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2013-07-23 08:32:41 AM  
This one, I actually agree with.
 
2013-07-23 08:33:12 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.


I voted for Mr. The Rent Is Too Damn High, so don't look at me, pal.
 
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2013-07-23 08:34:14 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: What you might think he's doing: shutting down escalators and elevators and mandating new buildings don't have them.
What he's really doing: not that


It's "reason" everything has to be an evil liberal conspiracy.
 
2013-07-23 08:34:51 AM  
He should combine strategies to make his policies a little easier to swallow.  For example, why don't we make 32 oz sodas available exclusively on fifth floor establishments with no elevators?

I think it would be a step in the right direction and perhaps it wouldn't fizzle out this time.
 
2013-07-23 08:37:26 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.


I can't believe everyone was duped in to allowing the tyranny of access to stairs and signs showing you where they are. Truly, evil only prevails when good men do nothing.
 
2013-07-23 08:41:39 AM  
Oh, is he back from peeing in the Indian river already?
 
2013-07-23 08:43:47 AM  
I'm not always on board with uncle Mike, but this is good. I don't give a shiat about smokers, the obese, and people who drive gas guzzlers. Burn the extra calories from that deli sammich (cause you know how many fat grams was in it).
 
2013-07-23 08:44:55 AM  
dilbert.com
 
2013-07-23 08:47:11 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.
 
2013-07-23 08:48:49 AM  

vudukungfu: Oh, is he back from peeing in the Indian river already?


I'm rather surprised that both he and Andrew Cuomo made it out of the Adirondacks alive, given the shiat they've pulled recently.  State troopers must have scoured the woods.
 
2013-07-23 08:48:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I don't know why you thought Nanny Bloomberg would stop at smoking, or transfats, or sugary drinks, or any of the other things that adults should be able to decide for themselves.  You elected him.  You wanted someone to tell you how to live and now you've got it.  Tagging it "asinine" now is just closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out.

I can't believe everyone was duped in to allowing the tyranny of access to stairs and signs showing you where they are. Truly, evil only prevails when good men do nothing.


Ya, like the good ole boys in Mississippi who passed 'anti Bloomberg' legislation, ensuring their fat ass citizens stay uninformed.
 
2013-07-23 08:50:09 AM  
Fun fact, while New Yorkers can walk up stairs, they won't walk down them.
 
2013-07-23 08:51:25 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.


That sucks, so much faster to take the stairs in a situation like that.

Anyway, one January I came back to work with a resolution to get more exercise and decided to walk down from my 9th floor office. Building security was not amused.

/they were really pisssed when a bunch of us decided to take the stairs and set off alarms on 9/11 when we were being evacuated
 
2013-07-23 08:52:26 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: I'm not always on board with uncle Mike, but this is good.


Hear, hear. I find it particularly galling when a building's stairs are reserved for emergencies. Leave the elevator-vs-stairs decision up to the people involved.

We love making fun of anything and everything here (because, hey, it's Fark), but the Mayor is right about this one.
 
2013-07-23 08:52:50 AM  
Little babies!

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www.royal-mile.com

farm5.staticflickr.com

Welcome to Edinburgh.
 
2013-07-23 08:53:49 AM  
Bloomberg, who has a compulsion to control people, is a better candidate to head DHS than a simple law enforcer like Kelly.
 
2013-07-23 08:53:51 AM  
It seems Bloomberg didn't even bother looking at how many calories something like this will really burn.  I don't think anyone's going to use the stairs if it will take them more than 2 minutes to reach the top, and a 300 lb person will only burn 40 calories at the 2 minute mark.

/I'm even being excessively generous with the 2 minute number.
 
2013-07-23 08:54:32 AM  

Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises?


We don't.

You can't stop people from being lazy, fat motherf*ckers. Just look at this thread. People going completely apesh*t not because they will even be forced to take the stairs, but because they're discussing the possibility of "visible access to stairs and signs encouraging their use." The very idea of physical exercise upsets a lot of people. The whole 'ZOMFG NANYY SATTE!!111" sh*t is just a convenient cover.
 
2013-07-23 08:55:08 AM  

Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space


THANK you! Jeez, took this long to get it right!
 
2013-07-23 08:56:03 AM  

Hobodeluxe: he just wants to save us from the terrible secrets of space


The shover robot tells me that shoving is the answer...  Who am I to believe?
 
2013-07-23 08:57:13 AM  
Only fat people take the elevator from the first to the second floor.

But that is their right.

/BBW
 
2013-07-23 08:58:56 AM  
I really hope this guy dies soon, preferably by a morbidly obese woman passing out on top of him.
 
2013-07-23 09:00:15 AM  
i take the stairs 95% of the time and i'm on the 4th floor (a high 4th floor, mind you).. it winds me a little bit but beats being a fatty.

If you look at pics back in the 70s of even NY, you will find that it is really farking hard to find a fatty. It's like a where's waldo to find one that's really obese.
 
2013-07-23 09:00:43 AM  

dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.



Where a company's offices aren't separated from the stairwell by corridor with limited access - most common when a company would occupy an entire floor - it was typical to have re-entry from a stairwell be restricted only to certain floors, even if all floors belonged to the same firm; most stairwell doors would lock behind you. It was especially the case with different companies occupying each floor, as unsecured stairwells meant you could walk unimpeded into another company's space (thus defeating the purpose of having controlled access from the elevator area).

Not sure if the NYFD fire code has changed generally since 9/11 regarding this access issue, but we had a change in my current (small) building re stairwell access to floors for safety reasons. All doors to the stairwells are required now to open on every floor.
 
2013-07-23 09:01:25 AM  
I don't know whether you'd consider Mayor Bloomberg a nanny or not, but have you considered that whenever it comes to public health initiatives (encouraging exercise, discouraging people from drinking and eating things that increase the risk of diabetes and heart attacks), conservatives are acting like a bunch of petulant little children ("you can't make me exercise, you're not the boss of me!").  In the health care debate, they brought up forcing everybody to eat broccoli, as if that was the worst thing ever in the world.
 
2013-07-23 09:01:39 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Bloomberg, who has a compulsion to control people, is a better candidate to head DHS than a simple law enforcer like Kelly.


How is allowing folks to use the stairs with greater ease controlling people? I mean he's a cock for a lot of reasons, but why are so many people completely missing what he's doing here? He's not preventing people from using escalators and elevators, he's trying to increase access to stairs. Many buildings, like my office, won't allow folks to go up the stairs to their floor, just down to the first for fires. This is changing that so that I can choose, if I want, to walk up my 4 flights of stairs instead. How is that controlling people?
 
2013-07-23 09:01:55 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Only fat people take the elevator from the first to the second floor.

But that is their right.

/BBW


Hey now, sometimes we take the escalator

/Standing in place the whole way up, of course
 
2013-07-23 09:02:45 AM  
According to  the NY Daily News, Bloomberg would "change city building codes to allow stairwells to remain open at all times - as long as they are outfitted with special mechanisms to close the doors in case of fire."

Wait, wut?  Every elevator I've ever seen bears a sign reading, "In case of fire, do not use elevator."  So WTF are people supposed to do in case of fire?

Oh, right:

farm4.staticflickr.com

OK, coffee finally kicks in.  "Closed" does not equal "locked."  An open stairwell door invites use of stairs. But still,  I thought ground floor stairwell doors were locked so bums wouldn't piss in there.
 
2013-07-23 09:03:47 AM  
Take the stairs, fatty. It won't kill you.
 
2013-07-23 09:04:08 AM  

Lydia_C: dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.


Where a company's offices aren't separated from the stairwell by corridor with limited access - most common when a company would occupy an entire floor - it was typical to have re-entry from a stairwell be restricted only to certain floors, even if all floors belonged to the same firm; most stairwell doors would lock behind you. It was especially the case with different companies occupying each floor, as unsecured stairwells meant you could walk unimpeded into another company's space (thus defeating the purpose of having controlled access from the elevator area).

Not sure if the NYFD fire code has changed generally since 9/11 regarding this access issue, but we had a change in my current (small) building re stairwell access to floors for safety reasons. All doors to the stairwells are required now to open on every floor.


To be clear: you can walk onto any floor in my building from the stairwell.

/of course, you have to get past the armed guards down in the lobby first
 
2013-07-23 09:04:29 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Richard C Stanford: So how do we solve the obesity crises?

We don't.

You can't stop people from being lazy, fat motherf*ckers. Just look at this thread. People going completely apesh*t not because they will even be forced to take the stairs, but because they're discussing the possibility of "visible access to stairs and signs encouraging their use." The very idea of physical exercise upsets a lot of people. The whole 'ZOMFG NANYY SATTE!!111" sh*t is just a convenient cover.


Humans are predisposed to love calorie dense food. It's how we survived so long.

Some of you just have way more willpower than us fat farks. Personally I'm going to try to exercise it off and moderate my eating, but not 'diet', or really stop eating what I want/like. Though ill stop getting 2nds, and incorporate more whole foods etc.
 
2013-07-23 09:05:03 AM  
TFA: "Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators"

Really? We're talking about modifications to signs they're already required to have?
So instead of "stairs over here" it'll be "please consider using the stairs that are over here"?

I realize Reason gets its panties in a bunch over the very concept of laws requiring owners of publicly-accessible property to do *anything*. 
But even this should be beneath them.
 
2013-07-23 09:07:14 AM  
I know my time in NYC was only a week in Manhattan and I was doing "touristy" stuff a lot of the time, but I walked more there than at any time in my life.You pretty much had too.  Even if you took the subway you still had to walk a good ways.  At the latter part of the week my shins were killing me.  From my perspective lack of physical activity such as walking isn't that big of a problem in NYC.
 
2013-07-23 09:08:12 AM  

cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.


Demanding stairs be placed in a different spot? You realize that there are umteen regulations on stair placement already, so this just changes that to be somewhat more user-accessible? In fact, it's easier to architect instead of hiding the stairs like they currently do. Do you think stairs are just placed willy-nilly and that this impinges on the freedom of the architects and designers or something? Come on, I have seen conservative whining before, but this is pants-on-head retarded.
 
2013-07-23 09:09:04 AM  

ringersol: Really? We're talking about modifications to signs they're already required to have?
So instead of "stairs over here" it'll be "please consider using the stairs that are over here"?

I realize Reason gets its panties in a bunch over the very concept of laws requiring owners of publicly-accessible property to do *anything*.
But even this should be beneath them.


And yet look how many people on here are crying "tyranny." Stupid finds a way.
 
2013-07-23 09:10:33 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I thought ground floor stairwell doors were locked so bums wouldn't piss in there.


I am sure there are cases where this is a problem, but I can't think of one that applies to me.
 
2013-07-23 09:11:28 AM  

dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.


Many do.  It's particularly infuriating when a building is designed so that the stairs are an exit only, meaning that once a person is in the stairwell, all doors are locked so they can't enter any floor, forcing them to down to the bottom where the only door at that level is an exit to the street.

it's farking stupid, stupid, stupid.
 
2013-07-23 09:13:36 AM  
Meh, I rarely use an elevator if it's less then 6 flights.  Then again, my office is on the 18th floor.
 
2013-07-23 09:14:13 AM  

kroonermanblack: Some of you just have way more willpower than us fat farks. Personally I'm going to try to exercise it off and moderate my eating, but not 'diet', or really stop eating what I want/like. Though ill stop getting 2nds, and incorporate more whole foods etc.


As a self admitted skinny person, I have to say I just never understood this concept.  You have to go out of your way to go buy food, and eat it.  It takes  more effort and money to eat than to not eat.  Hell, I'm a lazy person.  Half the reason its easy for me to maintain weight is because I look at having to spend 20 or 30 minutes in front of a stove and I say "ehhh.... fark that."

Maybe my body just doesnt appreciate the taste of food as much as others.
 
2013-07-23 09:15:05 AM  
What?! Someone is trying to make Americans be healthy?! Fark him.


In some other countries the elevator doesn't even stop on floors 2-4. You want to go to floor 3? Take the stairs fatty or be in a wheel chair and use the disabled person's elevator.
 
2013-07-23 09:15:15 AM  
Asinine tag is for linking to Reason.
 
2013-07-23 09:16:50 AM  
Meanwhile, in Kansas City:

godigico.com
 
2013-07-23 09:17:17 AM  

Alonjar: kroonermanblack: Some of you just have way more willpower than us fat farks. Personally I'm going to try to exercise it off and moderate my eating, but not 'diet', or really stop eating what I want/like. Though ill stop getting 2nds, and incorporate more whole foods etc.

As a self admitted skinny person, I have to say I just never understood this concept.  You have to go out of your way to go buy food, and eat it.  It takes  more effort and money to eat than to not eat.  Hell, I'm a lazy person.   Half the reason its easy for me to maintain weight is because I look at having to spend 20 or 30 minutes in front of a stove and I say "ehhh.... fark that."

Maybe my body just doesnt appreciate the taste of food as much as others.


Now if there was only some way of speeding up the heating process. . .
I'd explain why a trip to the general store doesn't require a half day trip into town, but I've gotta go raid the vending machine.
 
2013-07-23 09:18:01 AM  

pueblonative: whenever it comes to public health initiatives (encouraging exercise, discouraging people from drinking and eating things that increase the risk of diabetes and heart attacks), conservatives are acting like a bunch of petulant little children ("you can't make me exercise, you're not the boss of me!").


And this situation doesn't even go that far.  It's not "You can't make me exercise, you're not the boss of me", the reality is that this is "You can't point out the existence of a slightly more healthy option, you're not the boss of me!"
 
2013-07-23 09:18:15 AM  

Lydia_C: Lydia_C: dittybopper: Prank Call of Cthulhu: KyngNothing: I hate that most modern office buildings hide the damn stairs...

Our building went one better and forbade use of the stairs. Really. The doors to the stairwells are now fire exit only and are alarmed. You have no choice but to take the elevator, even if it's just to go up or down a floor.

Because security.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I've never heard of such a thing.  Even in places where security is paramount.


Where a company's offices aren't separated from the stairwell by corridor with limited access - most common when a company would occupy an entire floor - it was typical to have re-entry from a stairwell be restricted only to certain floors, even if all floors belonged to the same firm; most stairwell doors would lock behind you. It was especially the case with different companies occupying each floor, as unsecured stairwells meant you could walk unimpeded into another company's space (thus defeating the purpose of having controlled access from the elevator area).

Not sure if the NYFD fire code has changed generally since 9/11 regarding this access issue, but we had a change in my current (small) building re stairwell access to floors for safety reasons. All doors to the stairwells are required now to open on every floor.

To be clear: you can walk onto any floor in my building from the stairwell.

/of course, you have to get past the armed guards down in the lobby first


In my building's case, you have to somehow open the door even though there's no handle on the outside so it can only be opened from the stair side.
 
2013-07-23 09:18:16 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Legislation being submitted to Council would require building owners to provide visible access to stairs and post signs encouraging their use near elevators

Oh my god freedom is dead forever.




Do you even know what freedom is?
 
2013-07-23 09:18:29 AM  

Marine1: Meanwhile, in Kansas City:

[godigico.com image 640x365]


There is one, maybe two people in that photo who might qualify as 'overweight' instead of obese. Middle America is a scary place.
 
2013-07-23 09:19:28 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: cman: Mister Bloomberg is one of the primary architects of what big government should be like.

Let me make this easy for you: big government can be used as a tool for good but this isn't one of those things. This is one of those things that overreaches, micromanaging people's lives for the sole purpose of micromanaging people's lives. Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.

Demanding stairs be placed in a different spot? You realize that there are umteen regulations on stair placement already, so this just changes that to be somewhat more user-accessible? In fact, it's easier to architect instead of hiding the stairs like they currently do. Do you think stairs are just placed willy-nilly and that this impinges on the freedom of the architects and designers or something? Come on, I have seen conservative whining before, but this is pants-on-head retarded.


You are right. Governments can demand changes on basis for reasons of public safety. My premise was wrong with the way it was worded.

Let me try that again:

Banning king-sized soda cups and demanding that stairs are placed in a different spot for the sole purpose of making someone act a certain way is something that is a bit excessive for any sort of Government.
 
2013-07-23 09:19:44 AM  

kobrakai: ringersol: Really? We're talking about modifications to signs they're already required to have?
So instead of "stairs over here" it'll be "please consider using the stairs that are over here"?

I realize Reason gets its panties in a bunch over the very concept of laws requiring owners of publicly-accessible property to do *anything*.
But even this should be beneath them.

And yet look how many people on here are crying "tyranny." Stupid finds a way.



Kind of reminds me of a post I saw on Facebook this morning from a conservative 'friend" this morning: "First the government came for my light bulbs and now for my ceiling fans".  Of course this person has no problem with violating a person's 4th Amendment rights if they look Mexican.
 
2013-07-23 09:21:49 AM  

Carth: Marine1: Meanwhile, in Kansas City:

[godigico.com image 640x365]

There is one, maybe two people in that photo who might qualify as 'overweight' instead of obese. Middle America is a scary place.


*backhands Carth*

Do you know where that is? YOU WILL SHOW RESPECT.

/and there are both normal-weight and obese people in that pic
 
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