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(TaxProf)   A lawyer at the Cincinnati IRS office speaks: sure, we are all Democrats, but that's only because the mean Republicans made us Democrats   (taxprof.typepad.com) divider line 51
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2013-07-23 10:03:22 AM  
That describes half the Democratic Party.
 
2013-07-23 10:11:11 AM  
Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.
 
2013-07-23 10:11:23 AM  
perceived hostility of the Republican party to federal regulation and government workers

"Perceived"!?
 
2013-07-23 10:32:31 AM  

kronicfeld: perceived hostility of the Republican party to federal regulation and government workers

"Perceived"!?


I'm shocked.
 
2013-07-23 10:42:09 AM  

James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.


Yeah, and all the other stuff that's come out since about how many left-leaning organizations were scruitnized as well.  But, he, OMG IRS-GATE THE SCANDAL THAT WILL bRING DOWN FARTBONGO
 
2013-07-23 10:43:13 AM  
To be fair, the horrible Jean Schmidt (take Bachmann and remove even the slightest hint of hawt) was a Cincinnati congresswoman and she'd turn me into a Democrat.
 
2013-07-23 10:58:28 AM  
NO, YOU GUYS, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! THIS TIME, I REALLY DID SEE A WOLF!!!
 
2013-07-23 11:04:37 AM  
You mean decades of Republicans portraying people who work for the government as worthless takers has led to government workers not being fans of Republicans?  Next thing you'll tell me is that minorities don't like Republicans either!
 
2013-07-23 11:06:54 AM  

kronicfeld: perceived hostility of the Republican party to federal regulation and government workers

"Perceived"!?


Yeah any federal civilian government worker not a part of the MIC who is not a Democrat confuses me.  The GOP has really gone hard down the "fire them all, screw over those you can't fire" track of late.  Being an "Independent" (and not the Fark variety) who doesn't follow politics at all is also semi-acceptable as a "this is too depressing/stressful to follow so I'm ignoring it" option.
 
2013-07-23 11:17:12 AM  

James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.


And of the fifteen people interviewed regarding IRSghazi, six self-identified as Republicans, six self-identified as no affiliation, and only three self-identified as Democrats.
 
2013-07-23 11:18:32 AM  

Derigiberble: kronicfeld: perceived hostility of the Republican party to federal regulation and government workers

"Perceived"!?

Yeah any federal civilian government worker not a part of the MIC who is not a Democrat confuses me.  The GOP has really gone hard down the "fire them all, screw over those you can't fire" track of late.  Being an "Independent" (and not the Fark variety) who doesn't follow politics at all is also semi-acceptable as a "this is too depressing/stressful to follow so I'm ignoring it" option.


I work, on a Congressionally-funded DoD project, with an anarchist and an objectivist Randroid. Both are fairly politically aware, though the Randroid is just as pig-headed and blinkered as any I could think of (made the brilliant move of insulting marriage equality around 2 gay coworkers, not to mention the oodles of liberal types we work with).

I don't know how they deal with the cognitive dissonance. I guess we've all gotta get paid somehow, and leave the political sea-changes to people who can do something about it?
 
2013-07-23 11:21:44 AM  
Wait, I thought that President Obama was the master of puppets, pulling the strings of this IRS scandal? This story has changed so many times I think I have whiplash. To Republicans, nothing else matters but the "fact" that the One Obama has orchestrated this whole episode in an attempt to seek out and destroy Tea Party groups who oppose him.
 
2013-07-23 11:23:52 AM  

Dr Dreidel: I don't know how they deal with the cognitive dissonance. I guess we've all gotta get paid somehow


True Fact... The biggest, raging-est anti-semite asshat I know... his #1 client is an Israeli company.
 
2013-07-23 11:27:36 AM  
i.qkme.me

/linked
 
2013-07-23 11:38:23 AM  

James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.


He was directed by those above him. You would know this if you paid attention.
 
2013-07-23 11:39:29 AM  

vernonFL: Wait, I thought that President Obama was the master of puppets, pulling the strings of this IRS scandal? This story has changed so many times I think I have whiplash. To Republicans, nothing else matters but the "fact" that the One Obama has orchestrated this whole episode in an attempt to seek out and destroy Tea Party groups who oppose him.


Obama has been very stand-up about this. He has condemned the political nature of the scrutiny and made heads roll. You do not need to defend him.
 
2013-07-23 11:40:02 AM  

jake_lex: James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.

Yeah, and all the other stuff that's come out since about how many left-leaning organizations were scruitnized as well.  But, he, OMG IRS-GATE THE SCANDAL THAT WILL bRING DOWN FARTBONGO


6. None recieved questions like "what is the content of your prayers." None have shown they were asked for donor lists. None had documents leaked to ProPublica.

Totally the same though.
 
2013-07-23 11:51:50 AM  

MyRandomName: James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.

He was directed by those above him. You would know this if you paid attention.


Ah, yes, that's right. I forgot. PresiDebt BaReefer HUSSEIN Fartbama al-Chicago ordered the IRS under threat of death by drone-launched Hellfires to deliberately target groups that explicitly violated federal laws concerning the behavior of social welfare organizations.
 
2013-07-23 12:02:10 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Dr Dreidel: I don't know how they deal with the cognitive dissonance. I guess we've all gotta get paid somehow

True Fact... The biggest, raging-est anti-semite asshat I know... his #1 client is an Israeli companwhat's


Is there a statement in there?

Dr Dre made explained a valid story point
 
2013-07-23 12:05:22 PM  
a friend of mine helped found a church that was explicitly not a non-profit.  They did this to remove any possibility that they would violate any laws regarding political shenanigans by non-profits.  Now they are protected by 1st amendment to speak their minds as they see fit and support any politician that they choose, openly.

I respect them for that.  Disagree with them politically but that's ok.
 
2013-07-23 12:08:53 PM  
One more thing, he also told me that when you tithe 10% of your income and then get a tax deduction on it you didn't really tithe 10%.  I like the way he thinks.
 
2013-07-23 12:11:46 PM  

advex101: One more thing, he also told me that when you tithe 10% of your income and then get a tax deduction on it you didn't really tithe 10%.  I like the way he thinks.


Seems like a bretty cool guy.
 
2013-07-23 12:20:55 PM  

Gulper Eel: To be fair, the horrible Jean Schmidt (take Bachmann and remove even the slightest hint of hawt) was a Cincinnati congresswoman and she'd turn me into a Democrat.


That woman (Schmidt) is just pure, unadulterated evil.  So glad she's gone.
 
2013-07-23 12:24:53 PM  

MyRandomName: James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.

He was directed by those above him. You would know this if you paid attention.


I am ready to believe you, show me in the transcripts.
 
2013-07-23 12:33:10 PM  

vernonFL: Wait, I thought that President Obama was the master of puppets, pulling the strings of this IRS scandal? This story has changed so many times I think I have whiplash. To Republicans, nothing else matters but the "fact" that the One Obama has orchestrated this whole episode in an attempt to seek out and destroy Tea Party groups who oppose him.


Metallica songs

Is that "orchestrated" a reference to S&M?
 
2013-07-23 12:35:49 PM  
I honestly can't see how someone with a conscience, an ounce of self-respect and a high school education could ever want to be a Republican.

In other words, if you're a decent human being, you don't belong in the GOP.

On the other hand, if you're a selfish child with no worthwhile education who enjoys pissing people off and watching people suffer, the GOP is a perfect fit.
 
2013-07-23 12:39:32 PM  

Vodka Zombie: On the other hand, if you're a selfish child with no worthwhile education who enjoys pissing people off and watching people suffer, the GOP is a perfect fit.


That pretty much describes my Republican acquaintances in a nutshell.
 
2013-07-23 12:42:42 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I honestly can't see how someone with a conscience, an ounce of self-respect and a high school education could ever want to be a Republican.

In other words, if you're a decent human being, you don't belong in the GOP.

On the other hand, if you're a selfish child with no worthwhile education who enjoys pissing people off and watching people suffer, the GOP is a perfect fit.


Matt Miller suggested that Democrats who believe a stronger opposition party will make their true party stronger make the "Patriotic Switch" to stop the crazies from running the ship. I've thought about doing that from time to time given my residency in Brownbackistan. Haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I'm getting itchy.
 
2013-07-23 01:00:34 PM  

Serious Black: Matt Miller suggested that Democrats who believe a stronger opposition party will make their true party stronger make the "Patriotic Switch" to stop the crazies from running the ship. I've thought about doing that from time to time given my residency in Brownbackistan. Haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I'm getting itchy.


Do it. I live in a derpy part of MD, and my vote is worthless in the primaries unless I assume the affiliation of the locals. I can still vote my conscience in the generals.
 
2013-07-23 01:05:35 PM  
I've gone from having sympathies to the "targeted" groups, and expecting a review of the processes in place to thinking that the IRS should've gone further in demanding evidence of long-term non-profit status.
 
2013-07-23 01:08:43 PM  

Derigiberble: kronicfeld: perceived hostility of the Republican party to federal regulation and government workers

"Perceived"!?

Yeah any federal civilian government worker not a part of the MIC who is not a Democrat confuses me.  The GOP has really gone hard down the "fire them all, screw over those you can't fire" track of late.  Being an "Independent" (and not the Fark variety) who doesn't follow politics at all is also semi-acceptable as a "this is too depressing/stressful to follow so I'm ignoring it" option.


By of late, do you mean "during the entire career of virtually everyone currently employed by the federal government"?
 
2013-07-23 01:14:03 PM  

vernonFL: Wait, I thought that President Obama was the master of puppets, pulling the strings of this IRS scandal? This story has changed so many times I think I have whiplash. To Republicans, nothing else matters but the "fact" that the One Obama has orchestrated this whole episode in an attempt to seek out and destroy Tea Party groups who oppose him.


Well, it's sad but true that Obama's using the IRS against his political enemies.  All these libtards think he's The One, and that they'll be the hero of the day by doing his bidding, but they're really dancing the devil's dance, and at the end of the day, he'll throw them away like the disposable heroes they are.  The American dream is fast becoming a nightmare, and Obama's setting himself up to reign all nightmare long.  But this battery against the American people will not stand; soon, the real Americans will rise up, and Obama shall be unforgiven for his crimes.
 
2013-07-23 01:27:52 PM  

James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.


they also flagged names that had the words "progressive","liberal" and "OWS"

but no one is outraged about that.
 
2013-07-23 02:13:42 PM  

HeartBurnKid: vernonFL: Wait, I thought that President Obama was the master of puppets, pulling the strings of this IRS scandal? This story has changed so many times I think I have whiplash. To Republicans, nothing else matters but the "fact" that the One Obama has orchestrated this whole episode in an attempt to seek out and destroy Tea Party groups who oppose him.

Well, it's sad but true that Obama's using the IRS against his political enemies.  All these libtards think he's The One, and that they'll be the hero of the day by doing his bidding, but they're really dancing the devil's dance, and at the end of the day, he'll throw them away like the disposable heroes they are.  The American dream is fast becoming a nightmare, and Obama's setting himself up to reign all nightmare long.  But this battery against the American people will not stand; soon, the real Americans will rise up, and Obama shall be unforgiven for his crimes.


Substitute Bush for Obama and republithugs for libtards, and you can post this in any politics thread for a few more generations.  Otherwise, needs work.
 
2013-07-23 02:17:40 PM  

HeartBurnKid: vernonFL: Wait, I thought that President Obama was the master of puppets, pulling the strings of this IRS scandal? This story has changed so many times I think I have whiplash. To Republicans, nothing else matters but the "fact" that the One Obama has orchestrated this whole episode in an attempt to seek out and destroy Tea Party groups who oppose him.

Well, it's sad but true that Obama's using the IRS against his political enemies.  All these libtards think he's The One, and that they'll be the hero of the day by doing his bidding, but they're really dancing the devil's dance, and at the end of the day, he'll throw them away like the disposable heroes they are.  The American dream is fast becoming a nightmare, and Obama's setting himself up to reign all nightmare long.  But this battery against the American people will not stand; soon, the real Americans will rise up, and Obama shall be unforgiven for his crimes.


Dammit.  I can't find the common thread.  I see a Jet Li movie, an Eastwood movie...and can't identify the others.
 
2013-07-23 02:38:42 PM  
Those poor poor deers
Won't someone think about the poor IRS workers?
 
2013-07-23 02:56:46 PM  

Derigiberble: kronicfeld: perceived hostility of the Republican party to federal regulation and government workers

"Perceived"!?

Yeah any federal civilian government worker not a part of the MIC who is not a Democrat confuses me.  The GOP has really gone hard down the "fire them all, screw over those you can't fire" track of late.  Being an "Independent" (and not the Fark variety) who doesn't follow politics at all is also semi-acceptable as a "this is too depressing/stressful to follow so I'm ignoring it" option.


The first part is easy, they just blame it on Liberals. Seriously, managers slashing employee hours to JUST under fulltime has been going on for decades, but now it's all the fault of Obamacare. If you don't bother to actually check things like history (or CEO bonuses), it seems as likely as anything else. Something changed, management blamed the change on a massive governmental overhaul (that hasn't even taken effect yet), bingo! You've got yourself a LOVELY scapegoat.

HeartBurnKid: vernonFL: Wait, I thought that President Obama was the master of puppets, pulling the strings of this IRS scandal? This story has changed so many times I think I have whiplash. To Republicans, nothing else matters but the "fact" that the One Obama has orchestrated this whole episode in an attempt to seek out and destroy Tea Party groups who oppose him.

Well, it's sad but true that Obama's using the IRS against his political enemies.  All these libtards think he's The One, and that they'll be the hero of the day by doing his bidding, but they're really dancing the devil's dance, and at the end of the day, he'll throw them away like the disposable heroes they are.  The American dream is fast becoming a nightmare, and Obama's setting himself up to reign all nightmare long.  But this battery against the American people will not stand; soon, the real Americans will rise up, and Obama shall be unforgiven for his crimes.


\m/ out of \m/, would thrash again.
 
2013-07-23 03:51:25 PM  

James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.


Hull's testimony:

"In August 2011 I attended a meeting at which the applications assigned to me were discussed. I recall that Don Spellman, David Marshall, and Amy Franklin from Chief Counsel's office were at the meeting... I recall that Ms. Franklin or someone else from Chief Counsel's office stated that more current information was needed for my applications and that a second development letter should be sent to the applicants. I also recall the discussion about the creation of a template development letter for Tea Party "

William Wilkins heads the Chief Counsel and is a political appointment by Obama.
 
2013-07-23 04:45:59 PM  
I work in DoD as Civil Service.  I know a lot of decent, fine folks who happen to be Republican.  Some are up in arms against Obama but most seem to be questioning their faith and considering the Independent lifestyle.  We are pretty dedicated and are a hard working bunch.  Many were former warfighters (sailors) and recognized the good work we do in supporting the warfighter.  But to praise the warfighter on one hand and piss on the guy supporting him on the other has them scratching their heads.  They grew up when Bob Dole and Ronald Reagan WERE considered conservative - and they were.  But they weren't pigheaded and mean spirited.  When Bob Dole wheeled himself in to the Senate and watched the Senate not pass the resolution to join with the UN in promoting the rights of the disabled, patterned after America's own Americans with Disabilities Act, it was pretty shameful.  Bob Dole might have been a Republican (something I am not) but I thought he was a basically stand-up guy.

There are very few of those in Congress on the Republican side these days - folks you think you really can count on.

And I still say those folks at the IRS office in Cincinatti may have been breaking the law in theory - but it was pretty much on the basis of trying to figure out HOW to do their job efficiently.  To piss on them is making too much over what they were doing and spirit in which they were doing it.  They are probably pretty farking tired of being belittled....and having to watch that embarassing dance video over and over again.....
 
2013-07-23 04:49:37 PM  

Mentat: That describes half the Democratic Party.


cdn.head-fi.org
 
2013-07-23 07:14:31 PM  
100 randomly chosen people are punched in the face.  Of these, 50 will do whatever they can to avoid being punched again, even if it might be harmful to the people punching them.  The other 50 will ask to be punched again, and will assist the punchers in any way possible, even going so far as to punch themselves.

Because, unlike the IRS people, they are a randomly chosen sample and won't be biased.
 
2013-07-23 07:33:43 PM  
I just assume that they were kicked out of the GOP because they can do math.
 
2013-07-23 07:54:02 PM  

MyRandomName: James!: Except for the supervisor that directed his employees to review the tea party applications.  He was a republican, you'd know that if Issa would release the testimony.

He was directed by those above him. You would know this if you paid attention.


You just aren't capable of making a post that is factually accurate, are you?
 
2013-07-23 08:43:21 PM  

born_yesterday: HeartBurnKid: vernonFL: Wait, I thought that President Obama was the master of puppets, pulling the strings of this IRS scandal? This story has changed so many times I think I have whiplash. To Republicans, nothing else matters but the "fact" that the One Obama has orchestrated this whole episode in an attempt to seek out and destroy Tea Party groups who oppose him.

Well, it's sad but true that Obama's using the IRS against his political enemies.  All these libtards think he's The One, and that they'll be the hero of the day by doing his bidding, but they're really dancing the devil's dance, and at the end of the day, he'll throw them away like the disposable heroes they are.  The American dream is fast becoming a nightmare, and Obama's setting himself up to reign all nightmare long.  But this battery against the American people will not stand; soon, the real Americans will rise up, and Obama shall be unforgiven for his crimes.

Dammit.  I can't find the common thread.  I see a Jet Li movie, an Eastwood movie...and can't identify the others.


It's the same common thread.
 
2013-07-23 09:22:44 PM  
Well considering the Republican political strategy of creating villains to rally the base against and constantly drawing ideological lines in the sand, by default they are going to create enemies.  What gets me is how the GOP plays the victim card when those they bully push back.
 
2013-07-23 11:09:58 PM  

colon_pow: Those poor poor deers
Won't someone think about the poor IRS workers?


When you have a whole thread of liberals defending IRS workers, you really have to wonder if the "liberalism is a metal disorder" crowd might have a point after all...
 
2013-07-23 11:35:24 PM  

Pete_T_Mann: colon_pow: Those poor poor deers
Won't someone think about the poor IRS workers?

When you have a whole thread of liberals defending IRS workers, you really have to wonder if the "liberalism is a metal disorder" crowd might have a point after all...


I know, right?  It's like libtards think taxes are a necessary part of life in a modern civilization.  Idiots!
 
2013-07-24 12:45:10 AM  

sugardave: Pete_T_Mann: colon_pow: Those poor poor deers
Won't someone think about the poor IRS workers?

When you have a whole thread of liberals defending IRS workers, you really have to wonder if the "liberalism is a metal disorder" crowd might have a point after all...

I know, right?  It's like libtards think taxes are a necessary part of life in a modern civilization.  Idiots!


This is a good example, they seem to fancy themselves "modern" because of things like "taxes", and seem unaware that governments have collected taxes pretty much since they first came into existence.

But you go, Dave, and feel free to think you and the IRS are going to tax people into a new age of enlightenment or whatever....
 
2013-07-24 04:04:26 AM  

Mentat: That describes half the Democratic Party.


Which explains why Democrats can so successfully promote out-of-control spending to pander to individual voting blocs.  When you spend so much time attacking the opposition as hateful bigots and racists, it distracts your supporters from the really important message, which is that using the government to socialize activities in the private sector, redistribute wealth, and promote irresponsible behavior is eroding the foundation of American society.

Its really easy to defeat the message by attacking the messenger.  One subtle approach Obama uses is the "its not about me" speech, where he chastises his opposition for opposing something because of personal animosity toward Obama, when really its not about Obama at all, but instead about opposition to a dumb idea.
 
2013-07-24 05:24:13 AM  

Bill the unknowing: I work in DoD as Civil Service.  I know a lot of decent, fine folks who happen to be Republican.  Some are up in arms against Obama but most seem to be questioning their faith and considering the Independent lifestyle.  We are pretty dedicated and are a hard working bunch.  Many were former warfighters (sailors) and recognized the good work we do in supporting the warfighter.  But to praise the warfighter on one hand and piss on the guy supporting him on the other has them scratching their heads.  They grew up when Bob Dole and Ronald Reagan WERE considered conservative - and they were.  But they weren't pigheaded and mean spirited.  When Bob Dole wheeled himself in to the Senate and watched the Senate not pass the resolution to join with the UN in promoting the rights of the disabled, patterned after America's own Americans with Disabilities Act, it was pretty shameful.  Bob Dole might have been a Republican (something I am not) but I thought he was a basically stand-up guy.

There are very few of those in Congress on the Republican side these days - folks you think you really can count on.

And I still say those folks at the IRS office in Cincinatti may have been breaking the law in theory - but it was pretty much on the basis of trying to figure out HOW to do their job efficiently.  To piss on them is making too much over what they were doing and spirit in which they were doing it.  They are probably pretty farking tired of being belittled....and having to watch that embarassing dance video over and over again.....


Pretty much THIS.  Well except a lot of the Republican government workforce where I work are still in denial.  Out of one side of their mouth they are calling President Obama a "big spender/big government socialist" and out of the other they are trying to blame austerity stuff like their pay freeze and now 20% cut in salary on him too; totally contradicting themselves.  Of course the fact most of them are the "conservative Christian Republicans" rather than "Libertarian Republicans" might have something to do with it.  Unfortunately they have also created a "glass ceiling" for anyone not in their little "group"(people who disagree with them on non work related religious and political subjects and/or doesn't go to their church) turning a once great job into a bastardized love child of Mallard Fillmore and Dilbert.
 
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