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2013-07-23 02:38:02 AM  

revrendjim: doglover: revrendjim: This is a big farking deal.

But it's canceled by the fact it's in Ohio.

Now, if this could happen in a real state....

I spent five years of my life in Ohio. Eighth grade through high school graduation. The fact that I left for the Army two weeks later and have never again set foot in the state again means something.


Means you're still a POW in a Turkish prison?
 
2013-07-23 02:38:11 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: GloomCookie613: tinfoil-hat maggie: SpdrJay: But why would a gay person want to live in Ohio anyway?


/ewwwwww

The hope is we'll be able to live wherever we want in the states and have equal rights.

I hope to be around to see that day. Stories like this give me hope that I will. I'd like to be able to dance with the grooms at my best friend's wedding reception someday.

I think it'll be sooner than you think.  A few more crushing defeats for the GOP in elections and they'll realize that the average citizen in the US is far more socially liberal than they currently believe.  If they stop ostracizing their own party members who stand up for civil liberties there will really be nothing stopping the movement.


Never underestimate stupid people in large groups.
 
2013-07-23 02:38:38 AM  

Oldiron_79: The existing SCOTUS precident is that states do NOT have to recognize types of licenses they do not issue(a precident that has been set in concealed carry license cases) so this judge will likely have his ruling smacked down by appeals court or SCOTUS


No dude.

From how this was explained to me is that marriage licenses are covered under the full faith and credit clause because they are judicial records. The FF&C clause has been interpreted as meaning that all judicial records and judgements will be recognized by all states. This is still up to debate with gay marriage because some states constitutions only recognize marriage as a union between one man and one woman. But as for CCW permits, those aren't judicial records or judgements, they have been determined to be a matter of reciprocity were each individual state to make agreements on rather or not to recognize each others permits. Drivers licenses are actually a matter of reciprocity also
 
2013-07-23 02:38:47 AM  

GloomCookie613: tinfoil-hat maggie: SpdrJay: But why would a gay person want to live in Ohio anyway?


/ewwwwww

The hope is we'll be able to live wherever we want in the states and have equal rights.

I hope to be around to see that day. Stories like this give me hope that I will. I'd like to be able to dance with the grooms at my best friend's wedding reception someday.


I hope we do see it and soon I don't like this some states thing we we're supposed to be the United States, and well the current situation isn't tenable.
 
2013-07-23 02:38:55 AM  

Government Fromage: Does this mean I have to marry a man?


No, but it does mean you'll have to milk santorum from them, because you asked.
 
2013-07-23 02:39:22 AM  

Government Fromage: Does this mean I have to marry a man?


Yes, and also practice Sharia law and bathe your feet in a muslim footbath.
 
2013-07-23 02:41:42 AM  

twat_waffle: ambassador_ahab: It begins!!!  It starts with a muslim-kenyan-socialist-fascist dictator that was only elected by voter intimidation.

Then we have the Windsor case, and now other federal judges have to respect the Windsor case because of some weird-ass rule B. Hussein Obama made about "binding precedent" whatever the fark that means...and it's like the farking dominoes are finally falling.  Would G. Walker Bush have allowed the liberal tyrants at the Supreme Court to destroy marriage?!  NO!  He would have used his VETO power!

It's time for your come to Jesus moment, libtards.

Everyone knows that B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" HUSSEIN Superallah Obama used his time machine (powered with the stem cells of aborted white babies) to go back to the 12th Century and impersonate Henry II to insert the idea of binding precedent into the common law system. He even called it "stare decisis", which is probably heathen-turban-wearing-camel-jockey-brown-people-speak for "Force gay Nazi commie Muslim sharia law marriages on everyone".

Just study it out.


Errr... I'm gonna cite Poe's Law...
 
2013-07-23 02:42:29 AM  

Prof. Frink: revrendjim: doglover: revrendjim: This is a big farking deal.

But it's canceled by the fact it's in Ohio.

Now, if this could happen in a real state....

I spent five years of my life in Ohio. Eighth grade through high school graduation. The fact that I left for the Army two weeks later and have never again set foot in the state again means something.

Means you're still a POW in a Turkish prison?


Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
 
2013-07-23 02:46:57 AM  

Government Fromage: Does this mean I have to marry a man?


Yep.
And from now on, when he says, "Suck my dick", you better say, "You want me to lick your balls, Daddy?"

/Sorry, been watching The Shield again
//Best line in the whole show.
 
2013-07-23 02:49:11 AM  

pootsie: If you are in favor of same-sex marriage, watch this video about the couple in this lawsuit.

But be sure to have the hankies handy

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130714/NEWS10/307140009/To-get- ma rried-they-left-Ohio?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p


How the fark can anyone argue against letting them be married?  I mean, what the fark is wrong with people?
 
2013-07-23 02:51:20 AM  

alienated: rynthetyn: ambassador_ahab: alienated: Civil rights should never be put to a vote.

This is exactly what Judge Walker wrote in district court when it first struck down Prop. 8 in California.  That was the essence of his opinion:  marriage is a fundamental right, and you can't take those away with a vote.  Tyranny of the majority doesn't work in our country.

Yeah, but Judge Walker is a homo so his opinion shouldn't be allowed to matter. Or something like that. I'm a little rusty on my NOM talking points.

And i never did hear if your friend of the court paper made it in. i have no quick comeback to judge walker is a homo


As far as the brief I worked on goes, one of the main focuses was on how the inability of their parents to marry is harmful to the children of LGBT parents. That was one of the things that Kennedy touched on in the Windsor opinion (and a point that Scalia flipped out on in his dissent). There's no real way of knowing whether that brief helped sway Kennedy or not, but who knows, maybe it had some small part to play in convincing Kennedy that DOMA hurt children by delegitimizing their families. The brief I worked on was the only one that specifically focused on that issue, but I still can't wrap my head around the possibility that something I worked on might have had even the smallest bit of influence in a major constitutional case.
 
2013-07-23 02:55:21 AM  

rynthetyn: As far as the brief I worked on goes, one of the main focuses was on how the inability of their parents to marry is harmful to the children of LGBT parents. That was one of the things that Kennedy touched on in the Windsor opinion (and a point that Scalia flipped out on in his dissent). There's no real way of knowing whether that brief helped sway Kennedy or not, but who knows, maybe it had some small part to play in convincing Kennedy that DOMA hurt children by delegitimizing their families. The brief I worked on was the only one that specifically focused on that issue, but I still can't wrap my head around the possibility that something I worked on might have had even the smallest bit of influence in a major constitutional case.


Mayhaps. I would like to think that it did, and i never saw the final version. Cheers
 
2013-07-23 02:56:51 AM  
Oh, and this nothing to do with anything really but in a dream last night I had a judge telling me I could only be married if I had a child. I think I've read to much of this kind of stuff, Oh and some hit-man was trying to kill me before that, so ...
/I have weird dreams.
 
2013-07-23 02:57:27 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: GloomCookie613: tinfoil-hat maggie: SpdrJay: But why would a gay person want to live in Ohio anyway?


/ewwwwww

The hope is we'll be able to live wherever we want in the states and have equal rights.

I hope to be around to see that day. Stories like this give me hope that I will. I'd like to be able to dance with the grooms at my best friend's wedding reception someday.

I hope we do see it and soon I don't like this some states thing we we're supposed to be the United States, and well the current situation isn't tenable.


I don't see the patchwork solution lasting for very long. Even though Section 2 of DOMA is still in effect, tossing Section 3 while keeping Section 2 creates such a legal clusterfark that it's only a matter of time before Section 2 gets found unconstitutional as well. Once DOMA goes away altogether, we're ripe for a constitutional challenge of the whole shebang.
 
2013-07-23 02:58:53 AM  

davidphogan: How the fark can anyone argue against letting them be married?  I mean, what the fark is wrong with people?


Because Jeebus, AKA the standard modern argument for discrimination.
 
2013-07-23 03:01:46 AM  

revrendjim: This is not just another domino. This is a big farking deal. I love watching history happen. I watched the Berlin Wall come down. Now this.

Wipes away tear.


You know it feels good to be alive.
 
2013-07-23 03:01:51 AM  

TemperedEdge: davidphogan: How the fark can anyone argue against letting them be married?  I mean, what the fark is wrong with people?

Because Jeebus, AKA the standard modern argument for discrimination.


I figure the best proof that Jesus isn't real is that he hasn't come back to kick the ass of people who claim to be working on his behalf.
 
2013-07-23 03:02:29 AM  

davidphogan: I figure the best proof that Jesus isn't real is that he hasn't come back to kick the ass of people who claim to be working on his behalf.


I want to make a shirt out of that.
 
2013-07-23 03:04:50 AM  

alienated: rynthetyn: As far as the brief I worked on goes, one of the main focuses was on how the inability of their parents to marry is harmful to the children of LGBT parents. That was one of the things that Kennedy touched on in the Windsor opinion (and a point that Scalia flipped out on in his dissent). There's no real way of knowing whether that brief helped sway Kennedy or not, but who knows, maybe it had some small part to play in convincing Kennedy that DOMA hurt children by delegitimizing their families. The brief I worked on was the only one that specifically focused on that issue, but I still can't wrap my head around the possibility that something I worked on might have had even the smallest bit of influence in a major constitutional case.

Mayhaps. I would like to think that it did, and i never saw the final version. Cheers


If anybody's interested,  this is the brief I worked on. I was one of the coauthors on the Child Rights Project Survey that's cited heavily in section 3 of the brief.
 
2013-07-23 03:05:08 AM  

davidphogan: pootsie: If you are in favor of same-sex marriage, watch this video about the couple in this lawsuit.

But be sure to have the hankies handy

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130714/NEWS10/307140009/To-get- ma rried-they-left-Ohio?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

How the fark can anyone argue against letting them be married?  I mean, what the fark is wrong with people?


Jesus.
Does that answer your question?
 
2013-07-23 03:05:23 AM  

ambassador_ahab: davidphogan: I figure the best proof that Jesus isn't real is that he hasn't come back to kick the ass of people who claim to be working on his behalf.

I want to make a shirt out of that.


Jesus save me... from your followers.
 
2013-07-23 03:05:40 AM  
*scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?
 
2013-07-23 03:06:07 AM  

Rwa2play: dr_blasto: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 277x277]
Bigotry, intolerance, prejudice, and social "conservatism" always lose.

Always.

It just takes too long.

Much too long.


One person's lifetime? Holy crap, Loving v. Virginia has been in MY lifetime, how much faster can social mores change? Given the glacial pace of the court system, this is like watching one of those time-lapse films of a star exploding or something. I mean, I understand that people think "yesterday" would be much too late for this kind of thing to happen; but honestly, things have to take SOME time.
 
2013-07-23 03:07:07 AM  
No, you're a marriage.
 
2013-07-23 03:07:17 AM  

pootsie: If you are in favor of same-sex marriage, watch this video about the couple in this lawsuit.

But be sure to have the hankies handy

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130714/NEWS10/307140009/To-get- ma rried-they-left-Ohio?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p


What the hell is wrong with you?  Are you a major shareholder in Kleenex or something?
 
2013-07-23 03:08:04 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, and this nothing to do with anything really but in a dream last night I had a judge telling me I could only be married if I had a child. I think I've read to much of this kind of stuff, Oh and some hit-man was trying to kill me before that, so ...
/I have weird dreams.


Funny, my dream last night was about waking up fully clothed in a bed with my (female) best friend, who told me "Be careful around loose women.  They'll get you in trouble."  Then a lesbian friend of mine who has the same first name as her walked in and... erm... got me in trouble, while the best friend kept giving me disapproving looks.  She finally said "... and Miss Rhino doesn't know" and then I woke up.

Strangest farking dream I've ever had.
 
2013-07-23 03:09:05 AM  

Aarontology: Rwa2play: dr_blasto: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 277x277]
Bigotry, intolerance, prejudice, and social "conservatism" always lose.

Always.

It just takes too long.

Much too long.

I dunno. I get a sort of sadistic pleasure in watching the bigots' world crumble before their eyes after a long life of believing they were in the right, with them going to their deaths knowing they failed and their work was all for naught.


There's no profit in homophobia. (that sounds like it should be one of the Rules Of Acquisition).

Drug prohibition is the real money maker, which is why it will last.
 
2013-07-23 03:10:02 AM  

Notabunny: So is my opposite-sex marriage now destroyed, or am I now gay, or am I supposed to marry a turtle?


You're supposed to marry a GAY turtle, obviously.
 
2013-07-23 03:11:55 AM  

hardinparamedic: Notabunny: So is my opposite-sex marriage now destroyed, or am I now gay, or am I supposed to marry a turtle?

A cat is fine too.


Ok, fine, but for the love of God keep your filthy, perverted hands off the ducks.
 
2013-07-23 03:12:26 AM  
i44.tinypic.com

Now we make marriage
 
2013-07-23 03:12:29 AM  

Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?


TG thread at the bottom of the main page have no idea if it's still going haven't looked lately.
I think maybe the trolls gave up in this kind of thread?
/Granted there is the Laramie one below this but it only had a few, wtf moments.
 
2013-07-23 03:14:21 AM  

Zeppelininthesky: Cyberluddite: The only reason this judge ruled that bans on same-sex marriage violate the Constitution is that bans on same-sex marriage obviously violate the Constitution. There is really no viable argument to the contrary, and I defy anybody to come up with one.

Turtles and cats, apparently.


No, because then people would start giving birth to hybrid cat-turtles, and that path leads only to madness.

/curtles?
 
2013-07-23 03:14:50 AM  

Rhino_man: tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, and this nothing to do with anything really but in a dream last night I had a judge telling me I could only be married if I had a child. I think I've read to much of this kind of stuff, Oh and some hit-man was trying to kill me before that, so ...
/I have weird dreams.

Funny, my dream last night was about waking up fully clothed in a bed with my (female) best friend, who told me "Be careful around loose women.  They'll get you in trouble."  Then a lesbian friend of mine who has the same first name as her walked in and... erm... got me in trouble, while the best friend kept giving me disapproving looks.  She finally said "... and Miss Rhino doesn't know" and then I woke up.

Strangest farking dream I've ever had.


Sure it was, it was just the strangest dream you remember : )
 
2013-07-23 03:16:05 AM  

ongbok: The FF&C clause has been interpreted as meaning that all judicial records and judgements will be recognized by all states.

"

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof. "

That is amazingly unambiguous really. no-one could rationally describe a state marriage registration as not being a 'public act, record or judicial proceeding'.

While that clause does not make a state perform marriages it does make it recognise them. How someone can be a hardcore defender of the exact language of one amendment and yet not want to not accept this clause of the main constitution is unfathomable.
 
2013-07-23 03:16:07 AM  

alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: Mad_Radhu: FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 277x277]
Bigotry, intolerance, prejudice, and social "conservatism" always lose.

Always.

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

Civil rights should never be put to a vote.

what would repeating bears talk about ? a bad bug season or not enough flowers to eat ?


Their own arms, and their right to leave them undressed?
 
2013-07-23 03:18:34 AM  
Was the HERO tag in the can?
 
2013-07-23 03:18:40 AM  

ambassador_ahab: Zeppelininthesky: Too bad the majority are making life harder by trying to force their beliefs on the rest of the nation.

Exactly.  If you're in a straight marriage and want to stay in it, nobody is going to force you to get a divorce and then go get gay married.


Sure.  That's what the Gay Turtle Mafia WANTS you to think.  Wake up, sheeple!

/summon xkcd
 
2013-07-23 03:20:48 AM  
Tick tock, motherfarkers.
 
2013-07-23 03:21:23 AM  
Rachel Maddow is going to be insufferable tomorrow.
 
2013-07-23 03:21:45 AM  

twat_waffle: ambassador_ahab: It begins!!!  It starts with a muslim-kenyan-socialist-fascist dictator that was only elected by voter intimidation.

Then we have the Windsor case, and now other federal judges have to respect the Windsor case because of some weird-ass rule B. Hussein Obama made about "binding precedent" whatever the fark that means...and it's like the farking dominoes are finally falling.  Would G. Walker Bush have allowed the liberal tyrants at the Supreme Court to destroy marriage?!  NO!  He would have used his VETO power!

It's time for your come to Jesus moment, libtards.

Everyone knows that B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" HUSSEIN Superallah Obama used his time machine (powered with the stem cells of aborted white babies) to go back to the 12th Century and impersonate Henry II to insert the idea of binding precedent into the common law system. He even called it "stare decisis", which is probably heathen-turban-wearing-camel-jockey-brown-people-speak for "Force gay Nazi commie Muslim sharia law marriages on everyone".


api.ning.com
What gay Nazi commie Muslim sharia law marriage might look like.
 
2013-07-23 03:23:12 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Rhino_man: tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, and this nothing to do with anything really but in a dream last night I had a judge telling me I could only be married if I had a child. I think I've read to much of this kind of stuff, Oh and some hit-man was trying to kill me before that, so ...
/I have weird dreams.

Funny, my dream last night was about waking up fully clothed in a bed with my (female) best friend, who told me "Be careful around loose women.  They'll get you in trouble."  Then a lesbian friend of mine who has the same first name as her walked in and... erm... got me in trouble, while the best friend kept giving me disapproving looks.  She finally said "... and Miss Rhino doesn't know" and then I woke up.

Strangest farking dream I've ever had.

Sure it was, it was just the strangest dream you remember : )


There was also the one two weeks ago about the Nazis invading North Carolina, and the Coast Guard was the only force available to fight them off... and some CG officer said "Hey, that guy's a Marine!  Get over here, Marine!"  and suddenly I was trying to bust people out of some Nazi POW hospital, and the Americans following me kept blowing our cover because they didn't speak German... and when we finally busted through the front door, we saw a Coast Guard cutter launching missiles at the hospital, so we ran away from the building without looking at the explosions.

Do you know who doesn't look at explosions?

Cool guys.

Cool guys don't look at explosions.

th01.deviantart.net

/Also, hooray for same sex marriage!
 
2013-07-23 03:23:31 AM  

rynthetyn: I don't see the patchwork solution lasting for very long. Even though Section 2 of DOMA is still in effect, tossing Section 3 while keeping Section 2 creates such a legal clusterfark that it's only a matter of time before Section 2 gets found unconstitutional as well. Once DOMA goes away altogether, we're ripe for a constitutional challenge of the whole shebang.


ryn, I have full faith that you'll be loving the outcome of this.
It's inevitable.
 
2013-07-23 03:24:22 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Rachel Maddow is going to be insufferable awesome tomorrow.


FTFY.
 
2013-07-23 03:26:14 AM  

Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?


There was one today or yesterday about a a pair of transseuxals who are dating or something.  I've been sitting that one out because of all the crap about Zimmerman, then the rape victim in Dubai, and then Laramie and now this.  But I'm sure the derptarians have been busy there, if you have the stomach for it.
 
2013-07-23 03:28:16 AM  
"Federal judge in Ohio rules that state bans on same sex marriage violate US Constitution"


What's a "Constitution"?

Sounds antiquated. Like something quaint, mildly interesting and maybe kinda cute, but totally irrelevant.

This is 2013, after all.
 
2013-07-23 03:29:52 AM  

ciberido: Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?

There was one today or yesterday about a a pair of transseuxals who are dating or something.  I've been sitting that one out because of all the crap about Zimmerman, then the rape victim in Dubai, and then Laramie and now this.  But I'm sure the derptarians have been busy there, if you have the stomach for it.


Word, they got their fodder for the day, they'll pick up on this after their moms wake them up up for breakfast.
 
2013-07-23 03:30:12 AM  

ciberido: Ilmarinen: *scans thread*

Hey, not a single purple 5 (for homophobes) post. Don't they feel like chiming in or is there a transgenders thread going on somewhere that I don't know about?

There was one today or yesterday about a a pair of transseuxals who are dating or something.  I've been sitting that one out because of all the crap about Zimmerman, then the rape victim in Dubai, and then Laramie and now this.  But I'm sure the derptarians have been busy there, if you have the stomach for it.


Laramie? Are people still derping about Matthew Shepard?
 
2013-07-23 03:32:08 AM  

Oldiron_79: The existing SCOTUS precident is that states do NOT have to recognize types of licenses they do not issue(a precident that has been set in concealed carry license cases) so this judge will likely have his ruling smacked down by appeals court or SCOTUS


Both states issue marriage licenses, do they not?
 
2013-07-23 03:33:36 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Word, they got their fodder for the day, they'll pick up on this after their moms wake them up up for breakfast.


Lulz.
 
2013-07-23 03:34:38 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, and this nothing to do with anything really but in a dream last night I had a judge telling me I could only be married if I had a child. I think I've read to much of this kind of stuff, Oh and some hit-man was trying to kill me before that, so ...
/I have weird dreams.


Mags,
That was a Fox comedy, but certainly nightmare material.
Hitman? Another Fox nightmare.
Here, have some nice chamomile tea.
This will turn out well. It may take some time, but it will turn out well.
 
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