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(Bubblews)   TEPCO GM finally admits nuclear radiation from Fukushima has contaminated ground water and is now leaking into the Pacific. But, he offered his sincere apologies, so, at least he's got that going for him   (bubblews.com) divider line 76
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2013-07-23 10:53:18 AM  
Oh look, more scaremongering
 
2013-07-23 11:15:14 AM  
Which is nice.
 
2013-07-23 11:15:39 AM  
I think we all figured that.

So, now what?
 
2013-07-23 11:15:53 AM  

cman: Oh look, more scaremongering


Yeah, they really should have kept denying the facts.. Ignorance is bliss after all.
 
2013-07-23 11:18:14 AM  
In my day we'd hand him a gun and leave him alone in his office for a few minutes so he could make amends the right way.
 
2013-07-23 11:18:36 AM  
If I weren't so lazy I'd try to pull up the original Fark threads on this where a whole bunch of people said that this was impossible.
 
2013-07-23 11:19:27 AM  
A better article on this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23419325

The scary part:
"The badly damaged reactors are supposed to be in what is called "cold shutdown"; the temperature of the cooling water inside the reactor should be well below boiling point.
It is another sign that Tepco still does not fully know what is going on inside the damaged reactors, our correspondent adds."
 
2013-07-23 11:19:33 AM  
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goood gooood!
 
2013-07-23 11:19:43 AM  
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2013-07-23 11:20:39 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
I'm sorry
 
2013-07-23 11:21:31 AM  
But, hey, let's just use coal instead, right?
 
2013-07-23 11:24:12 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: If I weren't so lazy I'd try to pull up the original Fark threads on this where a whole bunch of people said that this was impossible.


Please do so - I think you're misremembering what was actually said. I think I remember people saying things similar to the following:

"There were no deaths caused by radiation exposure, while approximately 18,500 people died due to the earthquake and tsunami. Future cancer deaths from accumulated radiation exposures in the population living near Fukushima are predicted to be extremely low to none."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

The news here is that there might, someday, be more than zero deaths due to radiation exposure, but we don't know, yet.
 
2013-07-23 11:27:48 AM  
Portable, wearable nuclear radiation protection
valleycitizen.com
 
2013-07-23 11:29:48 AM  
draypresct:

A better article on this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23419325

The scary part:
"The badly damaged reactors are supposed to be in what is called "cold shutdown"; the temperature of the cooling water inside the reactor should be well below boiling point.
It is another sign that Tepco still does not fully know what is going on inside the damaged reactors, our correspondent adds."


Yeah, I just caught the tail end of an NPR report, evidently there's steam coming from the worst-off reactor building. They don't know how or why since the reactor is supposed to be cold, but since it's been raining heavily there they *hope* it's rainwater, with much less bioabsorptive isotopes than say, sea or groundwater.
 
2013-07-23 11:30:24 AM  
I remember the conspiracy website threads with all of the worker confirmations that were touted as lies by the Japanese and regulation agencies. I really dislike when anything confirms the nutjobber theories on the Internet. It just gives them more ammunition for the next conspiracy.
 
2013-07-23 11:30:36 AM  
This actually *is* an issue.  It's not just scaremongering.

I took rainwater (the three times it rained) radiation samples on a crosscountry trip with a geiger counter shortly after the Fukushima incident, and there was *definitely* radioactive material coming down in the rain.

I'll see about posting and linking to the videos later today.
 
2013-07-23 11:31:05 AM  
So tomorrow will be news he committed seppuku?
 
2013-07-23 11:32:40 AM  

draypresct: It is another sign that Tepco still does not fully know what is going on inside the damaged reactors, our correspondent adds.


Please, in 50 to 60,000 years the problem will solve itself. Sit tight.
 
2013-07-23 11:40:20 AM  
Commit seppuku, you piece of shiat.
 
2013-07-23 11:40:38 AM  

nexxus: I took rainwater (the three times it rained) radiation samples on a crosscountry trip with a geiger counter shortly after the Fukushima incident, and there was *definitely* radioactive material coming down in the rain.


Did you have a control sample from either before the accident or several months later?
 
2013-07-23 11:41:25 AM  
Not amused
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-23 11:41:31 AM  
"TEPCO GM finally admits nuclear radiation from Fukushima..."

FTFS
 
2013-07-23 11:41:41 AM  

nexxus: This actually *is* an issue.  It's not just scaremongering.

I took rainwater (the three times it rained) radiation samples on a crosscountry trip with a geiger counter shortly after the Fukushima incident, and there was *definitely* radioactive material coming down in the rain.

I'll see about posting and linking to the videos later today.


Nothing to worry about. Why, you get exposed to radiation from those scary bananas on your counter.

www.topnews.in
 
2013-07-23 11:46:51 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: nexxus: This actually *is* an issue.  It's not just scaremongering.

I took rainwater (the three times it rained) radiation samples on a crosscountry trip with a geiger counter shortly after the Fukushima incident, and there was *definitely* radioactive material coming down in the rain.

I'll see about posting and linking to the videos later today.

Nothing to worry about. Why, you get exposed to radiation from those scary bananas on your counter.

[www.topnews.in image 460x360]


And this thing.

www.bobthealien.co.uk

//Hot like, well... the sun.
 
2013-07-23 11:47:01 AM  
mr. rainwater there forgot one thing

HE was the common denominator !
 
2013-07-23 11:47:59 AM  
In the old ways, someone like this would have pulled out a longsword and committed suicide for dishonoring the family. We need more of that in corporate policies again.
 
2013-07-23 11:48:01 AM  
Came here for Godzilla... leaving satisfied!
 
2013-07-23 11:48:51 AM  
The denials from Tepco is going to be worse for the nuclear industry than anything Greenpeace hippies could do.

Radiation from the plant contaminated the entire earth and made parts of Japan a no-go zone. This has to be addressed.
 
2013-07-23 11:48:55 AM  
Of course, if this had happened here in the US, the company execs would be all, "Nope, this is not our radiation. There's no conclusive proof that we're the source of the contamination."
 
2013-07-23 11:50:47 AM  

HiFiGuy: Of course, if this had happened here in the US, the company execs would be all, "Nope, this is not our radiation. There's no conclusive proof that we're the source of the contamination."


And even if there was proof, it wasn't their fault, but the contractors they hired to run the place.
 
2013-07-23 11:53:20 AM  

meat0918: HiFiGuy: Of course, if this had happened here in the US, the company execs would be all, "Nope, this is not our radiation. There's no conclusive proof that we're the source of the contamination."

And even if there was proof, it wasn't their fault, but the contractors they hired to run the place.


Of greater importance is which member of the United States Congress will officially apologize to the company.
 
2013-07-23 11:54:02 AM  
Clemkadidlefark:

Portable, wearable nuclear radiation protection

Skin is a great ionizing radiation protection. It's one of it's main functions. Even at the worst, it just dies and peels off and still protects you in death, much as happened to me last week when I mowed the lawn on a sunny day. I wouldn't recommend it, but you could probably hold a chunk of plutonium in your bare hand and not suffer any ill effects, at least from the from Alpha radiation. Eye tissue is obviously a lot more sensitive because hey, most of it's task is passing radiation, not protecting from it.

But then there's steam. And breathing in hot isotopes. Lung tissue is a bit less tough than skin. If you get an alpha emitter (the wimpiest of all ionizing radiation) in there, it *will* do damage, and if you're lucky your body can repair it without going full cancerous.

You can't make pure distilled water too hot. Hydrogen and oxygen don't have "hot" isotopes that last very long. Sea water on the other hand... Full of dissolved elements that *can* stay hot, and the body tends to store, and remember what I said about having alpha emitters inside your body? Yeah. Iodine and calcium and magnesium and all sorts of things that a body craves.
Ground water... Probably not as bad as sea water. The ocean is, after all, the ultimate solution. But still bad.
 
2013-07-23 12:00:49 PM  

pkellmey: I remember the conspiracy website threads with all of the worker confirmations that were touted as lies by the Japanese and regulation agencies. I really dislike when anything confirms the nutjobber theories on the Internet. It just gives them more ammunition for the next conspiracy.



If the "nutjobber conspiracy websites" were confirmed to have been right all along, how are they nutjobs? Show respect for whistleblowers.
 
2013-07-23 12:02:33 PM  
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TEPCO General Manager Masayuki Ono

OMG Ono!
 
2013-07-23 12:03:46 PM  
WeenerGord:

pkellmey: I remember the conspiracy website threads with all of the worker confirmations that were touted as lies by the Japanese and regulation agencies. I really dislike when anything confirms the nutjobber theories on the Internet. It just gives them more ammunition for the next conspiracy.


If the "nutjobber conspiracy websites" were confirmed to have been right all along, how are they nutjobs? Show respect for whistleblowers.


To be fair, it is entirely possible to be right on an issue AND be a nutjob.
 
2013-07-23 12:04:34 PM  

maxheck: If you get an alpha emitter (the wimpiest of all ionizing radiation) in there, it *will* do damage, and if you're lucky your body can repair it without going full cancerous.


Cigarette smoke is chock full of alpha radiation.  I assume that most healthy people are able to "repair" the damage from alpha radiation, otherwise anyone who's ever been exposed to second-hand smoke would definitely develop lung cancer.
 
2013-07-23 12:07:05 PM  
But he did tell us how much he admired our huge American penis' And his is so small.
 
2013-07-23 12:08:26 PM  

maxheck: WeenerGord:

pkellmey: I remember the conspiracy website threads with all of the worker confirmations that were touted as lies by the Japanese and regulation agencies. I really dislike when anything confirms the nutjobber theories on the Internet. It just gives them more ammunition for the next conspiracy.


If the "nutjobber conspiracy websites" were confirmed to have been right all along, how are they nutjobs? Show respect for whistleblowers.

To be fair, it is entirely possible to be right on an issue AND be a nutjob.



Just like it is entirely possible to be a perfectly sane and concerned citizen who went to some effect and risk to tell the world the truth...and get called a nutjob by a random stranger on the internet?
 
2013-07-23 12:12:14 PM  
Clean and safe my ass.
 
2013-07-23 12:19:12 PM  
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2013-07-23 12:19:24 PM  

Rising Ape: nexxus: I took rainwater (the three times it rained) radiation samples on a crosscountry trip with a geiger counter shortly after the Fukushima incident, and there was *definitely* radioactive material coming down in the rain.

Did you have a control sample from either before the accident or several months later?


No.  With constantly changing jetstream and wind and weather patterns, it would be hard to prove anything conclusively, and I certainly can't say it was *definitely* from Fukushima; it just seemed likely.

I don't think radiation in rainwater is normal, however.

I'm uploading the videos now.  Will post links shortly.
 
2013-07-23 12:26:46 PM  
TanHamster:

maxheck: If you get an alpha emitter (the wimpiest of all ionizing radiation) in there, it *will* do damage, and if you're lucky your body can repair it without going full cancerous.

Cigarette smoke is chock full of alpha radiation. I assume that most healthy people are able to "repair" the damage from alpha radiation, otherwise anyone who's ever been exposed to second-hand smoke would definitely develop lung cancer.


Oddly enough, many smokers *DO* develop lung cancer. It's almost like there's a documented correspondence. It's like both the alpha and the constant irritation conspired to cause... Cancer.
 
2013-07-23 12:29:09 PM  

nexxus: Rising Ape: nexxus: I took rainwater (the three times it rained) radiation samples on a crosscountry trip with a geiger counter shortly after the Fukushima incident, and there was *definitely* radioactive material coming down in the rain.

Did you have a control sample from either before the accident or several months later?

No.  With constantly changing jetstream and wind and weather patterns, it would be hard to prove anything conclusively, and I certainly can't say it was *definitely* from Fukushima; it just seemed likely.

I don't think radiation in rainwater is normal, however.

I'm uploading the videos now.  Will post links shortly.


While I give you a 7/10, radiation in rainwater is actually pretty damn normal.

Especially if you're downwind of a coal fired power plant.
 
2013-07-23 12:29:22 PM  
Links, as promised:

Canton, OH, 9/15/11:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kceOCcck7L8
Pierron, IL, 9/17/11:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MMAn1e0rY
Kansas City, MO, 9/18/11:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7NqgCwhXs
Laguna Beach, CA, 10/19/11:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3E1Rqy81Yw
 
2013-07-23 12:31:16 PM  
meat0918:

While I give you a 7/10, radiation in rainwater is actually pretty damn normal.

Especially if you're downwind of a coal fired power plant.


Some, sure.  What I saw seemed a bit much, though.
 
2013-07-23 12:36:00 PM  

nexxus: meat0918:

While I give you a 7/10, radiation in rainwater is actually pretty damn normal.

Especially if you're downwind of a coal fired power plant.

Some, sure.  What I saw seemed a bit much, though.


I have no doubt that there is some elevated radiation levels in the months following the disaster, I really need levels of radiation prior to the event to draw ANY sort of conclusion.

Something like this would make your point better. http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2011/03/questions_answers_ a bout_the_ri.html

"Tests found radioactivity levels of 0.8 pico-Curies per liter in the recently collected milk samples. That's about 1,000 times lower than the amount routinely measured in milk in Oregon <a data-cke-saved-href="http://public.health.oregon.gov/HealthyEnvironmen ts/RadiationProtectio n/Documents/rpsterrestrialenvironment.pdf">during the 1960s era of nuclear weapons testing by the U.S. and Soviet Union. The recent levels are 5,000 times lower than the amounts considered problematic by the Food and Drug Administration. The amount of naturally occurring radioactivity in milk (from <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.ead.anl.gov/pub/doc/potassium.pdf">eve r-present potassium-40 that's taken up by plants from the soil) averages about 1,500 pico-Curies per liter in Oregon.  "
 
2013-07-23 12:37:12 PM  

maxheck: To be fair, it is entirely possible to be right on an issue AND be a nutjob.


See Joe Stack
 
2013-07-23 12:41:08 PM  

meat0918: I have no doubt that there is some elevated radiation levels in the months following the disaster, I really need levels of radiation prior to the event to draw ANY sort of conclusion.


I agree - would have been better to have samples from before the event.
 
2013-07-23 12:50:58 PM  

nexxus: No. With constantly changing jetstream and wind and weather patterns, it would be hard to prove anything conclusively, and I certainly can't say it was *definitely* from Fukushima; it just seemed likely.

I don't think radiation in rainwater is normal, however.


Rainwater is naturally weakly radioactive, as are most things. Also, your Geiger counter won't have just been detecting radiation from the water, but natural background from everywhere around. That's certainly not zero. Hence why a control experiment would be useful (and indeed essential to do the measurement properly).

IIRC contamination from Fukushima was measured in the USA, but generally with sensitive high volume sampling equipment and at low levels - far below natural background.
 
2013-07-23 12:51:38 PM  

maxheck: TanHamster:

maxheck: If you get an alpha emitter (the wimpiest of all ionizing radiation) in there, it *will* do damage, and if you're lucky your body can repair it without going full cancerous.

Cigarette smoke is chock full of alpha radiation. I assume that most healthy people are able to "repair" the damage from alpha radiation, otherwise anyone who's ever been exposed to second-hand smoke would definitely develop lung cancer.

Oddly enough, many smokers *DO* develop lung cancer. It's almost like there's a documented correspondence. It's like both the alpha and the constant irritation conspired to cause... Cancer.


Awesome, when did I say anything about smokers?  My point was that plenty of non-smokers inhale alpha-emitter-rich cigarette smoke, and we're not all dying of lung cancer.  You said, "If you're lucky your body can repair it without going full cancercous" but it's more accurate to say, "If you're unlucky, your body can't repair it without going full cancerous."  The body is better able to handle alpha radiation than you seem to think.  The alpha particle mucks with the DNA in adjacent cells, but the body is pretty good at repairing DNA.  Those are the majority of people.  But sometimes it either can't keep up, or just sucks at it.  Those people are in the minority.
 
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