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2013-07-23 06:23:46 PM  
Looks like the last time I saw a line of guys trying to get up in Subby's mom. They were packin me in.
 
2013-07-23 06:24:52 PM  
*'em, not me.

Damn you iPhone, that was unintentionally way more funny than it was supposed to be.

/drink
 
2013-07-23 06:25:29 PM  
I can't imagine living like that day after day.
 
2013-07-23 06:30:45 PM  

Tony_Pepperoni: I can't imagine living like that day after day.


it's where i actually live. and i do go on it. i try to avoid peak times.
 
2013-07-23 07:08:10 PM  
www.reactiongifs.com
 
2013-07-23 07:10:00 PM  
Link to video of Japanese train police shoulder checking people to get them far enough into the train for the doors to close.
 
2013-07-23 07:16:17 PM  
Eff that ess.
 
2013-07-23 07:18:43 PM  
When I was in Beijing it was not that crowded, anywhere.  Granted I didn't ride the subway... but every other place was no more crowded than any large city.
 
2013-07-23 07:21:57 PM  
"How about those subways in China?

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Have you heard about this, have you?

Well, they are SO crowded that {insert shiatty joke here}
 
2013-07-23 07:39:43 PM  
Seems like it would make more sense to queue people rather than have them mass at the doors like that.  That can't possibly be safe.
 
2013-07-23 07:48:23 PM  
I'll place a call around the world, operator get me Beijing-jing-jing-jing!

/bananaphone!
 
2013-07-23 07:48:28 PM  
I really hate when people do this. If the train is full and you won't let people off who want to get off, how do you think there's magically going to be room for you to get on?
Accordingly, when I'm stepping off the train, if someone tries to push through me to get on, I just fall on them.
 
2013-07-23 08:06:57 PM  
I'm supposed to go to Hong Kong and Shang Hai early next year.  Is it that bad there too?
 
2013-07-23 08:09:19 PM  

Elegy: Looks like the last time I saw a line of guys trying to get up in Subby's mom. They were packin me in.


Elegy: *'em, not me.

Damn you iPhone, that was unintentionally way more funny than it was supposed to be.

/drink


Yeah, I'm gonna have take a screenshot of that. :-)
 
2013-07-23 08:14:43 PM  

Theaetetus: I really hate when people do this. If the train is full and you won't let people off who want to get off, how do you think there's magically going to be room for you to get on?
Accordingly, when I'm stepping off the train, if someone tries to push through me to get on, I just fall on them.


We can't all weight in at 450 lbs and only stand 5"8 man.
 
2013-07-23 08:20:47 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: When I was in Beijing it was not that crowded, anywhere.   Granted I didn't ride the subway... but every other place was no more crowded than any large city.


Cool story
 
2013-07-23 08:23:18 PM  
most of the stations have glass walls, and double doors. the general behaviour of people is still the major problem. no idea about common courtesy. its all shoving, and me first. effing savages.
 
2013-07-23 08:36:56 PM  
who farted?
 
2013-07-23 08:39:05 PM  

Gilligann: The All-Powerful Atheismo: When I was in Beijing it was not that crowded, anywhere.   Granted I didn't ride the subway... but every other place was no more crowded than any large city.

Cool story


Maybe they just have a shiatty subway system.  Ever think of that?

You would expect large crowds at other places too if it was THAT BAD.

/the pollution there is worse than any other place in the world that I've been, and I've been to Cleveland.
 
2013-07-23 08:44:24 PM  
Livestock.
 
2013-07-23 08:53:54 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I've been to Cleveland.


Cool story
 
2013-07-23 09:04:31 PM  
YouTube: "Beijing Subway, Line 13, morning rush hour - just a little crowded"
img.youtube.com

by BejingCream, Published on Jul 22, 2013
July 18, 7:30 am, likely the Xierqi subway station on Line 13.

Beijing Subway Can Get A Wee Crowded In The Mornings
What you are looking at is Beijing Subway's Line 13 on the morning of Thursday, July 18, around 7:30. It's likely the Xierqi station - a picture of which, tweeted out by Joe Xu, we linked to on Friday - which is a transfer station and one of the cleaner, better-looking ones in the system. It has, like other stations in Beijing's vast underground transportation network, built-in artificial bottlenecks intended to relieve congestion in the form of gates and narrow staircases. On some occasions, however, those fail. For you see, in China, sometimes there are simply too many goddamn people.
China is explained for you in this one video. Want to know why this country is the way it is? People. Many of them. Why is the pollution so bad? Too many people. Why are people pushy? Too many people. Why is there no soft power? The government censors too much shiat and suppresses expression because they're afraid of the people - the people of which there are too goddamn many.
We've circled the Xierqi station below in red, a color that is what one sees, proverbially, amid such congestion, and a fine representation of hell, a circle in which is surely constructed with Xierqi station on Beijing Subway Line 13 as a model.
 
2013-07-23 09:12:48 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Seems like it would make more sense to queue people rather than have them mass at the doors like that.  That can't possibly be safe.


The Chinese have not yet developed queueing technology.
 
2013-07-23 09:19:00 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Seems like it would make more sense to queue people rather than have them mass at the doors like that.  That can't possibly be safe.

The Chinese have not yet developed queueing technology.


lmao...this is absolutely correct
 
2013-07-23 09:22:17 PM  

AeAe: I'm supposed to go to Hong Kong and Shang Hai early next year.  Is it that bad there too?


HK gets busy, but nothing like this bad. And even at its worst, the people are much, much more polite.

Shanghai I don't know about.

I used to take the Guangzhou metro everyday and, yeah, it was like this sometimes. The problem seems to have been that the urban planners who designed these things back in the mid-90s or whenever simply didn't realize so many people would be taking the subway every day. They just didn't forsee it being this bad -- that's the only explanation I can think of.
 
2013-07-23 09:23:50 PM  
That is sad. People shouldn't have to live like that.
 
2013-07-23 09:36:01 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The Chinese have not yet developed queueing technology.


You would think they knew about waiting in lines from the lean years under State Store Communism where just the rumor of something being available would cause long lines to form, as was the case in the USSR when I visited.

Then again as the BejingCream article I quoted above says those governments really don't trust their people - I also saw in the USSR artificial choke points built in (to prevent the rapid movement of crowds) but unless queuing is government enforced it isn't observed.
 
2013-07-23 09:53:19 PM  
Holy Shiat!  Why dont these people just designate an entrance door and exit door?  You can flush the whole compartment and fill it up quickly that way without having to shove your way in and out.
 
2013-07-23 09:53:36 PM  
Wow.  And I thought the 6 train was bad.

/it is, just not that awful
//N/Q for me
 
2013-07-23 09:58:57 PM  
HairBolus: YouTube: "Beijing Subway, Line 13, morning rush hour - just a little crowded"
[img.youtube.com image 320x180]


Live Leak: because where else can you find youtube videos?
 
2013-07-23 10:01:15 PM  

HairBolus: AverageAmericanGuy: The Chinese have not yet developed queueing technology.

You would think they knew about waiting in lines from the lean years under State Store Communism where just the rumor of something being available would cause long lines to form, as was the case in the USSR when I visited.

Then again as the BejingCream article I quoted above says those governments really don't trust their people - I also saw in the USSR artificial choke points built in (to prevent the rapid movement of crowds) but unless queuing is government enforced it isn't observed.


Ah, you see, you assume that they have already figured out how to form lines. This is not the case.

Everything is a mad rush to be first.
 
2013-07-23 10:07:47 PM  
I would go insane in a day.
 
2013-07-23 10:23:53 PM  
Never had that problem in Best Korea.
 
2013-07-23 10:29:54 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I would go insane in a day.


Indeed.  How are mass shootings/bombings not rampant?
 
2013-07-23 10:41:35 PM  
Yes in the same place it is a lot of population.... And birth rate the highest in the world.
 
2013-07-23 10:46:10 PM  

some_beer_drinker: most of the stations have glass walls, and double doors. the general behaviour of people is still the major problem. no idea about common courtesy. its all shoving, and me first. effing savages.


It's like the old Chinese ladies on the 30 Stockton in SF. Better not get in their way. No sense of courtesy or common sense traffic flow: it would be easier to get on if you let people who want to get off first. But know, it's all about "I WANT THAT SEAT".

Interestingly Danes don't queue well for some reason, they too crowd onto busses. But once on, they are very courteous and stay out of each other's way.
 
2013-07-23 10:50:06 PM  

Lor M. Ipsum: Indeed. How are mass shootings/bombings not rampant?


You should really check out the BejingCream site I linked to above; There are strong controls to prevent citizens from getting guns or bombs or even knives.:

"Beijing Bans Sale Of Knives (Again) After Latest Stabbing Spree"

Beijing Times reports via SCMP that supermarkets in Beijing have been instructed to stop selling knives. This comes on the heels of a city-wide crackdown on "illegal weapons," SCMP reports, which led to 1,123 knives and 327 guns being seized. We do wonder what exactly would make a knife illegal.

The order was in response to two stabbing incidents in Beijing this past week. On July 17, a mentally deranged man from Yishui, Shandong province killed two people with a knife, including an American, outside Chaoyang Joy City Shopping Mall. Five days later, a local man killed a woman and seriously injured a two-and-a-half-year-old child outside a Carrefour on Malian Road.

The city has previously restricted knife-buying on more than one occassion. In January 2012, knife-buyers were required to show their ID cards. Later that same year, knives were banned ahead of the 18th Chinese Communist Party Congress, along with other restrictions that people may or may not have followed (taxis had to keep their windows up, etc.). And in September 2009, the city temporarily halted knife sales in response to a pair of stabbings.


...
 
2013-07-23 10:58:45 PM  
Has it ever farkin' occurred to them to let people off first?

Maybe this explains why Chinese immigrants in Toronto (I'm not talking all Chinese people, just a lot of the non-English speaking ones) seem to do the same thing here. 

Jesus Christ that's annoying!
 
2013-07-23 10:59:20 PM  

some_beer_drinker: most of the stations have glass walls, and double doors. the general behaviour of people is still the major problem. no idea about common courtesy. its all shoving, and me first. effing savages.


Exactly.
 
2013-07-23 11:02:16 PM  

danielscissorhands: Has it ever farkin' occurred to them to let people off first?

Maybe this explains why Chinese immigrants in Toronto (I'm not talking all Chinese people, just a lot of the non-English speaking ones) seem to do the same thing here. 

Jesus Christ that's annoying!


no shiat, eh?
 
2013-07-23 11:04:47 PM  

AeAe: I'm supposed to go to Hong Kong and Shang Hai early next year.  Is it that bad there too?


Don't know about Hong Kong, but Shanghai isn't that bad.... but it is still very bad. I stuck to taxis after a few of those rides. Of course the taxi drivers were maniacs, but at least I always have room.
 
2013-07-23 11:07:43 PM  
AverageAmericanGuy:

Everything is a mad rush to be first.

Every time I go to Shanghai this si the part that frustrates me the most.

/No trips planned for at least a few months!!
 
2013-07-23 11:19:43 PM  
Perfect setup for an epidemic.
 
2013-07-23 11:22:12 PM  

Theaetetus: I really hate when people do this. If the train is full and you won't let people off who want to get off, how do you think there's magically going to be room for you to get on?
Accordingly, when I'm stepping off the train, if someone tries to push through me to get on, I just fall on them.


No one ever said Asians were good at math.
 
2013-07-23 11:42:55 PM  
One thing Francis Fukuyama writes about in his latest book, The Origins of Political Order, (written after he stopped being a NeoCon shill and started making sense again), is that the Chinese have never had a "rule of law".

The evolution of many "advanced" cultures have progressed from a stage where whatever the Emporor/Dictator says is the law is the law to a stage that where laws are written down and even the leaders have to obey them. In such advanced societies citizens can become loyal to the laws and internalize them, and even be more loyal to the laws than to the leaders. (In the US the Constitution is supposed to have overriding loyalty).

China has never has a rule of law. The primary loyalty of every Chinese is to their extended family and to leaders in the government only if they help the family. There is no internalized culture of being nice to strangers (outside of a business relation) and treating them as you would like them to treat you.

I think this family-centric perspective arose from the frequent famines where any help you gave to an outsider might cause a family member to die.

The Chinese still seem to be at the stage where social norms have to be enforced with punishment rather than the culture realizing and internalizing frictionless ways to behave..
 
2013-07-24 12:20:12 AM  

AeAe: I'm supposed to go to Hong Kong and Shang Hai early next year.  Is it that bad there too?


Hong Kong is pretty good.  At some point, the Brits appeared to have thought the people there how to queue.
 
2013-07-24 12:29:00 AM  

AeAe: I'm supposed to go to Hong Kong and Shang Hai early next year.  Is it that bad there too?


Shanghai is nice, considering that many of their lines were built within the last few years, especially to the east of the river. Trains were clean and fast. What was annoying was that at every station at the turnstiles, you have to put your bag on an x-ray like at the airport.

Only bad part about the city was dealing with the less educated classes, who lack any form of social awareness or training.
 
2013-07-24 12:30:07 AM  

ApatheticMonkey: AeAe: I'm supposed to go to Hong Kong and Shang Hai early next year.  Is it that bad there too?

Hong Kong is pretty good.  At some point, the Brits appeared to have thought the people there how to queue.


Those crazy Brits with their telepathic powers!
 
2013-07-24 12:36:59 AM  
lohphat:

It's like the old Chinese ladies on the 30 Stockton in SF. Better not get in their way. No sense of courtesy or common sense traffic flow: it would be easier to get on if you let people who want to get off first. But know, it's all about "I WANT THAT SEAT".

The old Chinese women are why i refuse to transfer at Canal Street anymore between the N/Q/R and the 6. They will throw elbows. They will push on before people can get off. And all for that magical seat. Even if they are only going two stops, they NEED that seat. It is, after all, the perfect time to cut their fingernails.

I actually, one glorious day, beat one of them out to the seat one day with a head-bob and a triple-deke. She was giving me dagger-eyes the entire rest of the ride. It was wonderful.

On the other hand, I've never seen such behavior from a Chinese man. they are like ninjas i guess. you dont even see them move. They save their rudeness for the street level, where they like to spit everywhere.
 
2013-07-24 12:49:58 AM  
Five points at 4pm is twice as crowded, we get on and off ten times faster because we have basic educations.
This is why I'll never be afraid of China.  The whole country is retarded.
 
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