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(Reason Magazine)   Michael Bloomberg wants to push New Yorkers up stairs   (reason.com) divider line 44
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2013-07-23 08:14:36 AM
3 votes:
Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs... NO, I don't want to take the slow-assed elevator up one flight to my dentist, but if you can't even get to the stairs, what can you do?
2013-07-23 08:30:43 AM
2 votes:
I'm not sure what's worse. The article. Bloomberg. Or the people in this thread.
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2013-07-23 08:29:32 AM
2 votes:
If you read about it on a real news source it sounds like a good program.  It doesn't surprise me that "reason" would try to turn it into a fascist conspiracy.

Removing impediments to exercise is a good idea.  It's not like he is banning elevators.  If you are bulking up to get your free social security scooter you can still take the elevator.
2013-07-23 08:28:40 AM
2 votes:
I run up the stairs on the subway every day. I also wish I could run up the stairs to work, so this is a welcome change. Bloomberg is a cock for a lot of reasons, but obesity is a problem. And from judging from photos on Fark, conservatives want to drop dead of a cholesterol-soaked heart attack before their diabetic foot commits suicide first.
2013-07-23 08:23:03 AM
2 votes:

Merltech: Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?


Most of Manhattan violates the ADA.  Not so sure about the other boroughs.
2013-07-23 08:20:12 AM
2 votes:
If someone is only going up to the 2nd or 3rd, they don't need to be taking the elevator anyway.  That just slows the trip down for people on higher floors.
2013-07-23 08:19:41 AM
2 votes:

KyngNothing: Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs... NO, I don't want to take the slow-assed elevator up one flight to my dentist, but if you can't even get to the stairs, what can you do?


Buildings that hide the stairs to promote the elevator are annoying as hell.  Even moreso are the ones that have the stairwells in plain sight but locked/alarmed at all times and only accessible when a building emergency occurs.
2013-07-23 08:18:32 AM
2 votes:

cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


I agree but I can see where he is coming from. the nation's biggest health problem (and I would argue any problem) is obesity. it costs us more than everything else combined. people are not being responsible for their own health.
his problem is trying to mandate it by decree.
2013-07-23 08:13:46 AM
2 votes:
Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators

Oh my god freedom is dead forever.
2013-07-23 07:44:11 AM
2 votes:
Ah yes. Stairs. The most insidious aspect of the Nanny State.

Not his papers please stop and frisk policies. Not his statements that black people should be stopped and frisked more. Not his continual support for the war on drugs.

But stairs.
2013-07-23 01:11:11 PM
1 votes:
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2013-07-23 12:04:13 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.

This sounds extremely shady.


Yeah, my first reaction was WTF?  But, as I've read the hipaa disclosures at my docs office, it only says that they can't share your info without your consent, and if you sign the consent, they can share the info.


Still, it's farking unnerving that this is what we've become.
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Nobody said conservative republicans were on the up and up.  I am pretty sure that if they could legally get away with having their employees on medicaid, they'd gladly do it.
2013-07-23 11:11:46 AM
1 votes:

tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.


This sounds extremely shady.
2013-07-23 10:56:18 AM
1 votes:

chaosangel: Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.

I am guessing some solutions will be market based.  Eventually, insurance companies will have to wade in to bring down the costs.

When repugs complain about paying for my birth control (for my sins of lust), I say they have a valid point.  So, no birth control for me and no erectile dysfunction drugs for you (which have pretty much always been covered, BTW).

But why stop there?  Why should I pay for your sins of gluttony and sloth?  Your lifestyle choices bring greater risks, so your premiums should be higher. Whereas I work very hard to stay fit and healthy, so how about a discount for those of us who try?  Of course the teabaggers, who scream about personal responsibility, are just full of denial and/or excuses when it comes to their taking responsibilty for their choices.

Unfortunately, having obestiy recently declared a disease (oh please) throws a major wrench in my brilliant plan.


My fiancée has a shiatty, company managed health plan.  It doesn't pay for shiat, really (as an aside, her company is run by conservative republicans, go figure).  Their premiums go up every year because the owners "are putting way too much money into it".  My fiancée nets them 10 million dollars a year (total sales of 22 million - no shiat).  The owners are literal billionaires, and don't want to buy a decent health plan to take care of the people who, well, make them billionaires.

Anyway, I digress.

My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup.  In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.  You fail if you're a fatty.
2013-07-23 10:33:58 AM
1 votes:

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DO NOT TRUST THE SHOVING ROBOT!!!  PUSHING WILL SAVE YOU FROM THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE!

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2013-07-23 10:29:38 AM
1 votes:
Stairs, hunh? We just call 'em streets. They're good for you. Build character.

Maybe get you to stop whining about small drinks.

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2013-07-23 10:08:13 AM
1 votes:
I was at a work-related conference when this stat was given in a presentation: The average american can reduce their risk of stroke by 30% by climbing 2 minutes of stairs per day. It was kinda gross to hear. I tried to find the study to cite it, but it was a conference from April (presentation by the Convergence Partnership). Especially in suburban areas, this must be the routine: out of bed, in a car, sit at a desk, get in a car, sit on a couch, get in bed. Eat several times per day. Repeat.

As for TFA, I think letting people know where the stairs are and making them more visible is a good thing. It could be promoted from a safety standpoint as well - firefighters should be able to enter a lobby and know right away where the stairs are - and people should be able to know where they will end up if they have to use them.
2013-07-23 09:38:03 AM
1 votes:

The Crepes of Wrath: Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.

Another variant of zero tolerance, which works incredibly well.


The only people I'd eliminate would be the ones who want to thin the herd. It's your plan, jagoff; you first.
2013-07-23 09:26:38 AM
1 votes:
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2013-07-23 09:07:14 AM
1 votes:
I know my time in NYC was only a week in Manhattan and I was doing "touristy" stuff a lot of the time, but I walked more there than at any time in my life.You pretty much had too.  Even if you took the subway you still had to walk a good ways.  At the latter part of the week my shins were killing me.  From my perspective lack of physical activity such as walking isn't that big of a problem in NYC.
2013-07-23 08:56:03 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space


The shover robot tells me that shoving is the answer...  Who am I to believe?
2013-07-23 08:55:08 AM
1 votes:

Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space


THANK you! Jeez, took this long to get it right!
2013-07-23 08:43:47 AM
1 votes:
I'm not always on board with uncle Mike, but this is good. I don't give a shiat about smokers, the obese, and people who drive gas guzzlers. Burn the extra calories from that deli sammich (cause you know how many fat grams was in it).
2013-07-23 08:37:26 AM
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.


I can't believe everyone was duped in to allowing the tyranny of access to stairs and signs showing you where they are. Truly, evil only prevails when good men do nothing.
2013-07-23 08:34:51 AM
1 votes:
He should combine strategies to make his policies a little easier to swallow.  For example, why don't we make 32 oz sodas available exclusively on fifth floor establishments with no elevators?

I think it would be a step in the right direction and perhaps it wouldn't fizzle out this time.
2013-07-23 08:32:41 AM
1 votes:
This one, I actually agree with.
2013-07-23 08:32:00 AM
1 votes:

Merltech: Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?


What you might think he's doing: shutting down escalators and elevators and mandating new buildings don't have them.
What he's really doing: not that
2013-07-23 08:30:07 AM
1 votes:
I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.
2013-07-23 08:28:45 AM
1 votes:

cman: Alonjar: "I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs.

Interesting.  I personally go with the unconventional strategy of  not eating too much.

I started dieting and exercising recently. I have noticed that it is very easy to diet. All I have to do is not buy stuff that has a shiatton of calories. Along with that I have sworn off meat until I am down to my goal of what my weight should be.

Its so friggin easy to diet. Soup, salad, and/or fruit is perfect for ones daily needs


One thing I did years ago to help me lose weight was to buy lots of cherry tomatoes, which I would put in a large bowl in the fridge, and that bowl was always on the top shelf, front and center.  Any time I went to the fridge because I wanted something to munch on I would grab a few tomatoes.  It helped to keep my appetite under control.
2013-07-23 08:24:12 AM
1 votes:

Alonjar: "I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs.

Interesting.  I personally go with the unconventional strategy of  not eating too much.


I started dieting and exercising recently. I have noticed that it is very easy to diet. All I have to do is not buy stuff that has a shiatton of calories. Along with that I have sworn off meat until I am down to my goal of what my weight should be.

Its so friggin easy to diet. Soup, salad, and/or fruit is perfect for ones daily needs
2013-07-23 08:23:36 AM
1 votes:

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.


quit subsidizing corn would be a start.
2013-07-23 08:20:39 AM
1 votes:
"I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs.

Interesting.  I personally go with the unconventional strategy of  not eating too much.
2013-07-23 08:17:45 AM
1 votes:
So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.
2013-07-23 08:16:28 AM
1 votes:

KyngNothing: Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs... NO, I don't want to take the slow-assed elevator up one flight to my dentist, but if you can't even get to the stairs, what can you do?


They hide the stairs because they are required to have fire doors, as those are the primary means of escape in an emergency.

If they *DIDN'T* have that, then the stairs would become chimneys in a fire.
2013-07-23 08:16:13 AM
1 votes:
I can get on board with merely encouraging NYers to exercise more. I personally think the citibike thing is going in a good direction. And providing easier access to the stairs is not a bad idea. But I won't climb the steps to my office (11th fl) after coming in from the 100 degree heat every morning after getting out of those disgusting subway stations. I'm already covered in enough sweat.
2013-07-23 08:15:07 AM
1 votes:

cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


Well what he's doing is pretty much what big government is supposed to do.
2013-07-23 08:12:51 AM
1 votes:
Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.
2013-07-23 08:12:47 AM
1 votes:
he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space
2013-07-23 08:11:24 AM
1 votes:
There is so much grime in NYC, I wouldn't want to climb the stairs because sucking wind is going to give me lung cancer.
2013-07-23 08:06:42 AM
1 votes:
I guess most NYC voters like stairs. The others sound fat.
2013-07-23 08:05:06 AM
1 votes:

Make More Hinjews: In related news, once they get to the top of the stairs, over 70% of NYers want to push him down again!


Aaaaaaand we're done.
2013-07-23 08:03:55 AM
1 votes:

vernonFL: His Lower East Side apartment doesn't have an elevator, he said.

"I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs. The hallway smells like urine", he said.


It wouldn't smell that way if you stopped pissing on your constituents, Mike.
2013-07-23 02:24:28 AM
1 votes:
Go the f*ck away, retreat to some palace somewhere, leave normal Americans the f*ck alone. You mean well, but your expectations are absurd.
2013-07-23 01:33:53 AM
1 votes:
"I rarely use the elevator in my townhouse."

And Prince Charles rarely has the royal servants wipe his ass.
 
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