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2013-07-23 03:36:18 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: they'll pick up on this after their moms wake them up up for breakfast.

they get done masturbating, because sex is evil (but in that super-secret way so Jeebus can't see, because it's also evil and stuff.)

That raises an interesting question.  Is masturbation also "sodomy" or does it have to involve another person to be "sodomy"?

/Proud sodomite either way.
 
2013-07-23 03:37:30 AM

rynthetyn: ciberido: Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?

There was one today or yesterday about a a pair of transseuxals who are dating or something.  I've been sitting that one out because of all the crap about Zimmerman, then the rape victim in Dubai, and then Laramie and now this.  But I'm sure the derptarians have been busy there, if you have the stomach for it.

Laramie? Are people still derping about Matthew Shepard?


Story
Fark thread.

It's about a play about the event, but yes, it concerns Shepard's death.  the story is worth reading if only for the quote from the principal.
 
2013-07-23 03:37:30 AM
Am I the only one that's tired of hearing about gay marriage and abortion and womens rights, not because they aren't worthy, but they distract us from taking back the 30% of GDP that's being bogarted by the banking classes.  It's wrose than people think when you consider that economic growth has been sub par since we allowed the finance and insurance 'industries' to reap and pillage.
 
2013-07-23 03:41:09 AM

ambassador_ahab: tinfoil-hat maggie: they'll pick up on this after their moms wake them up up for breakfast. they get done masturbating, because sex is evil (but in that super-secret way so Jeebus can't see, because it's also evil and stuff.)

That raises an interesting question.  Is masturbation also "sodomy" or does it have to involve another person to be "sodomy"?

/Proud sodomite either way.


If you want Biblical terms for sex acts, the correct term for masturbation is "onanism."
 
2013-07-23 03:41:15 AM

gibbon1: Am I the only one that's tired of hearing about gay marriage and abortion and womens rights, not because they aren't worthy, but they distract us from taking back the 30% of GDP that's being bogarted by the banking classes.  It's wrose than people think when you consider that economic growth has been sub par since we allowed the finance and insurance 'industries' to reap and pillage.


Mmmkay, financial concerns are important too, but that's not what this particular article is about.  I mean, all these issues are happening at the same time, so they're all relevant.
 
2013-07-23 03:43:10 AM

ciberido: If you want Biblical terms for sex acts, the correct term for masturbation is


Ok, but is "onanism" a form of sodomy, or is it a whole separate thing?

Question 2:  If "spilling your seed" is against biblical law, then is it ok for women to have at it since their "seed" doesn't get spilled, per se?
 
2013-07-23 03:51:33 AM

ciberido: rynthetyn: ciberido: Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?

There was one today or yesterday about a a pair of transseuxals who are dating or something.  I've been sitting that one out because of all the crap about Zimmerman, then the rape victim in Dubai, and then Laramie and now this.  But I'm sure the derptarians have been busy there, if you have the stomach for it.

Laramie? Are people still derping about Matthew Shepard?

Story
Fark thread.

It's about a play about the event, but yes, it concerns Shepard's death.  the story is worth reading if only for the quote from the principal.


Geez, it's been more than a decade and a half since his murder and people are still biatching about the play? And how moronic can the principle be to use that metaphor?
 
2013-07-23 03:52:17 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?

There was one today or yesterday about a a pair of transseuxals who are dating or something.  I've been sitting that one out because of all the crap about Zimmerman, then the rape victim in Dubai, and then Laramie and now this.  But I'm sure the derptarians have been busy there, if you have the stomach for it.

Word, they got their fodder for the day, they'll pick up on this after their moms wake them up up for breakfast.


Thanks you guys. I didn't have the stomach for digging through the threads to find the bigots. Thought I'd see some of them here but it's all rainbows.
 
2013-07-23 03:56:07 AM
Looks like the Supreme Court will have another one to deal with next term.
 
2013-07-23 04:02:00 AM

ambassador_ahab: ciberido: If you want Biblical terms for sex acts, the correct term for masturbation is

Ok, but is "onanism" a form of sodomy, or is it a whole separate thing?

Question 2:  If "spilling your seed" is against biblical law, then is it ok for women to have at it since their "seed" doesn't get spilled, per se?


Dammit. No.
Onan had a responsibility to give his brother an heir. It's called Levirate marriage.
Instead, he had his fun with the widow, but pulled out, spilling his seed on the ground.
Because of that, he was struck dead.
Onanism is coitus interruptus.
Male masturbation? Take a shower, wash any affected clothing and bedding, and wait for sunset.
Sexytime? Take a shower together, wash any affected clothing and bedding, and watch the sun go down.
/Bonus: Nobody sleeps on the wet spot.
 
2013-07-23 04:02:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: Rwa2play: dr_blasto: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 277x277]
Bigotry, intolerance, prejudice, and social "conservatism" always lose.

Always.

It just takes too long.

Much too long.

One person's lifetime? Holy crap, Loving v. Virginia has been in MY lifetime, how much faster can social mores change? Given the glacial pace of the court system, this is like watching one of those time-lapse films of a star exploding or something. I mean, I understand that people think "yesterday" would be much too late for this kind of thing to happen; but honestly, things have to take SOME time.


I was just looking at Wikipedia's timeline of LGBT history. When I was born in 1980, you could literally count the number of openly gay elected officials on one hand. Virtually no one of any import was out back then and we were still six years away from the Supreme Court finding Georgia's sodomy laws constitutional in Bowers v. Hardwick. There were no openly gay federal judges until I was 14.

We may very well make it from Stonewall to complete equality in under 50 years, which is a blink of an eye in the timelines of massive social change.
 
2013-07-23 04:07:05 AM

Cyberluddite: The only reason this judge ruled that bans on same-sex marriage violate the Constitution is that bans on same-sex marriage obviously violate the Constitution. There is really no viable argument to the contrary, and I defy anybody to come up with one.


JESUS
 
2013-07-23 04:11:26 AM

rynthetyn: Gyrfalcon: Rwa2play: dr_blasto: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 277x277]
Bigotry, intolerance, prejudice, and social "conservatism" always lose.

Always.

It just takes too long.

Much too long.

One person's lifetime? Holy crap, Loving v. Virginia has been in MY lifetime, how much faster can social mores change? Given the glacial pace of the court system, this is like watching one of those time-lapse films of a star exploding or something. I mean, I understand that people think "yesterday" would be much too late for this kind of thing to happen; but honestly, things have to take SOME time.

I was just looking at Wikipedia's timeline of LGBT history. When I was born in 1980, you could literally count the number of openly gay elected officials on one hand. Virtually no one of any import was out back then and we were still six years away from the Supreme Court finding Georgia's sodomy laws constitutional in Bowers v. Hardwick. There were no openly gay federal judges until I was 14.

We may very well make it from Stonewall to complete equality in under 50 years, which is a blink of an eye in the timelines of massive social change.


I know I said it in another thread but yea, even though we have a long way to go we have come so far in such a (relatively)short time it is amazing.
 
2013-07-23 04:14:08 AM

bk3k: Cyberluddite: The only reason this judge ruled that bans on same-sex marriage violate the Constitution is that bans on same-sex marriage obviously violate the Constitution. There is really no viable argument to the contrary, and I defy anybody to come up with one.

JESUS


Oh,, now I'm hoping that was a joke but well if not please describe the passages where Jesus talks about such things : )
 
2013-07-23 04:17:22 AM

pxlboy: hardinparamedic: You sodomites. Don't you know this is just ANOTHER example of unconstitutional activist judicial law making that is sweeping our country since ZEROBAMA got into office? If we start becoming accepting of the homogay, another 9/11 is JUST AROUND THE CORNER as punishment from God for rejecting his founding principles of the United States.

You people should ALL BE ASHAMED that you have turned your backs on the one, true loving God which brought you into this world, and have embraced sinful lifestyle choices such as this. We should not encourage these mentally ill people to live in their sinful delusions!

Not sure if satire or trolling...


Honestly neither am I.  It is funny how some people's honest opinions can be mistaken for the Jester's performance art.
 
2013-07-23 04:17:48 AM

Oldiron_79: The existing SCOTUS precident is that states do NOT have to recognize types of licenses they do not issue(a precident that has been set in concealed carry license cases) so this judge will likely have his ruling smacked down by appeals court or SCOTUS


The problem is Ohio only recognizes certain marriage licenses performed elsewhere, like between first cousins. That's an equal protection violation, so the only thing getting smacked down will be Ohio's ban.
 
2013-07-23 04:18:51 AM

rynthetyn: As far as the brief I worked on goes, one of the main focuses was on how the inability of their parents to marry is harmful to the children of LGBT parents. That was one of the things that Kennedy touched on in the Windsor opinion (and a point that Scalia flipped out on in his dissent). There's no real way of knowing whether that brief helped sway Kennedy or not, but who knows, maybe it had some small part to play in convincing Kennedy that DOMA hurt children by delegitimizing their families. The brief I worked on was the only one that specifically focused on that issue, but I still can't wrap my head around the possibility that something I worked on might have had even the smallest bit of influence in a major constitutional case.


... especially since the premise is so ludicrous!
 
2013-07-23 04:19:00 AM

gibbon1: Am I the only one that's tired of hearing about gay marriage and abortion and womens rights, not because they aren't worthy, but they distract us from taking back the 30% of GDP that's being bogarted by the banking classes.  It's wrose than people think when you consider that economic growth has been sub par since we allowed the finance and insurance 'industries' to reap and pillage.


Monkey, I have a coworker who spewed crap like this prior to the 2012 election. He is a republican. After going off on how liberals distract the people from important economics issues by bringing up all the gay rights and abortion shiat I asked him, "so republicans should give in to the liberals on social issues and get more votes so they can win and fix the economy?"

His reply was 'of course not and then some trailing off'.

You say they are worthy, but yet you want them cast aside as issues? You contradict yourself, just like my coworker. What he and you mean is 'why can't everyone do what I want on social issues so we only get divided on this one area' and frankly that is ridiculous in a representative democracy.
 
2013-07-23 04:19:00 AM
Good.  How many more states are there to go?
 
2013-07-23 04:20:36 AM
Seriously, what is wrong with the US? The sooner it goes full Detroit, the better. Then they can reset and start over.
 
2013-07-23 04:24:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: Gyrfalcon: Rwa2play: dr_blasto: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 277x277]
Bigotry, intolerance, prejudice, and social "conservatism" always lose.

Always.

It just takes too long.

Much too long.

One person's lifetime? Holy crap, Loving v. Virginia has been in MY lifetime, how much faster can social mores change? Given the glacial pace of the court system, this is like watching one of those time-lapse films of a star exploding or something. I mean, I understand that people think "yesterday" would be much too late for this kind of thing to happen; but honestly, things have to take SOME time.

I was just looking at Wikipedia's timeline of LGBT history. When I was born in 1980, you could literally count the number of openly gay elected officials on one hand. Virtually no one of any import was out back then and we were still six years away from the Supreme Court finding Georgia's sodomy laws constitutional in Bowers v. Hardwick. There were no openly gay federal judges until I was 14.

We may very well make it from Stonewall to complete equality in under 50 years, which is a blink of an eye in the timelines of massive social change.

I know I said it in another thread but yea, even though we have a long way to go we have come so far in such a (relatively)short time it is amazing.



It's crazy thinking of all the things I take for granted today that teenage me would have never thought possible if I'd have realized I was gay back then.
 
2013-07-23 04:35:32 AM

rynthetyn: It's crazy thinking of all the things I take for granted today that teenage me would have never thought possible if I'd have realized I was gay back then.


We've come along way, that's for sure.
/Yea, I almost said "baby" to mimic the old Virginia Slim ads but I didn't wanna sound patronizing.
 
2013-07-23 04:35:48 AM
oh ha ha ha  everything on Fark is so funny.  oh ha ha ha ha ha
 
2013-07-23 04:38:32 AM

pootsie: If you are in favor of same-sex marriage, watch this video about the couple in this lawsuit.

But be sure to have the hankies handy

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130714/NEWS10/307140009/To-get- ma rried-they-left-Ohio?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p



What these people went through to get what so many people take for granted is simultaneously disgusting and heroic.
 
2013-07-23 04:41:11 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: bk3k: Cyberluddite: The only reason this judge ruled that bans on same-sex marriage violate the Constitution is that bans on same-sex marriage obviously violate the Constitution. There is really no viable argument to the contrary, and I defy anybody to come up with one.

JESUS

Oh,, now I'm hoping that was a joke but well if not please describe the passages where Jesus talks about such things : )


Yes that is a joke, but you know some people will use "God's will" (being whatever suits them) as an argument to anything - and they instantly believe that they have decisively won.
 
2013-07-23 04:47:36 AM

Aarontology: Rwa2play: dr_blasto: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 277x277]
Bigotry, intolerance, prejudice, and social "conservatism" always lose.

Always.

It just takes too long.

Much too long.

I dunno. I get a sort of sadistic pleasure in watching the bigots' world crumble before their eyes after a long life of believing they were in the right, with them going to their deaths knowing they failed and their work was all for naught.


Of course the funnier part is that because they have put bigotry into the center of their religion, when their bigotry gets defeated it makes their version of God a loser too.
 
2013-07-23 05:20:51 AM
greece.greekreporter.com
 
2013-07-23 05:22:13 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: bk3k: Cyberluddite: The only reason this judge ruled that bans on same-sex marriage violate the Constitution is that bans on same-sex marriage obviously violate the Constitution. There is really no viable argument to the contrary, and I defy anybody to come up with one.

JESUS

Oh,, now I'm hoping that was a joke but well if not please describe the passages where Jesus talks about such things : )


Do you think these people give a wet shiat what Jesus said? Do you think they've bothered to even read their own holy book? Please.
 
2013-07-23 05:50:33 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: It's crazy thinking of all the things I take for granted today that teenage me would have never thought possible if I'd have realized I was gay back then.

We've come along way, that's for sure.
/Yea, I almost said "baby" to mimic the old Virginia Slim ads but I didn't wanna sound patronizing.


And there's still a long way* to go.
/I've yet to find a cover or duet by Alison Krause that I don't like.
//*לא־ישא גוי אל־גוי חרב ולא־ילמדו עוד מלחמה
 
2013-07-23 06:08:11 AM

ambassador_ahab: feckingmorons: IT is a TRO, there hasn't been any argument about it yet. This is not a big deal.

The judge wouldn't have granted the preliminary injunction (TRO) if he thought it was merit-less.


Unless he didn't want to be the one answering a question that will piss off absolutely someone to the point of murder.
 
2013-07-23 06:17:22 AM

Notabunny: So is my opposite-sex marriage now destroyed, or am I now gay, or am I supposed to marry a turtle?


all three, plus forced abortions
 
2013-07-23 06:20:25 AM

make me some tea: Subby, you couldn't even type out "same-sex marriage"? Really?


Butt-hurt?
 
2013-07-23 06:26:41 AM

Rhino_man: tinfoil-hat maggie: Rhino_man: tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, and this nothing to do with anything really but in a dream last night I had a judge telling me I could only be married if I had a child. I think I've read to much of this kind of stuff, Oh and some hit-man was trying to kill me before that, so ...
/I have weird dreams.

Funny, my dream last night was about waking up fully clothed in a bed with my (female) best friend, who told me "Be careful around loose women.  They'll get you in trouble."  Then a lesbian friend of mine who has the same first name as her walked in and... erm... got me in trouble, while the best friend kept giving me disapproving looks.  She finally said "... and Miss Rhino doesn't know" and then I woke up.

Strangest farking dream I've ever had.

Sure it was, it was just the strangest dream you remember : )

There was also the one two weeks ago about the Nazis invading North Carolina, and the Coast Guard was the only force available to fight them off... and some CG officer said "Hey, that guy's a Marine!  Get over here, Marine!"  and suddenly I was trying to bust people out of some Nazi POW hospital, and the Americans following me kept blowing our cover because they didn't speak German... and when we finally busted through the front door, we saw a Coast Guard cutter launching missiles at the hospital, so we ran away from the building without looking at the explosions.

Do you know who doesn't look at explosions?

Cool guys.

Cool guys don't look at explosions.



/Also, hooray for same sex marriage!


I used to have a reoccurring dream where I would be on a terrace high in the mountains with an old Chineese man. I would then go through the house and pass through a series of rooms that were rather like movie sets. One was a blackjack room with tuxedos and cocktail waitresses, one was a rough bar with random fighting. In each room there would be a person who I identified with.
 
2013-07-23 06:35:13 AM

TheDarkSaintOfGin: Notabunny: So is my opposite-sex marriage now destroyed, or am I now gay, or am I supposed to marry a turtle?

all three, plus forced abortions


And become a Nazi-communist-islamo-black-supremacist running dog.
 
2013-07-23 06:51:22 AM
Good. Enjoy your first tentative steps into the 20th Century, Ohio... Wait'll you get to the 21st Century. It's wild, man.

No, but seriously, another domino is about to fall and that's very good news. The bigots and ideologues will continue to lose these battles and that makes me smile.
 
2013-07-23 06:53:11 AM

revrendjim: doglover: revrendjim: This is a big farking deal.

But it's canceled by the fact it's in Ohio.

Now, if this could happen in a real state....

I spent five years of my life in Ohio. Eighth grade through high school graduation. The fact that I left for the Army two weeks later and have never again set foot in the state again means something.


I'll third you guys on the Ohio hate----but it IS a BFD.  Ohio (suck though it does) is a bellwhether and swing state---if this holds up in OH, the rest of the nation won't be far behind.
 
2013-07-23 06:56:29 AM
Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution: "Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I dunno, seems pretty farking clear to me.
 
2013-07-23 06:58:54 AM

HMS_Blinkin: revrendjim: doglover: revrendjim: This is a big farking deal.

But it's canceled by the fact it's in Ohio.

Now, if this could happen in a real state....

I spent five years of my life in Ohio. Eighth grade through high school graduation. The fact that I left for the Army two weeks later and have never again set foot in the state again means something.

I'll third you guys on the Ohio hate----but it IS a BFD.  Ohio (suck though it does) is a bellwhether and swing state---if this holds up in OH, the rest of the nation won't be far behind.


C'mon, Ohio is so bad, it leads the nation in natives who wanted out so bad they escaped into space.
 
2013-07-23 07:04:09 AM
hubiestubert:  if it was legal in the state it was performed in, it's legal in your state.


Except that's not true.  This one(1) judge says it's true for Ohio, but that's not what the Supreme Court said.

This will likely go back to the Supreme Court... again.  Ohio doesn't want this.
 
2013-07-23 07:05:59 AM
The decision was good. Calling out Scalia was great.

State's rights: we're taking it back.
 
2013-07-23 07:07:05 AM
It seems that most people here didn't read tfa.
 
2013-07-23 07:07:35 AM

Neighborhood Watch: hubiestubert:  if it was legal in the state it was performed in, it's legal in your state.


Except that's not true.  This one(1) judge says it's true for Ohio, but that's not what the Supreme Court said.

This will likely go back to the Supreme Court... again.  Ohio doesn't want this.


Keep trying, it wont change the fact that the supreme court WILL eventually rule that the day one state allowed it all states were compelled to at least recognise it as valid. It is one of the fundamental planks of your union and they all know that. The conservative judges just try to avoid having to rule because they know how the ruling will go.
 
2013-07-23 07:11:58 AM

Cyberluddite: The only reason this judge ruled that bans on same-sex marriage violate the Constitution is that bans on same-sex marriage obviously violate the Constitution. There is really no viable argument to the contrary, and I defy anybody to come up with one.


That may have been a joke, but it isn't even close to what he said...

Note: "Ohio's bans on recognizing same-sex couples' out-of-state marriages, while acknowledging its recognition of the marriages of opposite-sex couples who would not be allowed to marry in Ohio.."

So what he said was that Ohio has some categories of folks that aren't allowed to be married in Ohio.  However, Ohio will recognize those marriages if they were legal in the jurisdiction where they were performed.  Ohio tried to make an exception for same sex marriages, treating them differently than other marriages, and that is why this will not stand.  So if Ohio had refused to recognize 1st cousin opposite sex marriages performed in Kentucky (I don't know, just reaching for an example) then there would have to be a different justification.
 
2013-07-23 07:12:33 AM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-07-23 07:13:18 AM

Jenna Tellya: Arigato godzaimas, Ohio!


I see what you did there.
 
2013-07-23 07:13:19 AM

Neighborhood Watch: hubiestubert:  if it was legal in the state it was performed in, it's legal in your state.


Except that's not true.  This one(1) judge says it's true for Ohio, but that's not what the Supreme Court said.
This will likely go back to the Supreme Court... again.  Ohio doesn't want this.


No. A minority of very vocal bigots don't want this, very loudly. And a few rich guys (and organizations) from outside of Ohio don't want this. But the actual majority of people in Ohio are OK with gay marriage.

/5 guys screaming are louder than 100 people reading the paper.
 
2013-07-23 07:14:41 AM

gaspode: Keep trying, it wont change the fact that the supreme court WILL eventually rule that the day one state allowed it all states were compelled to at least recognise it as valid. It is one of the fundamental planks of your union and they all know that. The conservative judges just try to avoid having to rule because they know how the ruling will go.


Constitution of the United States of America,
ARTICLE IV SECTION 1.   Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

/Stick a fork in it - it's done.
 
2013-07-23 07:16:03 AM

gaspode: the supreme court WILL eventually rule that the day one state allowed it all states were compelled to at least recognise it as valid.



I'd sure like to get a hold of that crystal ball you're using.  I need a winning lottery ticket!

Anyway, the Supreme Court has already ruled.  They said it was an individual state matter.  One lower court can't come in behind them and change that ruling.  That's not how it works, dude.  Did you even read TFA, or the Ohio AG's response?
 
2013-07-23 07:16:13 AM

SpdrJay: But why would a gay person want to live in Ohio anyway?


IIRC, Ohio contains the second- or third-largest gay community in the country.

The problem with Ohio is that it's small, dense pockets of sanity surrounded by a bazillion acres where corn and derp are grown.
 
2013-07-23 07:18:28 AM

Notabunny: So is my opposite-sex marriage now destroyed, or am I now gay, or am I supposed to marry a turtle?


Dude, 12 hours after the recent DOMA ruling, men in black suits arrived at my house and forcibly gay-married me to some guy named Bruce. And Bruce is a top. It's been a bad month for me.
 
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