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2013-07-23 08:59:24 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: Biological Ali: The fark is wrong with you?


Nothing, that I know of.


Look, I get that you made this account to troll Trayvon Martin threads - that shtick may have been mildly amusing for maybe a couple minutes or so. But coming into threads like this and pulling this kind of threadjack nonsense? That's pretty farking pathetic. Give it a rest.
 
2013-07-23 09:00:15 AM  
Ima gonna keep the turtle as my side-piece.
 
2013-07-23 09:04:29 AM  

revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.


Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR
 
2013-07-23 09:06:18 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Civil rights should never be put to a vote.


Every civil rights in the history of any form of the US was put to a vote. Often by white male slave-holders.

To believe otherwise is a profound state of ignorance.
 
2013-07-23 09:08:44 AM  

duffblue: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR


This issue doesn't have the sheer worldwide impact of the fall of communism, but it's sure as sh*t very important. We're talking about the basic right to enjoy the benefits of the majority, and doing away with the cruel intentions of those who oppose it. In my book, and in Joe Biden's voice, it's a big f*cking deal.
 
2013-07-23 09:08:58 AM  
Slowly - rights are being restored to those whose rights were stolen. I'm sorry that it's taken so long my fabulous friends... If it's any consolation .. They're also working on the erosion of my rights.
 
2013-07-23 09:09:21 AM  

exatron: That's an equal protection violation, so the only thing getting smacked down will be Ohio's ban.


How the fed rules on equal protection is remarkably subjective. Why does a marriage license transfer, but not a gun permit, or a professional certification? It's not like anatomy or gravity is different between Pennsylvania and Ohio.
 
2013-07-23 09:09:23 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: exatron: we could just stop trying to vote and/or legislate people's civil rights away.


When you can get a majority of blacks to agree that homosexual marriage is a civil rights issue, I'll stop laughing.

/The Supreme Court didn't even equate homosexual marriage with civil rights


Loving v Virginia clearly established that marriage is a civil right.

And do you practice being this dense or is it a natural talent?
 
2013-07-23 09:11:25 AM  

duffblue: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR


Yeah, equal rights for all Americans IS on that scale.
 
2013-07-23 09:12:28 AM  

Kuroshin: Oregon has a long history of bigotry and being slow to allow equal rights. We were one of the slowest to desegregate, and our Jim Crow laws were right up there with the worst of 'em.


You must have really hated your black guy.
 
2013-07-23 09:13:04 AM  
It sure seems like it's a lot of work pulling these knuckle-dragging losers into the 21st century. If only we could just void the old government and all of its hideous rulings and legislations of the last 200 years and actually write a Constitution that specifically outlaws religion-based legislations and outlines everything the government is allowed to do and everything the government is completely forbidden from doing...

Oh wait, they did, and everyone in power has been ignoring the shiat out of it the whole time.


I would add maybe one provision forbidding a candidate or public servant from taking any gift, present, amenity, or accomodation which exceeds ten dollars in value from any person. Not even farking Christmas presents. Somehow there's this loophole which makes it possible for most of our Congressmen to make millions per year on hundreds of thousands of salary. I'm pretty sure 90 percent of it is open bribery, and we're doing nothing.
 
2013-07-23 09:13:07 AM  

Zeno-25: Since when did black people become the gatekeepers of all civil rights struggles in America?


1791.
 
2013-07-23 09:16:00 AM  
Ay oh.  Way to go, Ohio.
 
2013-07-23 09:16:12 AM  

dickfreckle: duffblue: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR

This issue doesn't have the sheer worldwide impact of the fall of communism, but it's sure as sh*t very important. We're talking about the basic right to enjoy the benefits of the majority, and doing away with the cruel intentions of those who oppose it. In my book, and in Joe Biden's voice, it's a big f*cking deal.


Also, I believe the original poster was making comparisons based upon the historic enormity of the issue at hand. I, too, saw the Berlin Wall come down, albeit I was a kid. But it was one of those things that define a generation. I'm hoping that allowing gays to enjoy basic liberties I take for granted will be something that happens before I die of lung cancer or liver disease. We're talking about a cultural milestone, here.
 
2013-07-23 09:16:44 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: duffblue: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR

Yeah, equal rights for all Americans IS on that scale.


You must be under 20 years old.
 
2013-07-23 09:19:01 AM  

Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?


I'm not a homophone, but:
1. Buzzfeed was the source for a legal newsflash?  Really?
2. The headline completely mischaracterizes the decision.

This decision has way more to do with state reciprocity agreements and differences between in-state resident laws versus out-of-state resident laws than it has to do with gay marriage.  It's still perfectly legal for a state to ban gay marriage, they just have to ban recognizing gay marriages from other states too, and it has to valid under their reciprocity agreement.

I may or may not agree with the decision based on some other factors.  For instance, if marriage reciprocity is done on the state level with an agreement between individual states, and the reciprocity agreement between Ohio and (whoever the state was here, CT?) does not prohibit Ohio from not recognizing a subset of married persons from CT, then I would think the judge ruled erroneously.

The judge's logic behind the historicalness is also batshiat retarded.  Here's his logic:

You let your neighbor come over to your backyard BBQ, knowing that smoking weed is acceptable within his house. But smoking weed in your house is not acceptable. Several months pass.  You then find out your neighbor now does crack and meth, and doing such is acceptable within his house.  You're forced to allow him to keep coming over to your backyard BBQ because you historically allowed him to when smoking weed within your house isn't acceptable.

Not the best analogy, and I hate using them, so:  because you historically accepted one (what you view as) morally wrong condition, you must accept all the morally wrong conditions?  That don't make no sense judge.
 
2013-07-23 09:19:30 AM  

This text is now purple: exatron: That's an equal protection violation, so the only thing getting smacked down will be Ohio's ban.

How the fed rules on equal protection is remarkably subjective. Why does a marriage license transfer, but not a gun permit, or a professional certification? It's not like anatomy or gravity is different between Pennsylvania and Ohio.


Marriage licenses don't transfer per se. The problem is that Ohio recognizes marriage licenses for heterosexual couples from other states, even if that marriage couldn't be performed within Ohio, but doesn't do the same for a gay couple's marriage license.

For example, it's legal for first cousins to marry in New York, but not Ohio, and Ohio will still recognize that marriage license.

Meanwhile, it's also legal for gay couples to marry in New York, but not in Ohio, yet Ohio won't recognize the gay couple's marriage. That arbitrary division is denying gay couples equal protection under the law, and was driven by animus against then.
 
2013-07-23 09:19:54 AM  

Oldiron_79: The existing SCOTUS precident is that states do NOT have to recognize types of licenses they do not issue(a precident that has been set in concealed carry license cases) so this judge will likely have his ruling smacked down by appeals court or SCOTUS


I think you are missing the point - they DO recognize marriage licenses issued by other states. Just not teh gay ones. No different than saying they will honor all marriage licenses - except interracial ones. It's discrimination to accept one, and not the other.
 
2013-07-23 09:20:34 AM  

duffblue: cameroncrazy1984: duffblue: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR

Yeah, equal rights for all Americans IS on that scale.

You must be under 20 years old.


Most people under 30 don't really remember the fall of the USSR.
 
2013-07-23 09:22:53 AM  

Oldiron_79: The existing SCOTUS precident is that states do NOT have to recognize types of licenses they do not issue(a precident that has been set in concealed carry license cases) so this judge will likely have his ruling smacked down by appeals court or SCOTUS


Ohio does issue marriage licenses though.

Predicting the supreme court will rule that any state that issues marriage licenses has to respect any other states marriage licenses but doesn't actually compel states to issue gay marriage licenses themselves.

On that note, I would love to see a state stop issuing marriage licenses altogether over this.
 
2013-07-23 09:22:56 AM  

dickfreckle: Smoking GNU: I've had a dream a few times where i was in hell. you know, the catholic version of hell and all that. Except i was one of the demons torturing people.
Those were the nights i didn't sleep any longer after waking up.

/probably need therapy, only can't afford it.

OK, Dean.

/not obscure
//and I hate my GF for getting me hooked on that show


Well, damn. I completely forgot about that story arch. Haven't seen that show in a while now.
 
2013-07-23 09:23:14 AM  
Oh look, it's this non-issue again.

Sooooo important for gays to experience divorce.
 
2013-07-23 09:23:24 AM  

duffblue: cameroncrazy1984: duffblue: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR

Yeah, equal rights for all Americans IS on that scale.

You must be under 20 years old.


Nope, I was 7 when the Soviet Union finally collapsed. This is bigger, because the Soviets were only a threat in the sense that they might have bankrupted us first.
 
2013-07-23 09:29:07 AM  

feckingmorons: IT is a TRO, there hasn't been any argument about it yet. This is not a big deal.


Preliminary injunction =/= TRO
 
2013-07-23 09:29:41 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: duffblue: cameroncrazy1984: duffblue: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR

Yeah, equal rights for all Americans IS on that scale.

You must be under 20 years old.

Nope, I was 7 when the Soviet Union finally collapsed. This is bigger, because the Soviets were only a threat in the sense that they might have bankrupted us first.


Oh, I guess all those wars and dead people aren't as important as a few gays having tacky weddings.
 
2013-07-23 09:30:50 AM  

exatron: Neighborhood Watch: exatron: we could just stop trying to vote and/or legislate people's civil rights away.


When you can get a majority of blacks to agree that homosexual marriage is a civil rights issue, I'll stop laughing.

/The Supreme Court didn't even equate homosexual marriage with civil rights

Loving v Virginia clearly established that marriage is a civil right.

And do you practice being this dense or is it a natural talent?


You're responding to an obvious troll account. Please stop that.
 
2013-07-23 09:31:56 AM  

Biological Ali: Neighborhood Watch: Biological Ali: The fark is wrong with you?


Nothing, that I know of.

Look, I get that you made this account to troll Trayvon Martin threads - that shtick may have been mildly amusing for maybe a couple minutes or so. But coming into threads like this and pulling this kind of threadjack nonsense? That's pretty farking pathetic. Give it a rest.


Good luck with that.  Asses gonna hat.
 
2013-07-23 09:32:09 AM  
Gimmick accounts should get IP permabanned.
 
2013-07-23 09:33:02 AM  

EnglishMan: cameroncrazy1984: duffblue: cameroncrazy1984: duffblue: revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.

Yes because this is on the same scale as the Fall of the USSR

Yeah, equal rights for all Americans IS on that scale.

You must be under 20 years old.

Nope, I was 7 when the Soviet Union finally collapsed. This is bigger, because the Soviets were only a threat in the sense that they might have bankrupted us first.

Oh, I guess all those wars and dead people aren't as important as a few gays having tacky weddings.


Wars over nothing? Yeah. They 100% aren't as important as living up to the concepts laid down by the Constitution.
 
2013-07-23 09:34:03 AM  

born_yesterday: Biological Ali: Neighborhood Watch: Biological Ali: The fark is wrong with you?


Nothing, that I know of.

Look, I get that you made this account to troll Trayvon Martin threads - that shtick may have been mildly amusing for maybe a couple minutes or so. But coming into threads like this and pulling this kind of threadjack nonsense? That's pretty farking pathetic. Give it a rest.

Good luck with that.  Asses gonna hat.


Douches gonna bag.
 
2013-07-23 09:34:55 AM  
The only reason govts got involved in "marriage anything" started with the 16th amendment. It's placing taxing structures based on marriage status. It figures that its all about money. Hey all you politicians and lawyers, just leave people alone.
 
2013-07-23 09:35:38 AM  
"Federal judge in Ohio rules that state bans on same sex marriage violate US Constitution"

No he didn't.  This does nothing to prevent states from banning gay marriage in their state.  HOWEVER, they must recognize marriages from other states, gay included.
 
2013-07-23 09:37:09 AM  

Belias: "Federal judge in Ohio rules that state bans on same sex marriage violate US Constitution"

No he didn't.  This does nothing to prevent states from banning gay marriage in their state.  HOWEVER, they must recognize marriages from other states, gay included.


Which has the effect of neutralizing a ban on gay marriage. The state just ends up losing out on that sweet sweet wedding spending.
 
2013-07-23 09:37:55 AM  

dickfreckle: I, too, saw the Berlin Wall come down, albeit I was a kid.


The Berlin Wall fell on the anniversary of Kristallnacht.
I was stationed in Germany.
On watch.
Talk about mixed feelings ...
 
2013-07-23 09:39:23 AM  

dr_blasto: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 277x277]
Bigotry, intolerance, prejudice, and social "conservatism" always lose.

Always.

It just takes too long.


Golly, then you could to full progressive like Pol Pot did. Didn't he turn Cambodia into a progressive paradise? You can either have "too long" or you can have a bloodbath that ends up giving you something no better (and possibly worse) than what you started with. That's how humans work. Don't like it? Opt out of society, altogether and live as a hermit.
 
2013-07-23 09:40:29 AM  

Silly_Sot: Golly, then you could to full progressive like Pol Pot did. Didn't he turn Cambodia into a progressive paradise?


I live with my mom
 
2013-07-23 09:41:13 AM  

SecretAgentWoman: Oldiron_79: The existing SCOTUS precident is that states do NOT have to recognize types of licenses they do not issue(a precident that has been set in concealed carry license cases) so this judge will likely have his ruling smacked down by appeals court or SCOTUS

I think you are missing the point - they DO recognize marriage licenses issued by other states. Just not teh gay ones. No different than saying they will honor all marriage licenses - except interracial ones. It's discrimination to accept one, and not the other.


He's correct in that it will change CC law.  But not in the way he is thinking.  Currently, some states have stipulations for accepting CC licenses.  For example, state A's license may be valid in state B, but only if the holder of the state A license is over 21 years of age.  Persons between 18-20 years of age, even with a state A license, can't legally carry in state B because state B prohibits CCing by anyone under 21.

Or:
State A only issues CC licenses to people who are 21+.
State B only issues CC licenses to people who are 21+ and pass proficiency exam.
State A and B sign reciprocity agreement to recognize everyone of either state who has a license from either state.
State A amends law to now issue CC licenses to people who are 18+.

State B then can't ban people between ages of 18-21 with a state A license from carrying.
 
2013-07-23 09:42:30 AM  
If it wasn't for the same sex marriage bans all the conservatives wouldn't be able to control themselves and would have harems of gay men!
 
2013-07-23 09:42:50 AM  

This text is now purple: exatron: That's an equal protection violation, so the only thing getting smacked down will be Ohio's ban.

How the fed rules on equal protection is remarkably subjective. Why does a marriage license transfer, but not a gun permit, or a professional certification? It's not like anatomy or gravity is different between Pennsylvania and Ohio.


Your point that it is different for different things does not discount that marriage is a contract that does fall under equal protection.Right now, the minimum age to marry in Michigan is 18. The minimum age to marry in Mississippi is 21. Yet, two 18-year-olds who marry in Michigan will have their marriage recognized in Mississippi if they move their before their 21st birthdays. Why should this be different if the issue is gender, not age?
 
2013-07-23 09:42:54 AM  

jso2897: Gimmick accounts should get IP permabanned.


I was once on a much smaller, focused messaging board with an extended group of friends.  Anytime someone tried to troll with an alt, the moderator would out them immediately.  "YerMomma is posting from the same IP as BillJohnson".  Put an end to that shiat real quick.  It was even more fun that we could publicly shame the idiot afterwards.

My favorite FARK anecdote (don't know if it's true, gotta believe the poster when they said a mod confirmed this at a FARK party), is that FARK has people argue with their own alts in order to spur debate on an issue.  That's some farked up shiat right there.

Oh, and hurray Maryland!  For standing up and voting for marriage equality in this past election!  Next up:  medical marijuana!
 
2013-07-23 09:45:47 AM  

tkwasny: The only reason govts got involved in "marriage anything" started with the 16th amendment. It's placing taxing structures based on marriage status. It figures that its all about money. Hey all you politicians and lawyers, just leave people alone.


Taxation is only one of thirteen major categories of benefits and privileges extended based on marital status.

Other benefits include not having to testify against your spouse in a court of law, access to military housing and commissary privileges when your spouse is on active duty, eligibility for grants, loans, disaster relief, and other areas where combined married income is a factor... the list goes on.
 
2013-07-23 09:46:59 AM  

Rhino_man: davidphogan: pootsie: If you are in favor of same-sex marriage, watch this video about the couple in this lawsuit.

But be sure to have the hankies handy

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130714/NEWS10/307140009/To-get- ma rried-they-left-Ohio?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

How the fark can anyone argue against letting them be married?  I mean, what the fark is wrong with people?

Jesus.
Does that answer your question?


Because the following ideas are EVIL and must be eradicated:

Love your neighbor as yourself.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
Sell all you have and give it to the poor.
As you judge, so shall you be judged.
Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.


Yes, those, and many other similar sentiments are the most evil things imaginable.
 
2013-07-23 09:47:08 AM  

born_yesterday: jso2897: Gimmick accounts should get IP permabanned.

I was once on a much smaller, focused messaging board with an extended group of friends.  Anytime someone tried to troll with an alt, the moderator would out them immediately.  "YerMomma is posting from the same IP as BillJohnson".  Put an end to that shiat real quick.  It was even more fun that we could publicly shame the idiot afterwards.

My favorite FARK anecdote (don't know if it's true, gotta believe the poster when they said a mod confirmed this at a FARK party), is that FARK has people argue with their own alts in order to spur debate on an issue.  That's some farked up shiat right there.

Oh, and hurray Maryland!  For standing up and voting for marriage equality in this past election!  Next up:  medical marijuana!


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-23 09:48:02 AM  
Forcing states that do not allow gay marriage to recognize those marriages when preformed in states where they are allowed was the obvious next step in the march towards equal rights.

I'm kind of surprised that the lawsuit got underway so quickly though. Somebody was on the ball.

However, selecting the people who become the basis of lawsuits destined for the Supreme Court is important, and these guys certainly put a good face on the struggle.

If you study the history of the fight for Civil Rights for blacks in the court system, you'll see that things were accomplished in the same piecemeal manner, winning many decisions over time and not some big decision that happened all at once.
 
2013-07-23 09:48:46 AM  

Fart_Machine: Silly_Sot: Golly, then you could to full progressive like Pol Pot did. Didn't he turn Cambodia into a progressive paradise?

I live with my mom


Tell me what you think once you move out of mommy's basement and learn about the real world. In the real world, social change takes time. The alternative is mass murder and ending up no better than you started. Disagree, please show how Pol Pot actually did create a paradise.
 
2013-07-23 09:51:14 AM  
Good, now they can have a Flintstones.
 
2013-07-23 09:51:28 AM  

Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?


This being Fark, I assume there's always a transgenders thread going on somewhere.
 
2013-07-23 09:51:41 AM  

Silly_Sot: Fart_Machine: Silly_Sot: Golly, then you could to full progressive like Pol Pot did. Didn't he turn Cambodia into a progressive paradise?

I live with my mom

Tell me what you think once you move out of mommy's basement and learn about the real world. In the real world, social change takes time. The alternative is mass murder and ending up no better than you started. Disagree, please show how Pol Pot actually did create a paradise.


This is some of the laziest trolling I've seen all month.
 
2013-07-23 09:51:45 AM  
Actually, these pro-same-sex-marriage rulings are kind of starting to piss me off. I'm still waiting on the end of days I was promised by conservatives and religious nuts regarding the FIRST ruling so many years ago.

Thirteen states and still no doomsday. WTF people? Where's our modern Sodom-smiting?
 
2013-07-23 09:52:10 AM  

jso2897: Gimmick accounts should get IP permabanned.


Crap. Because this is an alt, and the original account's password was forgotten long ago.
 
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