what is going to arrive before it even arrives. They're using this crazy QR and barcode illuminati shiat. I totally want to walk to my mailbox in 80% humidity to find nothing but a Domino's advertisement. It's in the Constitution!


So long as UPS sends people postcards saying they can't find their addresses, the USPS needs to remain in business.
 
2013-07-24 01:45:05 AM

TuteTibiImperes: ability to create currency like the US


That's not really something anyone suggests we should do. And Greece has the exact same ability we do.
 
2013-07-24 01:48:32 AM
Will the GOP take turns trying to name these USPS cluster boxes like they did post offices?
 
2013-07-24 01:48:49 AM

USP .45: Any Pie Left: Farking so-called Republicans, we need to throw their asses out of Congress in the mid-term elections and stop this attack on the Postal Service, totally sponsored by the private package companies. It's a farking disgrace.

I know right! I totally hate it when UPS and Fedex let me know what is going to arrive before it even arrives. They're using this crazy QR and barcode illuminati shiat. I totally want to walk to my mailbox in 80% humidity to find nothing but a Domino's advertisement. It's in the Constitution!


The last 5 packages I have had delivered to my house via UPS Ground have used the USPS as the last-mile carrier. In each case, the tracking went from having the packing label created to being handed off to the local USPS office, with no tracking in between or updates on delivery. At least when UPS drags their asses on the hand-off on a Friday, USPS will deliver it Saturday. If it was UPS, unless I paid the premium for Saturday delivery, I wouldn't see my package until Monday.
 
2013-07-24 01:49:29 AM

OhioUGrad: Will the GOP take turns trying to name these USPS cluster boxes like they did post offices?


They will all be named after Ronald Reagan.
 
2013-07-24 01:50:41 AM

vygramul: OhioUGrad: Will the GOP take turns trying to name these USPS cluster boxes like they did post offices?

They will all be named after Ronald Reagan.


Yeah, I get my mail delivered to F**knut Memorial Cluster Box #65949
 
2013-07-24 01:51:02 AM

Dwindle: ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.

That is where most of their money comes from.
And yes, they already tried making cheaper, more plentiful junk mail for extra revenue.


 You do realize that the U.S. Postal Service is  NOT a U.S. government run entity?
It is an Independent organization that is like a regulated monopoly/essential service that
has government oversight. THE USPS does NOT use taxpayer money. It is only funded by
the income it takes in from the sale of stamps and services.

 These people who want to abolish the USPS are MORONS who don't even know how it functions.
 
2013-07-24 01:51:46 AM
We have one of these for our condo.  Works fine and saves the mailperson some time.  She has to carry packages to us if they are too large for the package lockbox, but that's not very common.  Most things that large come by fedex or ups.
 
2013-07-24 01:52:46 AM

vygramul: So long as UPS sends people postcards saying they can't find their addresses, the USPS needs to remain in business.


And the USPS should be able to automate and upload the return address of anything sent so you can see what is en route in the processing center. Letters with no return address are either noted as such or photographically scanned. Commercial mail being routinely sent can be unsubscribed from.

Nah fark it, don't innovate in the slightest.
 
2013-07-24 01:54:11 AM
piggybankblog.com
 
2013-07-24 01:54:29 AM

fuhfuhfuh: If it was UPS, unless I paid the premium for Saturday delivery, I wouldn't see my package until Monday.


How dreadful!
 
2013-07-24 01:55:26 AM
But but efficiency. Efficiency kills jobs.
 
2013-07-24 01:58:05 AM

for the modMIn that greened this :

PIL Disappointed
 
2013-07-24 02:01:59 AM

USP .45: fuhfuhfuh: If it was UPS, unless I paid the premium for Saturday delivery, I wouldn't see my package until Monday.

How dreadful!


Too bad you missed the bigger point that even companies like UPS and FedEx rely on the USPS to keep their costs down. Eliminate USPS, and watch the rates for the other two skyrocket, since they would no longer have a relatively stable backbone to lean on in tough times.
 
2013-07-24 02:08:03 AM

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


Have you not been paying attention at all, throughout at least whatever wars happened within your lifespan?  The military turns the greatest profits of all, just not for the people who pay for it.

/With their money, or their lives.
 
2013-07-24 02:08:13 AM

vygramul: TuteTibiImperes: ability to create currency like the US

That's not really something anyone suggests we should do. And Greece has the exact same ability we do.


Not exactly.  They could create actual Euro notes, but it would be in violation of the terms of EU to do so without authorization.  The US is under no such restrictions to print dollars.

While I agree that further devaluing the dollar against other currencies through dilution isn't ideal for all purposes, it does have the effect of making US exports more attractive.  The weaker the dollar, the cheaper other countries can by our goods, which does indeed help the domestic economy in a way.
 
2013-07-24 02:09:08 AM

vygramul: OhioUGrad: Will the GOP take turns trying to name these USPS cluster boxes like they did post offices?

They will all be named after Ronald Reagan.


Guess that could be appropriate since most people would forget to check their cluster box.
 
2013-07-24 02:11:43 AM

Popular Opinion: TuteTibiImperes:  I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

ahahahahahaha


When you buy a home you take certain things into account to determine the value - how is the neighborhood, are there any annoyances such as major freeways or airports nearby, is there regular trash and recycling pickup, is it on city water and sewer, etc.  Curbside mail delivery would seem to fall into that category.

If that is suddenly removed, I expect there will be no shortage of lawsuits filed against the USPS and/or government due to reduced property values.
 
2013-07-24 02:16:49 AM
some_beer_drinker:  this. everywhere in canada...as far as i know. you lazy fark americans. my old man drives 400 feet to get his mail. talk about lazy.

When I had a superbox two houses ago it was an outstanding reason to go walk my dog instead of let him out in the backyard and be a lazy fark.Sadly, now I can be a lazy fark again because my mailbox is outside my door.
 
2013-07-24 02:19:15 AM
Cluster fark boxes? Sounds like fun.
 
2013-07-24 02:29:29 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: grimlock1972: Also Clusterboxes are fail when it comes to getting a package in the mail.

No they aren't.  There are a few large boxes in the cluster for packages.  The large size boxes have a communal key.  When you get a package, the carries places that key (to the large box) in your individual box, so only you can open it.  I realize you don't get this because you have somehow never seen it.  But it works just fine.  I've used cluster boxes for decades, and I have no problem receiving large packages in the mail.


I have used them , did so for years until recently, the package box or boxes work fine until ther eis a package too big to fit in to it or more packages then boxes.  mind i realize most larger packages come via fed ex or UPS these days but i have gotten some sizeable one in the mail,
 
2013-07-24 02:29:30 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Popular Opinion: TuteTibiImperes:  I own a house, and one of the benefits of that is having mail delivered to my mailbox instead of having to deal with the cluster boxes that I was forced to accept as an apartment dweller.

ahahahahahaha

When you buy a home you take certain things into account to determine the value - how is the neighborhood, are there any annoyances such as major freeways or airports nearby, is there regular trash and recycling pickup, is it on city water and sewer, etc.  Curbside mail delivery would seem to fall into that category.

If that is suddenly removed, I expect there will be no shortage of lawsuits filed against the USPS and/or government due to reduced property values.


i'm not going to get into the possible effects on relative property values...
while i understand your point (about reasons you may choose a single family residence) your sense of entitlement is still funny (imo). if you chose a good neighbor hood, it will be a pleasant stroll amongst like minded professionals when you get the mail.

i am actually against the change, unless the released funds would be spent on children and poor people.
since it will instead be shipped overseas as aid to some corrupt government or agency, and then stolen, lost or wasted, i am completely against any reduction in services until every dollar in foreign aid is accounted for.

as a workaround, we can lobby for afghan contractors to complete the installation of the cluster boxes here.
as long as they never actually get built, you don't have to worry about taking a walk to fetch your mail.
 
2013-07-24 02:31:05 AM
awww yays, never woud get mail again... I barely check it now as it is.. send it somewhere other than my house and it never woud be checked if only for lack of time >^.^<
 
2013-07-24 02:31:08 AM

vygramul: theflatline: I order everything online except food or something I need right away, and I pay for the post office, fed ex, or ups to bring it.   The post office could make profit, just like the other two do, but they government will not let it, they want to piece it off to the private sector.

Not quite. The difference between the USPS and FedEx and UPS is that the USPS MUST deliver to every address anywhere in the United States and its Territories. You want to send a letter to some yahoo living out in east bumfark Montana, just past where the dirt road ends? The post office HAS to deliver there. UPS and FedEx will laugh in your face.

Since the USPS has to maintain capability (and that costs money) in places that rarely get business, they could NEVER be competitive, on the whole.


Which is oddly enough, the same reason why private schools and public schools are not equal and opposite. Public schools have to take everyone, and accommodate special needs, while private schools can pick and choose their student body, and oddly enough, drop those that they think will drop their scores or cause too much trouble. Public schools have to at least make the attempt. The point of public schools is not a profit margin, and comparing them to private schools, that ARE supposed to run at a profit, it's not really an even comparison. It's akin to comparing hospice care and the recovery rates at a children's hospital, or a private clinic.

And that's sort of the point. The government takes on duties that for profit companies can't, or won't take on. Because there's not really a profit in doing so. And how many ideas trickle out of government labs, that eventually find their way to the private sector, but whose basis was in pure science research? The government isn't supposed to operate at a profit, and the comparisons to private firms, who do get to pick and choose their clients, that's neither fair, nor is it even a genuine argument. And yet, these for profit firms are still just annoyed that the government is still, after 225 years of service, that the US postal service is still guaranteed by the Constitution...
 
2013-07-24 02:35:39 AM

TommyymmoT: I live on the corner.
Does this mean I'm going to have 20 mailboxes on my front lawn?


Sgygus: What you don't want is one of these clusterf&uck boxes in front of your own house.

/trust me on this one


In Canada, at least, they are located on public land. Mine is located in a little plaza in a municipal park and has a roof to protect it from the worst of the elements and a small parking area for those unwilling or unable to walk or bicycle over.
 
2013-07-24 02:37:30 AM
I, for one, am fully in favor of getting rid of things the Constitution guarantees, once their intended purpose becomes obsolete.

Like, say, the Second Amendment, which became obsolete when we formed a permanent standing army.
 
2013-07-24 02:40:10 AM
Each and everyday. Reduce or remove services. Outsource your EMS/Fire/LEO to the town down the street.Consolidation. Free market solutions. LOL. It's just a matter of time before, you too, get less for more or nothing at all. Better hope you have reliable internet service. Med Alert. Life Lock. Goldline. CCW. And some mother effin Mountain Houses. The citadel isn't going to build and stock itself. COME ON keepers of Liberty!
 
2013-07-24 02:43:53 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Funny that you would use a picture of a "Supermailbox" to make the point that this is a kerfuffle about nothing.

Back in the 80s when those were introduced in new housing developments, Canadians were in an uproar about the decline in services, how people would have to (gasp!) get out of their homes to get mail etc.

As per the wisdom of <b>Jeff></b>, they got over it.
 
2013-07-24 02:48:03 AM

themindiswatching: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

My condo complex has bigger mailboxes just for packages. The mailman leaves the key for one in your mailbox if you get a package that doesn't fit.

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.

This. If they could politically get away with it they'd grant the monopoly on first class mail to UPS, who will immediately raise stamp prices to $10+ and stop delivering anywhere that has fewer than a couple thousand people.


However, what some people don't realize is that the USPS also delivers packages for UPS and FEDEX too.  Maybe we should stop doing this, because that's subsidizing corporations.  I have gotten to the point where I am having most of my bills sent through email anyway, so except for the crap (which my wife loves) it wouldn't make a big difference to me.
 
2013-07-24 02:56:16 AM
I'm grateful that my small-town route is grandfathered such that my house will continue to have the mail dropped through a front-door slot until someone else moves in. That person will, presumably, have to install a box at the curb.

Good golly, it's handy. Too bad I don't get any gov't checks that need to be safe.

Thank you, Mr. Walking Postman.
 
2013-07-24 02:59:50 AM
most of my junk mail goes into a recycle bin next to the mailboxes, so at least i don't have to deal with it more than a few feet.
 
2013-07-24 03:02:47 AM

Popular Opinion: most of my junk mail goes into a recycle bin next to the mailboxes, so at least i don't have to deal with it more than a few feet.


You get feet mailed to you??? Eeeew.
 
2013-07-24 03:07:07 AM

Gyrfalcon: ReapTheChaos: I would have no problem with this as long as they completely abolish junk mail along with it. That way I could simply go to my box once a month and get the three pieces of actual mail I receive and be done with it.

Dear god this.

I rely heavily on the actual mail at work--legal notice is an area that depends a great deal on the US mail--but holy crap, the amount of garbage that goes along with the necessary stuff is insane. Do we really need to get a sheaf of glossy 4-color ads at a law office or realtor's office every week? It goes straight into the trash. There should be a way to clean that dreck out of the mail and still keep things moving along.


There was a proposal a few years ago to create a do-not-mail list for junkmail. The USPS strenuously objected saying it would go out of business. Junkmail is responsible for nearly all of the USPS's revenue.
 
2013-07-24 03:14:19 AM

Lsherm: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

In all fairness, without a standard mailbox it would be impossible for a mail carrier to tell where to deliver the mail.  I suspect no less than 10 million Americans would create their own mailbox if given the opportunity, and if you don't have standards about what it should look like or how it should be sized, how do you know what a mailbox is?


I can only imagine how that would go down: "This oatmeal canister taped to the wall is my mailbox." "This crucifix is my mailbox, please leave my mail in Jesus' hand." "This recycling bin is my mailbox. Leave all my important mail on top and recycle the rest." Dozens more suggest themselves.
 
2013-07-24 03:14:30 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Popular Opinion: most of my junk mail goes into a recycle bin next to the mailboxes, so at least i don't have to deal with it more than a few feet.

You get feet mailed to you??? Eeeew.


cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2013-07-24 03:16:30 AM
House Republicans 2013-03: Vote against USPS ending Saturday delivery to save money.

House Republicans 2013-07: Propose USPS stop door-to-door delivery to save money, farking over anyone with mobility problems, and inconveniencing a huge percentage of single-family-home owners.

Color me surprised.

/Bring delivery down to 5 days a week, but don't kill Saturday - that's the only chance the M-F/9-5 folks have to receive packages via USPS. Kill Monday delivery instead. (Needs to be 2 days off in a row for simplification and to save additional HR costs.)
 
2013-07-24 03:18:20 AM

highwayrun: Lsherm: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

In all fairness, without a standard mailbox it would be impossible for a mail carrier to tell where to deliver the mail.  I suspect no less than 10 million Americans would create their own mailbox if given the opportunity, and if you don't have standards about what it should look like or how it should be sized, how do you know what a mailbox is?

I can only imagine how that would go down: "This oatmeal canister taped to the wall is my mailbox." "This crucifix is my mailbox, please leave my mail in Jesus' hand." "This recycling bin is my mailbox. Leave all my important mail on top and recycle the rest." Dozens more suggest themselves.


This is my mailbox:

www.eventsct.com
 
2013-07-24 03:18:54 AM
This sounds like a suggestion by someone who makes these Cluster Boxes...
 
m00
2013-07-24 03:24:09 AM
what's asinine is that we are cutting essential services for people for 4.5 billion, meanwhile handing out trillions to banks and corporations.
 
m00
2013-07-24 03:26:51 AM

Goimir: The tipping point at which it becomes a police state is where the average citizen is afraid of the police.


Wait, they aren't?
 
2013-07-24 03:27:44 AM
I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-07-24 03:28:15 AM

m00: what's asinine is that we are cutting essential services for people for 4.5 billion, meanwhile handing out trillions to banks and corporations.


Yeah, but those banks and corporations are necessary. They send out tons of junk mail every year.
 
2013-07-24 03:28:56 AM
Ah, Republican math. Save precisely zero dollars for hundreds of millions, to make them send billions to a half-dozen donors.
 
2013-07-24 03:31:46 AM

HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.


I'll let you two craicers sort that one out on your own.
 
2013-07-24 03:36:40 AM
GOP:

DOD federal jobs program: good
USPS federal jobs program: bad
 
2013-07-24 03:36:47 AM
Am I the only one who's had a billing dispute with a company after going paperless?

Also, this didn't happen to me, but a coworker had his checking account zeroed out several years ago when debit cards were finally expanding out into mom-&-pop underage brothels. His credit union said (a) despite the fact that we are only required to credit you $50 to cover the sudden disappearance of over $20K from your account, we will eat this entire loss and (b) did you catch the part in (a) where we didn't have to do that?

Helpful hint: Fine, go paperless, but pay for everything with credit cards. Then you have better consumer protection and, at a minimum, a line printed on a credit card statement that you can point to and say, "That thing right there is not something I purchased. Fix this, and be gone from my sight."

Other helpful hint: when Paypal makes it almost impossible to have an account without jamming a rusty drain pipe up (your bank account's) butt, they are not doing it because they care about you.

Cluster boxes: Fine, but postal service is actually a fundamental part of a civilized country. Civilization has overhead costs. Pay these costs or GTFO.

// Yes, I read and enjoyed The Postman long before it was made into a bad movie.
 
2013-07-24 03:39:56 AM

Danger Avoid Death: m00: what's asinine is that we are cutting essential services for people for 4.5 billion, meanwhile handing out trillions to banks and corporations.

Yeah, but those banks and corporations are necessary. They send out tons of junk mail every year.


You people just don't understand! This cluster box is property of the World Bank, that money goes to Italy!
 
2013-07-24 03:53:14 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


It was Democrats who ended education in the USA, and replaced it with indoctrination and feel good bullshiat.   I'm guessing you went to all public schools, and found those beyond your intellectual grasp.
 
2013-07-24 03:54:48 AM
So when I sold my last house, which had curbside delivery, we moved to this house which has a clusterbox.
A couple weeks after we left the old place, the realtor called and asked us for the mailbox key.  We never had one, there was no lock on our curbside box.  Turns out, the very week we moved, they transitioned the neighborhood to clusterboxes.
The part I don't really get is, the old house, we built in 1995, and it had curbside. This house was built in 1987, but it has clusterboxes.  But the folks across the street have curbside.  Both old and new neighborhoods are medium density suburban areas.
I know there must be some logic to all this, but it puzzles me.
Box isn't bad for us, its right on our property (probably on an easement, idk). I have never had anyone leave junk laying around out there.  Once in a great while someone will leave out a piece of misdelivered mail instead of delivering to the house themselves like the rest of us.
 
2013-07-24 04:00:12 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


Sure is great for all of those bunched communities.

But what's gonna happen in rural areas? Their post offices are closed, and in their place will be these clusterboxes? Really?  What's the payoff? Not paying the one man who sits in the P.O. all day and the couple of delivery drivers who are only getting part-time pay anyway? How much money does that really save?
 
m00
2013-07-24 04:11:04 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Yeah, but those banks and corporations are necessary. They send out tons of junk mail every year.


I say this as a Libertarian: People who side with banks and corporations (specifically with respect to their relationship with government) in this day an age are either brainwashed, stupid, or evil. Regardless of their ideology, political or otherwise.

Unfortunately our corporate-owned media is very, very good at brainwashing. And we live in a society that has stopped valuing critical thinking and personal honesty.
 
2013-07-24 04:16:18 AM

CraicBaby: HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.

YOU! People always think I'm you and I get really confused when they biatch at me for something and I have no idea what they're talking about.


You dudes should totally fark
 
2013-07-24 04:19:47 AM

TV's Vinnie: I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

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Or combine the two for major savings.  Put Fat Freddy on a Trek and I'll buy 100 sheets...
 
2013-07-24 04:20:56 AM

Gordon Bennett: HighOnCraic: CraicBaby: Yeah, a lot of newer neighborhoods already have those. They still deliver packages to your door, though, if it won't fit in the mailbox.

You have a weird name.

/Just thought I'd point that out.

I'll let you two craicers sort that one out on your own.


That's craicist.
 
2013-07-24 04:57:27 AM
I think it's high time we quit with the party affiliations. It's rather obvious our elders are acting like children, and us Gen-Xers are going to be the goddam generational janitors of everything.
 
2013-07-24 04:58:06 AM

TV's Vinnie: I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

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Stamps cost a fraction of a penny to print but cost $0.46 to buy for a first class letter. Having different designs cause collectors to buy them at full value but never use them for postage. This is a huge profit for the post office. Whatever they pay for licensing The Simpsons is a small fraction of the money they make off collectors.
 
2013-07-24 05:16:44 AM
We've used these for as long as i can remember. We don't even have postal delivery services around here.
 
2013-07-24 05:29:25 AM

Hollie Maea: Subby sounds stupid and lazy.


Subby sounds fat.
 
2013-07-24 05:29:31 AM

djkutch: For areas of single family homes? There is no area to install them that is not on private property.


You guys don't have easements around there? Strips of land the city can claim to widen roads with/put utilities into/install a permanent clown parade/whatever they like.   My property is only 40'x125' but it's a corner lot so I really have 60'x140' to take care of (so much grass!).  The extra L-section has a stop sign, a fire hydrant, two manholes, a cable box, a tree, and a big mail box.  All mine to mow around.  goody.
 
2013-07-24 05:33:52 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


Ummm, because poor people are his base?  And he is looking to increase it.
 
2013-07-24 05:37:57 AM
Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.
 
2013-07-24 05:46:07 AM
"Earlier this year, the post office wanted to end Saturday mail delivery to save money, but that decision was later changed."
Wow, have never heard of Saturday mail delivery before now. An American thing? Cutting that seems like an easy way to save money. You get your mail on Monday... big deal.
 
2013-07-24 05:49:06 AM
heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.
 
2013-07-24 05:52:34 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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Yeah... that would totally never happen in rural areas. Never..

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THAT is called a trailer park. Totally different.
 
2013-07-24 05:57:58 AM

Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.


They don't. They stand up for their Unions (and votes).
 
2013-07-24 06:09:58 AM
For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.
 
2013-07-24 06:10:16 AM
They should have an opt out for mail service.
 
2013-07-24 06:12:27 AM

ckevinc: Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.

They don't. They stand up for their Unions (and votes).


Maybe if the GOP hadn't passed laws that force the USPS to fund their pension program for the next 75 years, something that no private business practice or any other government agency has to do, the USPS wouldn't be a financial mess.  (Okay, it probably would be a financial mess, but it would only be a fraction of the problem it currently is.)

But do carry on about unions.  It's adorable.
 
2013-07-24 06:16:06 AM

LiberalConservative: "Earlier this year, the post office wanted to end Saturday mail delivery to save money, but that decision was later changed."
Wow, have never heard of Saturday mail delivery before now. An American thing? Cutting that seems like an easy way to save money. You get your mail on Monday... big deal.


Except the GOP in the House told them they couldn't end Saturday delivery to save money, and they couldn't raise postal rates to bring in more revenue.  Oh, and they still have to fund their pension and retirement funds out through the next 75 years.  Republicans want the Constitutionally-mandated USPS to be abolished, and the only way they can do that is by breaking it beyond repair and then exclaiming, "See?  It doesn't work!"
 
m00
2013-07-24 06:16:08 AM

heavymetal: Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.


I don't think it's this. It's the fact the media has brainwashed people into thinking we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services (hey look, we're "doing something) while completely ignoring the billions of dollars a year GE gets in subsidies, the fact we bailed out New Zealand banks for I think over a trillion, the foreign aid we give to countries that hate us, the foreign aid we give to countries that we owe money, the military bases we keep around the world in places like Germany, the trillions we spend on having a standing military larger than the rest of the world combined coupled with the fact we still can't win a war...

Media doesn't talk about this.

Instead, lets cut education, postal services, and welfare!
 
fdr
2013-07-24 06:18:39 AM
The Republican Party is the party that promoted the idea that patents pay doctors with chickens.
 
2013-07-24 06:20:12 AM

This About That: Somehow, the way of the Post Office strikes me as a metaphor for the way of the nation.


Except for the mandatory pension funding.
 
2013-07-24 06:29:51 AM
They should just close the USPS, and open it up to private enterprise, just like EVERY OTHER service.

But no, that would make too much sense. It makes much more sense to spend $7 BILLION on a logo upgrade, and sponsoring Lance "Cheaties" Armstrong in a bike race in Frogistan.
 
2013-07-24 06:35:53 AM

Goimir: SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.

The tipping point at which it becomes a police state is where the average citizen is afraid of the police.


So...yes?
 
2013-07-24 06:37:47 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.


Especially if you're an arthritic old granny who has to haul an oxygen tank behind her to get the mail.
 
2013-07-24 06:39:58 AM

Piizzadude: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.


I would wager you're not required to have mail service necessarily, but pretty much anything to do with money will likely require a valid mailing address. I am thinking in particular wholly digital purchases online with a credit card. I guess you could load Paypal or other alternatives with money and pay without a CC.

So you're not required to have one, but if you don't you won't be able to use certain financial or other services.
 
2013-07-24 06:40:54 AM

Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.


A) It would help the post office stay solvent, keeping all of those grocery store ad companies in business. The mail man in my neighborhood can deliver to all of the houses in about 20min. No way he could be that efficient having to go door to door.

B) those new cluster mail boxes aren't going to build or install themselves.
 
2013-07-24 06:48:54 AM

Fart_Machine: Sgygus: What you don't want is one of these clusterf&uck boxes in front of your own house.

/trust me on this one

Yup.  Nothing like lazy asshats leaving their collective junk mail on or around the boxes.


Maybe you live in a neighborhood with trashy neighbors.  People where I live tend not to litter in their own neighborhood.
 
2013-07-24 06:51:41 AM
If the GOP is proposing it, it's probably farked up six ways from Sunday...
 
2013-07-24 06:51:54 AM

From the Gizmodo comments section:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my vague recollection was that one of the biggest reason why the USPS is in such a financial bind was that in 2006 Congress passed the "Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act," which required the post office to make payments meant to fund health benefits for future Postal Service retirees. The law requires that the Postal Service pay about $5 billion a year toward future health benefits for 10 years, until 2017. Instead of creating these "solutions," Congress could repealed that law or at least lessen the impact of that $5 billion it would take a lot of that financial pressure off.

The reply:
Yep you're 100% right, they are actually profitable except for the fact that unlike any public or private business in the US, they had to pay the pensions for employees who were 10 when the law was enacted.

It was a Republican ploy to kill the Post Office and replace it with a purely private service, even though FedEx and UPS rely on the post office to deliver their packages (yep if you ship through them, you are actually shipping through the USPS) and both said flat out they WILL NOT deliver mail door to door which is required by law which is why the Post Office exists in the first place.

All a giant scam by the republicans to discredit a service that was actually paying for it's self prior to 2006.

 
2013-07-24 07:00:36 AM
99.99% of my mail was spam so I stopped walking a quarter mile to get it.

Now all my parcels are delivered UPS or FedEx. To my door. fark the USPS. I have a spam filter on my email, and my bills are electronic. The only good thing in that snail spam was a Bed Bath & Beyond coupon that essentially reminded me they could profit on anything despite a 20% off coupon.

I feel I'm going to have an interesting conversation with a judge if it turns out I've snubbed a jury summons. "Your honor, the converse of the first amendment, the right to free speech, is the right to ignore the inane drabble of ten thousand marketeers. I apologize if your summons was lost in the noise. Now, considering my prior statement, do you think any lawyer would want me on their jury? Look at this beard! I've been working on the madman appearance for 8 months now. "
 
2013-07-24 07:02:04 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


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And the folks out there probably vote Republican, too.

What I want to know is, . . . does this mean the House Republicans would start hiking over to the main D.C. Post Office to collect their mail? Or would it continue to be delivered right to their very own desks?
 
2013-07-24 07:06:50 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Yea. The elderly should shut up, get in their wheelchairs, and push themselves down the block in 110 degree weather, those lazy asses. God forbid indeed.
 
2013-07-24 07:08:54 AM
There is no need for more than twice a week delivery and home delivery is an obscene luxury that shouldn't be government financed.
 
2013-07-24 07:11:56 AM

This About That: Somehow, the way of the Post Office strikes me as a metaphor for the way of the nation.


Republicans purposefully trying to destroy it? Yep.
 
2013-07-24 07:14:56 AM

Dog Welder: For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.


I thought the Constitution gave them power to establish post offices.   Nothing says anything about delivery to your house.  Or that it even be done by federal workers.  Or that a U.S. Postal Service even exists.
 
2013-07-24 07:16:32 AM

SevenizGud: They should just close the USPS, and open it up to private enterprise, just like EVERY OTHER service.

But no, that would make too much sense. It makes much more sense to spend $7 BILLION on a logo upgrade, and sponsoring Lance "Cheaties" Armstrong in a bike race in Frogistan.


So, when they do the things that private enterprise does (and the Armed Services), you dislike it. Got it.

I'm just curious, could you actually post something that wasn't a lie?
 
2013-07-24 07:17:21 AM
According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year

money makes jobs, we will save nothing
 
2013-07-24 07:17:21 AM

tbeatty: Dog Welder: For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.

I thought the Constitution gave them power to establish post offices.   Nothing says anything about delivery to your house.  Or that it even be done by federal workers.  Or that a U.S. Postal Service even exists.


Our Founding Fathers got mail twice a day.
 
2013-07-24 07:17:44 AM

Dog Welder: But do carry on about unions. It's adorable.


One of the most amazing things the GOP has pulled of is turning the mouth-breathers against unions.
 
2013-07-24 07:19:26 AM
*off

need coffee
 
2013-07-24 07:19:56 AM

KeatingFive: I'm just curious, could you actually post something that wasn't a lie?


No, he's an inflammatory troll, only. Solely. No other tricks in that bag.
 
2013-07-24 07:26:23 AM

tbeatty: Dog Welder: For such staunch defenders of the Constitution, it's amazing how much they despise the Constitutionally mandatory U.S. Postal Service and want to see it abolished.

I thought the Constitution gave them power to establish post offices.   Nothing says anything about delivery to your house.  Or that it even be done by federal workers.  Or that a U.S. Postal Service even exists.


So you're suggesting that we should just have a bunch of building where people pile up mail and do nothing with it?  Because according to you that's all the U.S. Constitution demands.

If you look at the OVERALL COST of the U.S. Postal Service, it's a drop in the bucket compared to anything else this country does for the services they create.  There is NO PRIVATE BUSINESS around that could do what the U.S. Postal Service does at the prices they do it.  But what about FedEx and UPS?  THEY USE THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE EXTENSIVELY and they themselves would not be able to function without it.

If you get rid of the USPS, you would farking CRIPPLE COMMERCE in this country.

The Teahadists are farking idiots and should be driven from public office.  Maybe they should stop trying to actively ruin the USPS and let the adults in the room take care of things.
 
2013-07-24 07:26:40 AM

m00: Goimir: The tipping point at which it becomes a police state is where the average citizen is afraid of the police.

Wait, they aren't?


My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s
 
2013-07-24 07:28:24 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


The GOP thinks Somalia is paradise.
/and the faster we can be like that the better, they say
 
2013-07-24 07:28:48 AM
I currently live 50 minutes outside of NYC and the town has no mailman, everyone needs a PO Box if they want their mail. Oh and I can only go on Saturday because I never make it home from work before they close on weekdays.

Basically, I already know what's coming if the GOP gets their odd wet dream of ruining the post office to pass. It kind of sucks.
 
2013-07-24 07:29:34 AM

SnakeLee: AdolfOliverPanties: Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Start going to the websites that the people who say that stuff go to.  It usually involves the Illuminati and rounding up gun owners into concentration camps.  They just won't say it to you in an argument because they know how crazy it sounds to people who don't already believe in their conspiracy theories.

For instance, what the NSA is doing is bad, but it doesn't mean that a.) we live in a police state,* b.) Obama is engaged in a coup of sorts, c.) the anti-christ has risen, d.) the first step in logging all gun owners is complete, e.) someone is watching your every move, etc. etc. etc.  I feel like everyone actually wants to live in some fantasy dystopia just so they could biatch more.  Meanwhile, midterm election voter turnout is like 30%.

/*A real police state is so much worse than what we live in today.  This is tasteless hyperbole.  I will accept that if the powers that the government is getting were further expanded and someone unscrupulous person got the presidency we could head that way, but as it stands now we do not live in one.  It's not even an argument.  Stop it with the hyperbole and have a rational conversation.


The shift to a police state doesnt happen overnight unless you want a massive revolt. Slowly expanding on powers is the best solution as people accept new laws and move on.
 
2013-07-24 07:31:17 AM

Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s


You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?
 
2013-07-24 07:36:11 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


Amazing what they have been able to do the last five years, oh wait.

So republicans should spend more time sexting their weiner instead? Like good democrats?
 
2013-07-24 07:37:41 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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I wouldn't bother.
 
2013-07-24 07:37:52 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


"House Republicans..." So 2 or 3 Republicans are stupid and didn't read the bill before signing on to co-sponsor it. That turns the word "Republican" into plural" in a way to make capitalize using the media hammer to make it appear that all Republicans, without exception, are all on board.

Another case of blaming the face of one side of a coin for the total weight of the whole. Enjoy the divide and conquer.
 
2013-07-24 07:39:21 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Mommy? can I go get the mail?

www.proverbsforlife.com
 
2013-07-24 07:40:56 AM
My cluster box is 2 blocks away.  Easy walk.
 
2013-07-24 07:41:29 AM
What does it matter, I'm still not going to get my mail thanks to the difficulty of matching numbers and streets on envelopes to houses...
 
2013-07-24 07:43:08 AM

geoduck42: TwowheelinTim: No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.

A solution to this I once read: Get a large metal mailbox, and another the next size down. Put the latter inside the former and fill the gaps between the two with a batch of concrete. Mount it solidly enough on the support pole, and you'll find shards of broken baseball bat scattered around your driveway.

On topic.. my street uses the cluster-box model, and it works fine. One plus side for senior citizens; going to get the mail gives them a chance to socialize with the neighbors.


I always see huge concrete mailboxes laying on it's side.
 
2013-07-24 07:44:33 AM
The USPS should just team up with the NSA and send you their scanned copy of your mail by email; then you can click a link if you actually need something delivered.
 
2013-07-24 07:46:42 AM
I see a lot of people didn't read TFA.

They aren't thinking of stopping curbside mail delivery (i.e. at your mailbox). They're considering ending the postman who walks from door to door and shoves the mail through a slot in the door, or puts it in a box at your door.

/since it's a Republican supported idea though, I immediately question the intent behind this
 
2013-07-24 07:48:22 AM
doesn't bother me at all.  The only reason I go to my mailbox is on garbage day.  Drag my garbage can down to the street.  Open up mailbox, extract contents, place contents in garbage can.

I MAY get one valid piece of mail delivered to me per month.  Can't stand that I have to throw out other peoples trash.
 
2013-07-24 07:52:44 AM

SevenizGud: They should just close the USPS, and open it up to private enterprise, just like EVERY OTHER service.

But no, that would make too much sense. It makes much more sense to spend $7 BILLION on a logo upgrade, and sponsoring Lance "Cheaties" Armstrong in a bike race in Frogistan.


Fine.  I hope you don't mind paying $100 for a package to be delivered, or $75 or more for an overnight letter and $35 for a first class letter to be delivered.  That's pretty much what would happen without the backbone of the USPS, since UPS, FedEx, and many other package carriers would have to make up the difference somewhere.  You don't think they'll actually try to lower prices should the USPS go away, do you?

That's not the way it works in the private sector, and if they can gouge your ass for more, they will.
 
2013-07-24 07:53:00 AM
Put a cluster two blocks away from me?  Keep it.  People will call me when they really want me to do something.
 
2013-07-24 07:55:03 AM

LasersHurt: Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s

You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?


It's not your fault. I remembe being told in school:

"You're lucky to live in the USA. Imagine living in a country where the police can stop you and ask you for your papers at any time and ask you where you're going and what you're doing. Imagine going to the store and only being able to buy what they have at that store. Is the produce rotten? Too bad, either buy it or do without. Imagine the police being able to arrest you for being critical of the government, or just hanging out with the wrong people. Imagine the police being able to barge into your homes or listen to your phone conversations without a warrant."

Now we live in a country with Terry stops, where Walmart is the only choice in rural areas, free speech zones, the war on drugs, no knock raids, and the NSA.

/Yeah, I grew up in a Polish immigrant community, 95% of which were people who defected from behind the Iron Curtain.
 
2013-07-24 07:57:26 AM

Goimir: LasersHurt: Goimir: My point was this already is a police state, and has been one since at least the 80s

You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?

It's not your fault. I remembe being told in school:

"You're lucky to live in the USA. Imagine living in a country where the police can stop you and ask you for your papers at any time and ask you where you're going and what you're doing. Imagine going to the store and only being able to buy what they have at that store. Is the produce rotten? Too bad, either buy it or do without. Imagine the police being able to arrest you for being critical of the government, or just hanging out with the wrong people. Imagine the police being able to barge into your homes or listen to your phone conversations without a warrant."

Now we live in a country with Terry stops, where Walmart is the only choice in rural areas, free speech zones, the war on drugs, no knock raids, and the NSA.

/Yeah, I grew up in a Polish immigrant community, 95% of which were people who defected from behind the Iron Curtain.


So "No", then?
 
2013-07-24 07:59:00 AM

Pharmdawg: Especially if you're an arthritic old granny who has to haul an oxygen tank behind her to get the mail.


Actually, the article mentions that a mailbox by your street would be okay as long as its out in front of your house and accessible by the USPS truck.  What they want to see gone is the porch mailboxes that go right next to your door, thus requiring your mail delivery person to walk up the street, down your walkway, up the steps to your porch, deliver your mail, walk back to the street, jog over 100 ft and repeat.

But you know, dont let facts or anything get in the way of your butthurt.

Dedmon: Yea. The elderly should shut up, get in their wheelchairs, and push themselves down the block in 110 degree weather, those lazy asses. God forbid indeed


and again - Mailboxes by your driveway are okay.
 
2013-07-24 08:00:24 AM

LasersHurt: You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?


Like comparing the consolidation of mail delivery locations to "

optikeye: third world country territory

"?
 
2013-07-24 08:02:44 AM

balancing act: So when I sold my last house, which had curbside delivery, we moved to this house which has a clusterbox.
A couple weeks after we left the old place, the realtor called and asked us for the mailbox key.  We never had one, there was no lock on our curbside box.  Turns out, the very week we moved, they transitioned the neighborhood to clusterboxes.
The part I don't really get is, the old house, we built in 1995, and it had curbside. This house was built in 1987, but it has clusterboxes.  But the folks across the street have curbside.  Both old and new neighborhoods are medium density suburban areas.
I know there must be some logic to all this, but it puzzles me.
Box isn't bad for us, its right on our property (probably on an easement, idk). I have never had anyone leave junk laying around out there.  Once in a great while someone will leave out a piece of misdelivered mail instead of delivering to the house themselves like the rest of us.


In my old neighborhood the first three streets in got door delivery. My street had clusterboxes, the next street was door delivery, and the next two cluster boxes....and this was a closed subdivision
 
2013-07-24 08:03:06 AM

GoldSpider: LasersHurt: You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?

Like comparing the consolidation of mail delivery locations to "optikeye: third world country territory"?


This is truly Hitler's Maoville.
 
2013-07-24 08:13:23 AM

GoldSpider: LasersHurt: You guys ever say stuff like that and go "I wonder if I've lost some perspective"?

Like comparing the consolidation of mail delivery locations to "optikeye: third world country territory"?


I know right. Ar least we get to live large portions of our lives in cubicles.
 
2013-07-24 08:17:51 AM
Look, I don't want to ruin the hate on the House Repubs, cus they do suck quite a bit, but the suggestion was originally made by Hallmark, and had some support from the USPS. According to the NPR piece I heard, at least.
 
2013-07-24 08:19:23 AM

ChaoticCoyote: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

What about legal stuff, new debit/credit cards, packages... ?


They automatically drop packages on your doorstep and email you to let you know.
Every piece of mail has a "send now" button on it if you need it in physical form.  The guy drops it off next time he's making his rounds.  They retain them for something like 60 or 90 days and shred them if you don't request them.
At one point they said for checks they were going to work something out where they'd automatically deposit them in your bank account, but that hasn't materialized yet.

jst3p: The NSA loves that you like this service.


I'm sure the NSA doesn't have any hooks into a government agency like the USPS.  Nope, they couldn't possibly open up your mail and very neatly re-seal it.
Anyhow, I'm not too concerned about the NSA knowing what's on sale at the grocery store this week, or when my car warranty is set to expire.  They can usually figure that stuff out through separate means.
 
2013-07-24 08:26:10 AM
"I'm 79 years old and my husband is 81 and if we had to go somewhere else to get our mail it would be a real problem,"

sharocity.com
 
2013-07-24 08:35:05 AM
This is a good idea, it will cut back on those deadly fuel emissions caused by mail delivery.
 
2013-07-24 08:36:14 AM

tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.


They also don't deliver letters, unless you want to pay for overnight delivery.  And if the USPS goes away, you better bet your ass that UPS and FedEx will both deliver junk mail.
 
2013-07-24 08:37:34 AM

midigod: tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

They also don't deliver letters, unless you want to pay for overnight delivery.  And if the USPS goes away, you better bet your ass that UPS and FedEx will both deliver junk mail.


Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.
 
2013-07-24 08:42:38 AM
This will fly until those same Republicans discover that they have to walk to a "cluster box" to get their mail, and then it will stop.

Kind of like the sequester was a great idea until they found out it would impact their own travel schedules.
 
2013-07-24 08:44:23 AM

Lsherm: Old people like Medicare more than the post office.

Liberals: keep pretending money grows on trees. As Detroit found out, you can't borrow your way to success.


And way to deflect and avoid the issue.  Again, given the GOP's demographics, do you really think this will help with elections?

And since you're so concerned about wasteful money and the budget, surely you can agree to lower military spending, right?  At the very least on weapons programs the Pentagon doesn't even want?  You know, the ones that Republicans push for decades?
 
2013-07-24 08:52:24 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Not exactly.  They could create actual Euro notes, but it would be in violation of the terms of EU to do so without authorization.  The US is under no such restrictions to print dollars.

While I agree that further devaluing the dollar against other currencies through dilution isn't ideal for all purposes, it does have the effect of making US exports more attractive.  The weaker the dollar, the cheaper other countries can by our goods, which does indeed help the domestic economy in a way.


First, the Greeks could pull out of the EU and print drachmas again - as many as they want.

Second, it would help if we were actually printing money, which we aren't.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-24 08:53:26 AM
somehow I think he doesn't mean his own neighborhood when he proposes this.
 
2013-07-24 08:54:18 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


Maybe the fact that mail can get to such a place for 46 cents suggests that something is wrong with the system.

/also, Republican incompetence
//also, Republican malevolence
 
2013-07-24 08:57:31 AM

hubiestubert: Which is oddly enough, the same reason why private schools and public schools are not equal and opposite. Public schools have to take everyone, and accommodate special needs, while private schools can pick and choose their student body, and oddly enough, drop those that they think will drop their scores or cause too much trouble. Public schools have to at least make the attempt. The point of public schools is not a profit margin, and comparing them to private schools, that ARE supposed to run at a profit, it's not really an even comparison. It's akin to comparing hospice care and the recovery rates at a children's hospital, or a private clinic.

And that's sort of the point. The government takes on duties that for profit companies can't, or won't take on. Because there's not really a profit in doing so. And how many ideas trickle out of government labs, that eventually find their way to the private sector, but whose basis was in pure science research? The government isn't supposed to operate at a profit, and the comparisons to private firms, who do get to pick and choose their clients, that's neither fair, nor is it even a genuine argument. And yet, these for profit firms are still just annoyed that the government is still, after 225 years of service, that the US postal service is still guaranteed by the Constitution...


You certainly don't have to sell me on education and research, which are strongly supported supply-side economics.

/If anything, that proves that so-called "supply-side" conservatives aren't supply-side at all, but only interested in what they see will lower their tax burden, not what will make them the most money
//Some people would rather make $100k and have zero taxes than make $250k and have 50% taxes for the same work
 
2013-07-24 08:57:55 AM

Shadowknight: Somehow, I don't think this is going to work in all places in the US.


The point isn't to set up something that works, the point is to set up something that doesn't work, so they can point at it and say "it's not working, see?".
 
2013-07-24 09:01:22 AM

TheOmni: Before considering any Republican proposal about the USPS, keep in mind that they want them to fail and actively take steps to encourage that failure.


yeah pretty much this.
 
2013-07-24 09:02:02 AM
These things are allready everywhere, but they had better not go around pulling up perfectly good mail boxes to install these things in existing neighborhoods....
 They must be destroyed for the greater good!

brickdr.com
 
2013-07-24 09:06:52 AM
What percentage of the annual tax abatement/subsidy to Exxon would solve the budget problems for the USPS?
 
2013-07-24 09:07:58 AM
anyone who thinks their party is doing a better job of overseeing any government organization
is a nincompoop
 
2013-07-24 09:14:07 AM
Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...
 
2013-07-24 09:15:47 AM

Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.


Because every dollar the post office spends is a dollar taken out of the private sector. And the private sector would have invested that dollar and turned it into 4.5 billion dollars worth of jobs.
 
2013-07-24 09:15:54 AM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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Yeah, and these farking things get robbed all of the time. People have one stop shopping for identity theft... Of course, Republicans know all about breaking the law.

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2013-07-24 09:16:10 AM

Z1P2: Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...


Did you ever have a paper route as a kid? I did, and trust me, if I could have dropped a load at the top of the street instead of having to hit each drive way, it would have saved a hell of a lot of time.
 
2013-07-24 09:16:14 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


rich people gotta keep those tax cuts so they can afford to hire people to get their mail for them.
 
2013-07-24 09:17:41 AM

The Larch: Notabunny: fta According to a recent report from the Postal Service's Office of the Inspector General, ending door-to-door delivery would save $4.5 billion a year.

How? I can guess, but I'd like to hear it from a Republican. And please explain how this fits into your Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! agenda.

Because every dollar the post office spends is a dollar taken out of the private sector. And the private sector would have invested that dollar and turned it into 4.5 billion dollars worth of jobs.


in India or Korea or China etc.
 
2013-07-24 09:19:11 AM

Aristocles: Z1P2: Not sure i believe that it would save time or gas...

Did you ever have a paper route as a kid? I did, and trust me, if I could have dropped a load at the top of the street instead of having to hit each drive way, it would have saved a hell of a lot of time.


yeah but then they wouldn't have needed as many paper delivery boys so you most likely wouldn't have gotten the job.
 
2013-07-24 09:19:44 AM

tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.


I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.
 
2013-07-24 09:20:56 AM

Mad Scientist: What percentage of the annual tax abatement/subsidy to Exxon would solve the budget problems for the USPS?


they should just bump the price of postage again is all.
 
2013-07-24 09:21:49 AM

Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.


Does that ridiculous $353 per stop amount include retirement benefits for employees who haven't been born yet?

Mad Scientist: What percentage of the annual tax abatement/subsidy to Exxon would solve the budget problems for the USPS?


This this this.
 
2013-07-24 09:22:39 AM

Kibbler: This will fly until those same Republicans discover that they have to walk to a "cluster box" to get their mail, and then it will stop.

Kind of like the sequester was a great idea until they found out it would impact their own travel schedules.


those hoverounds aren't that good for treking cross the hood.
 
2013-07-24 09:24:13 AM
Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail
 
2013-07-24 09:28:52 AM
There's nothing wrong with cluster boxes as an idea, but what's the reasoning behind mandating them? Less wear and tear on the mailmen?
 
2013-07-24 09:28:52 AM

Full Metal Retard: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

It was Democrats who ended education in the USA, and replaced it with indoctrination and feel good bullshiat.   I'm guessing you went to all public schools, and found those beyond your intellectual grasp.


Exactly. This is why the red states consistently lead the country in education.
 
2013-07-24 09:30:29 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?

If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.


You forgot the variable for congressional rules for assigning 50 years of pension money immediately into an untouchable, non interest bearing fund for every employee the post office hires as a mean for bankrupting the post office. Then again the GOP couldn't even successfully wipe out the post office yet.

Ben Franklin would biatchslap them into oblivion. It is supposed to be a service of national interest, not a for profit business.
 
2013-07-24 09:31:50 AM

m00: heavymetal: Of course their constituents who need the electric buggies to shop at Walmart thanks to their bad dietary choices and sedentary lifestyles, will be the first to complain about having to walk down the street to their "cluster box" for mail.  Then they will use it as an example of why government doesn't work, and why the Federal Post Service must be disbanded and privatized.

Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

I don't think it's this. It's the fact the media has brainwashed people into thinking we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services (hey look, we're "doing something) while completely ignoring the billions of dollars a year GE gets in subsidies, the fact we bailed out New Zealand banks for I think over a trillion, the foreign aid we give to countries that hate us, the foreign aid we give to countries that we owe money, the military bases we keep around the world in places like Germany, the trillions we spend on having a standing military larger than the rest of the world combined coupled with the fact we still can't win a war...

Media doesn't talk about this.

Instead, lets cut education, postal services, and welfare!



Another thing regarding the "we have to save every penny even if it means cutting into vital services" menatality that is never addressed.  These "contracted/privatized" services do not cost any less on the whole, they just pay the workers less.  Any savings gets stashed away in foreign tax shelters by some venture capitalists who win the contract.  Instead of the current postal workers who are making a living wage and benfits pumping their expendable income into the local economy, you have a bunch of minimum wage contracted employees barely getting by. They also wind up more dependent on social welfare programs despite working because they make so little they still qualify for it.
 
2013-07-24 09:33:44 AM
Had these boxes at the old apartment complex.  Basically people dropped all the mass mailings on the ground, and no one picked them up.  Blocked traffic at the exit of the complex as people would park in both lanes and saunter their overweight asses over to get their mail and chat.

TLDR: People are too stupid for this to work smoothly.
 
2013-07-24 09:33:58 AM
Doesn't this fly in the face of the whining by tea party types only a year or so ago when they said that shutting down post offices in rural areas was going to hurt their flyover constituency?

Other than that it's actually a good idea.  99% of the mail delivered daily is junk mail.  The should get rid of that crap.  Move to a fed ex/ UPS model.
 
2013-07-24 09:37:22 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.


Yep.  And they make theft very convenient.  A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.
 
2013-07-24 09:38:16 AM

Teaser: "I'm 79 years old and my husband is 81 and if we had to go somewhere else to get our mail it would be a real problem,"

[sharocity.com image 600x375]




Don't worry, you will never be old.
 
2013-07-24 09:38:38 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.


www.mediaite.com
 
2013-07-24 09:39:45 AM

Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail


You haven't been paying attention, then, and I'm not saying that to be a jerk.

In 2006 the GOP passed and signed into a law a provision that the USPS needs to fund the healthcare and pensions of the USPS for 75 years in the future.  This was meant to drive the USPS into massive red ink, after which the House could demand why the USPS was such an utter failure and demand a solution to the problem that ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT involve raising postal rates or ending Saturday delivery or any other reasonable suggestion the USPS has come up with.

There are those in the GOP suggesting that PRIVATE INDUSTRY needs to take over mail delivery in this country, ignoring that we've been doing just fine on the mail delivery system for well over 200 years so far.

Remember...if it's working fine, break it and exclaim that it's broken.

/also a registered Republican
//very sick of the bullshiat from the GOP
///the Teahadists need to go be fat and illiterate somewhere else
 
2013-07-24 09:40:57 AM

Aristocles: Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.


I've just now checked my UPS account, and when you select UPS letter, the option for Ground delivery is no longer available.  When you instead select "Other Packaging," and enter the dimensions of a letter, the price for Ground service for the random address I selected three states away from me is $15.22.
 
2013-07-24 09:41:13 AM

gadian: We don't have a cluster box, but my closest two neighbors and I all have boxes right next to each other at the end of the shared driveway.  The driveway is about a mile long and it's about a mile to the next closest little row of mailboxes, so I feel like we're meeting the PO halfway with this.  The farker still likes to leave packages sitting on top of the boxes though, with his half-drunk morning cup of coffee.  Won't even waste a delivery slip and take the package back to the post office.


You live in Alaska if I recall.  Your experience is not typical of the rest of the country. Their are 200 thousand more people in my small county as your entire huge state.  My city equals about half the population of your state.
 
2013-07-24 09:42:08 AM

FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.


THis sounds like an exaggeration.
 
2013-07-24 09:43:11 AM
Hey, when the GOP has a good idea, let's support it. I've been using these for over 5 years. No big deal. More efficient. Saves money. Christ, come on people.
 
2013-07-24 09:44:13 AM
As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now.

So much for the "conservative" party that values our heritage.  Just so happens the USPS, which has been around since Ben Franklin's time, also directly contradicts the GOP's pro-capitalism/free market agenda...nevermind the fact that the success of capitalism is largely due to the services the USPS has granted over the past few centuries.

I have nothing against republicans as a whole, nor am I a democrat or libertarian.   I just find the spinning of this issue by the likes of Darrell Issa and co. completely dishonest and manipulative.
 
2013-07-24 09:48:06 AM
The Biff Dangler solution is fool proof:

Fire the sorters.  Deliver mail every other day.  On the day that the mail is not being delivered, the delivery guy sorts.

let's face it, at least 80% of all mail is shiat nobody needs.  Of the remaining 20%, it can wait an extra day.
 
2013-07-24 09:49:06 AM

heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.


UPS does have Saturday delivery.

/loaded boxes at UPS from 2am to 9am for three years
 
2013-07-24 09:55:12 AM
meh, I pay my bills online anyway...
 
2013-07-24 09:55:35 AM

Aristocles: heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.

UPS does have Saturday delivery.

/loaded boxes at UPS from 2am to 9am for three years


But I think what he was getting at is the the USPS is the only organization in the entire country that visits 99% of all mail boxes in the country 6 times per week...
 
2013-07-24 09:55:48 AM

ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006 that their product is obsolete.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now, and racking up massive tax burden for your grandchildren.


FTFY.  You can complain about the PAEA all you want, but it's there for a reason.  The USPS has been on its way out ever since people stopped sending mail in the 1990s.  Long after the post office delivers its last dead tree, those employees are still going to be retired, and they're still going to want the benefits they were promised.
But why plan ahead right?  We'll just let it be somebody else's problem.
 
2013-07-24 09:57:34 AM

heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.


FedEx and UPS also extensively use the USPS for delivery of small parcels. He's not thinking his clever plan all the way through.
 
2013-07-24 09:59:11 AM

manimal2878: FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.

THis sounds like an exaggeration.




Seems like a low risk crime that will be an even bigger lure.

Guess we will need a shiatton of cameras and drones to patrol them.

Good luck with "registered" mail.
 
2013-07-24 10:03:14 AM

midigod: Aristocles: Of course UPS delivers letters, and they don't have to be next day delivery.

I've just now checked my UPS account, and when you select UPS letter, the option for Ground delivery is no longer available.  When you instead select "Other Packaging," and enter the dimensions of a letter, the price for Ground service for the random address I selected three states away from me is $15.22.


This is odd. It seems that none of the UPS packages offer ground service. This is not how it was a few years ago.
 
2013-07-24 10:03:47 AM

Aristocles: This is a good idea, it will cut back on those deadly fuel emissions caused by mail delivery.


No it won't. Most of the people (at least in my neighborhood) would probably DRIVE to this communal mailbox.

Heck, most of my neighbors drive to the end of the driveway just to get their mail now.
 
2013-07-24 10:05:08 AM

themindiswatching: That sucks. The USPS does seem to have a habit around here for some reason of making me go to the post office to pick up any packages from overseas.


That's an issue of Customs. They have to physically hand over packages from overseas, they can't leave them in a box. (I think this is more due to trying to restrict drug trade than anything).
 
2013-07-24 10:06:09 AM

midigod: tbeatty: UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

They also don't deliver letters, unless you want to pay for overnight delivery.  And if the USPS goes away, you better bet your ass that UPS and FedEx will both deliver junk mail.


It's hard to say. The biggest point of idiocy of the post office is that they charge a flat rate. It shouldn't cost the same to send a letter three blocks down in Manhattan as it does from Florida to rural Idaho. UPS and FedEx aren't stupid enough to do philanthropic delivery - if you wanted to carpet an entire area, you'd probably pay some serious money.

Most people are missing the point of this proposal. The Republicans don't want anyone even considering the option of removing the flat rate. All of a sudden their constituents who live 30 miles from nowhere are going to pay for the inconvenience, instead of urban dwellers subsidizing them. If the post office collapses, it's the rural crowd that suffers the most. There will be a ton of businesses stepping up to deliver mail within a city core.
 
2013-07-24 10:07:03 AM

serial_crusher: ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006 that their product is obsolete.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now, and racking up massive tax burden for your grandchildren.

FTFY.  You can complain about the PAEA all you want, but it's there for a reason.  The USPS has been on its way out ever since people stopped sending mail in the 1990s.  Long after the post office delivers its last dead tree, those employees are still going to be retired, and they're still going to want the benefits they were promised.
But why plan ahead right?  We'll just let it be somebody else's problem.


Except that people have not stopped sending mail.  Personal letters are certainly no longer a thing, but there are still parcels, financial documents and other assorted bits (not just junk mail) that require the postal service.  And as it's been pointed out repeatedly throughout this thread, the private sector (UPS and FedEx) rely heavily upon the USPS' infrastructure to help them deliver packages.

And do you really think the PAEA was passed because the GOP was actually concerned about what was going to happen to this country 75 years from now?  That's laughable.
 
2013-07-24 10:07:24 AM

Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail


This has been a pattern I noticed. The GOP does seem to be trying to kill the USPS. (changing accounting rules, pension funding rules, etc.)

What I can't figure out is why they want whatever it is they seem to want. What's in it for them?
 
2013-07-24 10:09:03 AM

jpo2269: Of course your take on things isn't really based in reality.  The postal service as a quasi-independent agency of the government is supposed to operate off of its revenues.  Prior to a few years ago, the postal service had never laid off any employees.  The requirement for the postal service fully fund its pensions is neither draconian, nor an act of trying to kill the postal service, it is one endangered example of common sense coming out of DC.


The pension funding requirements placed on the USPS were unreasonable and FAR in excess of what is required by other agencies or businesses.
 
2013-07-24 10:12:46 AM
Ban BULK rates. No one needs bulk rates.
 
2013-07-24 10:12:58 AM

Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.


My aunt isn't quite a tea bagger, but she does watch a lot of Fox News and listen to Glen Beck everyday, and she works as a mail carrier for the post office. She's always biatching about how much money it loses and how everything government does should at least break even if not turn a profit. A couple months ago she was on her little tirade, so I asked her how was the fire dept supposed to earn money, should they send a bill afterwards to the people whose houses they save? She thought it was a good idea. Said if they can't afford to pay for it, why are they entitled to it.

/My brother ended that conversation by telling her that idea was "farking retarded", and asked if she knew what satire meant.
//She hasn't really spoken to us since then
 
2013-07-24 10:13:27 AM

jpo2269: Bashar,

Of course your take on things isn't really based in reality.  The postal service as a quasi-independent agency of the government is supposed to operate off of its revenues.  Prior to a few years ago, the postal service had never laid off any employees.  The requirement for the postal service fully fund its pensions is neither draconian, nor an act of trying to kill the postal service, it is one endangered example of common sense coming out of DC.

Granted, if the entire federal government had to adhere to the same rules, the size and scope of govt. would be much smaller..  I do not harbor ill feelings towards govt workers, many/most perform a vital service with little to no individual recognition... but if an "independent agency" is truly independent, would they need a govt. bailout?



The congressional mandate to fund the USPS pension plan was imposed on no other public or private enterprise in America. Since 2006, Congress has forced the Postal Service to make enormous annual contributions into a fund for future retiree health benefits, including the $5.5 billion and $5.6 billion mentioned above. In fact, since they began, these payments have accounted for more than 80 percent of the Postal Service's losses.

It is worth noting that the Postal Service's pension funds are overfunded and the retiree health care fund -- into which these payments are transferred -- currently contains almost $45 billion dollars, enough to pay retiree health costs for decades to come.

This congressional mandate is the cause of the "crisis" facing the Postal Service, and it has nothing to do with operations, decreasing mail volume, or the Internet.
 
2013-07-24 10:17:31 AM
We all know Republicans are a bunch of evil assholes.

Now, what are we discussing here today? Haven't read TFA yet.
 
2013-07-24 10:20:07 AM

Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.


==============

Funny thing, these rural, white, dumb-asses are the most rabid supporters of the twisted GOP agenda.  These twits are going to be stuck out in the middle of Bumfark, Nowhere with no paved roads, no phone, net, or TV service, no schools, hospitals and no mail service, to say nothing of jobs, and their property values, which are near zero as it is.    They are literally demanding that they be placed on a reservation for white tards,
 
2013-07-24 10:21:35 AM

SpectroBoy: Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail

This has been a pattern I noticed. The GOP does seem to be trying to kill the USPS. (changing accounting rules, pension funding rules, etc.)

What I can't figure out is why they want whatever it is they seem to want. What's in it for them?


It's too easy to hide things in snail mail. Like words.

Ever vigilant, 100% monitoring, 100% security.
 
2013-07-24 10:24:33 AM

SpectroBoy: Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail

This has been a pattern I noticed. The GOP does seem to be trying to kill the USPS. (changing accounting rules, pension funding rules, etc.)

What I can't figure out is why they want whatever it is they seem to want. What's in it for them?


MONEY. The GOP wants a frat bro owning another piece of YOUR country.
They think you are too stupid to notice.
Close, we are just too busy and well, human.
 
2013-07-24 10:26:10 AM

Fissile: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

==============

Funny thing, these rural, white, dumb-asses are the most rabid supporters of the twisted GOP agenda.  These twits are going to be stuck out in the middle of Bumfark, Nowhere with no paved roads, no phone, net, or TV service, no schools, hospitals and no mail service, to say nothing of jobs, and their property values, which are near zero as it is.    They are literally demanding that they be placed on a reservation for white tards,


Barefoot, pregnant, and in a concentration camp "for your own good" is the mission of the day.
 
2013-07-24 10:27:33 AM
So, destroy jobs, attack Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. constitution, give shipping dollars to their buddies in UPS and FedEx, and generally jerk everyone around.

Thanks,
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-24 10:33:17 AM

Dog Welder: serial_crusher: ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006 that their product is obsolete.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now, and racking up massive tax burden for your grandchildren.

FTFY.  You can complain about the PAEA all you want, but it's there for a reason.  The USPS has been on its way out ever since people stopped sending mail in the 1990s.  Long after the post office delivers its last dead tree, those employees are still going to be retired, and they're still going to want the benefits they were promised.
But why plan ahead right?  We'll just let it be somebody else's problem.

Except that people have not stopped sending mail.  Personal letters are certainly no longer a thing, but there are still parcels, financial documents and other assorted bits (not just junk mail) that require the postal service.  And as it's been pointed out repeatedly throughout this thread, the private sector (UPS and FedEx) rely heavily upon the USPS' infrastructure to help them deliver packages.


You know how much I wish I could get my financial crap and legal documents through email instead of snail mail?  Have them be searchable and instantly accessible at the end of the year when I'm doing my taxes?
Just because those industries haven't modernized yet, do you really think they won't within the next 75 years?

I'm fine with the government spending tax money on infrastructure to keep packages moving around (even though 3D printing is going to cut into that business too...).  But the idea that you need a guy coming to your door every day is laughable, as is the idea that it will magically pay for itself.
 
2013-07-24 10:33:54 AM

snocone: Fissile: Aarontology: Anything that makes it harder for hillbillies in the sticks to communicate with the outside world is good in my book.

==============

Funny thing, these rural, white, dumb-asses are the most rabid supporters of the twisted GOP agenda.  These twits are going to be stuck out in the middle of Bumfark, Nowhere with no paved roads, no phone, net, or TV service, no schools, hospitals and no mail service, to say nothing of jobs, and their property values, which are near zero as it is.    They are literally demanding that they be placed on a reservation for white tards,

Barefoot, pregnant, and in a concentration camp "for your own good" is the mission of the day.




Then move. My friends want to put up a call center complex.
 
2013-07-24 10:37:41 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)


It's because he's a socialist, Muslim, black radical Christian immigrant who is tormented by every second that America remains the bastion of liberty that it is.
 
2013-07-24 10:38:03 AM

serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.


Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?
 
2013-07-24 10:41:56 AM

optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.


But they get to keep hard core religion so it evens out.
 
2013-07-24 10:44:27 AM

room at the top: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?


Beat me to it by that much.
We have 1%ers that never touch mail making decisions for your own good.
Oh, and for their own profit. I been tole' profit is not a dirty word. I think it was that Keynesian guy.
Move along.
 
2013-07-24 10:45:25 AM

Lsherm: log_jammin: we've gone to the moon, sent probes to the very edge of the solar system, and brought down the soviet union.

But now mail delivery is too hard to do.

Too expensive for the result.  Don't mistake difficulty with efficiency.


Try sending mail through FedEx or UPS.
 
2013-07-24 10:45:31 AM

SpectroBoy: Maul555: Where did all these people come from claiming that the republicans want to kill the postal system?  This is a new one to me...

/registered repub
//conservative libertarian
///enjoys getting mail

This has been a pattern I noticed. The GOP does seem to be trying to kill the USPS. (changing accounting rules, pension funding rules, etc.)

What I can't figure out is why they want whatever it is they seem to want. What's in it for them?


Filthy lucre in the form of kick-backs from the corporations who would "privatize" it.
 
2013-07-24 10:45:35 AM

Latinwolf: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

But they get to keep hard core religion so it evens out.


All you need is religion,,,
La la, de da.
Humm sumptin.

catchy
 
2013-07-24 10:47:26 AM

some_beer_drinker: Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x266]

this. everywhere in canada...as far as i know. you lazy fark americans. my old man drives 400 feet to get his mail. talk about lazy.


Reminds me of this scene at the :15 second mark.
 
2013-07-24 10:50:14 AM

serial_crusher: Dog Welder: serial_crusher: ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned.  This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006 that their product is obsolete.   If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now, and racking up massive tax burden for your grandchildren.

FTFY.  You can complain about the PAEA all you want, but it's there for a reason.  The USPS has been on its way out ever since people stopped sending mail in the 1990s.  Long after the post office delivers its last dead tree, those employees are still going to be retired, and they're still going to want the benefits they were promised.
But why plan ahead right?  We'll just let it be somebody else's problem.

Except that people have not stopped sending mail.  Personal letters are certainly no longer a thing, but there are still parcels, financial documents and other assorted bits (not just junk mail) that require the postal service.  And as it's been pointed out repeatedly throughout this thread, the private sector (UPS and FedEx) rely heavily upon the USPS' infrastructure to help them deliver packages.

You know how much I wish I could get my financial crap and legal documents through email instead of snail mail?  Have them be searchable and instantly accessible at the end of the year when I'm doing my taxes?
Just because those industries haven't modernized yet, do you really think they won't within the next 75 years?

I'm fine with the government spending tax money on infrastructure to keep packages moving around (even though 3D printing is going to cut into that business too...).  But the idea that you need a guy coming to your door every day is laughable, as is the idea that it will magically pay for itself.


And yet when the USPS suggested cutting Saturday delivery, the House GOP told them they couldn't do that.

There are many other government agencies looking to be obsolete within the next 75 years, yet NOT ONE of them needs to fund their pension and health benefits for the next 75 years.  There is no company and no other government agency in the entire world that is hamstrung with that specific requirement.

For whatever reason, the GOP is trying to kill off a vital government function.  Just because YOU do not see a need for the USPS it does not mean there is no need for the USPS.

Get rid of the USPS and you will see shipping costs in this company skyrocket.  It will farking kill small businesses and put huge dents into the profit margins of many corporations.

But let's not think too far ahead, because I'm sure the GOP will find a way to blame Obama.
 
2013-07-24 10:50:31 AM

Great_Milenko: Does that ridiculous $353 per stop amount include retirement benefits for employees who haven't been born yet?


The longest postal route is 187 miles and 250 mail boxes. At about $0.40 a mile in mail truck costs alone, you'll rack up some $80 per stop in yearly expenses for that route. If the postal employee gets $100k in salary+benefits, that's another $400 per stop. You're at almost $500 per stop per year and that's not including their share of the costs of the post office and its equipment and the transportation getting the letters to and from that post-office. Heck, the correspondence to and from places in Alaska only reachable by air are probably hugely distorting in that equation. So if that cost its a yearly cost for a given stop, I find $353 a credible number for an average.

The MEDIAN cost is probably much, much lower.
 
2013-07-24 10:53:52 AM

room at the top: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?


If it wasn't for that damned grocery store spam.  I used to just pick the mail up at the clusterbox while walking the dog, but it's hard to hold a leash and those loose coupons while also picking up poop.  Worth $5 to not have to go run around chasing paper every time the wind gets hold of one of those things.

So yeah, 1% solution.  You jealous?  There are far more useless things I spend $5 a month on....
 
2013-07-24 10:59:19 AM
It would make the job easier for process servers.
 
2013-07-24 11:08:31 AM

Dog Welder: There are many other government agencies looking to be obsolete within the next 75 years, yet NOT ONE of them needs to fund their pension and health benefits for the next 75 years. There is no company and no other government agency in the entire world that is hamstrung with that specific requirement.


Well the USPS had a mandate to be self-sufficient since day one, and the 75 year mandate is a result of that.  Do any other agencies have that as a requirement at all?  I'd expect those that do to be on the hook for their retirement plans also.

Like I said, I think it's fine to expense transportation and shipping infrastructure through taxes, but evidently Congress didn't when they first set up the post office.  The infrastructure stuff should probably be treated separately from residential delivery.  They're spending a huge amount of money on a fleet of employees and vehicles who drive to every mailbox 6 days a week regardless of whether or not there's anything to deliver.  Even if they just took packages to you on demand (and had you schedule pick ups when you were sending something), would they still kill small businesses?  Seems unlikely to me.
 
2013-07-24 11:11:18 AM

Piizzadude: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.


That BS pays the postal services gap. What you need to do is your part. Remove all personal Identifying Information from the BS, stuff it back in that prepaid envelope, and mail it back. Not only does that ensure the USPS get paid, but it keeps someone employed opening that shiat.
 
2013-07-24 11:12:54 AM

Dog Welder: Get rid of the USPS and you will see shipping costs in this company skyrocket.  It will farking kill small businesses and put huge dents into the profit margins of many corporations.


I just mailed out about 75 tubes with photographs in them to customers, via USPS.  Each one cost me about $2.60 to mail.  Had I done the same thing with UPS, each one would have cost $12.27, on average.  Those were event pics, so they were inexpensive.  I'll need to double my prices for an event like that, just to account for postage, if there's no USPS.  And that's assuming UPS wouldn't increase their rates in that circumstance.
 
2013-07-24 11:14:08 AM

ajeoae: As many of you already mentioned. This is another GOP fabricated issue as the real reason the USPS is losing money is the PAEA of 2006. If the USPS didn't have to prefund retiree benefits (which absolutely no other institution or enterprise would do in their right minds) the USPS would actually be turning a profit right now.


You know, I'm not even bothering addressing this from that stand point (and I agree with your point).

From a political standpoint, this is just a dumb move from the GOP because it will piss the hell out of an important voting block for them; old people.  Old people farking HATE the idea of any changes to postal delivery.
 
2013-07-24 11:14:39 AM
Obamacare was bad enough. Actually Romneycare, just renamed to protect the guilty.
Not too sure about Obamamail.
 
2013-07-24 11:29:10 AM

midigod: Dog Welder: Get rid of the USPS and you will see shipping costs in this company skyrocket.  It will farking kill small businesses and put huge dents into the profit margins of many corporations.

I just mailed out about 75 tubes with photographs in them to customers, via USPS.  Each one cost me about $2.60 to mail.  Had I done the same thing with UPS, each one would have cost $12.27, on average.  Those were event pics, so they were inexpensive.  I'll need to double my prices for an event like that, just to account for postage, if there's no USPS.  And that's assuming UPS wouldn't increase their rates in that circumstance.


Oh, you silly event photographers.  You're going to charge me $30 for the digital version of that race photo, then complain about how much it would cost to ship a physical copy?
 
2013-07-24 11:30:19 AM

jayphat: Piizzadude: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piizzadude: Serious question

Can you quit mail service? Just change your mailing address to nothing

I have a buddy who had no mail box, so no address the post office knew about. I don't think you're required to have mail service

/he wanted to start getting mail at that address, so he had to submit a petition for service, and install and have approved a US POSTAL SERVICE APPROVED MAILBOX
//and it better be to spec, mister, or no mail for you

Yeah I got the spec'd thing covered. They stopped delivering mail to us for awhile (when you actually got things that are important) because it leaned too far to one side.

Now a days it is just bills and BS. The bills I get online already, the BS I could do without.

That BS pays the postal services gap. What you need to do is your part. Remove all personal Identifying Information from the BS, stuff it back in that prepaid envelope, and mail it back. Not only does that ensure the USPS get paid, but it keeps someone employed opening that shiat.


I used to stuff other companies' spam into the return envelopes.  The wage slaves at Citibank are getting great deals on DirecTV!
 
2013-07-24 11:38:41 AM

sheep snorter: If its a totally proper cluster box, they have these slots in them that you put all your junk mail, then the mail carrier comes along the next time and takes out all the junk mail and delivers it to the station for recycling.

/Or is that the outgoing mail slot?
//Meh, any old slot in a storm and you don't get busted for littering.


BRILLIANT!!
 
2013-07-24 11:45:52 AM

serial_crusher: room at the top: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?

If it wasn't for that damned grocery store spam.  I used to just pick the mail up at the clusterbox while walking the dog, but it's hard to hold a leash and those loose coupons while also picking up poop.  Worth $5 to not have to go run around chasing paper every time the wind gets hold of one of those things.

So yeah, 1% solution.  You jealous?  There are far more useless things I spend $5 a month on....


Nope, not jealous at all.  Call me a luddite, but I'd rather not have all my personal info digitized and stored.  Sounds like an excellent opportunity to get my identity stolen.
 
2013-07-24 11:53:55 AM

serial_crusher: Oh, you silly event photographers.  You're going to charge me $30 for the digital version of that race photo, then complain about how much it would cost to ship a physical copy?


I think you'll be the one complaining, not me.  I'll be trying to defend paying over 12 bucks to mail it to you, and you'll be the one who doesn't buy it because of that.  So yes, it will absolutely affect every small business in the country that uses USPS.  Not everyone wants a digital copy.  In fact, for this last event, I've sold exactly one download (which is very reasonably priced), and a little over a hundred physical copies.

People can crow all they want about how everything "should" be digital, or "should" be sent electronically, but the fact is, physical mail and physical copies will be with us for at least another 20 years, if not more.
 
2013-07-24 11:57:33 AM

room at the top: serial_crusher: room at the top: serial_crusher: I've been using this service called Outbox and liking it. They take all your mail and scan it, so you just delete the crap and have easy access to important mails from your phone.

Such a 1% solution.  Paying someone to sort and digitize your mail?  Seriously, doesn't that take you 2 minutes a day to do it yourself?

If it wasn't for that damned grocery store spam.  I used to just pick the mail up at the clusterbox while walking the dog, but it's hard to hold a leash and those loose coupons while also picking up poop.  Worth $5 to not have to go run around chasing paper every time the wind gets hold of one of those things.

So yeah, 1% solution.  You jealous?  There are far more useless things I spend $5 a month on....

Nope, not jealous at all.  Call me a luddite, but I'd rather not have all my personal info digitized and stored.  Sounds like an excellent opportunity to get my identity stolen.




Right, like your info isn't all over China and India, right now.
 
2013-07-24 01:02:04 PM
late to post but, my .02

our mail carrier once stopped a burglar as he was entering a side window - and chased him

another mail carrier I know was responsible in spotting a pile up of mail that led to saving the life of an elderly woman who had fallen in the tub and been there for three days, alone

e-mail and e-pay are great but snail mail (and it's carriers) will always have my support -
 
2013-07-24 01:14:25 PM

EngineerAU: TV's Vinnie: I have a suggestion on how the USPS can save some money.

STOP WASTING IT ON SPONSORING DOPERS TO GO ON PRANCY BIKE RIDES IN FRANCE AND ON RETARDED CARTOON CHARACTER STAMPS!

[www.blogcdn.com image 200x268]

Stamps cost a fraction of a penny to print but cost $0.46 to buy for a first class letter. Having different designs cause collectors to buy them at full value but never use them for postage. This is a huge profit for the post office. Whatever they pay for licensing The Simpsons is a small fraction of the money they make off collectors.


And yet, the Simpsons stamps are one of the BIGGEST boondoggles that the USPS has made, having warehouses full of these (which cost them even more money) that cannot be sold anymore because they're no longer at First Class postage value.

The Simpsons stamps are the "Battlefield Earth" of Philately.
 
2013-07-24 01:45:57 PM

midigod: serial_crusher: Oh, you silly event photographers.  You're going to charge me $30 for the digital version of that race photo, then complain about how much it would cost to ship a physical copy?

I think you'll be the one complaining, not me.  I'll be trying to defend paying over 12 bucks to mail it to you, and you'll be the one who doesn't buy it because of that.  So yes, it will absolutely affect every small business in the country that uses USPS.  Not everyone wants a digital copy.  In fact, for this last event, I've sold exactly one download (which is very reasonably priced), and a little over a hundred physical copies.

People can crow all they want about how everything "should" be digital, or "should" be sent electronically, but the fact is, physical mail and physical copies will be with us for at least another 20 years, if not more.


I'm curious, what does "reasonably priced" mean in this context?  I think a lot of photographers think of a high resolution digital photo being worth a lot of money, and consider the price they charge reasonable (after all, I could print it myself a million times over, and you'd rather sell me a million hard copies).

But, all I ever want is a low-res version I can post on Facebook.  If you could make an easy single-click process where I just pay a buck or two to post something directly to facebook, you'd probably see more volume.  Right now I just steal the sample image that has the photographer's watermark all over it, but I'd gladly pay a few bucks to get that watermark off.  I guess maybe some people who would otherwise buy the expensive one might decide the cheapo was good enough, in that case?

/ sorry, off topic, but something I've always wanted to see a photographer do.
 
2013-07-24 01:56:08 PM

StoPPeRmobile: manimal2878: FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.

THis sounds like an exaggeration.

Seems like a low risk crime that will be an even bigger lure.

Guess we will need a shiatton of cameras and drones to patrol them.

Good luck with "registered" mail.


The idea that postal workers are killed often for keys to these boxes is just retarded.  Why would you kill the postal worker for the key to the box.  If you are going to kill him, just take his truck before he puts all the stuff in the boxes.
 
2013-07-24 02:07:30 PM

Dog Welder: ckevinc: Dwindle: I love how Democrats always stand up for the post office, but can't come up with any solution to make it function without doubling prices and junk mail content every two years.

They don't. They stand up for their Unions (and votes).

Maybe if the GOP hadn't passed laws that force the USPS to fund their pension program for the next 75 years, something that no private business practice or any other government agency has to do, the USPS wouldn't be a financial mess.  (Okay, it probably would be a financial mess, but it would only be a fraction of the problem it currently is.)

But do carry on about unions.  It's adorable.


Yep, you are 100% correct. George Bush signed that deal. Still doesn't change the fact the Democrats stand up for the Unions under the guise of supporting the USPS.
And what point were you shooting for?... I forget.
One word for you.  Detroit.
But you go on sticking up for your Union.   It's so attractive.
 
2013-07-24 02:15:29 PM

serial_crusher: I'm curious, what does "reasonably priced" mean in this context?  I think a lot of photographers think of a high resolution digital photo being worth a lot of money, and consider the price they charge reasonable (after all, I could print it myself a million times over, and you'd rather sell me a million hard copies).

But, all I ever want is a low-res version I can post on Facebook.  If you could make an easy single-click process where I just pay a buck or two to post something directly to facebook, you'd probably see more volume.


I can't answer this for all photographers, but I can give you my perspective.  For a full-res download, how much it's worth depends on the use.  If I sell you a d/l for a buck, then the next guy, who has a car with his logo on it that he wants to use in an ad, also gets a full-res image for a dollar.  That simply is never going to happen.  If you want something you can post to FB and you're only willing to pay a buck or two, then take one yourself.  No matter how many participants there are, I can never even break even if I'm selling d/ls for a buck or two, regardless of resolution.

The d/l was thirty bucks, and the one person who bought it, I know for a fact is going to use it in an ad, because he told me he was.  The pics we're talking about are individual pics of their cars at a specific spot that most people wouldn't be able to photograph, so that's where my value came in.  Had I shot his car in a solo session, with the intent of using it in a print ad in a newspaper, it would have cost him over $300, and he still wouldn't have gotten the original file.  So in his case, it wasextremely reasonable.  In your case, it wouldn't have been.  But for a multi-person event, it's difficult to accommodate everyone's differeing situation, so I think I had a good compromise price for print and for d/l.

No offense intended, but if you expect me to do location scouting, two days of travel with the group, website maintenance, mileage, plus my regular business overhead, and pay taxes, for two of your dollars, then you've got another thing coming.   If they want the shot I took, they will be paying for it, or they will not get it, just like any other professional.  You want to spend a hundred bucks painting your house, you need to do it yourself.

BTW, I saw a couple dozen people taking shots of the group pic while I was doing the same thing.  I didn't try to stop them, in fact I encouraged them.  But most ended up buying my shot, because it was better, and they recognized that, and were willing to pay for the quality.  The ones who couldn't tell the difference wouldn't make good customers for me anyway.

/end threadjack
 
2013-07-24 02:19:36 PM

grimlock1972: ThrobblefootSpectre: grimlock1972: Also Clusterboxes are fail when it comes to getting a package in the mail.

No they aren't.  There are a few large boxes in the cluster for packages.  The large size boxes have a communal key.  When you get a package, the carries places that key (to the large box) in your individual box, so only you can open it.  I realize you don't get this because you have somehow never seen it.  But it works just fine.  I've used cluster boxes for decades, and I have no problem receiving large packages in the mail.

I have used them , did so for years until recently, the package box or boxes work fine until ther eis a package too big to fit in to it or more packages then boxes.  mind i realize most larger packages come via fed ex or UPS these days but i have gotten some sizeable one in the mail,


So I take it that your non-cluster mailbox is large enough for said extra large packages? Otherwise I'm not seeing the difference.
 
2013-07-24 02:21:47 PM

Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.


Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.
 
2013-07-24 02:30:19 PM

FLMountainMan: NeedlesslyCanadian: ...subby's never heard of these? These things are everywhere in new housing subdivisions and townhouse complexes.

Yep.  And they make theft very convenient.  A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.


Um, if someone is willing to kill a postal carrier, they can just take all the mail in that truck for the entire route area. Clustered boxes don't make this any more likely or easier.

Okay people, When attempting to manufacture wildly corner case complaints about this, at least try to make sure it makes some shred of sense.
 
2013-07-24 02:30:40 PM

Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.


Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.
 
2013-07-24 02:33:54 PM

OnlyM3: optikeye

Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research Neil D tyson wants a word with you
Not that the facts will stop your derp.


Except, of course, he's not entirely accurate (and I'm being nice, 'cos I like the guy):

www.livescience.com
Source:LiveScience
 
2013-07-24 02:36:21 PM

Lsherm: Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


Absolutely false.  It's PER YEAR.
 
2013-07-24 02:47:02 PM

midigod: Lsherm: Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.

Absolutely false.  It's PER YEAR.


Thanks for the real information.  If it was per stop, then I could say with complete confidence: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
 
2013-07-24 02:47:47 PM

Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


You really understood that to mean every time a postman stops, and not "stop" as in "bus stop"?
 
2013-07-24 02:49:38 PM

Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


Really? So five stops per week, 52 weeks per year, means my house costs 91,780 dollars per year? Wow. That means the 34 thousand houses in my town are costing the USPS more than 3 billion dollars per year? Holy crap. 3 billion dollars just to deliver the mail to a single town in suburban new jersey. no wonder they're having trouble making ends meet.

Or maybe you're just full of shiat
 
2013-07-24 02:49:50 PM

serial_crusher: I'm curious, what does "reasonably priced" mean in this context?  I think a lot of photographers think of a high resolution digital photo being worth a lot of money, and consider the price they charge reasonable (after all, I could print it myself a million times over, and you'd rather sell me a million hard copies).

But, all I ever want is a low-res version I can post on Facebook.  If you could make an easy single-click process where I just pay a buck or two to post something directly to facebook, you'd probably see more volume.  Right now I just steal the sample image that has the photographer's watermark all over it, but I'd gladly pay a few bucks to get that watermark off.  I guess maybe some people who would otherwise buy the expensive one might decide the cheapo was good enough, in that case?

/ sorry, off topic, but something I've always wanted to see a photographer do.


I'm pretty new to the gig, honestly, but my partner and I usually charge by the shoot.  We charge based on distance, if we have to scout the location or not, organizing whatever...  Then, after we process what we have, we put it on the disk, flash drive, or whatever they want it on.  We just have them sign a contract before the shoot that says they have all rights to the pictures, to post where they want, edit as they please or print as they want, as long as they or anyone else doesn't try to claim it as their own work.  If they want prints made, we will arrange that for them very close to cost, just a little extra to cover the hassle to us.  In exchange, we need to ask permission to use the photos in any advertising or our website.

In this day and age, it just seems kind of pointless to try and charge based on the picture.  To paraphrase the internet, once it's out there it's like getting the pee out of the pool.  Rather than chasing down reposts of copyrighted pictures and going broke sending out cease and desist notices, I just get my money up front and don't worry about it.

Of course, the "business" is just big enough that we needed a license and had a lawyer draw up the standard fill-in-the-blank contract form.  We just really work off word of mouth as advertising, and do it as what you'd consider an on the side business for special events like weddings or the occasional birthday/Christmas shoot.  For people making their primary living off photography, I suppose they would want to get every last dime they believed to be owed.  But again, I'd rather not be chasing down every last picture out there and just adapt to the new reality.
 
2013-07-24 03:09:20 PM

manimal2878: StoPPeRmobile: manimal2878: FLMountainMan: A couple of postal workers get robbed/killed each month for the keys to those boxes.

THis sounds like an exaggeration.

Seems like a low risk crime that will be an even bigger lure.

Guess we will need a shiatton of cameras and drones to patrol them.

Good luck with "registered" mail.

The idea that postal workers are killed often for keys to these boxes is just retarded.  Why would you kill the postal worker for the key to the box.  If you are going to kill him, just take his truck before he puts all the stuff in the boxes.


 You know what else is retarded?  Not googling before calling someone a retard.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/02/21/postal-worker-robbed-in-north-m ia mi-dade/

FTFA:
A number of South Florida postal workers have been attacked by thieves who want their mailbox master keys, often to get access to mail so they can get data for identity theft. In the past, thieves wanted access to mail so they could steal checks, but as fewer people use checks, identity theft has become the main reason mail is stolen.
 And in Houston:
http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Police-release-sketch-of-suspect-who- as saulted-robbed-postal-worker-213013841.html

And in LA:

http://northhollywood.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/postal-work er -reportedly-robbed-at-gunpoint-for-mail-d75cfaa4e9
 
2013-07-24 03:28:47 PM

manimal2878: The idea that postal workers are killed often for keys to these boxes is just retarded.


Indeed it is.

 

FLMountainMan:

[link 1]  Postal worker not killed
[link 2]  Postal worker not killed
[link 3]  Postal worker not killed


So, to refute the claim that "the idea that postal workers are killed often is retarded," you post a bunch of links to stories about postal workers NOT getting killed?

FLMountainMan: You know what else is retarded?


I think we all have a pretty good idea at this point
 
2013-07-24 03:41:54 PM

tbeatty: AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Ummm, because poor people are his base?  And he is looking to increase it.


This. Poor people breed faster,vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Same reason he wants 11,000,000 new citizens via amnesty. Democrats will be in power forever, country will fold since nobody wants to work.

Obama is like Edward the Longshanks. "If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out".
 
2013-07-24 03:42:11 PM
I guess I have a "cluster mailbox," since I live in an apartment. It's a bit of a walk, but I need the exercise, so - meh.

What's the big deal? i mean, if you're that worried about mail being stolen, have stuff sent to your office. or a PO box.
 
2013-07-24 04:01:25 PM

TwowheelinTim: Whaaaaa. The town in which I live doesn't have home delivery, or any other kind of boxes outside of the Post Office. Every resident is issued a P.O. box free of charge. I kinda like it for many reasons.

No smashed boxes from bozos who think they're cool is high on the list.


What the...? Mayberry's real?!
 
2013-07-24 04:10:05 PM

GoldSpider: When "cluster mailboxes = third world hardship" you know these people have lost any shred of perspective.


This is what scares me so much. History shows this is one of the symptoms of an empire in freefall: folks of a position customary of a serious bearing taking absurd topics seriously.

/Srsly.
 
2013-07-24 04:12:42 PM

Lagaidh: GoldSpider: When "cluster mailboxes = third world hardship" you know these people have lost any shred of perspective.

This is what scares me so much. History shows this is one of the symptoms of an empire in freefall: folks of a position customary of a serious bearing taking absurd topics seriously.

/Srsly.


Comparing it to third world hardships is ridiculous.  However, there's nothing wrong with being pissed off and fighting back against certain conveniences suddenly being taken away.
 
2013-07-24 04:13:47 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: manimal2878: The idea that postal workers are killed often for keys to these boxes is just retarded.

Indeed it is.

 FLMountainMan:

[link 1]  Postal worker not killed
[link 2]  Postal worker not killed
[link 3]  Postal worker not killed

So, to refute the claim that "the idea that postal workers are killed often is retarded," you post a bunch of links to stories about postal workers NOT getting killed?

FLMountainMan: You know what else is retarded?

I think we all have a pretty good idea at this point


Your critical thinking?
 
2013-07-24 04:23:30 PM
Reclassify going to the mailbox as "physical therapy" for the old people, and boom! Two problems solved.

Here to help.
 
2013-07-24 04:28:46 PM

midigod: serial_crusher: I'm curious, what does "reasonably priced" mean in this context?  I think a lot of photographers think of a high resolution digital photo being worth a lot of money, and consider the price they charge reasonable (after all, I could print it myself a million times over, and you'd rather sell me a million hard copies).

But, all I ever want is a low-res version I can post on Facebook.  If you could make an easy single-click process where I just pay a buck or two to post something directly to facebook, you'd probably see more volume.

I can't answer this for all photographers, but I can give you my perspective.  For a full-res download, how much it's worth depends on the use.  If I sell you a d/l for a buck, then the next guy, who has a car with his logo on it that he wants to use in an ad, also gets a full-res image for a dollar.  That simply is never going to happen.  If you want something you can post to FB and you're only willing to pay a buck or two, then take one yourself.  No matter how many participants there are, I can never even break even if I'm selling d/ls for a buck or two, regardless of resolution.

The d/l was thirty bucks, and the one person who bought it, I know for a fact is going to use it in an ad, because he told me he was.  The pics we're talking about are individual pics of their cars at a specific spot that most people wouldn't be able to photograph, so that's where my value came in.  Had I shot his car in a solo session, with the intent of using it in a print ad in a newspaper, it would have cost him over $300, and he still wouldn't have gotten the original file.  So in his case, it wasextremely reasonable.  In your case, it wouldn't have been.  But for a multi-person event, it's difficult to accommodate everyone's differeing situation, so I think I had a good compromise price for print and for d/l.

No offense intended, but if you expect me to do location scouting, two days of travel with the group, website maintenance, mileag ...


Yeah, $30 seems pretty low for your use case.  I'd figure if somebody was using your photo in an ad (and didn't want the ad to look like ass) they'd spring for the $30 hi-res version.  But I guess if the ad's just going in a printed newspaper or something the $2 low-res facebook one might be good enough.  Probably not worth it to try and enforce a license that would prevent them from using the cheap one for commercial purposes, I guess?

My use case is running races.  I'm there to run and the photo's just a nice to have if it comes out well.  Not really feasible for me to have a friend find good spots in the middle of nowhere to stand around and wait for me.  But also not really worth $30 for the one photo that the photographer comes up with.  I figure with thousands of runners, a significant portion might spend $2 when they otherwise would have just not paid, and it might add up.
 
2013-07-24 04:32:45 PM

Lagaidh: This is what scares me so much. History shows this is one of the symptoms of an empire in freefall: folks of a position customary of a serious bearing taking absurd topics seriously.


Ha!  Ha!

So a government can't cope with the onerous economic burden of delivering mail to houses, a fundamental infrastructural component of civilizations like garbage collection and running water.  And is this a symptom of an "empire in freefall?"  No, the symptom of a failing empire is people having the nerve to complain about it.
 
2013-07-24 05:06:58 PM

Aristocles: heavymetal: tbeatty: heavymetal:
Of course when the privatized mail system gives them less service for more money as the "free market" is wont to do, they will complain about that and blame the government once again.

UPS and FedEx work just fine and they don't leave junk mail.

I always hear that but UPS and FedEx also doesn't do house to house delivery Monday through Saturday.  So until they have that service and expense added to their bottom line, it is an apples to oranges type comparison.

UPS does have Saturday delivery.

/loaded boxes at UPS from 2am to 9am for three years



Yes but it is not residential house to house daily delivery and pick up like the post office does. So until UPS or FedEx  drivers go by every residential mailbox just in case the flag is up and a pick up is needed, whether it is needed or not as a service; the comparison of them to UPS and FedEx is an apples to oranges comparison.FedEx and UPS are package delivery services; they do not provide daily (Monday through Saturday) residential mail service like the USPS does and never has.   You have to call FedEx or UPS to come to your home to get a package for you, the USPS comes by daily.
 
2013-07-24 05:19:43 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.

Really? So five stops per week, 52 weeks per year, means my house costs 91,780 dollars per year? Wow. That means the 34 thousand houses in my town are costing the USPS more than 3 billion dollars per year? Holy crap. 3 billion dollars just to deliver the mail to a single town in suburban new jersey. no wonder they're having trouble making ends meet.


Sorting machines and delivery trucks don't come cheap.  There are overhead costs that need to be covered!!
 
2013-07-24 05:47:43 PM

limeyfellow: Clemkadidlefark: Stupid people to the Left, please.
People who can properly handle mathematics to the Right.
Okay now, what's Pension/Inflating US Dollar x Federal Hiring Practices?

If you came up with any answer other than Unsustainable, here's your sign.

You forgot the variable for congressional rules for assigning 50 years of pension money immediately into an untouchable, non interest bearing fund for every employee the post office hires as a mean for bankrupting the post office. Then again the GOP couldn't even successfully wipe out the post office yet.

Ben Franklin would biatchslap them into oblivion. It is supposed to be a service of national interest, not a for profit business.


Booyah
 
2013-07-24 06:07:03 PM

D135: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.

Really? So five stops per week, 52 weeks per year, means my house costs 91,780 dollars per year? Wow. That means the 34 thousand houses in my town are costing the USPS more than 3 billion dollars per year? Holy crap. 3 billion dollars just to deliver the mail to a single town in suburban new jersey. no wonder they're having trouble making ends meet.

Sorting machines and delivery trucks don't come cheap.  There are overhead costs that need to be covered!!


well, this article has it as per-year, which makes a little more sense, but I can't find anybody who actually showed their work.
 
2013-07-24 06:11:29 PM

gadian: We don't have a cluster box, but my closest two neighbors and I all have boxes right next to each other at the end of the shared driveway.  The driveway is about a mile long and it's about a mile to the next closest little row of mailboxes, so I feel like we're meeting the PO halfway with this.  The farker still likes to leave packages sitting on top of the boxes though, with his half-drunk morning cup of coffee.  Won't even waste a delivery slip and take the package back to the post office.


USPS carriers are not allowed to go off of their route more than 1 mile (both ways) even down driveways.
So he leaves them at your box: you biatch about it.
Or he leaves a notice and takes them back to the P.O.: you still biatch about it.
It's a no win situation with some customers.

USPS Rules and Regulations: They exist for a reason.
 
2013-07-24 07:03:18 PM

Lsherm: Crapinoleum: Lsherm: log_jammin: Lsherm: Too expensive for the result.

riiight.

It costs $353 per stop for a delivery in most American cities, taking into account such things as salaries and cost of transport. By contrast, curbside mail box delivery costs $224, while cluster boxes cost $160, according to a report from the Postal Service's Office of Inspector General.

You're a wastrel or an idiot.

Per day?  Per year?  There's a lot of missing information there, Lou, but it makes for impressive scare mongering.

Per stop, it's right there.  As in, every time a postman stops to deliver mail, that's what it costs for each unit.


you're not a wastrel. just a run of the mill idiot.
 
2013-07-24 08:47:34 PM

bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.


Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?
 
2013-07-24 09:09:58 PM
The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.
 
2013-07-24 10:30:51 PM

Barfmaker: God forbid you'd have to walk down the street for your mail.

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You know how many people i see drive to these things?

/the one thing you can access in suburbia by foot
 
2013-07-24 11:31:50 PM

hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?


Because I don't want to have to pay for it?

Also, if the USPS was gone, maybe the IRS and the red light cameras would use a more modern form of communications like smoke signals or carrier pigeons.
 
2013-07-24 11:48:25 PM

serial_crusher: hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?

Because I don't want to have to pay for it?

Also, if the USPS was gone, maybe the IRS and the red light cameras would use a more modern form of communications like smoke signals or carrier pigeons.


The USPS is funded solely via postage and stamps.  You don't pay for anything.
 
2013-07-25 12:31:20 AM

Thunderpipes: And yet Democrats are insistent nobody has their own home, or own car, or own land....


Hippiecrits. Come on guys, seriously?


You're using this alt again?
 
2013-07-25 12:54:42 AM

lewismarktwo: serial_crusher: hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?

Because I don't want to have to pay for it?

Also, if the USPS was gone, maybe the IRS and the red light cameras would use a more modern form of communications like smoke signals or carrier pigeons.

The USPS is funded solely via postage and stamps.  You don't pay for anything.

 Sure, not until people stop buying stamps, but a bunch of former federal employees still want the retirement benefits they were promised.  Then the magic stamp fairy is fortunately going to come and buy enough stamps to support 75 years of retirement benefits.


how come the USPS can be fully supported by stamps, but a private company would have to charge a million dollars per stamp if it took their place?
 
2013-07-25 01:32:44 AM

Frederick: The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.


Why?
 
2013-07-25 02:07:07 AM

TommyymmoT: Frederick: The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.

Why?


Because it is not the primary mode of long distance communication it once was.  The postal service is not as valuable as it used to be.
 
2013-07-25 02:31:57 AM
It was never meant to "turn a profit".
Any more than the military, police, firefighters etc.
It is a public service that even companies like Fedex,  UPS, and DHL use to deliver to areas that they find unprofitable to cover.
The post office is mentioned in the constitution,.
The other entities I mentioned, are not.
 
2013-07-25 03:05:23 AM
Grouping of 4 boxes at the end of my lane (corresponding to 4 houses)... and I just discovered that the StreetView car came by on a day we had outgoing mail (flag up).
 
2013-07-25 03:43:23 AM

glmorrs1: Elandriel: I've been thinking we should stop considering the USPS as a business that is intended to turn a tidy profit.  The situation isn't the same as it used to be earlier in its day.  There are way more people, way more mail, and more carriers etc are needed.  Adding that volume to an enterprise like UPS or FedEx or whatever would likely result in the same outcome because of the scope and coverage of the USPS.  It would be better if we would treat it as an expense; it is a good investment and it brings real value to society.  Nobody's biatching about firemen not turning a profit, or the military or whatever.

My aunt isn't quite a tea bagger, but she does watch a lot of Fox News and listen to Glen Beck everyday, and she works as a mail carrier for the post office. She's always biatching about how much money it loses and how everything government does should at least break even if not turn a profit. A couple months ago she was on her little tirade, so I asked her how was the fire dept supposed to earn money, should they send a bill afterwards to the people whose houses they save? She thought it was a good idea. Said if they can't afford to pay for it, why are they entitled to it.

/My brother ended that conversation by telling her that idea was "farking retarded", and asked if she knew what satire meant.
//She hasn't really spoken to us since then


I have a cousin in the USPS that is exactly the same way...funny, a lot of my friends in government service are the most anti government nuts out there...yet they love the pay and benefits.
 
2013-07-25 04:13:10 AM

Thunderpipes: tbeatty: AdolfOliverPanties: optikeye: Geeze...The GOP is really trying to drive America into third world country territory. No space program, no education, no roads, no research.

Yep, and the massive concentration of wealth at the very top.  It is shameful they've been able to take their plan as far as they have already.

Meanwhile you have complete ignorant farksticks saying Obama is deliberately trying to tear the country apart (they never do give a reason why he may want to do that though; they just say that he is.)

Ummm, because poor people are his base?  And he is looking to increase it.

This. Poor people breed faster,vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Same reason he wants 11,000,000 new citizens via amnesty. Democrats will be in power forever, country will fold since nobody wants to work.

Obama is like Edward the Longshanks. "If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out".


Those 11000000 people that they are proposing amnesty for are probably Hispanic in descent...they can, have, and will work harder than anyone or anything that has ever dropped from the pasty, foul, white trash loins of your people.

/be careful at sturgis this year...heard the poor, real bikers love to roll you doughy wanna be's
 
2013-07-25 06:00:47 AM
I say raise the rates.  That, and quit letting business use bulk mail to send out crappy fliers nobody wants.  How about that?  It just might save a little.  Pennies before dollars and all that.  It would still be cheaper to pay a buck to send a letter than to hand deliver it from California to New York.
 
2013-07-25 08:07:45 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I say raise the rates.  That, and quit letting business use bulk mail to send out crappy fliers nobody wants


bulk mail is the biggest profit maker for the post office.  they would be up a creek without it.
 
2013-07-25 09:31:28 AM

serial_crusher: hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?

Because I don't want to have to pay for it?


That's a bit sociopathic, though, isn't it?  "Why do my brothers and sisters get Christmas presents too?  I don't use them."

But sure, we'll cancel the government service that you don't use---and then we'll stop maintaining your local interstate highways, because there's someone in Hawaii that never uses them.
 
2013-07-25 10:21:26 AM

Frederick: TommyymmoT: Frederick: The postal service should be scaled back in a reasonable way.

Why?

Because it is not the primary mode of long distance communication it once was.  The postal service is not as valuable as it used to be.


===============

The Postal Service has been trying to modernize, and adjust to new market conditions, for some time now and had been sabotaged repeatedly by the Republicans.    Here's an example:  I used to live in a "good Republican" Podunk town in North Jersey, not too far from NYC.   The town post office handled mail for the town where I lived, as well as a neighboring town.  The postal facility in my town was very old and could no longer handle the volume of mail for the two towns it served, so the USPS built a shiny modern facility in the neighboring town, about a mile from the original postal facility.   All the mail sorting/handling jobs were transferred to the new facility, leaving just counter service at the old PO.  After a while the USPS determined that keeping just counter service at the old facility was a money losing proposition, so they attempted to close the the counter at the old office, and transfer everything to the new building less than a mile away.   The local Republicans went berserk.  They claimed that it would be a huge burden to the old people living in town...."Will no one think of the geezers!".  The reality is that the town was fairly well to do, I've never seen anyone actually walk to the old post office.  Well, after the local Republicans put pressure on the state Republicans, who in turn put pressure on people on Washington, the office remained open even though it loses money every year.

The Republicans don't want to see the Postal Service righted,  they have engineered it to fail so they can GIVE it to their Wall St. and private equity friends.
 
2013-07-25 10:55:53 AM

Xcott: serial_crusher: hacksaw_jd: bmihura: The ONLY reason I even look at snail mail, once per year, is to check for IRS letters or red light camera letters.

Otherwise I have no use for snail mail and wish it would go away.

Just because you have no use for the mail does not mean others don't. Why do you wish for it to go away if you don't use it?

Because I don't want to have to pay for it?

That's a bit sociopathic, though, isn't it?  "Why do my brothers and sisters get Christmas presents too?  I don't use them."

But sure, we'll cancel the government service that you don't use---and then we'll stop maintaining your local interstate highways, because there's someone in Hawaii that never uses them.


It's not just an "I don't use it" thing.  It's obsolete.  If we had flying cars and teleporters, you'd betcha I'd be arguing against spending billions of dollars each year maintaining ancient highways with only a handful of old cars driving on them.
 
2013-07-25 12:01:17 PM

serial_crusher: It's not just an "I don't use it" thing.  It's obsolete.


I'd say that a service that delivers 132 Billion pieces of mail a year is far from obsolete.
 
2013-07-25 01:02:55 PM

midigod: serial_crusher: It's not just an "I don't use it" thing.  It's obsolete.

I'd say that a service that delivers 132 Billion pieces of mail a year is far from obsolete.


Don't cloud the issues with the facts.
 
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