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2013-07-22 08:24:11 PM  
It is time we renewed the ban on the US government performing assassinations. Once that capability has been created it is far to easy to abuse.

I highly doubt the US ever stopped performing assassinations. They simply got really good at misdirection and all that. Second, OOOOGA BOOOOOGA ARE YOU SCARED YET!!?!?!

Actually, I hate the whole NSA and DHS crap. Everything the DHS and the Patriot Act were designed to stop meant sh*t with the Boston Marathon bombing. Nothing changed, except less privacy. But I doubt drones are going to be nuking our neighborhoods randomly in the near future.

And for the soap box: I hate drones. I want war to be between people. I want the cost of war to be painful. I want it to hurt the wallet, the heart, the soul and the person. Why would I want that? Because war should never be taken lightly or declared haphazardly.
 
2013-07-22 08:29:49 PM  
Isn't that why you SHOULD keep your number?  I've had the same one for mumblemumble years, so wouldn't I be safer if they look it up and go "oh, that's MissFeasance, she's had that number for like a decade, she talks to her parents every night and occasionally orders pizza and texts her sister every 2 hours" than if I constantly get assigned a new one with either no identifying information or inaccurate information?

It seems more dangerous to constantly change your number than not.
 
2013-07-22 08:36:00 PM  
I finally found a clean number (no collection calls for other people) that I can remember. I am taking this number to my grave.
 
2013-07-22 08:37:06 PM  
I don't carry a cell phone, but the NSA would still have no problem finding me and blowing me away.

My family could never be that lucky.

/i keed
 
2013-07-22 08:40:01 PM  
Are you accusing me of leading terrorist cells in Afganistan, subby? You do realize that kind of implication is actionable slander, do you not?
 
2013-07-22 08:41:39 PM  
Meh, for average Joe American, if the US Gov wants you dead, it won't be that difficult.
 
2013-07-22 08:44:15 PM  
www.newyorker.com
Knows a little something about the dangers of cell phones.
 
2013-07-22 08:48:44 PM  
There are so many things wrong with this.  First off, if you just change your number, there are still records that you changed your number.  If the NSA hit up the cell phone carrier to find your number to track you, they would get the most current number and still find you.  They would almost certainly also get your old number and phone history, too. The only way it would work was if you changed your phone the minute after the NSA got it from the phone company, which is extremely unlikely to ever happen.

On the other side of things, the government is now 100% reliant on these gimmicky shortcuts to finding people instead of doing real police work.  It makes them sloppy and they accidentally go after the wrong people, but also they are in charge of finding terrorists.  If the ways to get around detection are as easy as just a.) using a burner instead of your main phone to do your terrorist stuff and b.) pulling the battery out of your phone instead of just turning it off, it's going to make it really easy to catch run of the mill people but anybody with a good plan is going to be invisible.
 
2013-07-22 08:50:17 PM  
makezineblog.files.wordpress.com

Just try and drone strike me now, biatches!
 
2013-07-22 08:57:33 PM  

miss diminutive: [makezineblog.files.wordpress.com image 500x375]

Just try and drone strike me now, biatches!


Not sure why I find that so amusing, but that's pretty damned amusing.
 
2013-07-22 08:58:21 PM  

Nadie_AZ: It is time we renewed the ban on the US government performing assassinations. Once that capability has been created it is far to easy to abuse.

I highly doubt the US ever stopped performing assassinations. They simply got really good at misdirection and all that. Second, OOOOGA BOOOOOGA ARE YOU SCARED YET!!?!?!

Actually, I hate the whole NSA and DHS crap. Everything the DHS and the Patriot Act were designed to stop meant sh*t with the Boston Marathon bombing. Nothing changed, except less privacy. But I doubt drones are going to be nuking our neighborhoods randomly in the near future.

And for the soap box: I hate drones. I want war to be between people. I want the cost of war to be painful. I want it to hurt the wallet, the heart, the soul and the person. Why would I want that? Because war should never be taken lightly or declared haphazardly.


I agree. Wars should be HARD--the theater they are fought in is where someone lives. Their shiat gets wrecked, their infrastructure is destroyed and their youth dead. If the aggressor country can just send their robots in, what's to stop them? We already proved, in Iraq and elsewhere, that Americans don't give two shiats about foreign casualties. If could eliminate the American casualties, half or more of the country seems like it would give a thumbs up to just about anything.
 
2013-07-22 09:08:25 PM  

dr_blasto: We already proved, in Iraq and elsewhere, that Americans don't give two shiats about foreign casualties. If could eliminate the American casualties, half or more of the country seems like it would give a thumbs up to just about anything


Most governments do not even care about their own casualties until they become politically inconvenient.  See: Vietnam.

The only thing that makes the US government accountable today are the serial numbers and stamping on the shrapnel of the guided missile that was shot up your ass.
 
2013-07-22 09:13:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: dr_blasto: We already proved, in Iraq and elsewhere, that Americans don't give two shiats about foreign casualties. If could eliminate the American casualties, half or more of the country seems like it would give a thumbs up to just about anything

Most governments do not even care about their own casualties until they become politically inconvenient.  See: Vietnam.

The only thing that makes the US government accountable today are the serial numbers and stamping on the shrapnel of the guided missile that was shot up your ass.


Remove those casualties and there's no more political inconvenience. Nobody gives a shiat when we launch Tomahawks or drop a few bombs anymore unless it is convenient for the opposition party to say "wag the dog" or something just as pitiable. Of course, give them the keys and they do the same damn thing.

Iraq war had some of the larges protests in our history; media coverage barely noted them and when they did, they were described as just a few vocal dirty hippies, called traitors and written off as nutters.

Of course, the dirty farking hippies were right.
 
2013-07-22 09:41:36 PM  
johnbardi.edublogs.org
Where is the Change We Can Believe in?

5 years later and we still have the same shiat just a different damn day
 
2013-07-22 09:41:58 PM  
johnbardi.edublogs.org

Where is that Change We Can Believe In?

5 years later and we have the same shiat just on a different day
 
2013-07-22 09:53:12 PM  
It makes you wonder sometimes if all the website breaches you hear about is really the NSA doing their own data mining.
 
2013-07-22 09:53:29 PM  
You said shiat twice.
 
2013-07-22 09:55:05 PM  
If you think you can trick me into commenting in this thread, you are dumber than I think I am.
 
2013-07-22 09:55:09 PM  

SnakeLee: There are so many things wrong with this.  First off, if you just change your number, there are still records that you changed your number.  If the NSA hit up the cell phone carrier to find your number to track you, they would get the most current number and still find you.  They would almost certainly also get your old number and phone history, too. The only way it would work was if you changed your phone the minute after the NSA got it from the phone company, which is extremely unlikely to ever happen.


Cancel cell phone. Buy prepaid phone. Rinse, repeat.
 
2013-07-22 09:55:43 PM  
"... it is far to easy to abuse."

That thar's some good editoring there, Lou.

/Just too easy.
 
2013-07-22 09:55:50 PM  
The only change to believe in is to change your phone no. I think that's what he meant.
 
2013-07-22 09:56:05 PM  

cman: Where is that Change We Can Believe In?

5 years later and we have the same shiat just on a different day


If you cared to look into it you would find that many of us lifelong liberals are not very happy with his support of an invasive authoritarian police state. But he is still much better than what the Republicans have to offer.
 
2013-07-22 10:01:13 PM  

revrendjim: If you cared to look into it you would find that many of us lifelong liberals are not very happy with his support of an invasive authoritarian police state. But he is still much better than what the Republicans have to offer.


This is the problem with US voters. They only see two choices. Our guy, or their guy.

It's the reason you get what you get when you vote. Out of over 300 million, you folks can't come up with more that two choices? Lotteries have better odds.
 
2013-07-22 10:03:04 PM  
It's about time we take back America from these murderous FascNO CARRIER
 
2013-07-22 10:03:13 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I don't carry a cell phone, but the NSA would still have no problem finding me and blowing me away.

My family could never be that lucky.

/i keed


Actually, the NSA doesn't do that kind of work.

And if you aren't radiating in some fashion, they will have a major problem finding you, because they don't do the whole "follow people" thing.  That's the FBI and CIA.
 
2013-07-22 10:05:45 PM  
SnakeLee:
On the other side of things, the government is now 100% reliant on these gimmicky shortcuts to finding people instead of doing real police work. It makes them sloppy and they accidentally go after the wrong people

Why bother to make sure you are going after the right people if once you arrest people, they are by definition "terror suspects" with few to no rights?
 
2013-07-22 10:06:24 PM  
Meh. There's been so much NSA terror lately that I've gotten accustomed to it and it just doesn't give me the rush it once did. We'll have to get over this "new bombshell every day" craze and stay there for awhile before my responses will return to normal.

It's like the regular news cycle is borrowing a page from the Glenn Beck playbook - each day louder and more serious than the last.
 
2013-07-22 10:07:00 PM  
NSA can track a phone that is powered down or they can track one that is on standby? Those are very different things. If they can track a phone that's powered down, especially with the battery removed, I'll be very impressed... and a bit frightened, but still impressed.
 
2013-07-22 10:07:57 PM  

dustman81: SnakeLee: There are so many things wrong with this.  First off, if you just change your number, there are still records that you changed your number.  If the NSA hit up the cell phone carrier to find your number to track you, they would get the most current number and still find you.  They would almost certainly also get your old number and phone history, too. The only way it would work was if you changed your phone the minute after the NSA got it from the phone company, which is extremely unlikely to ever happen.

Cancel cell phone. Buy prepaid phone. Rinse, repeat.


Here's the problem with that:  They'll know where you live.  Your phone beacons every few minutes, pinging the local cell sites with it's location.  It would take them all of maybe a day to figure out your new number.  Maybe 2 days if they were being lazy.  All they would have to do is query all the numbers that report being in that location.
 
2013-07-22 10:10:08 PM  
Cuz they're trackin' teabaggers and militia left and right with drones and killin' them.

Be afraid, conservatives.

/ Just kidding, you're always afraid.
 
2013-07-22 10:11:08 PM  
I'm just curious, if they use my phone to kill me in a drone strike, does that mean Time Warner cable will stop calling me at 11:30 p.m. Sunday nights?
 
2013-07-22 10:13:57 PM  
Ugh.  Even as a liberal generally opposed to the security state I find the amount of pants-crapping hyperbole coming out of the left staggering.  We went straight from 'the NSA is collecting metadata' to 'the NSA is flying armed assassination drones overhead so change your phone and wear this tinfoil' without blinking.
 
2013-07-22 10:14:15 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Actually, I hate the whole NSA and DHS crap. Everything the DHS and the Patriot Act were designed to stop meant sh*t with the Boston Marathon bombing. Nothing changed, except less privacy. But I doubt drones are going to be nuking our neighborhoods randomly in the near future.


I'm not sure about this. Drones will certainly be spying on us. And not just drones but ALPR and similar systems. And I bet there are SWAT teams ready to arm drones. For great justice.

And for the soap box: I hate drones. I want war to be between people. I want the cost of war to be painful. I want it to hurt the wallet, the heart, the soul and the person. Why would I want that? Because war should never be taken lightly or declared haphazardly.

This is exactly right. And emphasizing that war needs to have political repercussion and public accountability.
 
2013-07-22 10:16:50 PM  

EngineerAU: NSA can track a phone that is powered down or they can track one that is on standby? Those are very different things. If they can track a phone that's powered down, especially with the battery removed, I'll be very impressed... and a bit frightened, but still impressed.


Obviously, they can't track a phone that's powered down with the battery removed.  Nor can they track a phone, say, wrapped in foil.  But those sorts of things render the phone practically worthless:  Sure you can call out when you want with minimal inconvenience, but you can't receive calls in that mode.

Radios are different:  They can listen all day long without giving away their position, and when they do transmit, it takes specialized equipment that's actually in range of the signal to tell where the transmitter is located, and it's no where near as accurate as a cell phone position.  Plus, once you finish transmitting, unless they are actively recording it, that signal is gone forever, and it takes work to associate transmitter A with transmitter B if the two are smart about how they set things up.

/Ex SIGINT weenie.
 
2013-07-22 10:17:29 PM  
Subby, just what part of Moore's law says anything about obsolescence?
 
2013-07-22 10:18:04 PM  

SnakeLee: There are so many things wrong with this.  First off, if you just change your number, there are still records that you changed your number.  If the NSA hit up the cell phone carrier to find your number to track you, they would get the most current number and still find you.  They would almost certainly also get your old number and phone history, too. The only way it would work was if you changed your phone the minute after the NSA got it from the phone company, which is extremely unlikely to ever happen.

On the other side of things, the government is now 100% reliant on these gimmicky shortcuts to finding people instead of doing real police work.  It makes them sloppy and they accidentally go after the wrong people, but also they are in charge of finding terrorists.  If the ways to get around detection are as easy as just a.) using a burner instead of your main phone to do your terrorist stuff and b.) pulling the battery out of your phone instead of just turning it off, it's going to make it really easy to catch run of the mill people but anybody with a good plan is going to be invisible.


No, he still knows nothing. He's an idiot.
 
2013-07-22 10:20:30 PM  
Crap. I have one of those fancy phones where you can't take the battery out.
 
2013-07-22 10:22:55 PM  

ElLoco: revrendjim: If you cared to look into it you would find that many of us lifelong liberals are not very happy with his support of an invasive authoritarian police state. But he is still much better than what the Republicans have to offer.

This is the problem with US voters. They only see two choices. Our guy, or their guy.

It's the reason you get what you get when you vote. Out of over 300 million, you folks can't come up with more that two choices? Lotteries have better odds.


Wat?
 
2013-07-22 10:23:46 PM  

doglover: Are you accusing me of leading terrorist cells in Afganistan, subby? You do realize that kind of implication is actionable slander, do you not?


Only if it isn't true.
 
2013-07-22 10:26:02 PM  
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-22 10:26:04 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I want war to be between people. I want the cost of war to be painful. I want it to hurt the wallet, the heart, the soul and the person. Why would I want that? Because war should never be taken lightly or declared haphazardly.


Word:

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2013-07-22 10:29:14 PM  

MrHappyRotter: I'm just curious, if they use my phone to kill me in a drone strike, does that mean Time Warner cable will stop calling me at 11:30 p.m. Sunday nights?


No, they'll still. You just won't be around to answer.
 
2013-07-22 10:30:53 PM  
Nothing to see here citizen, move along.
 
2013-07-22 10:31:10 PM  
This just in, the NSA is working closely with Telemarketers to find out who is home and who isn't home and doesn't answer their phone.

Not quite sure which of these is targeted, but you can't say they don't vet before striking..
 
2013-07-22 10:32:00 PM  

EngineerAU: NSA can track a phone that is powered down or they can track one that is on standby? Those are very different things. If they can track a phone that's powered down, especially with the battery removed, I'll be very impressed... and a bit frightened, but still impressed.


Yeah, remote tracking with the battery removed is unlikely.

On the other hand it would be quite easy to have a phone which looks like it's powered down while still keeping the GSM module powered, or one which sets an RTC alarm to wake up every 15 minutes and send a ping before silently powering off again. As long as the screen stays off and it doesn't ring or vibrate, users are very unlikely to notice that the device is active.
 
2013-07-22 10:32:11 PM  

fatassbastard: Nadie_AZ: I want war to be between people. I want the cost of war to be painful. I want it to hurt the wallet, the heart, the soul and the person. Why would I want that? Because war should never be taken lightly or declared haphazardly.

Word:

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FARK, you beat me to it. First thing I thought of after reading that post
 
2013-07-22 10:33:40 PM  
When I think of the banal nature of the vast majority of my phone exchanges, I'd almost welcome a drone strike on or about my head just to break the monotony.
 
2013-07-22 10:34:59 PM  
i1048.photobucket.com
i1048.photobucket.com

I'm crank calling their shiat!
 
2013-07-22 10:35:24 PM  
Wait is that the sound of conservatives wetting their beds?
 
2013-07-22 10:37:28 PM  

Hastor: Ugh.  Even as a liberal generally opposed to the security state I find the amount of pants-crapping hyperbole coming out of the left staggering.  We went straight from 'the NSA is collecting metadata' to 'the NSA is flying armed assassination drones overhead so change your phone and wear this tinfoil' without blinking.


Um, the far left has been saying that for a very long time.  It just sells clicks by highlighting it now.  Many of the conspiracy theorists are avowed left wingers.  I remember making fun of such antics when I was a knuckle dragging right wing thug in the late '80s  (Wow, I remember how much I hated Dukakis as a presidential candidate and looked down on Democrats in general as lunatics - Clinton's first term, in particular Gingrich's "Contract with(on) America" changed that for me).  The 1990 version of me would have thought all these surveillance and drone developments were "going in the right direction".  That 21 year old idiot was definitely of the "shoot first, don't ask questions later" variety.  I'm glad he's gone.

Now I'd just like to board a common carrier plane with the same amount of fuss as I did as a child flying alone in 1983.
 
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