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2013-07-23 03:12:28 AM
It is terribly sad that a reasonable amount of what he stated in his little screed is actually quite factual and that if one were to present Bill with an equally unpleasant and absolutely factual account of what corporate whorehouses are doing to the American economy and it's citizens, he'd get at least as dismissive and harrumphy as any black community leader when presented about the facts of their community's broken culture.  It's all just people drawing lines, sticking flags in the dirt and "yuh HUH"  "nuh UH" -ing at each other without actually having to give up an inch of their own bad ideas.  And it's as unproductive as it sounds.
 
2013-07-23 06:14:39 AM
Let it go green mods. There were a lot of little conversations on race by various pundits and the president. And here comes Bill O'Reilly coming out with some very uncomfortable truths and statistics and asks the questions one doesn't ask in polite conversation. It will be a show if not a spectacle. The will be ignores and bans and rumors of permabands. Thrills, chills, laughter, and weeping. Fists slamming on keyboards, beer being spewn out into the points of the compass and every keyboard and monitor. You have the power////.  It's always tease  tease, your happy when I'm my knees. One day is fine and next is black, so if you want me off your back. Well come on and let me know, should I stay or should I go now ! Should I stay or should I go now? If I go red there will be trouble, but a green will get you double! SO come on and let me know should I stay or should I go?
 
2013-07-23 07:37:42 AM

Red Shirt Blues: It will be a show if not a spectacle. The will be ignores and bans and rumors of permabands. Thrills, chills, laughter, and weeping. Fists slamming on keyboards, beer being spewn out into the points of the compass and every keyboard and monitor.


I hope not because that would prove every single other thing Bill said.
 
2013-07-23 07:42:34 AM

bunner: Red Shirt Blues: It will be a show if not a spectacle. The will be ignores and bans and rumors of permabands. Thrills, chills, laughter, and weeping. Fists slamming on keyboards, beer being spewn out into the points of the compass and every keyboard and monitor.

I hope not because that would prove every single other thing Bill said.


It's not like you've actually rebutted anything he said with any actual facts or counter-arguments. I generally think O'Reilly is a gas bag, but if I'm going to dispute something he said, I bring something to the table other than misdirection and as hominem.
 
2013-07-23 07:46:52 AM

Nabb1: It's not like you've actually rebutted anything he said with any actual facts or counter-arguments. I generally think O'Reilly is a gas bag, but if I'm going to dispute something he said, I bring something to the table other than misdirection and as hominem.


*clicks authority posture count*

Ahma clue you in on something.

I don't work for you.

*clicks ignore*
 
2013-07-23 08:03:05 AM
"Nobody's forcing black girls to have babies. It's a personal decision."

On the contrary, Bill, you are literally forcing them to, by systematically removing every "pro-choice" option. And f you take away those options, you now have responsibility for that child.  You need to feed them, educate them, give them jobs... That's now your decision.
 
2013-07-23 08:09:48 AM

Skeuomorph: "Nobody's forcing black girls to have babies. It's a personal decision."

On the contrary, Bill, you are literally forcing them to, by systematically removing every "pro-choice" option. And f you take away those options, you now have responsibility for that child.  You need to feed them, educate them, give them jobs... That's now your decision.


are they taking away condoms?  why should someone else pay for a child because the guy too stupid/cheap to buy a rubber.
 
2013-07-23 08:14:14 AM

bunner: Nabb1: It's not like you've actually rebutted anything he said with any actual facts or counter-arguments. I generally think O'Reilly is a gas bag, but if I'm going to dispute something he said, I bring something to the table other than misdirection and as hominem.

*clicks authority posture count*

Ahma clue you in on something.

I don't work for you.

*clicks ignore*


That's a mature response.
 
2013-07-23 08:22:27 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7854981/85515119#c85515119" target="_blank">Skeuomorph</a>:</b> <i>"Nobody's forcing black girls to have babies. It's a personal decision."

On the contrary, Bill, you are literally forcing them to, by systematically removing every "pro-choice" option. And f you take away those options, you now have responsibility for that child.  You need to feed them, educate them, give them jobs... That's now your decision.</i>

You want to go I to the inner cities and convince young men to use condoms? You have no real experience with this sort of thing, do you?
 
2013-07-23 08:32:16 AM
The fact of the matter is that African American culture is a mess and nobody is "allowed" to mention this and corporate culture is at least a big of a mess and you can mention it until your gums bleed and you will be largely shouting down a well.  Divide and conquer zeitgeist and the 30 years class war from the profit über alles morons have turned whatever cohesive culture we might have had into a reasonable simulacrum of a garage window when a baseball hits it.  And somebody better start talking to somebody about something without any animosity or two faced, agenda-ish bullsh*t added or the full tilt batsh*t civil war that's brewing will finally go down, much to the delight of the corporate hooery and we will do their work for them.  Turning on each other instead of them.  Poison Kool aid has no favorite ethnicity.
 
2013-07-23 09:40:36 AM

Nabb1: bunner: Nabb1: It's not like you've actually rebutted anything he said with any actual facts or counter-arguments. I generally think O'Reilly is a gas bag, but if I'm going to dispute something he said, I bring something to the table other than misdirection and as hominem.

*clicks authority posture count*

Ahma clue you in on something.

I don't work for you.

*clicks ignore*

That's a mature response.


His ignore list must be staggering.
 
2013-07-23 09:41:37 AM

Skeuomorph: "Nobody's forcing black girls to have babies. It's a personal decision."

On the contrary, Bill, you are literally forcing them to, by systematically removing every "pro-choice" option. And f you take away those options, you now have responsibility for that child.  You need to feed them, educate them, give them jobs... That's now your decision.


I like how the complete lack of personal responsibility has so pervaded the liberal mindset that they think if they can't abort a baby that's "forcing" someone to have a baby.  It's as if the thought of birth control or even a little self-control is beyond the ability of a normal human being.  That's what liberals think about other people - that they are wild animals with no ability to control themselves.

Why do you have so little faith in your fellow humans, Skeuomorph?
 
2013-07-23 09:46:52 AM

Lsherm: Skeuomorph: "Nobody's forcing black girls to have babies. It's a personal decision."

On the contrary, Bill, you are literally forcing them to, by systematically removing every "pro-choice" option. And f you take away those options, you now have responsibility for that child.  You need to feed them, educate them, give them jobs... That's now your decision.

I like how the complete lack of personal responsibility has so pervaded the liberal mindset that they think if they can't abort a baby that's "forcing" someone to have a baby.  It's as if the thought of birth control or even a little self-control is beyond the ability of a normal human being.  That's what liberals think about other people - that they are wild animals with no ability to control themselves.

Why do you have so little faith in your fellow humans, Skeuomorph?


He's seen what life is like with conservatives in control.
 
2013-07-23 09:47:09 AM

bdub77: His ignore list must be staggering.


Enough to fill the Albert Hall.  By the way, welcome to it.  F*ck all the dime store, 8th grade lunch table snotty remark brigade straight up their asses.  You're welcome.  Topics.  Look it up.
 
2013-07-23 09:51:46 AM

bunner: bdub77: His ignore list must be staggering.

Enough to fill the Albert Hall.  By the way, welcome to it.  F*ck all the dime store, 8th grade lunch table snotty remark brigade straight up their asses.  You're welcome.  Topics.  Look it up.


keep it up, this thread is going to be blank to you...
 
2013-07-23 09:53:31 AM
See, here's the deal. FARK.com is, allegedly, a website that aggregates news stories and allows users to comment, pontificate upon and engage in discourse thereabout and therewith.  If you shut off all the people who come here to stir up sh*t, incite anger and generally act like dicks, straw man architects and amateur projectionists with anonymity, the site works as designed.  Isn't technology wonderful.  Clean break.  Go.
 
2013-07-23 09:54:25 AM

ManateeGag: bunner: bdub77: His ignore list must be staggering.

Enough to fill the Albert Hall.  By the way, welcome to it.  F*ck all the dime store, 8th grade lunch table snotty remark brigade straight up their asses.  You're welcome.  Topics.  Look it up.

keep it up, this thread is going to be blank to you...


Thank you for your concern.
 
2013-07-23 09:59:57 AM
8 and a half minutes?!  I think I'll stick with removing my own gall bladder with a spoon, thanks.  Much more enjoyable.
 
2013-07-23 10:02:38 AM
I remember when Holder said Americans were cowards afraid to have a conversation about race.

I also remember how as soon as you bring it up the conversation is stifled by someone calling someone a racist for wanting to have that conversation.
 
2013-07-23 10:06:20 AM

Giltric: I remember when Holder said Americans were cowards afraid to have a conversation about race.

I also remember how as soon as you bring it up the conversation is stifled by someone calling someone a racist for wanting to have that conversation.


Which is sort of the problem.  So far, the solution to the two disparate societies in America on any front is to immediately kidnap the high ground morally by barking your deeply felt disdain for anybody who acknowledges it, bask in your piety and wander back to your more tidy life where either such problems don't exist, or you demand to be allowed to blame them for everything.  With your halo or crutch intact.  So far, it ain't dong sh*t.
 
2013-07-23 10:06:37 AM
He has some valid points.
 
2013-07-23 10:09:09 AM
"The culture that we have in this nation does lead to criminal profiling, because young black men are so often involved in crime."

It's cyclical, Bill. Let's use an example.

For example, LOTS (and I mean LOTS) of people smoke marijuana. Many of them carry that stuff with them into cars. Not just black people, white people, hispanics. Lots of people smoke weed. I don't know the statistics but it's pretty common.

Now, if you continually profile black people and pull them over 5 times more often than white people and once pulled over they are 10 times more prone to a search of the car, what do you think the result is? More black people arrested and incarcerated.

And what is the impact of that? They go to jail (perhaps, depending on circumstances), they may be punished in terms of the circumstances of their jobs, education, etc. And as more black people live in poverty, they are less likely to be able to hire a competent lawyer to get off. So they do the jail time or pay hefty fines. They are therefore more likely to re-enter the cycle of poverty and do more jailtime because of their inability to move out of the circumstances of their situation. Many end up long-term in jail.

Now let's say men are much more likely than women to end up in jail. Now to O'Reilly's next point.

"They blame the barbarity on guns or poor education or lack of jobs. Rarely do they define the problem accurately. The reason there is so much violence and chaos is because of the disintegration of the African American family."

Wonder why that is, Bill? Is it because it isn't one thing?

The problem is cyclical, and you can't nail one thing down as the sole cause. Crime is the result of disintegration of family life, which is the result of poverty, which is the result of lack of education AND racial profiling, which is the result of crime...which is the result of disintegration of family life...And each one defines another.

it goes on and on my friend.

Improving education, legalizing drugs, reducing recidivism, and recognizing our own personal biases that lead to racial profiling would go a long way toward fixing the cyclical problems that plague the 'black community' which is not as much a community as it is a group of people who share a common skin color and experience as the result of that skin color.
 
2013-07-23 10:11:42 AM
In other news, Bill O'Reilly isn't black and doesn't live in a black community.
 
2013-07-23 10:12:34 AM

Rascalian: He has some valid points.


Which is what I stated initially, but adding that - should somebody get all "looka here, Mr. O'Reilly" about the obviously bankrupt, hypocritical, and detrimental clusterf*ck that is greed culture - unka Bill would likely have a harrumph fit.  My essential tenet is that we either all sit down and address the actual dispensing mechanisms for ALL the various flavors of horsesh*t we tell ourselves, without looking for a bolthole for whatever might serve us as individuals more conveniently or it's just gonna implode.
 
2013-07-23 10:16:19 AM

Kuta: In other news, Bill O'Reilly isn't black and doesn't live in a black community.


Isn't that sort of a bullsh*t and racist excuse for anything?  Like, at all?
 
2013-07-23 10:18:27 AM
See if Bill can replace every reference to black with references to "The Irish" and then we can talk.
 
2013-07-23 10:19:15 AM

bdub77: Crime is the result of disintegration of family life, which is the result of poverty, which is the result of lack of education AND racial profiling, which is the result of crime...which is the result of disintegration of family life...And each one defines another.


I'm sorry, but this is bullshiat. Poor has been prevalent in human history, not rich. Were your claim true, families would never have formed.  In historical terms, our "poor" are wealthy.

This is not a wealth issue.
 
2013-07-23 10:22:34 AM

bdub77: For example, LOTS (and I mean LOTS) of people smoke marijuana. Many of them carry that stuff with them into cars. Not just black people, white people, hispanics. Lots of people smoke weed. I don't know the statistics but it's pretty common.

Now, if you continually profile black people and pull them over 5 times more often than white people and once pulled over they are 10 times more prone to a search of the car, what do you think the result is? More black people arrested and incarcerated.


How come an entire group of people doesn't figure out they get pulled over 5 times more than anyone else and instead of leaving he herb or gun at home they still take it with them in the car?
 
2013-07-23 10:22:44 AM
I like how people always frame it as "problems in the black community," as though it were somehow exclusive to black people. They point out that the statistics, but ignore the other side of those statistics - it literally states that all other races suffer from the same problems to some degree. Clearly, then, there must be some other source of the problems.

Gee, I wonder what other things could breed crime, poor education, and large families born from unexpected pregnancies.


If you can't figure out why "liberals" think you're a racist for focusing only on the black community while quoting statistics that show that all races have the same issues in low-income areas, then you're probably just farking stupid. And racist.

Now, we can have a conversation on the effects of generational poverty, but that would bring out the "welfare" hounds.
 
2013-07-23 10:23:23 AM
We were raised in a culture that promised endless growth and opportunity for anybody who wants to stand on their own two feet. Let's overlook that we bought this untenable load of crap and focus on the fact that the grease that kept that machinery moving has been scraped off and moved to either offshore factories or offshore accounts and look really hard at what's left.  And admit that if we're, any of us not blessed with an elite pedigree, are going to survive - we're gonna have to look at the fact that white people in this country were utter bastards for along time, that most of those utter bastards are dead and that you can't climb out of a hole with crooked  crutch.
 
2013-07-23 10:24:45 AM

Rascalian: He has some valid points.


If you're a simpleton, yes. I mean everything he says makes sense, right? Except his logic is linear and not cyclical. In fact the problem isn't even cyclical. It's a bunch of self-reinforcing issues. Lack of education can result both from lack of home life, poverty, and drugs. Crime can result from lack of education and poverty and family life. Murder can result from lack of education and drugs and poverty and family life, and to some smaller degree some gangsta rap videos. Use of drugs can result from poverty, lack of education or career, family life.

Can't it be a multitude of separately addressable yet tightly aligned issues? Why do people think it's just a few?
 
2013-07-23 10:27:08 AM

Giltric: bdub77: For example, LOTS (and I mean LOTS) of people smoke marijuana. Many of them carry that stuff with them into cars. Not just black people, white people, hispanics. Lots of people smoke weed. I don't know the statistics but it's pretty common.

Now, if you continually profile black people and pull them over 5 times more often than white people and once pulled over they are 10 times more prone to a search of the car, what do you think the result is? More black people arrested and incarcerated.

How come an entire group of people doesn't figure out they get pulled over 5 times more than anyone else and instead of leaving he herb or gun at home they still take it with them in the car?


Because people on weed are dumb. Take the teenager who put his dick on a Subway sandwich, for example. I'm just sayin. But you're correct in that it's not exactly rocket science.

I think the gun culture thing is very problematic.
 
2013-07-23 10:27:46 AM

Kuta: In other news, Bill O'Reilly isn't black and doesn't live in a black community.


I am not black but I have lived in a couple different "black" communities.

And by black I mean low rent, low income communities...ie poor......but in order to give my children something better than a roach infested apartment and a landlord that never replaced the boiler for the apartment building leaving the residents with no heat for 3 years I figured I had to do something about it myself instead of waiting for superman to come rescue me.


But that would be considered bootstrappy...which liberals have turned into a word that is as vile as the word nigg*r
 
2013-07-23 10:31:20 AM
I don't like O'Reilly but he was just about 100% correct there.
 
2013-07-23 10:31:35 AM

bunner: Kuta: In other news, Bill O'Reilly isn't black and doesn't live in a black community.

Isn't that sort of a bullsh*t and racist excuse for anything?  Like, at all?


The only valid points made in that rant were the statistics about the rates of homicides committed by black youth versus non-black youth.

The rest of his rant was attributing cause to the statistics. There were no evidence provided for any of his other assertions. Not to say that some of his points aren't contributing factors, but he did not present anything even remotely resembling an even-handed conversation. He said that himself up front that as a pundit his "conversation" would be anything but.

His audience wanted to hear him say those things, so he said them, whether or not they are true. His only solutions were to tap his magic wand and instantly change everyone's mindset no matter where they live. And if that doesn't work immediately, then the government should dismantle the social safety net.

No, O'Reilly didn't make some valid points. He made one single, solitary valid point and the rest was his opinions, standard tropes and rhetoric.
 
2013-07-23 10:31:48 AM

Shryke: I'm sorry, but this is bullshiat. Poor has been prevalent in human history, not rich. Were your claim true, families would never have formed.  In historical terms, our "poor" are wealthy.

This is not a wealth issue.


Marriages are under considerable strain under impoverished conditions, moreso than others. Wage stagnation in this country hasn't helped. Poverty can make marriage much more difficult. Have you never fought over money or bills?

Anyway it's not the sole source. It's multi-factorial.
 
2013-07-23 10:34:28 AM

Giltric: But that would be considered bootstrappy...which liberals have turned into a word that is as vile as the word nigg*r


Nah.  It's just really difficult to do when you can't afford boots.  And anybody who thinks that this problem is solely the domain of a specific ethnic group isn't reading the papers.  The guy up the street who hasn't got a pot to piss in either isn't the problem.  It's the guy with 16 bathrooms who pays his Chinese workers 27¢ a day.  That being said, you have to try and do something about your circumstances in spite of avaricious old men dismantling the ground you're standing on.  Ghettos are how you live, not where you live. And thy can be installed anywhere by people of any color.  All it takes is one person taking without putting back, one person expecting without trying and one person telling them to blame each other and acept the things that created the ghetto as "the way it is.
 
2013-07-23 10:36:56 AM

Kuta: The rest of his rant was attributing cause to the statistics.


So, statistics are just manufactured at random in some office someplace and tacked up on phone poles for review?  There are no causative or correlative effects?  'Cause, like, I think that's the whole point of statistics.
 
2013-07-23 10:38:59 AM

bdub77: Shryke: I'm sorry, but this is bullshiat. Poor has been prevalent in human history, not rich. Were your claim true, families would never have formed.  In historical terms, our "poor" are wealthy.

This is not a wealth issue.

Marriages are under considerable strain under impoverished conditions, moreso than others. Wage stagnation in this country hasn't helped. Poverty can make marriage much more difficult. Have you never fought over money or bills?

Anyway it's not the sole source. It's multi-factorial.


I will point out that every race of immigrant to this country came dirt-poor and oppressed to one degree or another. Yet families endured - spectacularly, in many cases. Did the Depression destroy the family unit? Hardly.

Further, were your claim true, wealth should at least provide some strengthening of the family unit. Do you have evidence of that? Are American blacks, surely among the wealthiest of black populations globally, enjoying better marriage statistics than their African counterparts, for example?
 
2013-07-23 10:40:02 AM
Billy's got his facts straight and makes some good points (shudder).

Nobody wants to talk about the massively lopsided crime statistics. You're shouted down as a racist if you even bring it up. I watched a few weeks ago as one farker claimed per capita statistics were racist.

Can't do anything but shake your head and laugh, really. It's hard to fix anything when people just want to play the race card and not address the problem itself.
 
2013-07-23 10:41:34 AM

bunner: It's the guy with 16 bathrooms who pays his Chinese workers 27¢ a day.


Bah. This is leftist nonsense, and certainly not the problem.
 
2013-07-23 10:42:31 AM

Shryke: leftist nonsense


And that's where you just put on your 1955 goggles and lost the plot.
 
2013-07-23 10:45:29 AM
A man known for hyperbole on a network known for hyperbole and racism is going to tell people we need a mature conversation about the state of the "black community"...  yeah that'll go over well...
 
2013-07-23 10:45:54 AM
Some of the people in this thread have decided that I am either a leftist libby lib libby tard or a grinding racist GOPer already, simply because topic of this thread demands that you come to the table with one of those views and a sense of superiority that you do not subscribe to whichever one you are certain is wrong.  And that's the whole problem.
 
2013-07-23 10:47:47 AM
If your only sorting filter is a false dichotomy, the particular line it is drawn upon irrelevant at best, then you never learn, change or view anything accurately.  You just whack away with that hammer until whatever you're dealing with looks like a nail.
 
2013-07-23 10:48:25 AM

bunner: Some of the people in this thread have decided that I am either a leftist libby lib libby tard or a grinding racist GOPer already, simply because topic of this thread demands that you come to the table with one of those views and a sense of superiority that you do not subscribe to whichever one you are certain is wrong.  And that's the whole problem.


I decried your statement, not you personally. You should learn the difference.
 
2013-07-23 10:50:11 AM

Shryke: I will point out that every race of immigrant to this country came dirt-poor and oppressed to one degree or another. Yet families endured - spectacularly, in many cases. Did the Depression destroy the family unit? Hardly.

Further, were your claim true, wealth should at least provide some strengthening of the family unit. Do you have evidence of that? Are American blacks, surely among the wealthiest of black populations globally, enjoying better marriage statistics than their African counterparts, for example?


Marriage rates decreased by almost 20% the first few years of the Great Depression, and increased mainly because women had increasing unemployment problems and therefore married to escape their own monetary problems.

Second, marriage rates among middle and upper class families have not declined, while marriage rates have plummeted both for white and minority working-class families. This isn't really about white vs. black.
 
2013-07-23 10:50:23 AM

Shryke: You should learn the difference.


Strike two.  And my statement is spot on.  There's only so many slices of pizza the fat guy can eat until you have to serve your family the carton for supper.
 
2013-07-23 10:51:25 AM

Wall_of_Doodoo: bunner: Kuta: The rest of his rant was attributing cause to the statistics.

So, statistics are just manufactured at random in some office someplace and tacked up on phone poles for review?  There are no causative or correlative effects?  'Cause, like, I think that's the whole point of statistics.

But it's a rich WHITE guy talking about poor BLACK people statistics and therefore racist by its very nature.

If there's one thing you should know by now, it's that statistics are one of the most racists of the maths. (the worst offender, of course, is multiplying fractions. It totally hates the blacks.)


7/10 comedy relief.   :  )
 
2013-07-23 10:51:51 AM

bunner: Some of the people in this thread have decided that I am either a leftist libby lib libby tard or a grinding racist GOPer already, simply because topic of this thread demands that you come to the table with one of those views and a sense of superiority that you do not subscribe to whichever one you are certain is wrong.  And that's the whole problem.


dude are you a worker for some kind of false flag operation trying to shut down discussion on black issues with gibberish?
 
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