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2013-07-23 10:03:33 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html?_r=0

Study finds obesity can be contagious...


Yes, but not like a virus or bacterium. Unless and until they find an obesity "pathogen", we'll continue to focus on the relationship between inputs and outputs, and on individual systemic causes (diabetes, genetics, etc).

In that same sense, Harry Potter fandom is contagious.
 
2013-07-23 10:05:28 AM  

dittybopper: Ah, OK, that makes a bit more sense.  Unless, of course, the system farks up.

I *HATE* relying on technology for shiat like that.  And I'm a programmer/analyst.  Or maybe it's *BECAUSE* I work with high-tech stuff that I don't like it.


Yeah, I'm a moran and after I posted I realized that I also left out the fact that the locks are actively maintained in a locked state by power and and will release when power is cut to them by an alarm or outage.  I can see how that might fark up but it's a generally reasonable fail-safe.

Anyway, I must get back to my outrage at being informed that I have the option of taking the stairs!
 
2013-07-23 10:06:18 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: You know what would be nice?  Better urban planning, so that exercise is part of going about your normal day, not something you have to go out of your way to do.

Our office has taken to putting up passive aggressive notices in the stairwells saying thinks like "burn calories not oil!"  Doesn't change the fact that the stairs are dreary, ill-lit, smelly and way off in the corner of the building.




And no AC or Heat.

I guess that next on the plate for Mickey.
 
2013-07-23 10:06:18 AM  

This text is now purple: Mrs.Sharpier: This text is now purple: mbillips: Obesity is a public health issue. You have a problem with the government paying for vaccine research and ensuring that kids get their shots? Same thing.

Obesity isn't contagious. Try again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/health/25cnd-fat.html?_r=0

Study finds obesity can be contagious...

I don't see a viably proposed physical mechanism for transmittal. Correlation is fun, but it's not causation. And it only works for friends; co-workers and family don't cause it.

Try again.


I think it's more of a social disease, like libertarianism.
 
2013-07-23 10:06:23 AM  

MadRocketScientist: -Anyone with medical reasons (disability/injury/pregnancy/etc.) has their ID card programmed to override the elevator so they can go to any floor.


I'm not sure that's considered a reasonable accommodation for visitors under the ADA.
 
2013-07-23 10:08:13 AM  
I was at a work-related conference when this stat was given in a presentation: The average american can reduce their risk of stroke by 30% by climbing 2 minutes of stairs per day. It was kinda gross to hear. I tried to find the study to cite it, but it was a conference from April (presentation by the Convergence Partnership). Especially in suburban areas, this must be the routine: out of bed, in a car, sit at a desk, get in a car, sit on a couch, get in bed. Eat several times per day. Repeat.

As for TFA, I think letting people know where the stairs are and making them more visible is a good thing. It could be promoted from a safety standpoint as well - firefighters should be able to enter a lobby and know right away where the stairs are - and people should be able to know where they will end up if they have to use them.
 
2013-07-23 10:08:35 AM  

James!: sigdiamond2000: James!: Also, this (link) is my favorite article on this subject

Holy f*ck.

That web site is...wow.

Fat activists, man.  They're a hoot.



Seriously, dude, I think I'm checking out for the rest of the day. I could spend an eternity on that web site. It's like TV Tropes or archive.org. One turn just leads you into another goldmine, and another, and another...it's like one of those Russian nesting dolls or something.
 
2013-07-23 10:09:26 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-23 10:12:10 AM  
I love the nanny state.  Just wait until they decide its unhealthy for you to spend hours on the internet all day, and that reading Fark comment threats and participating in online discussions just raises your blood pressure and ban all that too.

/ I wish that was out of the realm of possibility, but these big government "wer're here to help you" types are never known for restraint.  Just look at all the pits filled with bodies of "the opposition" in all the big Socialist states of the 1900s.
 
2013-07-23 10:12:12 AM  

OnlyM3: vpb [TotalFark]
(favorite: Blamed "right wing conspiracy " for Family Research Council shooting after shooter was identified as far left gay activist.)


PC LOAD LETTER: What you might think he's doing: shutting down escalators and elevators and mandating new buildings don't have them.
What he's really doing: not that

It's "reason" everything has to be an evil liberal conspiracy. Says the poster that blamed a "right wing conspiracy " for Family Research Council shooting after shooter was identified as far left gay activist.


Still stalking vpb? Have you considered seeing a doctor about that immense level of butthurt?
 
2013-07-23 10:15:14 AM  

elvindeath: I love the nanny state.  Just wait until they decide its unhealthy for you to spend hours on the internet all day, and that reading Fark comment threats and participating in online discussions just raises your blood pressure and ban all that too.

/ I wish that was out of the realm of possibility, but these big government "wer're here to help you" types are never known for restraint.  Just look at all the pits filled with bodies of "the opposition" in all the big Socialist states of the 1900s.


I recall reading about how in Russia, the gulags and mass killings only became possible after they posted signs showing where stairways were in buildings.
 
2013-07-23 10:16:12 AM  

elvindeath: I love the nanny state.  Just wait until they decide its unhealthy for you to spend hours on the internet all day, and that reading Fark comment threats and participating in online discussions just raises your blood pressure and ban all that too.

/ I wish that was out of the realm of possibility, but these big government "wer're here to help you" types are never known for restraint.  Just look at all the pits filled with bodies of "the opposition" in all the big Socialist states of the 1900s.


You sound fant. Have you considered using some stairs?
 
2013-07-23 10:17:49 AM  
snocone: THX 1138: My apologies.  I didn't clarify that (in my experience at least), buildings with stairwells that only open to ground level will automatically release door locks on all floors during an alarm, for exactly that reason.  Still farking annoying.

Oh, you mean like the consulate building in Benghazi?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-23 10:19:34 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.


I am guessing some solutions will be market based.  Eventually, insurance companies will have to wade in to bring down the costs.

When repugs complain about paying for my birth control (for my sins of lust), I say they have a valid point.  So, no birth control for me and no erectile dysfunction drugs for you (which have pretty much always been covered, BTW).

But why stop there?  Why should I pay for your sins of gluttony and sloth?  Your lifestyle choices bring greater risks, so your premiums should be higher. Whereas I work very hard to stay fit and healthy, so how about a discount for those of us who try?  Of course the teabaggers, who scream about personal responsibility, are just full of denial and/or excuses when it comes to their taking responsibilty for their choices.

Unfortunately, having obestiy recently declared a disease (oh please) throws a major wrench in my brilliant plan.
 
2013-07-23 10:20:41 AM  

Merltech: Wouldn't this go against Americans with Disabilities Act?


First thing I thought about too.  Though who among us has never thought about telling the fat fark in the scooter-chair that perhaps he wouldn't be so dogdamn fat if he got off his ass and occasionally walked a few steps?
 
2013-07-23 10:22:08 AM  
City dweller problems.
 
2013-07-23 10:23:23 AM  
Only eat when you're hungry.

Problem(s) solved.

1+1 = 2.
 
2013-07-23 10:23:43 AM  

elvindeath: I love the nanny state.  Just wait until they decide its unhealthy for you to spend hours on the internet all day, and that reading Fark comment threats and participating in online discussions just raises your blood pressure and ban all that too.


What exactly is being banned by telling people where to find the stairs?  I sincerely look forward to your answer.
 
2013-07-23 10:29:38 AM  
Stairs, hunh? We just call 'em streets. They're good for you. Build character.

Maybe get you to stop whining about small drinks.

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2013-07-23 10:33:58 AM  

buckler: i20.photobucket.com


DO NOT TRUST THE SHOVING ROBOT!!!  PUSHING WILL SAVE YOU FROM THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE!

i.imgur.com

/Pak Chooie Unf!
 
2013-07-23 10:34:51 AM  
Disaster Transport:
As for TFA, I think letting people know where the stairs are and making them more visible is a good thing. It could be promoted from a safety standpoint as well - firefighters should be able to enter a lobby and know right away where the stairs are - and people should be able to know where they will end up if they have to use them.

That's a big problem; even if you wanted to use the stairs, like going down one floor and not wanting to play Elevator Roulette, you can't farkin' find them, or you can't get out of them when you get there.
 
2013-07-23 10:37:01 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises?


Stay with me here.

Lions. Tigers. Bears.
Surgically remove their rear legs.
Replace them with trollies, that adjustable for resistance (speed)
Set them up, so that reasonably fit adults, including the elderly can out run them
Make the elderly and obese, physically pick their disability/social security checks up.
Starve the animals, and set them free.

Solve the obesity and medicare/social security problem.  Adjust for the old folks when
the fund is solvent again.
 
2013-07-23 10:40:15 AM  

KyngNothing: Even in suburbia, I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...


Most modern office buildings are owned by a single entity and have suites leased out to multiple companies with individual restrictions to access necessary for insurance and their own corporate security policies.

Designing the stairwells to be used only in an emergency allows the building owner to have one keyfob reader per elevator vs one reader per floor per stairwell.

Even on a 3 floor building with 2 elevators and 4 stairwells you're looking at 2 readers vs. 12. Makes sense when I think of it in those terms.
 
2013-07-23 10:42:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Dr Dreidel: Here in DC, we know a thing or two about stairs.

// it's a trick
// get an axe

Fastest way to the liquor store right there.

Damn. I could go for a chicken madness.


Watch for falling priests.
 
2013-07-23 10:50:00 AM  
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-23 10:56:18 AM  

chaosangel: Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises? I say we just don't make any accommodations for fat bastards. If you can't fit in the ambulance, then you don't get any medicine. It's time to start holding people responsible and stop coddling them. We need to thin the herd somehow.

I am guessing some solutions will be market based.  Eventually, insurance companies will have to wade in to bring down the costs.

When repugs complain about paying for my birth control (for my sins of lust), I say they have a valid point.  So, no birth control for me and no erectile dysfunction drugs for you (which have pretty much always been covered, BTW).

But why stop there?  Why should I pay for your sins of gluttony and sloth?  Your lifestyle choices bring greater risks, so your premiums should be higher. Whereas I work very hard to stay fit and healthy, so how about a discount for those of us who try?  Of course the teabaggers, who scream about personal responsibility, are just full of denial and/or excuses when it comes to their taking responsibilty for their choices.

Unfortunately, having obestiy recently declared a disease (oh please) throws a major wrench in my brilliant plan.


My fiancée has a shiatty, company managed health plan.  It doesn't pay for shiat, really (as an aside, her company is run by conservative republicans, go figure).  Their premiums go up every year because the owners "are putting way too much money into it".  My fiancée nets them 10 million dollars a year (total sales of 22 million - no shiat).  The owners are literal billionaires, and don't want to buy a decent health plan to take care of the people who, well, make them billionaires.

Anyway, I digress.

My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup.  In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.  You fail if you're a fatty.
 
2013-07-23 10:58:30 AM  
"Night - night, time to climb the wooden hill . . ."

really?  Nothing else to complain about?
*sheesh*
 
2013-07-23 11:00:59 AM  

tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.


If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.
 
2013-07-23 11:05:32 AM  

GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.


I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.
 
2013-07-23 11:11:46 AM  

tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.


This sounds extremely shady.
 
2013-07-23 11:15:27 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.

This sounds extremely shady.




I wonder what website has the pictures and videos.
 
2013-07-23 11:22:07 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.

This sounds extremely shady.


If it's an opt-in program, it's 100% legal. Shady, but legal. You can (very easily) waive your rights under HIPAA, which deals more with how your doc collects and handles your records than the records themselves. HIPAA's about protecting the RECORD (those first two letters are "Health Information").
 
2013-07-23 11:46:17 AM  

dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.


The doors to the stairwells in my building are locked such that you can go down the stairs, but not up. Once you're in the stairwell, you can only get out at the ground floor. Can't get back in at the ground floor. A couple of the programmers will enter the stairwell on our floor, then take the stairs down and back up a few times, then exit on the ground floor and take the elevator back to our office.

/I always take the stairs down, try to walk everywhere
//Do the stairwell thing when the weather is shiat-tay.
 
2013-07-23 12:04:13 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: tripleseven: GoldSpider: tripleseven: My point was, every year, you can apply for a premium reduction if you get a checkup. In the office, in front of your peers, and HR gets the results.

If your description is accurate, that can't be legal under HIPAA.

I am not sure of the ins and outs of it, as I wasn't there, but the checkups do take place in the office, and HR gets your results (they need to know whether you qualify for the reduction).  I am sure there's paperwork that waives whatever hipaa regulations apply.

This sounds extremely shady.


Yeah, my first reaction was WTF?  But, as I've read the hipaa disclosures at my docs office, it only says that they can't share your info without your consent, and if you sign the consent, they can share the info.


Still, it's farking unnerving that this is what we've become.
.
Nobody said conservative republicans were on the up and up.  I am pretty sure that if they could legally get away with having their employees on medicaid, they'd gladly do it.
 
2013-07-23 12:14:25 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Here in DC, we know a thing or two about stairs.

[www.citywalkingguide.com image 396x600]

// it's a trick
// get an axe


Oddly enough, I put on 30 pounds in the 18 or so months I worked in DC, despite having to walk a bunch more than at my previous job (in Columbia). The commute into the city kicked my ass, which led to not exercising and eating dubiously, and onward and downward.

Got a gig closer to home, used the hours I got back to hit the treadmill, cook more, and brown-bag lunches. Dropped 50 pounds in about 12 months of concerted effort.

/Sedentary job
//Never lived in the city, suspect the "terrible commute = no energy = poor decisions" thing wouldn't have been a problem if I had.
///Back to the same weight I was in high school.
 
2013-07-23 01:11:11 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-23 01:23:14 PM  
Any anti-douche bag legislation in the works?
 
2013-07-23 02:23:56 PM  

epoch_destroi: He is the space robots and he is here to protect us.


He's here to protect us from the terrible secret of space.

/pak chooie unf
 
2013-07-23 02:39:12 PM  
elevator in his townhouse on the upper East Side, he said. "I have five floors,"
 
2013-07-23 02:46:00 PM  

Son of Thunder: Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space

Winner.


Still no substitute for shoving New Yorkers up stairs.
 
2013-07-23 03:24:19 PM  
Bloomberg is a baby tyrant and New Yorkers are cowards and children.
 
2013-07-23 04:52:46 PM  
No Underworld references?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-23 05:04:45 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Bloomberg is a baby tyrant and New Yorkers are cowards and children.


Yeah, because your people are so brave and strong, right?
 
2013-07-23 05:57:34 PM  
bradhodson.files.wordpress.com

"Don't tread on me, whargarblgarbl!!"
 
2013-07-23 06:05:02 PM  
One would think an in-shape proletariat is the last thing they would want.
 
2013-07-23 06:30:20 PM  
It is amazing how people go completely batshiat insane at just there mere mention of Bloomberg's name.

"Oh my god! He suggested people use the stairs and get a little exercise! What tyranny! He's history's greatest monster!"
 
2013-07-23 06:52:02 PM  

Hobodeluxe: cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.

I agree but I can see where he is coming from. the nation's biggest health problem (and I would argue any problem) is obesity. it costs us more than everything else combined. people are not being responsible for their own health.
his problem is trying to mandate it by decree.


But if holding food producers and marketers responsible is not part of the solution, then there is no solution.
 
2013-07-23 07:14:48 PM  

Thrag: It is amazing how people go completely batshiat insane at just there mere mention of Bloomberg's name.

"Oh my god! He suggested people use the stairs and get a little exercise! What tyranny! He's history's greatest monster!"


No one will take my LIBERTY and FREEDOM to DIE YOUNG OF A CORONARY DISEASE BECAUSE I EAT FRIED LARD CHIPS FOR BREAKFAST!
 
2013-07-24 12:57:41 AM  
Do not listen to the Michael Bloomberg.  He is malfunctioning.
 
2013-07-24 05:37:47 PM  
What Bloomberg says when he goes into a bar, to the first man he sees "May I push in your stool?"
 
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