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(Yahoo)   Do you have a need for speed? Well if you get caught in Georgia, Illinois, North Carolina, Nevada or New Hampshire, you better have at least $1000 in your wallet. Oh and Vermont sucks   ( divider line
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2013-07-23 11:27:20 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: And from this you end up with official (or unofficial) ticket quota systems. Overzealous enforcement (I'm parked 2" behind the white line - but I got a ticket?!?!). Ridiculous fines and appeal processes (pay $300 now, or go to court and pay $500), dangerous/criminal acts designed to 'catch' unsuspecting motorists - like artificially lowering a speed limit on a stretch of highway so that the flow of traffic routinely exceeds it, shortening of yellow lights, adding red-light cameras....all things that have been shown time and time again to make the roads *unsafe* - but are great ways of generating revenue.

Or the ticket I got locally--a cop stepped into the crosswalk (in a spot no pedestrian would be likely to be found anyway--the crosswalk served a closed business) at a distance where stopping before the crosswalk would have been questionable (and such hard stops risk being rear ended) and continuing was actually the safer course as it ensured that I was past before he could possibly reach my lane.

I call such things the driving tax.

nytmare: Seems to be a common attitude among internet drivers that they can blow through a red light as long as they're turning right, or on a bicycle. Which is completely wrong. You have to stop first, turn or no turn, car or bicycle.

Yes, you need to come to a stop.  Look at the real-world dynamics of a bunch of cars turning right on red, though--you stop at the point where you can see if it's safe to turn but aren't actually in the cross traffic.  Note that this point is *NOT* the stop line!

Car #1 probably behaves legally.   However, the cars behind will normally roll forward to take the space that was vacated in front of them without any regard for where the stop line is.  This is *NOT* dangerous behavior but the cameras will nail you anyway.

There's also the one car version of this where you approach a red light and it looks like you're going to be able to turn.  In the real world an awful lot of drivers are going to slowly roll the stop line and stop at the decision point.  The hazard here is miniscule as you're going so slowly at that point and you're looking ahead, not left.

UtileDysfunktion: I've noticed cones and barricades going up weeks before any work actually starts and a co-worker got slapped with a doubled fine for speeding in a work zone where there wasn't a worker anywhere in sight. I think the County has found a new source of revenue.

Yup.  Last year I took an 800 mile (one way) road trip.  I would say I encountered at least 10 construction zones on that trip.  In one case there was nothing but the signs (the actual construction was on the other side of a small hill that divided the highway at that point) and in no case was a worker present (it was the weekend.)  In *ONE* case reduced limits were justified due to lane zigging.  On the return trip (the same basic route minus the scenic detours) it was during the week and still most of the sites had nothing going on.

I have no problem with slowing for construction workers.  It's pretty obvious it's mostly a scam, though.

I also object to school zones--I consider them hazardous to kids.  In effect we teach kids that cars will stop for them.  In the real world the cars will be going faster and the stopping distance goes way up.  You end up with cases like what happened locally--she looked only one way and stepped out right in front of a pickup--two minutes before the lights came on.  At half her age I was trusted to cross major streets on my own.

While I do not oppose the *CONCEPT* of cameras in the real world they're a scam.  No location has enough unsafe drivers to pay for a camera.

pedobearapproved: I got a fix it ticket for having insurance but not having the card on me. It expired two days before and I hadn't seen the mail with the new card in it or I would have put it in the car. Anyway the cop gives me the ticket and says I have to go to court to prove I had insurance during the time (some dude turned into my car while I was at a stop sign, and that's why the cops checked).

Long story short I show up to court with my valid insurance card and get $90 in court costs, and charges dismissed. That sounds like a fine to me, but not to the courts. I am still shocked they can get away with that crap.

Around here you show the missing paperwork to the clerk, that's it.  No costs at all.
2013-07-23 11:56:59 PM  

Oatworm: On the bright side, speed limits in Nevada are generally pretty reasonable, though the Burning Man crowd will be absolutely thrilled to discover that they dropped the speed limit out of Gerlach down to 55 until just before Pyramid Lake. Supposedly it's due to some road damage caused by some flooding over the past month, but part of me strongly suspects it's to make a bit of money in late August when Burners come and visit.

As a local burner, this seems like a dumb plan.  The only people who head up early to Burning Man are DPW people who are mostly local and will be around to contest the ticket, or theme camps setting up early who likely will be in gigantic RVs and Semis that can't go over 55 anyway.  Come time for Burning Man proper and there's such a long line of cars you're lucky if you get up to the speed limit at all.
2013-07-24 12:04:03 AM  

postnobills: The one and only ticket I've ever had was in a little speed trap town in the middle of the Nevada desert called Ely.  63 in a 60. I was planning to stop over for the night: Get a room, a couple of meals, a few drinks, gamble a bit. Spend some desperately needed money in the town. Instead, I paid the ticket and decided to push on through to Vegas. Now do you really think that was the greater economic benefit to the town?

That's a shame, Ely is a nice little town to spend some time in.  Two great hotels in town, decent food, interesting museums and shops, and a nice ambiance to boot.  Of course I've never run into White Pine County Sheriffs so I have no idea if they're dickbags or not.  Also it's not in the middle of the Nevada desert.  It's actually one of our North-Eastern-most "big towns" and is more in the mountains than anything.

Side note: Winnemucca, for as much of a "wide spot near an Interstate" town as it seems, is actually a great place to spend some time.  I spent a week there with my then-girlfriend that the two of us STILL talk about with fondness.
2013-07-24 01:12:20 AM  
If i remember correctly, (not saying i do) the posted speed limit is supposed to be how safe it is to drive on that particular surface of road, and they have to re-do the "safety" test every 7 years if you hold to federal standards in your state (some don't). To determine the conditions of said road. I got away with a a speeding ticket here in NY because the last time they "speed rated" the road was like 10 years ago, i got the information from my county planners office, no ticket cause they legally couldn't tell me what the safe speed to drive in was. I hate speeding tickets,  i always speed, its in my nature, but never off the highway, in construction zones or near schools. Im pretty sure if they do construction in a specific amount of road they have to re-do the test to see what the new speed is in something like 3 years. don't quote me. its been a long time since i've gotten a ticket
2013-07-24 02:08:54 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: I pulled over not a mile from my destination and got a "Call tomorrow and they'll tell you your fine" ticket for going 75 in a 55, on a practically empty, *extremely* well-lit, 10 lane (5 in each direction) divided highway. I called the next day and was told my fine would be $450, $550 if I didn't pay within 14 days. That was 12 years ago; I still haven't paid it. The whole, "Call and we'll tell you the fine" sounded too much like, "Let's fark out-of-towers and minorities (I am not one)". fark Georgia.

Are you ever planning on visiting Georgia again?

Because generally not paying a speeding ticket will get you a Faliure to Appear and an arrest warrant.  (I'm assuming you didn't show up in court either).
2013-07-24 11:53:19 AM  

Alphakronik: Mt. Tabor, Vermont sounds like fun.

Get caught speeding?  Better be able to only out run one Camaro.

Sounds like a challenge.

Not as easy as it sounds... There aren't many places to hide and pretty much just one or two roads you can use (unless you feel like going off road, then you'd have a chance)...

/Grew up about 30 min from Mt. Tabor
//Swore to myself I'd never live in Vermont again
///I live in Vermont now...
2013-07-24 12:30:45 PM  

ChaosStar: Ga 40-14-8
(a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.

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2013-07-24 02:57:47 PM  

frostus: SarcasticFark: I'm with you, Subby.  Vermont sucks.

/I can spit into Vermont from my NH doorstep
/I do...frequently

We pee on NH.

Quite frequently I might add... Live Free or Die? How bout just die...
2013-07-24 09:31:22 PM  

ChaosStar: dforkus: Georgia cops will give up to 10 over pretty much everywhere, on the ATL interstates that is probably closer to 20...

I haven't heard of 1000 dollar tickets here, I assume that would only get dolled out for jackasses doing 25 over in school zone or something like that...

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Ga 40-14-8
(a) No county, city, or campus officer shall be allowed to make a case based on the use of any speed detection device, unless the speed of the vehicle exceeds the posted speed limit by more than ten miles per hour and no conviction shall be had thereon unless such speed is more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit.

I had fun with that one when I lived in Ga

Notice it says nothing about State Patrol. They can get you for 1 mile over.
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