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2013-07-23 04:08:10 PM
Or "Completely Worthless POS Directed By Zach Snyder that I still saw on opening day" by The Internet

FTFS
 
2013-07-23 04:08:34 PM
It will be called "$"
 
2013-07-23 04:12:07 PM
Superman's gonna be the "bad" guy. I think the importance of having Harry Lennix read those lines was because of what he said to Superman at the end of the movie.
 
2013-07-23 04:12:51 PM
Is Zach the new M. Night Shamalon-ding-dong?
 
2013-07-23 04:25:11 PM
I liked Man of Steel, and I hope they can pull this movie off well, but in Man of Steel they didn't use kryptonite as a weakness for Superman, so what is going to be Batman's equalizer?
 
2013-07-23 04:41:04 PM

NightOwl2255: Is Zach the new M. Night Shamalon-ding-dong?


No, generally his movies are pretty fun. And they are always visually interesting. Watchmen was a good adaptation, 300 was groovy. MOS was pretty darn good. Only the whiny fanboys, who roam the internist, dislike his films.

Lots of people biatch about movies like Transformers, Star Wars Prequels, Pirates of the Caribbean, but the fact is these movies were entertaining. Most people don't go to movies expecting to be informed or moved deeply. They just want to see cool stuff, laugh, have a thrill or two, maybe get a little scared.

M. Night Shamalan became pretentious. It showed in his work.
 
2013-07-23 04:41:39 PM

nmrsnr: I liked Man of Steel, and I hope they can pull this movie off well, but in Man of Steel they didn't use kryptonite as a weakness for Superman, so what is going to be Batman's equalizer?


Bat nipples
 
2013-07-23 04:48:29 PM

NightOwl2255: Is Zach the new M. Night Shamalon-ding-dong?


More six pack abs.
 
2013-07-23 04:49:40 PM

naughtyrev: Superman's gonna be the "bad" guy. I think the importance of having Harry Lennix read those lines was because of what he said to Superman at the end of the movie.


The "Dark Knight Returns" scenario is the only one that really makes sense.  Superman becomes a national weapon, Bats is made a enemy of the state, Superman has to take him in.
 
2013-07-23 04:51:04 PM

ArkAngel: nmrsnr: I liked Man of Steel, and I hope they can pull this movie off well, but in Man of Steel they didn't use kryptonite as a weakness for Superman, so what is going to be Batman's equalizer?

Bat nipples


And yet the Joker rarely pulled a purple nurple on him.
 
2013-07-23 04:54:46 PM
Adam West as Batman. Ben Affleck as George Reeves as Superman. Nicholas Cage as the Superman he was going to play in the Tim Burton version. The Rock as Studio-Focus-Grouped Batman of Undetermined Racial Background that will Test Well in Overseas Markets. Heavily CGI-d Stock Footage of Lawrence Tierney as Retired Frank Miller Batman. David Schwimmer as Aquaman Falling Down the Stairs for the Entire Movie. Anna Kendrick, Cobie Smulders and Megan Fox Having a Hot-Oil Lingerie Ticklefight over Who Gets To Be Wonder Woman. Script Dictated to Bruce Vilanch High on Amyl Nitrate Poppers by Auto-Erotically Asphyxiated Joe Eszterhas over a Zack Morris Brick Phone, then Bing Translated from English to Latvian back to English. A Robin Dies Every Reel.

SUMMER 2015!
 
2013-07-23 05:29:42 PM

nmrsnr: I liked Man of Steel, and I hope they can pull this movie off well, but in Man of Steel they didn't use kryptonite as a weakness for Superman, so what is going to be Batman's equalizer?


Didn't they?  I mean, not specifically "Kryptonite", but Krypton-like conditions left him weakened, establishing that Kryptonian elements are harmful to him.
 
2013-07-23 05:44:03 PM

timujin: nmrsnr: I liked Man of Steel, and I hope they can pull this movie off well, but in Man of Steel they didn't use kryptonite as a weakness for Superman, so what is going to be Batman's equalizer?

Didn't they?  I mean, not specifically "Kryptonite", but Krypton-like conditions left him weakened, establishing that Kryptonian elements are harmful to him.


This. And they didn't rule out its appearance later.
 
2013-07-23 05:46:18 PM
Here is a possible plot: Bruce Wayne, along with Lex Luthor, win major contracts to rebuild Metropolis.  (Real estate!).  Bruce obviously blames Superman for the carnage, so makes it Batman's mission to take him down.  Meanwhile, Lex is using the opportunity, with Harry Lennix, to create a "Cadmus" project to fight alien incursions.  This has pretty good public support but Clark & Lois investigate and find out that Luthor is power mad (well duh!) and wants to essentially create a shadow government/army/etc that is beholden only to him.  About the time Batman and Superman have their second showdown, Batman is convinced by Superman/Clark what Luthor really is and work together to take him down.  I think there is probably another "bad guy" that ends up taking the fall, leaving Luthor unscathed/in power for the inevitable Justice League movie.
 
2013-07-23 05:51:09 PM
languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu

/officially obligatory in these threads
 
2013-07-23 05:56:43 PM
Actually sounds like they could take a page from Smallville (though it wasn't Batman, it was Green Arrow, et. al.) that now that Superman has revealed himself, more superheroes start revealing THEMselves...most notably Batman.

But Since Superman did it FIRST, he sees it as HIS job, whereas he sees the other heros as just "vigilantes"

So it could be Superman vs. Batman, who Superman sees as just a street vigilante.

They fight each other for one reason or another until a common enemy arises (Brainiac) and Superman/the Government now realize that maybe Batman (and the other heroes) aren't necessarily a bad thing.

Hugs and kisses, Justice League formed!
 
2013-07-23 05:57:17 PM

RyansPrivates: Here is a possible plot: Bruce Wayne, along with Lex Luthor, win major contracts to rebuild Metropolis.  (Real estate!).  Bruce obviously blames Superman for the carnage, so makes it Batman's mission to take him down.  Meanwhile, Lex is using the opportunity, with Harry Lennix, to create a "Cadmus" project to fight alien incursions.  This has pretty good public support but Clark & Lois investigate and find out that Luthor is power mad (well duh!) and wants to essentially create a shadow government/army/etc that is beholden only to him.  About the time Batman and Superman have their second showdown, Batman is convinced by Superman/Clark what Luthor really is and work together to take him down.  I think there is probably another "bad guy" that ends up taking the fall, leaving Luthor unscathed/in power for the inevitable Justice League movie.


I think you have the players reversed,

Have Batman investigating the apparently squeaky clean Luthor during his remodelling, looking for underhanded nastiness and Superman being used by Lex, Metropolis and a need to improve his PR try to take down Bats.

They fight, then they team up...maybe Bats saves Lois or something and Supes goes....hey, this guy ain't half bad.
 
2013-07-23 05:59:03 PM
Why not BatSuperMan?
 
2013-07-23 06:00:05 PM
According to screenwriter David S. Goyer, the "Man of Steel" sequel will be called either "Batman vs. Superman" or "Superman vs. Batman."

Jesus, they sat up all night thinking of THAT one, didn't they?
 
2013-07-23 06:06:07 PM
Maybe he will ask Scott Snyder for help.
 
2013-07-23 06:10:09 PM

NightOwl2255: Is Zach the new M. Night Shamalon-ding-dong?


No, he's the new "Director That Makes Decent Movies But Doesn't Make Them The Way The Internet Likes"
 
2013-07-23 06:10:15 PM
can someone please tell subby that it's spelled 'Zack' with a 'k'.

I know he gets off on trolling the entertainment tab, but at least learn the f*cking names of the people.

same subby, same stupid headline as a few days ago when this was first announced.
 
2013-07-23 06:11:09 PM
 
2013-07-23 06:12:21 PM

Mikey1969: According to screenwriter David S. Goyer, the "Man of Steel" sequel will be called either "Batman vs. Superman" or "Superman vs. Batman."

Jesus, they sat up all night thinking of THAT one, didn't they?


It's David Goyer and Zach Snyder.  Does anything else need to be said?
 
2013-07-23 06:12:38 PM
Nope, totally disagree. 

Watchmen was a total mess, Sucker Punch was like swimming in a bowl of mixed vomit stolen from other artists, Man of Steel? Sure, if you like the fact that thousands were killed and Zod did some very unlike-Zod things. It was a Superman movie, not my Superman.

So, no. ZS is about one rung up from Michael Bay. Needing more Zach is like asking for more herpes.
 
2013-07-23 06:22:28 PM

Mentat: NightOwl2255: Is Zach the new M. Night Shamalon-ding-dong?

No, he's the new "Director That Makes Decent Movies But Doesn't Make Them The Way The Internet Likes"


nobody makes movies the internet likes.
 
2013-07-23 06:26:58 PM

Mikey1969: According to screenwriter David S. Goyer, the "Man of Steel" sequel will be called either "Batman vs. Superman" or "Superman vs. Batman."

Jesus, they sat up all night thinking of THAT one, didn't they?


Probably a committee of twenty execs. Thank god they didn't try and make do with only nineteen. It might have sucked.
 
2013-07-23 06:28:35 PM

Znuh: Sucker Punch was like swimming in a bowl of mixed vomit stolen from other artists


I thought it was a fun and pretty video game, but I wasn't a fan of how the plot railroads you along to the end of the game.
 
2013-07-23 06:31:04 PM
Man of Steel was excellent.. Watchmen as well, if a little too bloody for me at times.  300.. I still haven't seen it all the way from the beginning, just caught some on cable a few times, but it's visually very nice.
 
2013-07-23 06:31:58 PM

Znuh: Nope, totally disagree.

Watchmen was a total mess, Sucker Punch was like swimming in a bowl of mixed vomit stolen from other artists, Man of Steel? Sure, if you like the fact that thousands were killed and Zod did some very unlike-Zod things. It was a Superman movie, not my Superman.

So, no. ZS is about one rung up from Michael Bay. Needing more Zach is like asking for more herpes.


Watchmen got about as faithful an adaptation as it was ever going to get.

Man of Steel was exactly what fanboys claimed they wanted after Superman Returns came out and they biatched that Superman was too much of a one-dimensional Boy Scout. Now, those same people are complaining that he wasn't a one-dimensional Boy Scout.

I will agree that Sucker Punch was an unfocused mess, but I'd still take Snyder over Whedon in the director's chair. Nothing kills a superhero movie like making your superheroes interact like catty teenage girls.
 
2013-07-23 06:36:46 PM
Snyder is still a relatively young director who is only just now finding his voice.  A lot of the Snyderisms that people complain about weren't even in Man of Steel, likely because he had Nolan as a guiding hand.  He's not a prefect director, but he's clearly passionate about his movies and tries to do innovative things with them.
 
2013-07-23 06:38:46 PM

SilentStrider: Mentat: NightOwl2255: Is Zach the new M. Night Shamalon-ding-dong?

No, he's the new "Director That Makes Decent Movies But Doesn't Make Them The Way The Internet Likes"

nobody makes movies the internet likes.


Speaking for the internet, we like Lebowski.
 
2013-07-23 06:39:08 PM

stoli n coke: Znuh: Nope, totally disagree.

Watchmen was a total mess, Sucker Punch was like swimming in a bowl of mixed vomit stolen from other artists, Man of Steel? Sure, if you like the fact that thousands were killed and Zod did some very unlike-Zod things. It was a Superman movie, not my Superman.

So, no. ZS is about one rung up from Michael Bay. Needing more Zach is like asking for more herpes.

Watchmen got about as faithful an adaptation as it was ever going to get.

Man of Steel was exactly what fanboys claimed they wanted after Superman Returns came out and they biatched that Superman was too much of a one-dimensional Boy Scout. Now, those same people are complaining that he wasn't a one-dimensional Boy Scout.

I will agree that Sucker Punch was an unfocused mess, but I'd still take Snyder over Whedon in the director's chair. Nothing kills a superhero movie like making your superheroes interact like catty teenage girls.


I'm not going to defend the oh-so-witty dialog as if Whedon is divine; I didn't mind it but it wasn't essential to the film.

However, I will say that the entirely concept of this Batman vs Superman mess and the apparent source material it spawned from is very likely to produce dialog that'd make a Michael Bay script sound like Fitzgerald prose.
 
2013-07-23 06:40:33 PM
I honestly thought that Man of Steel was a great reboot of Superman.

It was a little exhausting at a times with 2 big battles back to back, but all in all, it was a really good movie in my opinion.

It had really moody parts, the photography was great and it setted a great deal of of possible plot points for the sequel.

I guess I kinda understadn where people come from with the hate towards it, so I guess I can only respectfully disagree.
 
2013-07-23 06:40:57 PM

buntz: Actually sounds like they could take a page from Smallville.


Um... no.
 
2013-07-23 06:43:27 PM

Znuh: Nope, totally disagree. 

Watchmen was a total mess, Sucker Punch was like swimming in a bowl of mixed vomit stolen from other artists, Man of Steel? Sure, if you like the fact that thousands were killed and Zod did some very unlike-Zod things. It was a Superman movie, not my Superman.

So, no. ZS is about one rung up from Michael Bay. Needing more Zach is like asking for more herpes.


One of the thing Snyder, Goyer, and Carvil emphasized at Comic-con was there will be reprocussions to Zod/Superman actions in the sequel.

And Watchmen actually was taken from the book, panel for panel- with some editing and minor changes to fit into a long movie. If you had a problem with it, blame Moore. Snyder actually improved on Moores ending in some ways.
 
2013-07-23 06:44:19 PM
It will be Batman vs Superman because batman movies made a ton more money.

Man of Steel just proved to me that you can't make a really good superman movie. He is either way too power or handicapped in a stupid unbelievable way. I guess you could have him punching other god like supervillians in every movie but that got old after 30 minutes.
 
2013-07-23 06:46:56 PM

imgod2u: stoli n coke: Znuh: Nope, totally disagree.

Watchmen was a total mess, Sucker Punch was like swimming in a bowl of mixed vomit stolen from other artists, Man of Steel? Sure, if you like the fact that thousands were killed and Zod did some very unlike-Zod things. It was a Superman movie, not my Superman.

So, no. ZS is about one rung up from Michael Bay. Needing more Zach is like asking for more herpes.

Watchmen got about as faithful an adaptation as it was ever going to get.

Man of Steel was exactly what fanboys claimed they wanted after Superman Returns came out and they biatched that Superman was too much of a one-dimensional Boy Scout. Now, those same people are complaining that he wasn't a one-dimensional Boy Scout.

I will agree that Sucker Punch was an unfocused mess, but I'd still take Snyder over Whedon in the director's chair. Nothing kills a superhero movie like making your superheroes interact like catty teenage girls.

I'm not going to defend the oh-so-witty dialog as if Whedon is divine; I didn't mind it but it wasn't essential to the film.

However, I will say that the entirely concept of this Batman vs Superman mess and the apparent source material it spawned from is very likely to produce dialog that'd make a Michael Bay script sound like Fitzgerald prose.


They have said it won't be The Dark Knight Returns story... But it will be capturing that same "spirit"
 
2013-07-23 06:49:11 PM

stoli n coke: Man of Steel was exactly what fanboys claimed they wanted after Superman Returns came out and they biatched that Superman was too much of a one-dimensional Boy Scout. Now, those same people are complaining that he wasn't a one-dimensional Boy Scout.


BUT HE SHOULD'VE INNATELY KNOWN NOT TO KILL PEOPLE AND SHOULDN'T HAVE KILLED SOMEONE AND THEN MADE THAT RULE OUT OF GRIEF AND DISGUST WITH HIMSELF THOUGH

/admittedly, there should've been a "I have to be better - Superman has to be better" scene between killing Zod and "don't send drones after me, General," but sheeeeeeeit
 
2013-07-23 06:52:52 PM

Darth_Lukecash: NightOwl2255: Is Zach the new M. Night Shamalon-ding-dong?

No, generally his movies are pretty fun. And they are always visually interesting. Watchmen was a good adaptation, 300 was groovy. MOS was pretty darn good. Only the whiny fanboys, who roam the internist, dislike his films.

Lots of people biatch about movies like Transformers, Star Wars Prequels, Pirates of the Caribbean, but the fact is these movies were entertaining. Most people don't go to movies expecting to be informed or moved deeply. They just want to see cool stuff, laugh, have a thrill or two, maybe get a little scared.

M. Night Shamalan became pretentious. It showed in his work.


The Star Wars prequels were so badly written and acted and cast that they were annoying every time an actor opened their mouth otherwise they were passable as popcorn flicks, the Transformers movies were just tragically bad(Megan Foxes tits can only carry the movie for so long) and Black Pearl kind was good enough that the sequels paled in comparison.
 
2013-07-23 06:58:40 PM

robsul82: stoli n coke: Man of Steel was exactly what fanboys claimed they wanted after Superman Returns came out and they biatched that Superman was too much of a one-dimensional Boy Scout. Now, those same people are complaining that he wasn't a one-dimensional Boy Scout.

BUT HE SHOULD'VE INNATELY KNOWN NOT TO KILL PEOPLE AND SHOULDN'T HAVE KILLED SOMEONE AND THEN MADE THAT RULE OUT OF GRIEF AND DISGUST WITH HIMSELF THOUGH

/admittedly, there should've been a "I have to be better - Superman has to be better" scene between killing Zod and "don't send drones after me, General," but sheeeeeeeit


I really have to wonder about people who can't let this go. It's a plot hole, yes. There are plenty of plot holes in movies -- especially comic book movies. This one doesn't seem to be any worse than, say, an army of police marching on a bunch of people armed with guns and missiles with farking *clubs*.

Does it really detract *that* much from the overall theme and story? I just don't pay attention to it. How about this. Buy the blu-ray/dvd/whatever, then rip it. Then use video editing software to cut down the Zod/Superman battle to about 5 minutes.

Boom. Fantastic movie.
 
2013-07-23 07:04:30 PM

NightOwl2255: Is Zach the new M. Night Shamalon-ding-dong?


I'd say he's the new Brett Ratner.
 
2013-07-23 07:05:16 PM
It sounds as though Hollywood is cutting out the middle man and going straight to the porn parody.

Axel Braun to retaliate by releasing a World's Finest film with very little sex and a much better script.
 
2013-07-23 07:19:11 PM

Blathering Idjut: buntz: Actually sounds like they could take a page from Smallville.

Um... no.


Towards the end of it's run Smallville got pretty good.  Sure it was still WB cheese, but it touched on a lot of good topics and ran much deeper in the Superman mythos.

Worked in the Suicide Squad, Granny Goodness, Superboy... Hell, it even handled Doomsday pretty well, for a cable "teen" drama.
 
2013-07-23 07:29:10 PM
Plot: Batman and Superman get really high and try to beat ET the video game. They tell racist and gay jokes throughout.
 
2013-07-23 07:39:23 PM

Darth_Lukecash: And Watchmen actually was taken from the book, panel for panel- with some editing and minor changes to fit into a long movie. If you had a problem with it, blame Moore. Snyder actually improved on Moores ending in some ways.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-23 07:50:24 PM

nmrsnr: I liked Man of Steel, and I hope they can pull this movie off well, but in Man of Steel they didn't use kryptonite as a weakness for Superman, so what is going to be Batman's equalizer?


Kryptonite.
 
2013-07-23 07:57:47 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Znuh: Nope, totally disagree.

Watchmen was a total mess, Sucker Punch was like swimming in a bowl of mixed vomit stolen from other artists, Man of Steel? Sure, if you like the fact that thousands were killed and Zod did some very unlike-Zod things. It was a Superman movie, not my Superman.

So, no. ZS is about one rung up from Michael Bay. Needing more Zach is like asking for more herpes.

One of the thing Snyder, Goyer, and Carvil emphasized at Comic-con was there will be reprocussions to Zod/Superman actions in the sequel.

And Watchmen actually was taken from the book, panel for panel- with some editing and minor changes to fit into a long movie. If you had a problem with it, blame Moore. Snyder actually improved on Moores ending in some ways.


Parts of it were panel for panel yes.  But the changes were not minor.  They removed large chunks of dialogue that revealed important aspects of the characters, and ideas that make you think about life and the universe.  And in place of those large chunks of dialogue they put in slow motion fight scenes that weren't in the book.  Yes this was done to make it more palatable to the masses, but I wish it wasn't at the expense of some of the best concepts from the book getting into people's brains.

You've got to be joking when you say that we should blame Moore for Snyder's dumbed down Cliff's Notes version of the book.  That is just asinine.  Did you even read the comic?
 
2013-07-23 08:04:05 PM
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I'm disapoint that this was not posted earlier.

/Even disapoint with myself.
 
2013-07-23 08:10:55 PM

robsul82: stoli n coke: Man of Steel was exactly what fanboys claimed they wanted after Superman Returns came out and they biatched that Superman was too much of a one-dimensional Boy Scout. Now, those same people are complaining that he wasn't a one-dimensional Boy Scout.

BUT HE SHOULD'VE INNATELY KNOWN NOT TO KILL PEOPLE AND SHOULDN'T HAVE KILLED SOMEONE AND THEN MADE THAT RULE OUT OF GRIEF AND DISGUST WITH HIMSELF THOUGH

/admittedly, there should've been a "I have to be better - Superman has to be better" scene between killing Zod and "don't send drones after me, General," but sheeeeeeeit


What would you have proposed? Zod was genetically engineered for battle, and made it abundantly clear that he was not going to stop what he saw as his mission to clear out Earth while he was still alive. To him, wiping out humanity was no different than spraying a house for bugs before moving in. That moment was a choice for Superman. He had to choose between his history (Krypton), or his future (living among humanity)

A large part of the origin story dealt with Clark having to tolerate humans, realizing he could end any of their lives at any moment. That he actually learned the gravity of what that act is trying to save humans was an important moment of growth, as was the guilt of knowing A.what it is like to actually take a life, and B. That humans and Kryptonians may never have a lasting co-existence, and the only way to ensure one race's survival was to eliminate one of the last members of his own.

Given that he was just starting out and learning the ropes of being a superhero, I have no problem with him not having some innate code, and instead, letting his experience inform the rest of his pursuits. Much like how Bruce Wayne was prepared to kill his parents murderer in Batman Begins, it made sense.

Then again, I'm sure there are some comic issues that prove that isn't canon, but I really don't give a shiat about that. If I wanted to see the Donner films, I'd watch them.

For what it was, Man of Steel was an enjoyable different take on a familiar story. Could have trimmed about 5 minutes from the last battle scene, though.
 
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