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2013-07-23 12:35:13 AM  
In related news, once they get to the top of the stairs, over 70% of NYers want to push him down again!
 
2013-07-23 01:33:53 AM  
"I rarely use the elevator in my townhouse."

And Prince Charles rarely has the royal servants wipe his ass.
 
2013-07-23 02:24:28 AM  
Go the f*ck away, retreat to some palace somewhere, leave normal Americans the f*ck alone. You mean well, but your expectations are absurd.
 
2013-07-23 07:42:16 AM  
His Lower East Side apartment doesn't have an elevator, he said.

"I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs. The hallway smells like urine", he said.
 
2013-07-23 07:44:11 AM  
Ah yes. Stairs. The most insidious aspect of the Nanny State.

Not his papers please stop and frisk policies. Not his statements that black people should be stopped and frisked more. Not his continual support for the war on drugs.

But stairs.
 
2013-07-23 07:51:01 AM  
I personally think what  Generalissimo Franco Mayor Bloomberg is doing will serve as a referendum for improving the country.
 
2013-07-23 08:03:46 AM  
Waiting to watch someone (anyone!) go all-Hitler on Mikey.

/Allow me to fire up the oven..............
 
2013-07-23 08:03:55 AM  

vernonFL: His Lower East Side apartment doesn't have an elevator, he said.

"I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs. The hallway smells like urine", he said.


It wouldn't smell that way if you stopped pissing on your constituents, Mike.
 
2013-07-23 08:05:06 AM  

Make More Hinjews: In related news, once they get to the top of the stairs, over 70% of NYers want to push him down again!


Aaaaaaand we're done.
 
2013-07-23 08:06:42 AM  
I guess most NYC voters like stairs. The others sound fat.
 
2013-07-23 08:11:24 AM  
There is so much grime in NYC, I wouldn't want to climb the stairs because sucking wind is going to give me lung cancer.
 
2013-07-23 08:11:54 AM  
"I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs."

Well, he's convinced me. From now on I'm going to be like Michael Bloomberg and also going stop using the elevator in my five-floor house.  While I'm at it, maybe I'll do the same whenever I'm on my luxury yacht too.
 
2013-07-23 08:12:47 AM  
he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space
 
2013-07-23 08:12:49 AM  
fark Michael Bloomberg
 
2013-07-23 08:12:51 AM  
Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.
 
2013-07-23 08:13:46 AM  
Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators

Oh my god freedom is dead forever.
 
2013-07-23 08:14:36 AM  
Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs... NO, I don't want to take the slow-assed elevator up one flight to my dentist, but if you can't even get to the stairs, what can you do?
 
2013-07-23 08:15:06 AM  
He is the space robots and he is here to protect us.
 
2013-07-23 08:15:07 AM  

cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


Well what he's doing is pretty much what big government is supposed to do.
 
2013-07-23 08:15:17 AM  
Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?
 
2013-07-23 08:16:12 AM  
He also has an initiative to push around the blind people and shove bread down their throats.

/I will push grandma outside into the snow.
 
2013-07-23 08:16:13 AM  
I can get on board with merely encouraging NYers to exercise more. I personally think the citibike thing is going in a good direction. And providing easier access to the stairs is not a bad idea. But I won't climb the steps to my office (11th fl) after coming in from the 100 degree heat every morning after getting out of those disgusting subway stations. I'm already covered in enough sweat.
 
2013-07-23 08:16:28 AM  

KyngNothing: Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs... NO, I don't want to take the slow-assed elevator up one flight to my dentist, but if you can't even get to the stairs, what can you do?


They hide the stairs because they are required to have fire doors, as those are the primary means of escape in an emergency.

If they *DIDN'T* have that, then the stairs would become chimneys in a fire.
 
2013-07-23 08:17:45 AM  
So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.
 
2013-07-23 08:18:32 AM  

cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


I agree but I can see where he is coming from. the nation's biggest health problem (and I would argue any problem) is obesity. it costs us more than everything else combined. people are not being responsible for their own health.
his problem is trying to mandate it by decree.
 
2013-07-23 08:19:38 AM  

dittybopper: KyngNothing: Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs... NO, I don't want to take the slow-assed elevator up one flight to my dentist, but if you can't even get to the stairs, what can you do?

They hide the stairs because they are required to have fire doors, as those are the primary means of escape in an emergency.

If they *DIDN'T* have that, then the stairs would become chimneys in a fire.


I don't care if there's a door with "Stairs" on it. I'm talking about buildings (like the one my office is in) where you can't even get to the stairs from the main lobby.
 
2013-07-23 08:19:41 AM  

KyngNothing: Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs... NO, I don't want to take the slow-assed elevator up one flight to my dentist, but if you can't even get to the stairs, what can you do?


Buildings that hide the stairs to promote the elevator are annoying as hell.  Even moreso are the ones that have the stairwells in plain sight but locked/alarmed at all times and only accessible when a building emergency occurs.
 
2013-07-23 08:20:02 AM  
He sure is trying hard to help people who don't want to help themselves*.

* excluding buffets or fountain drinks
 
2013-07-23 08:20:12 AM  
If someone is only going up to the 2nd or 3rd, they don't need to be taking the elevator anyway.  That just slows the trip down for people on higher floors.
 
2013-07-23 08:20:39 AM  
"I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs.

Interesting.  I personally go with the unconventional strategy of  not eating too much.
 
2013-07-23 08:21:49 AM  

lookandsee: I can get on board with merely encouraging NYers to exercise more. I personally think the citibike thing is going in a good direction. And providing easier access to the stairs is not a bad idea. But I won't climb the steps to my office (11th fl) after coming in from the 100 degree heat every morning after getting out of those disgusting subway stations. I'm already covered in enough sweat.


And the smell of urine.  Seriously, I could deal with the heat in those ridiculously hot, unventilated stations- but the acrid smell of piss...that, that really put me over the farking edge.
 
2013-07-23 08:22:19 AM  
Pushing them down the stairs is more fun.

4.bp.blogspot.com
/Tommy Udo, we hardly knew ya'.
 
2013-07-23 08:23:03 AM  

Merltech: Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?


Most of Manhattan violates the ADA.  Not so sure about the other boroughs.
 
2013-07-23 08:23:03 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.


The simple brilliance of this is awe inspiring.
 
2013-07-23 08:23:36 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.


quit subsidizing corn would be a start.
 
2013-07-23 08:24:12 AM  

Alonjar: "I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs.

Interesting.  I personally go with the unconventional strategy of  not eating too much.


I started dieting and exercising recently. I have noticed that it is very easy to diet. All I have to do is not buy stuff that has a shiatton of calories. Along with that I have sworn off meat until I am down to my goal of what my weight should be.

Its so friggin easy to diet. Soup, salad, and/or fruit is perfect for ones daily needs
 
2013-07-23 08:24:39 AM  
Dear Mayor Bloomberg,

You are the Mayor of New York City, not its mother.  But, since you insist on being the mother then turn off all the escalators that are under the authority of the City.  That is one place to start.  Not only will you help New Yorkers take the stairs but think of all the money the city will save by not running the escalators!
 
2013-07-23 08:24:47 AM  

KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...


Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.
 
2013-07-23 08:24:51 AM  

rk1i: Merltech: Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?

Most of Manhattan violates the ADA.  Not so sure about the other boroughs.


Actually, what I should have said is that most of Manhattan feels like it's saying "Go be disabled somewhere else."
 
2013-07-23 08:25:08 AM  
Simple, really.

Elevator tax kiosk in all elevators:

$0.25 per floor or $5 flat rate "Skyscraper Special".
 
2013-07-23 08:26:38 AM  

Merltech: Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?


No.
 
2013-07-23 08:28:40 AM  
I run up the stairs on the subway every day. I also wish I could run up the stairs to work, so this is a welcome change. Bloomberg is a cock for a lot of reasons, but obesity is a problem. And from judging from photos on Fark, conservatives want to drop dead of a cholesterol-soaked heart attack before their diabetic foot commits suicide first.
 
2013-07-23 08:28:45 AM  

cman: Alonjar: "I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs.

Interesting.  I personally go with the unconventional strategy of  not eating too much.

I started dieting and exercising recently. I have noticed that it is very easy to diet. All I have to do is not buy stuff that has a shiatton of calories. Along with that I have sworn off meat until I am down to my goal of what my weight should be.

Its so friggin easy to diet. Soup, salad, and/or fruit is perfect for ones daily needs


One thing I did years ago to help me lose weight was to buy lots of cherry tomatoes, which I would put in a large bowl in the fridge, and that bowl was always on the top shelf, front and center.  Any time I went to the fridge because I wanted something to munch on I would grab a few tomatoes.  It helped to keep my appetite under control.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-23 08:29:32 AM  
If you read about it on a real news source it sounds like a good program.  It doesn't surprise me that "reason" would try to turn it into a fascist conspiracy.

Removing impediments to exercise is a good idea.  It's not like he is banning elevators.  If you are bulking up to get your free social security scooter you can still take the elevator.
 
2013-07-23 08:30:07 AM  
I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.
 
2013-07-23 08:30:43 AM  
I'm not sure what's worse. The article. Bloomberg. Or the people in this thread.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-23 08:30:52 AM  

Alonjar: "I have five floors," Bloomberg said. "I take the stairs.

Interesting.  I personally go with the unconventional strategy of  not eating too much.


Yes, that's totally the same as excercise.
 
2013-07-23 08:31:43 AM  

Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space


Winner.
 
2013-07-23 08:31:48 AM  
I don't know if he's noticed, but NYC is the City of Stairs. It's like friggin' Kirkwall with hipsters. I can't remember the last day that passed without climbing at least four flights.

Bloombito solves problems that don't exist; film at 11.
 
2013-07-23 08:32:00 AM  

Merltech: Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?


What you might think he's doing: shutting down escalators and elevators and mandating new buildings don't have them.
What he's really doing: not that
 
2013-07-23 08:32:41 AM  
This one, I actually agree with.
 
2013-07-23 08:33:12 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.


I voted for Mr. The Rent Is Too Damn High, so don't look at me, pal.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-23 08:34:14 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: What you might think he's doing: shutting down escalators and elevators and mandating new buildings don't have them.
What he's really doing: not that


It's "reason" everything has to be an evil liberal conspiracy.
 
2013-07-23 08:34:51 AM  
He should combine strategies to make his policies a little easier to swallow.  For example, why don't we make 32 oz sodas available exclusively on fifth floor establishments with no elevators?

I think it would be a step in the right direction and perhaps it wouldn't fizzle out this time.
 
2013-07-23 08:37:26 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.


I can't believe everyone was duped in to allowing the tyranny of access to stairs and signs showing you where they are. Truly, evil only prevails when good men do nothing.
 
2013-07-23 08:41:39 AM  
Oh, is he back from peeing in the Indian river already?
 
2013-07-23 08:43:47 AM  
I'm not always on board with uncle Mike, but this is good. I don't give a shiat about smokers, the obese, and people who drive gas guzzlers. Burn the extra calories from that deli sammich (cause you know how many fat grams was in it).
 
2013-07-23 08:44:55 AM  
dilbert.com
 
2013-07-23 08:47:11 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.
 
2013-07-23 08:48:49 AM  

vudukungfu: Oh, is he back from peeing in the Indian river already?


I'm rather surprised that both he and Andrew Cuomo made it out of the Adirondacks alive, given the shiat they've pulled recently.  State troopers must have scoured the woods.
 
2013-07-23 08:48:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.

I can't believe everyone was duped in to allowing the tyranny of access to stairs and signs showing you where they are. Truly, evil only prevails when good men do nothing.


Ya, like the good ole boys in Mississippi who passed 'anti Bloomberg' legislation, ensuring their fat ass citizens stay uninformed.
 
2013-07-23 08:50:09 AM  
Fun fact, while New Yorkers can walk up stairs, they won't walk down them.
 
2013-07-23 08:51:25 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.


That sucks, so much faster to take the stairs in a situation like that.

Anyway, one January I came back to work with a resolution to get more exercise and decided to walk down from my 9th floor office. Building security was not amused.

/they were really pisssed when a bunch of us decided to take the stairs and set off alarms on 9/11 when we were being evacuated
 
2013-07-23 08:52:26 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: I'm not always on board with uncle Mike, but this is good.


Hear, hear. I find it particularly galling when a building's stairs are reserved for emergencies. Leave the elevator-vs-stairs decision up to the people involved.

We love making fun of anything and everything here (because, hey, it's Fark), but the Mayor is right about this one.
 
2013-07-23 08:52:50 AM  
Little babies!

vocalised.files.wordpress.com

www.royal-mile.com

farm5.staticflickr.com

Welcome to Edinburgh.
 
2013-07-23 08:53:49 AM  
Bloomberg, who has a compulsion to control people, is a better candidate to head DHS than a simple law enforcer like Kelly.
 
2013-07-23 08:53:51 AM  
It seems Bloomberg didn't even bother looking at how many calories something like this will really burn.  I don't think anyone's going to use the stairs if it will take them more than 2 minutes to reach the top, and a 300 lb person will only burn 40 calories at the 2 minute mark.

/I'm even being excessively generous with the 2 minute number.
 
2013-07-23 08:54:32 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises?


We don't.

You can't stop people from being lazy, fat motherf*ckers. Just look at this thread. People going completely apesh*t not because they will even be forced to take the stairs, but because they're discussing the possibility of "visible access to stairs and signs encouraging their use." The very idea of physical exercise upsets a lot of people. The whole 'ZOMFG NANYY SATTE!!111" sh*t is just a convenient cover.
 
2013-07-23 08:55:08 AM  

Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space


THANK you! Jeez, took this long to get it right!
 
2013-07-23 08:56:03 AM  

Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space


The shover robot tells me that shoving is the answer...  Who am I to believe?
 
2013-07-23 08:57:13 AM  
Only fat people take the elevator from the first to the second floor.

But that is their right.

/BBW
 
2013-07-23 08:58:56 AM  
I really hope this guy dies soon, preferably by a morbidly obese woman passing out on top of him.
 
2013-07-23 09:00:15 AM  
i take the stairs 95% of the time and i'm on the 4th floor (a high 4th floor, mind you).. it winds me a little bit but beats being a fatty.

If you look at pics back in the 70s of even NY, you will find that it is really farking hard to find a fatty. It's like a where's waldo to find one that's really obese.
 
2013-07-23 09:00:43 AM  

dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.



Where a company's offices aren't separated from the stairwell by corridor with limited access - most common when a company would occupy an entire floor - it was typical to have re-entry from a stairwell be restricted only to certain floors, even if all floors belonged to the same firm; most stairwell doors would lock behind you. It was especially the case with different companies occupying each floor, as unsecured stairwells meant you could walk unimpeded into another company's space (thus defeating the purpose of having controlled access from the elevator area).

Not sure if the NYFD fire code has changed generally since 9/11 regarding this access issue, but we had a change in my current (small) building re stairwell access to floors for safety reasons. All doors to the stairwells are required now to open on every floor.
 
2013-07-23 09:01:25 AM  
I don't know whether you'd consider Mayor Bloomberg a nanny or not, but have you considered that whenever it comes to public health initiatives (encouraging exercise, discouraging people from drinking and eating things that increase the risk of diabetes and heart attacks), conservatives are acting like a bunch of petulant little children ("you can't make me exercise, you're not the boss of me!").  In the health care debate, they brought up forcing everybody to eat broccoli, as if that was the worst thing ever in the world.
 
2013-07-23 09:01:39 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Bloomberg, who has a compulsion to control people, is a better candidate to head DHS than a simple law enforcer like Kelly.


How is allowing folks to use the stairs with greater ease controlling people? I mean he's a cock for a lot of reasons, but why are so many people completely missing what he's doing here? He's not preventing people from using escalators and elevators, he's trying to increase access to stairs. Many buildings, like my office, won't allow folks to go up the stairs to their floor, just down to the first for fires. This is changing that so that I can choose, if I want, to walk up my 4 flights of stairs instead. How is that controlling people?
 
2013-07-23 09:01:55 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Only fat people take the elevator from the first to the second floor.

But that is their right.

/BBW


Hey now, sometimes we take the escalator

/Standing in place the whole way up, of course
 
2013-07-23 09:02:45 AM  
According to  the NY Daily News, Bloomberg would "change city building codes to allow stairwells to remain open at all times - as long as they are outfitted with special mechanisms to close the doors in case of fire."

Wait, wut?  Every elevator I've ever seen bears a sign reading, "In case of fire, do not use elevator."  So WTF are people supposed to do in case of fire?

Oh, right:

farm4.staticflickr.com

OK, coffee finally kicks in.  "Closed" does not equal "locked."  An open stairwell door invites use of stairs. But still,  I thought ground floor stairwell doors were locked so bums wouldn't piss in there.
 
2013-07-23 09:03:47 AM  
Take the stairs, fatty. It won't kill you.
 
2013-07-23 09:04:08 AM  

Lydia_C: dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.


Where a company's offices aren't separated from the stairwell by corridor with limited access - most common when a company would occupy an entire floor - it was typical to have re-entry from a stairwell be restricted only to certain floors, even if all floors belonged to the same firm; most stairwell doors would lock behind you. It was especially the case with different companies occupying each floor, as unsecured stairwells meant you could walk unimpeded into another company's space (thus defeating the purpose of having controlled access from the elevator area).

Not sure if the NYFD fire code has changed generally since 9/11 regarding this access issue, but we had a change in my current (small) building re stairwell access to floors for safety reasons. All doors to the stairwells are required now to open on every floor.


To be clear: you can walk onto any floor in my building from the stairwell.

/of course, you have to get past the armed guards down in the lobby first
 
2013-07-23 09:04:29 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises?

We don't.

You can't stop people from being lazy, fat motherf*ckers. Just look at this thread. People going completely apesh*t not because they will even be forced to take the stairs, but because they're discussing the possibility of "visible access to stairs and signs encouraging their use." The very idea of physical exercise upsets a lot of people. The whole 'ZOMFG NANYY SATTE!!111" sh*t is just a convenient cover.


Humans are predisposed to love calorie dense food. It's how we survived so long.

Some of you just have way more willpower than us fat farks. Personally I'm going to try to exercise it off and moderate my eating, but not 'diet', or really stop eating what I want/like. Though ill stop getting 2nds, and incorporate more whole foods etc.
 
2013-07-23 09:05:03 AM  
TFA: "Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators"

Really? We're talking about modifications to signs they're already required to have?
So instead of "stairs over here" it'll be "please consider using the stairs that are over here"?

I realize Reason gets its panties in a bunch over the very concept of laws requiring owners of publicly-accessible property to do *anything*. 
But even this should be beneath them.
 
2013-07-23 09:07:14 AM  
I know my time in NYC was only a week in Manhattan and I was doing "touristy" stuff a lot of the time, but I walked more there than at any time in my life.You pretty much had too.  Even if you took the subway you still had to walk a good ways.  At the latter part of the week my shins were killing me.  From my perspective lack of physical activity such as walking isn't that big of a problem in NYC.
 
2013-07-23 09:08:12 AM  

cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


Demanding stairs be placed in a different spot? You realize that there are umteen regulations on stair placement already, so this just changes that to be somewhat more user-accessible? In fact, it's easier to architect instead of hiding the stairs like they currently do. Do you think stairs are just placed willy-nilly and that this impinges on the freedom of the architects and designers or something? Come on, I have seen conservative whining before, but this is pants-on-head retarded.
 
2013-07-23 09:09:04 AM  

ringersol: Really? We're talking about modifications to signs they're already required to have?
So instead of "stairs over here" it'll be "please consider using the stairs that are over here"?

I realize Reason gets its panties in a bunch over the very concept of laws requiring owners of publicly-accessible property to do *anything*.
But even this should be beneath them.


And yet look how many people on here are crying "tyranny." Stupid finds a way.
 
2013-07-23 09:10:33 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I thought ground floor stairwell doors were locked so bums wouldn't piss in there.


I am sure there are cases where this is a problem, but I can't think of one that applies to me.
 
2013-07-23 09:11:28 AM  

dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.


Many do.  It's particularly infuriating when a building is designed so that the stairs are an exit only, meaning that once a person is in the stairwell, all doors are locked so they can't enter any floor, forcing them to down to the bottom where the only door at that level is an exit to the street.

it's farking stupid, stupid, stupid.
 
2013-07-23 09:13:36 AM  
Meh, I rarely use an elevator if it's less then 6 flights.  Then again, my office is on the 18th floor.
 
2013-07-23 09:14:13 AM  

kroonermanblack: Some of you just have way more willpower than us fat farks. Personally I'm going to try to exercise it off and moderate my eating, but not 'diet', or really stop eating what I want/like. Though ill stop getting 2nds, and incorporate more whole foods etc.


As a self admitted skinny person, I have to say I just never understood this concept.  You have to go out of your way to go buy food, and eat it.  It takes  more effort and money to eat than to not eat.  Hell, I'm a lazy person.  Half the reason its easy for me to maintain weight is because I look at having to spend 20 or 30 minutes in front of a stove and I say "ehhh.... fark that."

Maybe my body just doesnt appreciate the taste of food as much as others.
 
2013-07-23 09:15:05 AM  
What?! Someone is trying to make Americans be healthy?! Fark him.


In some other countries the elevator doesn't even stop on floors 2-4. You want to go to floor 3? Take the stairs fatty or be in a wheel chair and use the disabled person's elevator.
 
2013-07-23 09:15:15 AM  
Asinine tag is for linking to Reason.
 
2013-07-23 09:16:50 AM  
Meanwhile, in Kansas City:

godigico.com
 
2013-07-23 09:17:17 AM  

Alonjar: kroonermanblack: Some of you just have way more willpower than us fat farks. Personally I'm going to try to exercise it off and moderate my eating, but not 'diet', or really stop eating what I want/like. Though ill stop getting 2nds, and incorporate more whole foods etc.

As a self admitted skinny person, I have to say I just never understood this concept.  You have to go out of your way to go buy food, and eat it.  It takes  more effort and money to eat than to not eat.  Hell, I'm a lazy person.   Half the reason its easy for me to maintain weight is because I look at having to spend 20 or 30 minutes in front of a stove and I say "ehhh.... fark that."

Maybe my body just doesnt appreciate the taste of food as much as others.


Now if there was only some way of speeding up the heating process. . .
I'd explain why a trip to the general store doesn't require a half day trip into town, but I've gotta go raid the vending machine.
 
2013-07-23 09:18:01 AM  

pueblonative: whenever it comes to public health initiatives (encouraging exercise, discouraging people from drinking and eating things that increase the risk of diabetes and heart attacks), conservatives are acting like a bunch of petulant little children ("you can't make me exercise, you're not the boss of me!").


And this situation doesn't even go that far.  It's not "You can't make me exercise, you're not the boss of me", the reality is that this is "You can't point out the existence of a slightly more healthy option, you're not the boss of me!"
 
2013-07-23 09:18:15 AM  

Lydia_C: Lydia_C: dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.


Where a company's offices aren't separated from the stairwell by corridor with limited access - most common when a company would occupy an entire floor - it was typical to have re-entry from a stairwell be restricted only to certain floors, even if all floors belonged to the same firm; most stairwell doors would lock behind you. It was especially the case with different companies occupying each floor, as unsecured stairwells meant you could walk unimpeded into another company's space (thus defeating the purpose of having controlled access from the elevator area).

Not sure if the NYFD fire code has changed generally since 9/11 regarding this access issue, but we had a change in my current (small) building re stairwell access to floors for safety reasons. All doors to the stairwells are required now to open on every floor.

To be clear: you can walk onto any floor in my building from the stairwell.

/of course, you have to get past the armed guards down in the lobby first


In my building's case, you have to somehow open the door even though there's no handle on the outside so it can only be opened from the stair side.
 
2013-07-23 09:18:16 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators

Oh my god freedom is dead forever.




Do you even know what freedom is?
 
2013-07-23 09:18:29 AM  

Marine1: Meanwhile, in Kansas City:

[godigico.com image 640x365]


There is one, maybe two people in that photo who might qualify as 'overweight' instead of obese. Middle America is a scary place.
 
2013-07-23 09:19:28 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.

Demanding stairs be placed in a different spot? You realize that there are umteen regulations on stair placement already, so this just changes that to be somewhat more user-accessible? In fact, it's easier to architect instead of hiding the stairs like they currently do. Do you think stairs are just placed willy-nilly and that this impinges on the freedom of the architects and designers or something? Come on, I have seen conservative whining before, but this is pants-on-head retarded.


You are right. Governments can demand changes on basis for reasons of public safety. My premise was wrong with the way it was worded.

Let me try that again:

Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot for the sole purpose of making someone act a certain way is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.
 
2013-07-23 09:19:44 AM  

kobrakai: ringersol: Really? We're talking about modifications to signs they're already required to have?
So instead of "stairs over here" it'll be "please consider using the stairs that are over here"?

I realize Reason gets its panties in a bunch over the very concept of laws requiring owners of publicly-accessible property to do *anything*.
But even this should be beneath them.

And yet look how many people on here are crying "tyranny." Stupid finds a way.



Kind of reminds me of a post I saw on Facebook this morning from a conservative 'friend" this morning: "First the government came for my light bulbs and now for my ceiling fans".  Of course this person has no problem with violating a person's 4th Amendment rights if they look Mexican.
 
2013-07-23 09:21:49 AM  

Carth: Marine1: Meanwhile, in Kansas City:

[godigico.com image 640x365]

There is one, maybe two people in that photo who might qualify as 'overweight' instead of obese. Middle America is a scary place.


*backhands Carth*

Do you know where that is? YOU WILL SHOW RESPECT.

/and there are both normal-weight and obese people in that pic
 
2013-07-23 09:22:03 AM  
The diet part is way more important than the exercise part (though everyone should be exercising too). It takes about 24 flights of stairs to burn off a third of an oreo cookie, so I'd say getting people to cut back on the amount of crap they eat is much more significant.

And New Yorkers walk way way more than the average American does.
 
2013-07-23 09:22:08 AM  

cman: PC LOAD LETTER: cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.

Demanding stairs be placed in a different spot? You realize that there are umteen regulations on stair placement already, so this just changes that to be somewhat more user-accessible? In fact, it's easier to architect instead of hiding the stairs like they currently do. Do you think stairs are just placed willy-nilly and that this impinges on the freedom of the architects and designers or something? Come on, I have seen conservative whining before, but this is pants-on-head retarded.

You are right. Governments can demand changes on basis for reasons of public safety. My premise was wrong with the way it was worded.

Let me try that again:

Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot for the sole purpose of making someone act a certain way is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


I thought they were just requiring the signs for stairs to be moved, not the stairs themselves.
 
2013-07-23 09:23:38 AM  

cman: You are right. Governments can demand changes on basis for reasons of public safety. My premise was wrong with the way it was worded.

Let me try that again:

Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot for the sole purpose of making someone act a certain way is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.



One of these things is just like the other. . .
 
2013-07-23 09:23:46 AM  

Carth: cman: PC LOAD LETTER: cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.

Demanding stairs be placed in a different spot? You realize that there are umteen regulations on stair placement already, so this just changes that to be somewhat more user-accessible? In fact, it's easier to architect instead of hiding the stairs like they currently do. Do you think stairs are just placed willy-nilly and that this impinges on the freedom of the architects and designers or something? Come on, I have seen conservative whining before, but this is pants-on-head retarded.

You are right. Governments can demand changes on basis for reasons of public safety. My premise was wrong with the way it was worded.

Let me try that again:

Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot for the sole purpose of making someone act a certain way is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.

I thought they were just requiring the signs for stairs to be moved, not the stairs themselves.


Once again I stand corrected.

I hereby lay down my king
 
2013-07-23 09:24:24 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: HotWingConspiracy: Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators

Oh my god freedom is dead forever.

Do you even know what freedom is?


It's relative.
 
2013-07-23 09:24:43 AM  

pueblonative: cman: You are right. Governments can demand changes on basis for reasons of public safety. My premise was wrong with the way it was worded.

Let me try that again:

Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot for the sole purpose of making someone act a certain way is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


One of these things is just like the other. . .


Obesity is a public safety issue? I don't think buildings have collapsed yet because of people being too damn fat
 
2013-07-23 09:26:31 AM  
The lobby of my office has 2 elevators with stairs in the middle.  The entire building in 3 floors.  Everyone takes the damn elevator.
 
2013-07-23 09:26:38 AM  
i20.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-23 09:27:25 AM  

THX 1138: It's particularly infuriating when a building is designed so that the stairs are an exit only, meaning that once a person is in the stairwell, all doors are locked so they can't enter any floor, forcing them to down to the bottom where the only door at that level is an exit to the street.

it's farking stupid, stupid, stupid.


That's *ESPECIALLY* stupid:  What if stairwell A is blocked at the 6th floor because of damage or fire?  Then you can't exit on the 7th floor to bypass it by going to stairwell B.  Or *ANY* floor.  In essence, you'd be trapped in the stairwell.
 
2013-07-23 09:28:36 AM  

Marine1: Meanwhile, in Kansas City:

[godigico.com image 640x365]


tsk tsk tsk, so many horizontal stripes. that's doing you no favors people.

there are admittedly a lot of hefty new yorkers as well, we all have decent legs from the walking, it's the middle sections that need work.

it's the salty foods and beer and booze. NY'ers drink, a lot.
 
2013-07-23 09:28:49 AM  
Bloomberg: We should probably encourage people to take the stairs.

Fark: FASCISM!! NANNY STATE!!! LET ME BE FAT!!!

Also, this (link) is my favorite article on this subject
 
2013-07-23 09:29:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: StoPPeRmobile: HotWingConspiracy: Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators

Oh my god freedom is dead forever.

Do you even know what freedom is?

It's relative.




I don't think it is.
 
2013-07-23 09:30:11 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: HotWingConspiracy: StoPPeRmobile: HotWingConspiracy: Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators

Oh my god freedom is dead forever.

Do you even know what freedom is?

It's relative.

I don't think it is.


And you're free to.
 
2013-07-23 09:31:25 AM  

cman: pueblonative: cman: You are right. Governments can demand changes on basis for reasons of public safety. My premise was wrong with the way it was worded.

Let me try that again:

Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot for the sole purpose of making someone act a certain way is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


One of these things is just like the other. . .

Obesity is a public safety issue? I don't think buildings have collapsed yet because of people being too damn fat


Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing. We got fat through deliberate decisions made by corporate and government leaders (food science, mainly, plus the corn subsidy). Why can't the government try to fix it? You know the food corporations aren't going to; obesity = profits.
 
2013-07-23 09:32:36 AM  
They must be pushed up the stairs

pak chooie unf
 
2013-07-23 09:34:44 AM  

James!: Bloomberg: We should probably encourage people to take the stairs.

Fark: FASCISM!! NANNY STATE!!! LET ME BE FAT!!!

Also, this (link) is my favorite article on this subject


She not only sounds fat; she looks fat.

/Yeah, I'm fat, too.
 
2013-07-23 09:35:48 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.


Another variant of zero tolerance, which works incredibly well.
 
2013-07-23 09:37:52 AM  

cman: PC LOAD LETTER: cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.

Demanding stairs be placed in a different spot? You realize that there are umteen regulations on stair placement already, so this just changes that to be somewhat more user-accessible? In fact, it's easier to architect instead of hiding the stairs like they currently do. Do you think stairs are just placed willy-nilly and that this impinges on the freedom of the architects and designers or something? Come on, I have seen conservative whining before, but this is pants-on-head retarded.

You are right. Governments can demand changes on basis for reasons of public safety. My premise was wrong with the way it was worded.

Let me try that again:

Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot for the sole purpose of making someone act a certain way is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


"Making". You keep using this word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Seriously, how is he making people do anything? Making would be shutting down the elevators and escalators. He's not doing that. People are free to use either. This just makes it easier to use the stairs, which is great for me. I am sure there are plenty like me. I am sure there are some folks who would love to exercise more but can't because they can't use their stairs at work. If they want to use the elevator and escalator, they can and will.

No forcing, just easier access and placement. Geez, you still have the right and FREEDOM to be fat and wheeze your way into an early grave. No one is taking that away from you.

The soda thing was retarded, though. That much we can agree on.
 
2013-07-23 09:37:54 AM  

mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.


Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.
 
2013-07-23 09:38:03 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.

Another variant of zero tolerance, which works incredibly well.


The only people I'd eliminate would be the ones who want to thin the herd. It's your plan, jagoff; you first.
 
2013-07-23 09:38:42 AM  
I'm surprised it's a voluntary choice and not a law prohibiting the use of the elevator unless you're disabled.
 
2013-07-23 09:40:00 AM  
Here in DC, we know a thing or two about stairs.

www.citywalkingguide.com

// it's a trick
// get an axe
 
2013-07-23 09:40:24 AM  

SuburbanCowboy: The diet part is way more important than the exercise part (though everyone should be exercising too). It takes about 24 flights of stairs to burn off a third of an oreo cookie, so I'd say getting people to cut back on the amount of crap they eat is much more significant.

And New Yorkers walk way way more than the average American does.


The average person eats 4.9 times a day.  This compares to 3.8 times 30 years ago.  We've become conditioned to believe that it's normal to be snacking all of the time and stores are more than happy to accommodate that.  You can buy food at pretty much any business you go into.

Then there is the matter of ever-increasing portion size.  We just eat too damn much.
 
2013-07-23 09:40:37 AM  
FTA Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators

This is an outrage?
 
2013-07-23 09:40:59 AM  

This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.


Neither are cerebral palsy, multiple sclerosis, ALS, cancer, fibromyalgia or asthma. The government can't try to do anything about those? Even though simple regulation (like banning lead paint) can produce significant improvements in public health?
 
2013-07-23 09:41:33 AM  

This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.


Correct, but I will point out that other people's bad choices make my insurance premiums go up.
 
2013-07-23 09:43:02 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Here in DC, we know a thing or two about stairs.

// it's a trick
// get an axe


Fastest way to the liquor store right there.

Damn. I could go for a chicken madness.
 
2013-07-23 09:43:11 AM  

dittybopper: THX 1138: It's particularly infuriating when a building is designed so that the stairs are an exit only, meaning that once a person is in the stairwell, all doors are locked so they can't enter any floor, forcing them to down to the bottom where the only door at that level is an exit to the street.

it's farking stupid, stupid, stupid.

That's *ESPECIALLY* stupid:  What if stairwell A is blocked at the 6th floor because of damage or fire?  Then you can't exit on the 7th floor to bypass it by going to stairwell B.  Or *ANY* floor.  In essence, you'd be trapped in the stairwell.


My apologies.  I didn't clarify that (in my experience at least), buildings with stairwells that only open to ground level will automatically release door locks on all floors during an alarm, for exactly that reason.  Still farking annoying.
 
2013-07-23 09:44:58 AM  
Old lady getting pushed up stairs:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQnZsJIJfIw
 
2013-07-23 09:45:46 AM  

James!: Also, this (link) is my favorite article on this subject


Holy f*ck.

That web site is...wow.
 
2013-07-23 09:46:36 AM  
Lawyers will love this. People falling down stairs, heart attacks, asthma attacks, dehydration, dizziness, hunger, famine and rapes,
 
2013-07-23 09:46:57 AM  

THX 1138: dittybopper: THX 1138: It's particularly infuriating when a building is designed so that the stairs are an exit only, meaning that once a person is in the stairwell, all doors are locked so they can't enter any floor, forcing them to down to the bottom where the only door at that level is an exit to the street.

it's farking stupid, stupid, stupid.

That's *ESPECIALLY* stupid:  What if stairwell A is blocked at the 6th floor because of damage or fire?  Then you can't exit on the 7th floor to bypass it by going to stairwell B.  Or *ANY* floor.  In essence, you'd be trapped in the stairwell.

My apologies.  I didn't clarify that (in my experience at least), buildings with stairwells that only open to ground level will automatically release door locks on all floors during an alarm, for exactly that reason.  Still farking annoying.


Oh, you mean like the consulate building in Benghazi?
 
2013-07-23 09:48:04 AM  

cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


See, that's not actually it: he's not micromanaging people's lives just for the sake of it. He micromanages for the same reason businesses micromanage: to cut costs -real, imagined, and unknown- at any cost, "for the good of the business" (swap in "society" for "the business" in this case).

But micromanagement is a horrible practice. It does great harm, at an individual level and even at a corporate level, when applied to business. When applied to society, it gets even worse.
 
2013-07-23 09:48:32 AM  

mbillips: Neither are cerebral palsy, multiple sclerosis, ALS, cancer, fibromyalgia or asthma. The government can't try to do anything about those?


Not coercively. And where they have waded in on cancer, it's been in its environmental sources (communicability).

But portion-size limits fall neither into fraud or merchantable regulations (FDA), nor can food be considered a communicable or environmental hazard (public-health).

Obesity is a private health issue.
 
2013-07-23 09:48:32 AM  

Rapmaster2000: SuburbanCowboy: The diet part is way more important than the exercise part (though everyone should be exercising too). It takes about 24 flights of stairs to burn off a third of an oreo cookie, so I'd say getting people to cut back on the amount of crap they eat is much more significant.

And New Yorkers walk way way more than the average American does.

The average person eats 4.9 times a day.  This compares to 3.8 times 30 years ago.  We've become conditioned to believe that it's normal to be snacking all of the time and stores are more than happy to accommodate that.  You can buy food at pretty much any business you go into.

Then there is the matter of ever-increasing portion size.  We just eat too damn much.


THIS. I don't recall snacking regularly as a kid. I coached a youth football team a few years ago, and those kids couldn't make it through practice without eating something or drinking some kind of sugary "sports drink."

It shouldn't be that hard to eat sensibly, but if you eat out a lot, you have to condition yourself to eat half of what's on your plate and take the rest home. And particularly in chain restaurants, they have whole research departments that balance the salt-sugar-fat ratio to make you crave the stuff and overeat.

I'm as bad as anyone else, although it's my fault. I'm a drunkard, and I like to eat salty things when I drink. Between the booze calories and the late-night popcorn, I'm pretty damn pudgy.
 
2013-07-23 09:50:09 AM  

Aarontology: Ah yes. Stairs. The most insidious aspect of the Nanny State.

Not his papers please stop and frisk policies. Not his statements that black people should be stopped and frisked more. Not his continual support for the war on drugs.

But stairs.


To fat boot strappy types the specter for the state forcing some more movement is truly the worst thing.

"require city buildings to be designed to encourage the use of stairs over elevators" = worse than Hitler
 
2013-07-23 09:50:29 AM  

This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.


How would you know?
Science does not KNOW, how could you?
Human obesity is not a simple food in, crap out, exercise in the middle dealeo.

We simply do not know, but we are sleeping at Holiday Inn and poking sticks into the dark.
 
2013-07-23 09:50:39 AM  

mbillips: Rapmaster2000: SuburbanCowboy: The diet part is way more important than the exercise part (though everyone should be exercising too). It takes about 24 flights of stairs to burn off a third of an oreo cookie, so I'd say getting people to cut back on the amount of crap they eat is much more significant.

And New Yorkers walk way way more than the average American does.

The average person eats 4.9 times a day.  This compares to 3.8 times 30 years ago.  We've become conditioned to believe that it's normal to be snacking all of the time and stores are more than happy to accommodate that.  You can buy food at pretty much any business you go into.

Then there is the matter of ever-increasing portion size.  We just eat too damn much.

THIS. I don't recall snacking regularly as a kid. I coached a youth football team a few years ago, and those kids couldn't make it through practice without eating something or drinking some kind of sugary "sports drink."

It shouldn't be that hard to eat sensibly, but if you eat out a lot, you have to condition yourself to eat half of what's on your plate and take the rest home. And particularly in chain restaurants, they have whole research departments that balance the salt-sugar-fat ratio to make you crave the stuff and overeat.

I'm as bad as anyone else, although it's my fault. I'm a drunkard, and I like to eat salty things when I drink. Between the booze calories and the late-night popcorn, I'm pretty damn pudgy.




It's easy. Don't eat the bread and white rice. Then eat some veggies.
 
2013-07-23 09:51:30 AM  
You know what would be nice?  Better urban planning, so that exercise is part of going about your normal day, not something you have to go out of your way to do.

Our office has taken to putting up passive aggressive notices in the stairwells saying thinks like "burn calories not oil!"  Doesn't change the fact that the stairs are dreary, ill-lit, smelly and way off in the corner of the building.
 
2013-07-23 09:52:26 AM  

This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html?_r=0

Study finds obesity can be contagious...
 
2013-07-23 09:53:00 AM  

sigdiamond2000: James!: Also, this (link) is my favorite article on this subject

Holy f*ck.

That web site is...wow.


Fat activists, man.  They're a hoot.
 
2013-07-23 09:54:29 AM  

THX 1138: dittybopper: THX 1138: It's particularly infuriating when a building is designed so that the stairs are an exit only, meaning that once a person is in the stairwell, all doors are locked so they can't enter any floor, forcing them to down to the bottom where the only door at that level is an exit to the street.

it's farking stupid, stupid, stupid.

That's *ESPECIALLY* stupid:  What if stairwell A is blocked at the 6th floor because of damage or fire?  Then you can't exit on the 7th floor to bypass it by going to stairwell B.  Or *ANY* floor.  In essence, you'd be trapped in the stairwell.

My apologies.  I didn't clarify that (in my experience at least), buildings with stairwells that only open to ground level will automatically release door locks on all floors during an alarm, for exactly that reason.  Still farking annoying.


Ah, OK, that makes a bit more sense.  Unless, of course, the system farks up.

I *HATE* relying on technology for shiat like that.  And I'm a programmer/analyst.  Or maybe it's *BECAUSE* I work with high-tech stuff that I don't like it.
 
2013-07-23 09:55:22 AM  
vpb [TotalFark]
(favorite: Blamed "right wing conspiracy " for Family Research Council shooting after shooter was identified as far left gay activist.)


PC LOAD LETTER: What you might think he's doing: shutting down escalators and elevators and mandating new buildings don't have them.
What he's really doing: not that

It's "reason" everything has to be an evil liberal conspiracy.
Says the poster that blamed a "right wing conspiracy " for Family Research Council shooting after shooter was identified as far left gay activist.
 
2013-07-23 09:55:24 AM  
Easier to push someone in NYC up stairs than a Texan. There is a reason Texans need big trucks to get around!
 
2013-07-23 09:56:10 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: mbillips: Rapmaster2000: SuburbanCowboy: The diet part is way more important than the exercise part (though everyone should be exercising too). It takes about 24 flights of stairs to burn off a third of an oreo cookie, so I'd say getting people to cut back on the amount of crap they eat is much more significant.

And New Yorkers walk way way more than the average American does.

The average person eats 4.9 times a day.  This compares to 3.8 times 30 years ago.  We've become conditioned to believe that it's normal to be snacking all of the time and stores are more than happy to accommodate that.  You can buy food at pretty much any business you go into.

Then there is the matter of ever-increasing portion size.  We just eat too damn much.

THIS. I don't recall snacking regularly as a kid. I coached a youth football team a few years ago, and those kids couldn't make it through practice without eating something or drinking some kind of sugary "sports drink."

It shouldn't be that hard to eat sensibly, but if you eat out a lot, you have to condition yourself to eat half of what's on your plate and take the rest home. And particularly in chain restaurants, they have whole research departments that balance the salt-sugar-fat ratio to make you crave the stuff and overeat.

I'm as bad as anyone else, although it's my fault. I'm a drunkard, and I like to eat salty things when I drink. Between the booze calories and the late-night popcorn, I'm pretty damn pudgy.

It's easy. Don't eat the bread and white rice. Then eat some veggies.


I try to avoid simple carbs, except for an occasional sandwich, and I buy good bread with no sugar in it. F'rinstance, dinner last night was a braised smoked pork chop with carrots and onions, with roasted Brussels sprouts on the side. I'm fine until about 8 p.m., and fine if I don't drink, but therein lies the rub.
 
2013-07-23 09:57:47 AM  

dittybopper: THX 1138: dittybopper: THX 1138: It's particularly infuriating when a building is designed so that the stairs are an exit only, meaning that once a person is in the stairwell, all doors are locked so they can't enter any floor, forcing them to down to the bottom where the only door at that level is an exit to the street.

it's farking stupid, stupid, stupid.

That's *ESPECIALLY* stupid:  What if stairwell A is blocked at the 6th floor because of damage or fire?  Then you can't exit on the 7th floor to bypass it by going to stairwell B.  Or *ANY* floor.  In essence, you'd be trapped in the stairwell.

My apologies.  I didn't clarify that (in my experience at least), buildings with stairwells that only open to ground level will automatically release door locks on all floors during an alarm, for exactly that reason.  Still farking annoying.

Ah, OK, that makes a bit more sense.  Unless, of course, the system farks up.

I *HATE* relying on technology for shiat like that.  And I'm a programmer/analyst.  Or maybe it's *BECAUSE* I work with high-tech stuff that I don't like it.


As an analyst, you should know, the system will fark up.
 
2013-07-23 09:59:15 AM  

Millennium: cman: 

But micromanagement is a horrible practice. It does great harm, at an individual level and even at a corporate level, when applied to business. When applied to society, it gets even worse.


that's such bull shiat. Bloomberg recently expanded the cities recycling program, more plastics were added to the list of recyclables. meaning my stupid little yogurt cups, salad containers, and other thinner plastics now go in the blue bin. Did my block collectively freak out and descend into a chaotic frenzy? No. Not at all. Same with his new initiated compost program. This works all over Europe as well ...they have been recycling for decades longer than NY and you know what? They don't have issues with rats and other public health problems.

A Mayor's essential duties are to 'micro-manage' a city or township, they take care of things that individual citizens cannot do alone, and they usually get shiat done faster than the feds. This isn't a debate about regulation, it's common farking sense.
 
2013-07-23 10:01:21 AM  

dittybopper: THX 1138: dittybopper: THX 1138: It's particularly infuriating when a building is designed so that the stairs are an exit only, meaning that once a person is in the stairwell, all doors are locked so they can't enter any floor, forcing them to down to the bottom where the only door at that level is an exit to the street.

it's farking stupid, stupid, stupid.

That's *ESPECIALLY* stupid:  What if stairwell A is blocked at the 6th floor because of damage or fire?  Then you can't exit on the 7th floor to bypass it by going to stairwell B.  Or *ANY* floor.  In essence, you'd be trapped in the stairwell.

My apologies.  I didn't clarify that (in my experience at least), buildings with stairwells that only open to ground level will automatically release door locks on all floors during an alarm, for exactly that reason.  Still farking annoying.

Ah, OK, that makes a bit more sense.  Unless, of course, the system farks up.

I *HATE* relying on technology for shiat like that.  And I'm a programmer/analyst.  Or maybe it's *BECAUSE* I work with high-tech stuff that I don't like it.


It could be that the design is like the magnetic holds that keep the fire doors open in the corridors of my building. When there's power, the magnets hold; when the power is off (for any reason), the magnets release to let the doors close. Maybe in his building, power off = stairwell doors unlock.
 
2013-07-23 10:03:02 AM  
Bloomberg has been doing this in his corporate headquarters in NYC for years:

-The elevators only stop at every 3rd floor.  If your floor is not one of them, you need to walk 1 or 2 flights up or down after getting off at the closest floor.
-On the other floors, the elevators are hidden behind hinged wall segments.  It's quite odd the first time the elevator doors open and you're staring at a wall.
-Anyone with medical reasons (disability/injury/pregnancy/etc.) has their ID card programmed to override the elevator so they can go to any floor.  Whenever someone swipes their card like this, everybody in the elevator immediately pushes their direct floor so they don't have to take the stairs.
 
2013-07-23 10:03:04 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html?_r=0

Study finds obesity can be contagious...


I don't see a viably proposed physical mechanism for transmittal. Correlation is fun, but it's not causation. And it only works for friends; co-workers and family don't cause it.

Try again.
 
2013-07-23 10:03:33 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html?_r=0

Study finds obesity can be contagious...


Yes, but not like a virus or bacterium. Unless and until they find an obesity "pathogen", we'll continue to focus on the relationship between inputs and outputs, and on individual systemic causes (diabetes, genetics, etc).

In that same sense, Harry Potter fandom is contagious.
 
2013-07-23 10:05:28 AM  

dittybopper: Ah, OK, that makes a bit more sense.  Unless, of course, the system farks up.

I *HATE* relying on technology for shiat like that.  And I'm a programmer/analyst.  Or maybe it's *BECAUSE* I work with high-tech stuff that I don't like it.


Yeah, I'm a moran and after I posted I realized that I also left out the fact that the locks are actively maintained in a locked state by power and and will release when power is cut to them by an alarm or outage.  I can see how that might fark up but it's a generally reasonable fail-safe.

Anyway, I must get back to my outrage at being informed that I have the option of taking the stairs!
 
2013-07-23 10:06:18 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: You know what would be nice?  Better urban planning, so that exercise is part of going about your normal day, not something you have to go out of your way to do.

Our office has taken to putting up passive aggressive notices in the stairwells saying thinks like "burn calories not oil!"  Doesn't change the fact that the stairs are dreary, ill-lit, smelly and way off in the corner of the building.




And no AC or Heat.

I guess that next on the plate for Mickey.
 
2013-07-23 10:06:18 AM  

This text is now purple: Mrs.Sharpier: This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html?_r=0

Study finds obesity can be contagious...

I don't see a viably proposed physical mechanism for transmittal. Correlation is fun, but it's not causation. And it only works for friends; co-workers and family don't cause it.

Try again.


I think it's more of a social disease, like libertarianism.
 
2013-07-23 10:06:23 AM  

MadRocketScientist: -Anyone with medical reasons (disability/injury/pregnancy/etc.) has their ID card programmed to override the elevator so they can go to any floor.


I'm not sure that's considered a reasonable accommodation for visitors under the ADA.
 
2013-07-23 10:08:13 AM  
I was at a work-related conference when this stat was given in a presentation: The average american can reduce their risk of stroke by 30% by climbing 2 minutes of stairs per day. It was kinda gross to hear. I tried to find the study to cite it, but it was a conference from April (presentation by the Convergence Partnership). Especially in suburban areas, this must be the routine: out of bed, in a car, sit at a desk, get in a car, sit on a couch, get in bed. Eat several times per day. Repeat.

As for TFA, I think letting people know where the stairs are and making them more visible is a good thing. It could be promoted from a safety standpoint as well - firefighters should be able to enter a lobby and know right away where the stairs are - and people should be able to know where they will end up if they have to use them.
 
2013-07-23 10:08:35 AM  

James!: sigdiamond2000: James!: Also, this (link) is my favorite article on this subject

Holy f*ck.

That web site is...wow.

Fat activists, man.  They're a hoot.



Seriously, dude, I think I'm checking out for the rest of the day. I could spend an eternity on that web site. It's like TV Tropes or archive.org. One turn just leads you into another goldmine, and another, and another...it's like one of those Russian nesting dolls or something.
 
2013-07-23 10:09:26 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-23 10:12:10 AM  
I love the nanny state.  Just wait until they decide its unhealthy for you to spend hours on the internet all day, and that reading Fark comment threats and participating in online discussions just raises your blood pressure and ban all that too.

/ I wish that was out of the realm of possibility, but these big government "wer're here to help you" types are never known for restraint.  Just look at all the pits filled with bodies of "the opposition" in all the big Socialist states of the 1900s.
 
2013-07-23 10:12:12 AM  

OnlyM3: vpb [TotalFark]
(favorite: Blamed "right wing conspiracy " for Family Research Council shooting after shooter was identified as far left gay activist.)


PC LOAD LETTER: What you might think he's doing: shutting down escalators and elevators and mandating new buildings don't have them.
What he's really doing: not that

It's "reason" everything has to be an evil liberal conspiracy. Says the poster that blamed a "right wing conspiracy " for Family Research Council shooting after shooter was identified as far left gay activist.


Still stalking vpb? Have you considered seeing a doctor about that immense level of butthurt?
 
2013-07-23 10:15:14 AM  

elvindeath: I love the nanny state.  Just wait until they decide its unhealthy for you to spend hours on the internet all day, and that reading Fark comment threats and participating in online discussions just raises your blood pressure and ban all that too.

/ I wish that was out of the realm of possibility, but these big government "wer're here to help you" types are never known for restraint.  Just look at all the pits filled with bodies of "the opposition" in all the big Socialist states of the 1900s.


I recall reading about how in Russia, the gulags and mass killings only became possible after they posted signs showing where stairways were in buildings.
 
2013-07-23 10:16:12 AM  

elvindeath: I love the nanny state.  Just wait until they decide its unhealthy for you to spend hours on the internet all day, and that reading Fark comment threats and participating in online discussions just raises your blood pressure and ban all that too.

/ I wish that was out of the realm of possibility, but these big government "wer're here to help you" types are never known for restraint.  Just look at all the pits filled with bodies of "the opposition" in all the big Socialist states of the 1900s.


You sound fant. Have you considered using some stairs?
 
2013-07-23 10:17:49 AM  
snocone: THX 1138: My apologies.  I didn't clarify that (in my experience at least), buildings with stairwells that only open to ground level will automatically release door locks on all floors during an alarm, for exactly that reason.  Still farking annoying.

Oh, you mean like the consulate building in Benghazi?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-23 10:19:34 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.


I am guessing some solutions will be market based.  Eventually, insurance companies will have to wade in to bring down the costs.

When repugs complain about paying for my birth control (for my sins of lust), I say they have a valid point.  So, no birth control for me and no erectile dysfunction drugs for you (which have pretty much always been covered, BTW).

But why stop there?  Why should I pay for your sins of gluttony and sloth?  Your lifestyle choices bring greater risks, so your premiums should be higher. Whereas I work very hard to stay fit and healthy, so how about a discount for those of us who try?  Of course the teabaggers, who scream about personal responsibility, are just full of denial and/or excuses when it comes to their taking responsibilty for their choices.

Unfortunately, having obestiy recently declared a disease (oh please) throws a major wrench in my brilliant plan.
 
2013-07-23 10:20:41 AM  

Merltech: Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?


First thing I thought about too.  Though who among us has never thought about telling the fat fark in the scooter-chair that perhaps he wouldn't be so dogdamn fat if he got off his ass and occasionally walked a few steps?
 
2013-07-23 10:22:08 AM  
City dweller problems.
 
2013-07-23 10:23:23 AM  
Only eat when you're hungry.

Problem(s) solved.

1+1 = 2.
 
2013-07-23 10:23:43 AM  

elvindeath: I love the nanny state.  Just wait until they decide its unhealthy for you to spend hours on the internet all day, and that reading Fark comment threats and participating in online discussions just raises your blood pressure and ban all that too.


What exactly is being banned by telling people where to find the stairs?  I sincerely look forward to your answer.
 
2013-07-23 10:29:38 AM  
Stairs, hunh? We just call 'em streets. They're good for you. Build character.

Maybe get you to stop whining about small drinks.

punkblowfish.com
 
2013-07-23 10:33:58 AM  

buckler: i20.photobucket.com


DO NOT TRUST THE SHOVING ROBOT!!!  PUSHING WILL SAVE YOU FROM THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE!

i.imgur.com

/Pak Chooie Unf!
 
2013-07-23 10:34:51 AM  
Disaster Transport:
As for TFA, I think letting people know where the stairs are and making them more visible is a good thing. It could be promoted from a safety standpoint as well - firefighters should be able to enter a lobby and know right away where the stairs are - and people should be able to know where they will end up if they have to use them.

That's a big problem; even if you wanted to use the stairs, like going down one floor and not wanting to play Elevator Roulette, you can't farkin' find them, or you can't get out of them when you get there.
 
2013-07-23 10:37:01 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises?


Stay with me here.

Lions. Tigers. Bears.
Surgically remove their rear legs.
Replace them with trollies, that adjustable for resistance (speed)
Set them up, so that reasonably fit adults, including the elderly can out run them
Make the elderly and obese, physically pick their disability/social security checks up.
Starve the animals, and set them free.

Solve the obesity and medicare/social security problem.  Adjust for the old folks when
the fund is solvent again.
 
2013-07-23 10:40:15 AM  

KyngNothing: Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...


Most modern office buildings are owned by a single entity and have suites leased out to multiple companies with individual restrictions to access necessary for insurance and their own corporate security policies.

Designing the stairwells to be used only in an emergency allows the building owner to have one keyfob reader per elevator vs one reader per floor per stairwell.

Even on a 3 floor building with 2 elevators and 4 stairwells you're looking at 2 readers vs. 12. Makes sense when I think of it in those terms.
 
2013-07-23 10:42:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Dr Dreidel: Here in DC, we know a thing or two about stairs.

// it's a trick
// get an axe

Fastest way to the liquor store right there.

Damn. I could go for a chicken madness.


Watch for falling priests.
 
2013-07-23 10:50:00 AM  
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-23 10:56:18 AM  

chaosangel: Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.

I am guessing some solutions will be market based.  Eventually, insurance companies will have to wade in to bring down the costs.

When repugs complain about paying for my birth control (for my sins of lust), I say they have a valid point.  So, no birth control for me and no erectile dysfunction drugs for you (which have pretty much always been covered, BTW).

But why stop there?  Why should I pay for your sins of gluttony and sloth?  Your lifestyle choices bring greater risks, so your premiums should be higher. Whereas I work very hard to stay fit and healthy, so how about a discount for those of us who try?  Of course the teabaggers, who scream about personal responsibility, are just full of denial and/or excuses when it comes to their taking responsibilty for their choices.

Unfortunately, having obestiy recently declared a disease (oh please) throws a major wrench in my brilliant plan.


My fiancée has a shiatty, company managed health plan.  It doesn't pay for shiat, really (as an aside, her company is run by conservative republicans, go figure).  Their premiums go up every year because the owners "are putting way too much money into it".  My fiancée nets them 10 million dollars a year (total sales of 22 million - no shiat).  The owners are literal billionaires, and don't want to buy a decent health plan to take care of the people who, well, make them billionaires.

Anyway, I digress.

My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup.  In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.  You fail if you're a fatty.
 
2013-07-23 10:58:30 AM  
"Night - night, time to climb the wooden hill . . ."

really?  Nothing else to complain about?
*sheesh*
 
2013-07-23 11:00:59 AM  

tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.


If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.
 
2013-07-23 11:05:32 AM  

GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.


I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.
 
2013-07-23 11:11:46 AM  

tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.


This sounds extremely shady.
 
2013-07-23 11:15:27 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.

This sounds extremely shady.




I wonder what website has the pictures and videos.
 
2013-07-23 11:22:07 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.

This sounds extremely shady.


If it's an opt-in program, it's 100% legal. Shady, but legal. You can (very easily) waive your rights under HIPAA, which deals more with how your doc collects and handles your records than the records themselves. HIPAA's about protecting the RECORD (those first two letters are "Health Information").
 
2013-07-23 11:46:17 AM  

dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.


The doors to the stairwells in my building are locked such that you can go down the stairs, but not up. Once you're in the stairwell, you can only get out at the ground floor. Can't get back in at the ground floor. A couple of the programmers will enter the stairwell on our floor, then take the stairs down and back up a few times, then exit on the ground floor and take the elevator back to our office.

/I always take the stairs down, try to walk everywhere
//Do the stairwell thing when the weather is shiat-tay.
 
2013-07-23 12:04:13 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.

This sounds extremely shady.


Yeah, my first reaction was WTF?  But, as I've read the hipaa disclosures at my docs office, it only says that they can't share your info without your consent, and if you sign the consent, they can share the info.


Still, it's farking unnerving that this is what we've become.
.
Nobody said conservative republicans were on the up and up.  I am pretty sure that if they could legally get away with having their employees on medicaid, they'd gladly do it.
 
2013-07-23 12:14:25 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Here in DC, we know a thing or two about stairs.

[www.citywalkingguide.com image 396x600]

// it's a trick
// get an axe


Oddly enough, I put on 30 pounds in the 18 or so months I worked in DC, despite having to walk a bunch more than at my previous job (in Columbia). The commute into the city kicked my ass, which led to not exercising and eating dubiously, and onward and downward.

Got a gig closer to home, used the hours I got back to hit the treadmill, cook more, and brown-bag lunches. Dropped 50 pounds in about 12 months of concerted effort.

/Sedentary job
//Never lived in the city, suspect the "terrible commute = no energy = poor decisions" thing wouldn't have been a problem if I had.
///Back to the same weight I was in high school.
 
2013-07-23 01:11:11 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-23 01:23:14 PM  
Any anti-douche bag legislation in the works?
 
2013-07-23 02:23:56 PM  

epoch_destroi: He is the space robots and he is here to protect us.


He's here to protect us from the terrible secret of space.

/pak chooie unf
 
2013-07-23 02:39:12 PM  
elevator in his townhouse on the upper East Side, he said. "I have five floors,"
 
2013-07-23 02:46:00 PM  

Son of Thunder: Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space

Winner.


Still no substitute for shoving New Yorkers up stairs.
 
2013-07-23 03:24:19 PM  
Bloomberg is a baby tyrant and New Yorkers are cowards and children.
 
2013-07-23 04:52:46 PM  
No Underworld references?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-23 05:04:45 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Bloomberg is a baby tyrant and New Yorkers are cowards and children.


Yeah, because your people are so brave and strong, right?
 
2013-07-23 05:57:34 PM  
bradhodson.files.wordpress.com

"Don't tread on me, whargarblgarbl!!"
 
2013-07-23 06:05:02 PM  
One would think an in-shape proletariat is the last thing they would want.
 
2013-07-23 06:30:20 PM  
It is amazing how people go completely batshiat insane at just there mere mention of Bloomberg's name.

"Oh my god! He suggested people use the stairs and get a little exercise! What tyranny! He's history's greatest monster!"
 
2013-07-23 06:52:02 PM  

Hobodeluxe: cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.

I agree but I can see where he is coming from. the nation's biggest health problem (and I would argue any problem) is obesity. it costs us more than everything else combined. people are not being responsible for their own health.
his problem is trying to mandate it by decree.


But if holding food producers and marketers responsible is not part of the solution, then there is no solution.
 
2013-07-23 07:14:48 PM  

Thrag: It is amazing how people go completely batshiat insane at just there mere mention of Bloomberg's name.

"Oh my god! He suggested people use the stairs and get a little exercise! What tyranny! He's history's greatest monster!"


No one will take my LIBERTY and FREEDOM to DIE YOUNG OF A CORONARY DISEASE BECAUSE I EAT FRIED LARD CHIPS FOR BREAKFAST!
 
2013-07-24 12:57:41 AM  
Do not listen to the Michael Bloomberg.  He is malfunctioning.
 
2013-07-24 05:37:47 PM  
What Bloomberg says when he goes into a bar, to the first man he sees "May I push in your stool?"
 
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