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2013-07-23 09:52:52 AM  

jso2897: Gimmick accounts should get IP permabanned.


Every time you try to make a gimmick alt to troll, a fist should pop out of the screen and punch you in the face when you try to register.
 
2013-07-23 09:52:59 AM  

Silly_Sot: In the real world, social change takes time. The alternative is mass murder and ending up no better than you started


lol wat.

That's ridiculous.
 
2013-07-23 09:54:43 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Which has the effect of neutralizing a ban on gay marriage.


Not entirely.  Being forced to recognize an out of state marriage as valid is not the same thing as being forced to allow those marriages to occur in your state.  The former is happening now, the latter will likely take many more years to change for many states.  IMHO, the fed will stay out of the latter issue and let the states change over time.
 
2013-07-23 09:55:40 AM  

Silly_Sot: Fart_Machine: Silly_Sot: Golly, then you could to full progressive like Pol Pot did. Didn't he turn Cambodia into a progressive paradise?

I live with my mom

Tell me what you think once you move out of mommy's basement and learn about the real world. In the real world, social change takes time. The alternative is mass murder and ending up no better than you started. Disagree, please show how Pol Pot actually did create a paradise.


So you're not a troll but just an idiot.  There is no progressive that believes Pol Pot created a paradise.  Now go back under your bridge.
 
2013-07-23 09:56:48 AM  
I support same sex marriage but I do not think that it does. The Constitution does not cover marriage, so its a states rights issue.
 
2013-07-23 09:57:19 AM  

make me some tea: Subby, you couldn't even type out "same-sex marriage"? Really?


On my screen, the headline reads:

Federal judge in Ohio rules that state bans on same sex marriage violate US Constitution

So, looks like the subby did type it out.  What is your problem?
 
2013-07-23 09:57:20 AM  

revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.


Thank you for defeating Gay Communism, Ronald Reagan.
 
2013-07-23 09:57:31 AM  

Silly_Sot: Rhino_man: davidphogan: pootsie: If you are in favor of same-sex marriage, watch this video about the couple in this lawsuit.

But be sure to have the hankies handy

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130714/NEWS10/307140009/To-get- ma rried-they-left-Ohio?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

How the fark can anyone argue against letting them be married?  I mean, what the fark is wrong with people?

Jesus.
Does that answer your question?

Because the following ideas are EVIL and must be eradicated:

Love your neighbor as yourself.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
Sell all you have and give it to the poor.
As you judge, so shall you be judged.
Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.


Yes, those, and many other similar sentiments are the most evil things imaginable.


Sounds racist.

Oh and
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2013-07-23 09:57:35 AM  

DeaH: This text is now purple: exatron: That's an equal protection violation, so the only thing getting smacked down will be Ohio's ban.

How the fed rules on equal protection is remarkably subjective. Why does a marriage license transfer, but not a gun permit, or a professional certification? It's not like anatomy or gravity is different between Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Your point that it is different for different things does not discount that marriage is a contract that does fall under equal protection.Right now, the minimum age to marry in Michigan is 18. The minimum age to marry in Mississippi is 21. Yet, two 18-year-olds who marry in Michigan will have their marriage recognized in Mississippi if they move their before their 21st birthdays. Why should this be different if the issue is gender, not age?


Intra-state contracts have less constitutional protection than public acts, which my PE is. That doesn't receive automatic reciprocity. The larger point is that the equal protections clause is a blanket with many holes, through which many things fall which are politically distasteful in one jurisdiction or another. It's also worth considering what else will ride along should you decide to patch all of those holes.
 
2013-07-23 09:57:57 AM  

randomjsa: I support same sex marriage but I do not think that it does. The Constitution does not cover marriage, so its a states rights issue.


Never read the 14th Amendment, huh?
 
2013-07-23 09:59:49 AM  

Biological Ali: Silly_Sot: Fart_Machine: Silly_Sot: Golly, then you could to full progressive like Pol Pot did. Didn't he turn Cambodia into a progressive paradise?

I live with my mom

Tell me what you think once you move out of mommy's basement and learn about the real world. In the real world, social change takes time. The alternative is mass murder and ending up no better than you started. Disagree, please show how Pol Pot actually did create a paradise.

This is some of the laziest trolling I've seen all month.


Fine, I'll bite.

Calling someone a troll is lazy.

Try a real argument instead of some ad hominem/strawman falacy.
 
2013-07-23 10:00:43 AM  

Biological Ali: Silly_Sot: Fart_Machine: Silly_Sot: Golly, then you could to full progressive like Pol Pot did. Didn't he turn Cambodia into a progressive paradise?

I live with my mom

Tell me what you think once you move out of mommy's basement and learn about the real world. In the real world, social change takes time. The alternative is mass murder and ending up no better than you started. Disagree, please show how Pol Pot actually did create a paradise.

This is some of the laziest trolling I've seen all month.


All the trolls are suffering from intense fatigue from all the GAZIGATES lately and can't get it up much.
 
2013-07-23 10:00:51 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Try a real argument instead


I don't think you know how arguments work.
 
2013-07-23 10:01:21 AM  

hubiestubert: They were legally married, and even if you're not real thrilled by the thought, if it was legal in the state it was performed in, it's legal in your state. Unless of course folks really want to open that whole miscegenation thing again...


That's exactly what they want to do.  In fact, back when Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he dusted off some old laws from the anti-miscegenation era to attempt to prevent his own state from marrying same sex couples from out of state (every little bit helps, I guess).
 
2013-07-23 10:03:42 AM  

randomjsa: I support same sex marriage but I do not think that it does. The Constitution does not cover marriage, so its a states rights issue.


The Lee v. Grant decision of 1865 put an end to concept of "states rights".
 
2013-07-23 10:03:50 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Fine, I'll bite.

Calling someone a troll is lazy.

Try a real argument instead of some ad hominem/strawman falacy.


I daresay this weird shtick of chastising people for not getting into serious arguments with obvious trolls may be more irritating than the trolls themselves.
 
2013-07-23 10:04:07 AM  

ChaoticLimbs: It sure seems like it's a lot of work pulling these knuckle-dragging losers into the 21st century. If only we could just void the old government and all of its hideous rulings and legislations of the last 200 years and actually write a Constitution that specifically outlaws religion-based legislations and outlines everything the government is allowed to do and everything the government is completely forbidden from doing...

Oh wait, they did, and everyone in power has been ignoring the shiat out of it the whole time.


I would add maybe one provision forbidding a candidate or public servant from taking any gift, present, amenity, or accomodation which exceeds ten dollars in value from any person. Not even farking Christmas presents. Somehow there's this loophole which makes it possible for most of our Congressmen to make millions per year on hundreds of thousands of salary. I'm pretty sure 90 percent of it is open bribery, and we're doing nothing.


I think 90% is comes from investment. Of course, when you write the law to specifically exclude yourself from insider information trading rules, you can make some pretty spectacular investments. It's not bribery, though. It's plain, old theft. But, it's legal theft because the laws allow it. It's good to make the laws.
 
2013-07-23 10:04:09 AM  

Silly_Sot: Because the following ideas are EVIL and must be eradicated:

Love your neighbor as yourself.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
Sell all you have and give it to the poor.
As you judge, so shall you be judged.
Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.


Yes, those, and many other similar sentiments are the most evil things imaginable.


I tried that, but when I went to grab his crotch, he punched me in the face!
 
2013-07-23 10:05:09 AM  

randomjsa: The Constitution does not cover marriage


The Supreme Court disagrees.

The court ruled that Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute violated both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

There is no reason whatsoever for them to rule any differently on the question of two people of the same gender getting married than they did on the question of two people of different races getting married.

They sidestepped the issue on questions of standing last time, but there are no standing issues in this case.
 
2013-07-23 10:05:17 AM  

Biological Ali: I daresay this weird shtick of chastising people for not getting into serious arguments with obvious trolls may be more irritating than the trolls themselves.


I'd place it on par with the "echo chamber" argument.
 
2013-07-23 10:06:24 AM  
Good.
 
2013-07-23 10:07:18 AM  

Biological Ali: StoPPeRmobile: Fine, I'll bite.

Calling someone a troll is lazy.

Try a real argument instead of some ad hominem/strawman falacy.

I daresay this weird shtick of chastising people for not getting into serious arguments with obvious trolls may be more irritating than the trolls themselves.




Sometimes you need to cull the herd to keep it healthy.
 
2013-07-23 10:09:32 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Good, now they can have a Flintstones.


May be they can even have same-sex kidnappings and serial killers in Cleveland (John Wayne Gacey does get credit)
 
2013-07-23 10:11:09 AM  
sorry Amerika
but you don't actually get to 'vote'
on questions of human rights,

no matter how awesome your prejudice
 
2013-07-23 10:19:30 AM  

revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.


I agree. I love how the Ohio GOP and Johnny-boy Kasich tried to stop it and just got shot down. I wonder how much of my tax money will go to a pointless, wasteful fight to get it re-instated?
 
2013-07-23 10:21:12 AM  

make me some tea: Subby, you couldn't even type out "same-sex marriage"? Really?


I think the greatest message anyone should walk away from here with is that god damned hypen was missing from this headline.  Thank you for this.  You are a prince among artists formally known as prince.
 
2013-07-23 10:24:45 AM  

skozlaw: Actually, these pro-same-sex-marriage rulings are kind of starting to piss me off. I'm still waiting on the end of days I was promised by conservatives and religious nuts regarding the FIRST ruling so many years ago.

Thirteen states and still no doomsday. WTF people? Where's our modern Sodom-smiting?


Here's the thing about the Sodom-smiting: it had more to do with hospitality than gayness. The crowd was upset that there were strangers present. They wanted to humiliate them. Rape is pretty humiliating, so that that what they were screaming they wanted to do. Lot chided them for their bad hospitality. Lot even offered up his own virgin daughters for the crowd to rape (Lot was a very attentive host), but the crowd wanted to punish the strangers for coming into their town.

So, long-story-short, you'll have to wait to see what happens with immigration before any smiting can happen.
 
2013-07-23 10:27:13 AM  
DeaH: skozlaw: Actually, these pro-same-sex-marriage rulings are kind of starting to piss me off. I'm still waiting on the end of days I was promised by conservatives and religious nuts regarding the FIRST ruling so many years ago.

Thirteen states and still no doomsday. WTF people? Where's our modern Sodom-smiting?

Here's the thing about the Sodom-smiting: it had more to do with hospitality than gayness. The crowd was upset that there were strangers present. They wanted to humiliate them. Rape is pretty humiliating, so that that  was what they were screaming they wanted to do. Lot chided them for their bad hospitality. Lot even offered up his own virgin daughters for the crowd to rape (Lot was a very attentive host), but the crowd wanted to punish the strangers for coming into their town.

So, long-story-short, you'll have to wait to see what happens with immigration before any smiting can happen.

/ftfm
 
2013-07-23 10:29:32 AM  

trotsky: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

I agree. I love how the Ohio GOP and Johnny-boy Kasich tried to stop it and just got shot down. I wonder how much of my tax money will go to a pointless, wasteful fight to get it re-instated?


If they don't fight it, then the Supreme Court can just ignore the case on standing grounds as just happened in the Prop 8 case. When California refused to fight for Prop 8 in the court system, that gave the Supreme Court an out on this case.

To force the Supreme Court to make a ruling, the case has to happen in a State where it will be fought by state officials who have standing..
 
2013-07-23 10:29:51 AM  

DeaH: So, long-story-short, you'll have to wait to see what happens with immigration before any smiting can happen.


So if I want to bring about the Rapture, I need to rape an immigrant?  It's never seemed so simple!
 
2013-07-23 10:32:45 AM  
This appears to be to avoid the estate taxes.

If they can afford a specially equipped jet there is obviously a good bit of money involved here. Not to mention paying their lawyers.

It will be interesting if "legally married in any state" gets you the unlimited marital deduction.

It probably should. But, that would effectively end the estate tax. Which is also a good thing.
 
2013-07-23 10:33:06 AM  

ciberido: There was one today or yesterday about a a pair of transseuxals who are dating or something.  I've been sitting that one out because of all the crap about Zimmerman, then the rape victim in Dubai, and then Laramie and now this.  But I'm sure the derptarians have been busy there, if you have the stomach for it.


Not right after breakfast, thank you.
 
2013-07-23 10:37:06 AM  

cchris_39: This appears to be to avoid the estate taxes.

If they can afford a specially equipped jet there is obviously a good bit of money involved here. Not to mention paying their lawyers.

It will be interesting if "legally married in any state" gets you the unlimited marital deduction.

It probably should. But, that would effectively end the estate tax. Which is also a good thing.


Why would it effectively end the estate tax? It's not like that tax only hit gay couples.
 
2013-07-23 10:37:23 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dickfreckle: I, too, saw the Berlin Wall come down, albeit I was a kid.

The Berlin Wall fell on the anniversary of Kristallnacht.
I was stationed in Germany.
On watch.
Talk about mixed feelings ...


That had to be a hell of a thing.  I was in Germany the summer before and after (Army brat).  I was only 8 or so at the time, but I definitely remember how big of a deal that was.
 
2013-07-23 10:37:30 AM  

bobbette: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Thank you for defeating Gay Communism, Ronald Reagan.


You know, I do credit Ronald Reagan for bringing us gay marriage. The whole "killing all the right people" sentiment from Regan Republicans (there was actually a bumper sticker) rallied the gay movement. This led to the push for gay marriage.
 
2013-07-23 10:38:42 AM  
Bold stances on the issue are the only way progress will be made. It is to easy to water down a half-assed position.
Gary Johnson supports not just gay marriage, but a Constitutional Amendment settling the issue once and for all. It was one of the big reasons I voted for him.
 
2013-07-23 10:39:10 AM  

born_yesterday: DeaH: So, long-story-short, you'll have to wait to see what happens with immigration before any smiting can happen.

So if I want to bring about the Rapture, I need to rape an immigrant?  It's never seemed so simple!


No, dear, you need to rape them all.
 
2013-07-23 10:39:56 AM  

cchris_39: This appears to be to avoid the estate taxes.
If they can afford a specially equipped jet there is obviously a good bit of money involved here. Not to mention paying their lawyers.
It will be interesting if "legally married in any state" gets you the unlimited marital deduction.
It probably should. But, that would effectively end the estate tax. Which is also a good thing.


1. The plane charter was a donation.  (It's in TFA.)
2. Legally married in any state already qualifies for federal tax deductions and benefits.
3. The estate tax is a good thing. Of course, it doesn't kick in until the estate is over $5.25 million.
 
2013-07-23 10:42:42 AM  
False flag op to get conservatives to the polls in November 2014.

//Ah who am I kidding, this is very good news.
 
2013-07-23 10:42:45 AM  

PanicMan: demaL-demaL-yeH: dickfreckle: I, too, saw the Berlin Wall come down, albeit I was a kid.

The Berlin Wall fell on the anniversary of Kristallnacht.
I was stationed in Germany.
On watch.
Talk about mixed feelings ...

That had to be a hell of a thing.  I was in Germany the summer before and after (Army brat).  I was only 8 or so at the time, but I definitely remember how big of a deal that was.


By the way, I'm Jewish.
 
2013-07-23 10:45:29 AM  

DeaH: born_yesterday: DeaH: So, long-story-short, you'll have to wait to see what happens with immigration before any smiting can happen.

So if I want to bring about the Rapture, I need to rape an immigrant?  It's never seemed so simple!

No, dear, you need to rape them all.


Wait a minute - I thought I just had to kill an Eskimo woman.
 
2013-07-23 10:45:57 AM  
i cant wait for all this same-sex marriage stuff to be over.

I think gay people deserve the right to be married, but I'm also sick of hearing about it all the time.
 
2013-07-23 10:46:24 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: gaspode: Keep trying, it wont change the fact that the supreme court WILL eventually rule that the day one state allowed it all states were compelled to at least recognise it as valid. It is one of the fundamental planks of your union and they all know that. The conservative judges just try to avoid having to rule because they know how the ruling will go.

Constitution of the United States of America,
ARTICLE IV SECTION 1.   Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

/Stick a fork in it - it's done.


Did you not read the sentence after the one you bolded?  Congress did prescribe the effect of marital records between the states, saying that the states didn't have to accept them if they chose not to.
 
2013-07-23 10:47:42 AM  
They forgot to tie tin cans to back of the Lear jet.
 
2013-07-23 10:52:07 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: hardinparamedic: You sodomites.

Ezekiel 16:49 - Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

/know he's trolling
//just a reminder


Satirical, actually. I'm an openly bisexual male. Not the self-hating type.
 
2013-07-23 10:52:29 AM  

Cataholic: demaL-demaL-yeH: gaspode: Keep trying, it wont change the fact that the supreme court WILL eventually rule that the day one state allowed it all states were compelled to at least recognise it as valid. It is one of the fundamental planks of your union and they all know that. The conservative judges just try to avoid having to rule because they know how the ruling will go.

Constitution of the United States of America,
ARTICLE IV SECTION 1.   Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

/Stick a fork in it - it's done.

Did you not read the sentence after the one you bolded?  Congress did prescribe the effect of marital records between the states, saying that the states didn't have to accept them if they chose not to.


They passed a very specific law, not a general law. They could have written the law to state that no state must recognize any marriage contract of any other state as a general law.
 
2013-07-23 10:56:51 AM  

nickerj1: SecretAgentWoman: Oldiron_79: The existing SCOTUS precident is that states do NOT have to recognize types of licenses they do not issue(a precident that has been set in concealed carry license cases) so this judge will likely have his ruling smacked down by appeals court or SCOTUS

I think you are missing the point - they DO recognize marriage licenses issued by other states. Just not teh gay ones. No different than saying they will honor all marriage licenses - except interracial ones. It's discrimination to accept one, and not the other.

He's correct in that it will change CC law.  But not in the way he is thinking.  Currently, some states have stipulations for accepting CC licenses.  For example, state A's license may be valid in state B, but only if the holder of the state A license is over 21 years of age.  Persons between 18-20 years of age, even with a state A license, can't legally carry in state B because state B prohibits CCing by anyone under 21.

Or:
State A only issues CC licenses to people who are 21+.
State B only issues CC licenses to people who are 21+ and pass proficiency exam.
State A and B sign reciprocity agreement to recognize everyone of either state who has a license from either state.
State A amends law to now issue CC licenses to people who are 18+.

State B then can't ban people between ages of 18-21 with a state A license from carrying.


Not necessarily. States are not barred from discriminating against a group ever... they just have to have a sufficiently good reason, with that "sufficiently good" level being determined by how questionable the definition of the group is. For example, a state can discriminate against convicted criminals by not letting them carry concealed weapons, even if another state allows it: convicts aren't a suspect class, and the state has a compelling interest in safety.
Here, gender and sexual orientation are at least quasi-suspect as classifications, and the state's only interest is "we hate gay people," and that's just not good enough.

Turning to age and concealed carry, age is not a suspect classification and certainly has a relationship to emotional immaturity, and preventing immature people from carrying concealed weapons is certainly within the state's reasonable interest in public safety. Accordingly, a state could certainly ban people from carrying even if they're licensed elsewhere based on age.
What they couldn't do is ban people from carrying based on race, gender, religion, political orientation, etc. (and maybe disability, though that's a little more arguable), or allow 18 year olds from the state to carry while not allowing 18 year olds from another state to carry.
 
2013-07-23 10:59:32 AM  

Utter Genius: Oh look, it's this non-issue again.

Sooooo important for gays to experience divorce.



There's a little more at stake for gays than getting to divorce each other. Visitation and legal rights if one is in the hospital, inheritances, adoptions, transfer of property, etc, basically, everything heterosexuals take for granted when they're married is at stake here. A friend of ours won't come visit NC because she's concerned if her or her partner have medical problems, for example, the other one would have no say on treatment, etc, while in this state.
 
2013-07-23 11:00:41 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: PanicMan: demaL-demaL-yeH: dickfreckle: I, too, saw the Berlin Wall come down, albeit I was a kid.

The Berlin Wall fell on the anniversary of Kristallnacht.
I was stationed in Germany.
On watch.
Talk about mixed feelings ...

That had to be a hell of a thing.  I was in Germany the summer before and after (Army brat).  I was only 8 or so at the time, but I definitely remember how big of a deal that was.

By the way, I'm Jewish.


I kind of assumed that from the Kristallnacht reference.  But yeah.  I can definitely see the mixed feelings.
 
2013-07-23 11:01:55 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dickfreckle: I, too, saw the Berlin Wall come down, albeit I was a kid.

The Berlin Wall fell on the anniversary of Kristallnacht.
I was stationed in Germany.
On watch.
Talk about mixed feelings ...


When I said "kid," I meant it, I didn't actually see it in person, but it defined my adolescence. The point I was trying to make is that the falling of The Wall was extremely symbolic for folks of my age, at the time.

Watching that on TV was a big deal. I don't wish to make any more comparisons aside from reaffirming that while gay liberty might not measure as high the Libertytm scale, it's still important.
 
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