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(Talking Points Memo)   The Heathers of the NYTimes were all like, what's your damage, Nate Silver?   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 133
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2013-07-22 04:10:35 PM  
TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.
 
2013-07-22 04:30:32 PM  
TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: He made us look bad because he kept being so damn right all the time.
 
2013-07-22 04:36:49 PM  
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that old-school, traditional pundits and political "commentators" take issue with a logical, evidence-based approach to political reporting.
 
2013-07-22 05:32:08 PM  
So ESPN now has Keith Obermann and Nate Silver? That should make some interesting programming.
 
2013-07-22 05:35:31 PM  
Why doesn't he just move the Las Vagas? He could be the next

kidamericaclub.com
 
2013-07-22 05:42:46 PM  
Nate disrupted the traditional model of how to cover politics."

you mean..correctly?
 
2013-07-22 05:57:43 PM  
He's eliminating the horse race narrative that we've spent years cultivating. People will stop reading the paper if he stays.
 
2013-07-22 06:11:30 PM  
He insufficiently skews the polls for the benefit of the paper's bottom line.
 
2013-07-22 06:13:22 PM  

pootsie: TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.


That's the best one because you just make up the shiat that sells the most column inches you don't actually have to tell the truth. *cough* horserace *cough*
 
2013-07-22 06:25:18 PM  
From what I can tell, Nate Silver is the kind of guy that prides himself in integrity.

He is biased as fark but he doesn't let his biases affect his reporting.

I wish there were more people like him in journalism.
 
2013-07-22 06:29:10 PM  

Tigger: pootsie: TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.

That's the best one because you just make up the shiat that sells the most column inches you don't actually have to tell the truth. *cough* horserace *cough*


The "horserace" died when Silver actually used facts & stuff to skewer the notion of "momentum"
 
2013-07-22 06:33:54 PM  
I have it on good authority that he is PROBABLY a witch.
 
2013-07-22 06:43:58 PM  

nekom: I have it on good authority that he is PROBABLY a witch.


Latest modeling indicates an 89.3% probability that he would, in fact, sink.
 
2013-07-22 06:50:14 PM  
They should give his spot to Rove.  I heard he maths good.
 
2013-07-22 06:51:34 PM  

pootsie: TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.


Yep. Most news people I know hate math or crunching numbers, the love opinion and giving things their feel, even though they shouldn't.
 
2013-07-22 06:53:44 PM  
*sniff*

Smells like butthurt
 
2013-07-22 06:53:47 PM  

cman: From what I can tell, Nate Silver is the kind of guy that prides himself in integrity.

He is biased as fark but he doesn't let his biases affect his reporting.

I wish there were more people like him in journalism.


Biased which way?
 
2013-07-22 06:58:09 PM  

Fark It: I am shocked, SHOCKED, that old-school, traditional pundits and political "commentators" take issue with a logical, evidence-based approach to political reporting.


Hell, there was talk  (and it quickly died when someone pointed out that whole pesky 1st Amendment protection of speech) about banning people from doing the statistical analysis that Silver was doing, because it might change the election results, i.e. stop supporters of one candidate from showing up, because "He's going to lose anyways, why bother".

//The opposite doesn't happen, people not showing up because their guy is going to win, I believe due to the bandwagon effect.
 
2013-07-22 06:58:38 PM  
Maybe they got tired of Drunk Nate Silver naming the day they would die.
 
2013-07-22 06:58:39 PM  

Arachnophobe: cman: From what I can tell, Nate Silver is the kind of guy that prides himself in integrity.

He is biased as fark but he doesn't let his biases affect his reporting.

I wish there were more people like him in journalism.

Biased which way?


Wasn't there some conspiracy theory that Nate Silver was using math to skew the election in Obama's favor because he's gay?

/according to Republicans, math == witchcraft
 
2013-07-22 06:58:57 PM  

Arachnophobe: cman: From what I can tell, Nate Silver is the kind of guy that prides himself in integrity.

He is biased as fark but he doesn't let his biases affect his reporting.

I wish there were more people like him in journalism.

Biased which way?


He has a well-known bias towards facts.
 
2013-07-22 06:59:06 PM  
While we're talking Nate Silver, go enjoy some schadenfreude care of DeadLyingCokeHead.com:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/02/nate-silver-patro n- saint-of-confirmation-bias

"When the left wakes up on Wednesday, surveying the electoral wreckage around them, they may regret allowing themselves to be lulled into such a false sense of security. "
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA gasp hahahahahahah ... heh
 
2013-07-22 07:00:02 PM  

Corvus: pootsie: TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.

Yep. Most news people I know hate math or crunching numbers, the love opinion and giving things their feel, even though they shouldn't.


That's what happens when you drop out of the Education Department and go to the last resort school of journalism.
 
2013-07-22 07:00:02 PM  
TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""
Translation: "Nate actually did work, while the rest of just watched events and spewed forth our opinions like so much bathwater pouring down the drain, and all that math is really f*cking intimidating, and we really don't like being intimidated by such a slight man, who keeps being f*cking right. I mean, we're political reporters. If we wanted to work for a living, we'd be down doing ad copy or some sh*t in records..."
 
2013-07-22 07:01:29 PM  
It's almost as though traditional media outlets like being able to control and manipulate 'maintain editorial freedom with' the narrative of the story they're manufacturing 'covering,' in order to generate otherwise non-existent drama and controversy for the sake of driving clicks and pageviews 'properly inform their readers.'
 
2013-07-22 07:01:45 PM  

Arachnophobe: cman: From what I can tell, Nate Silver is the kind of guy that prides himself in integrity.

He is biased as fark but he doesn't let his biases affect his reporting.

I wish there were more people like him in journalism.

Biased which way?


Towards reality?

Seriously, I think he is left leaning, He said it himself.
 
2013-07-22 07:01:49 PM  

Lochsteppe: Maybe they got tired of Drunk Nate Silver naming the day they would die.


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHA!

"*buuuuuuurp*   Tuesday, Maureen.  You're *hiccup* going to buy the farm on a farking Tuesday, you fecking moronic coont."
 
2013-07-22 07:02:00 PM  

pootsie: Tigger: pootsie: TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.

That's the best one because you just make up the shiat that sells the most column inches you don't actually have to tell the truth. *cough* horserace *cough*

The "horserace" died when Silver actually used facts & stuff to skewer the notion of "momentum"


That was an interesting read, thank you.
 
2013-07-22 07:03:38 PM  

Magnus: Corvus: pootsie: TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.

Yep. Most news people I know hate math or crunching numbers, the love opinion and giving things their feel, even though they shouldn't.

That's what happens when you drop out of the Education Department and go to the last resort school of journalism.


I had to take a journalism class once. I hated it. And the people who were actually becoming journalists were like the worst ones in the class.
 
2013-07-22 07:05:37 PM  
Yeah the press like to make up bullshiat "Game changer" events during elections. The problem with the press is they are always looking for a big story when one doesn't exist so they hare Nate's articles of "Blah blah blah is being over blown and doesn't really matter" because it shows that these articles are manufactured pieces to give writers something to write about but don't actually matter.
 
2013-07-22 07:12:15 PM  

pootsie: While we're talking Nate Silver, go enjoy some schadenfreude care of DeadLyingCokeHead.com:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/02/nate-silver-patro n- saint-of-confirmation-bias

"When the left wakes up on Wednesday, surveying the electoral wreckage around them, they may regret allowing themselves to be lulled into such a false sense of security. "
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA gasp hahahahahahah ... heh



I know you're never supposed to read the comments, but those are pretty amusing.
 
2013-07-22 07:13:47 PM  
Geesh, report that the GOP may win back the Senate and the next thing you know, you are working on Keith Olbermann's show.

Sad.  I like Silver.  I hope he can bounce back from this.
 
2013-07-22 07:14:19 PM  
ESPN is as good as dead. They owe more money on their contracts than they'll be able to charge cable companies who are meeting increasing push-back on cost pass-throughs to customers.

Mathematically, they are eliminated. They get nothing. Good day, Sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!
 
2013-07-22 07:14:56 PM  

pootsie: Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.


Newt Gingrich:"I believe the minimum result will be 53-47 Romney, over 300 electoral votes."

Karl Rove:  Romney 285, Obama 253.

Fox News contributor Dick Morris: Romney 325, Obama 213.

The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol: "I'm cautiously optimistic that Romney's going to win."

Conservative columnist George Will: Romney 321, Obama 217.

UnskewedPolls' Dean Chambers:  Romney 311, Obama 227.

The Washington Examiner's Michael Barone:"Bottom line: Romney 315, Obama 223.

House Speaker John Boehner: "I think Ohioans vote with their wallets. That's why I think Romney's going to win on Tuesday."

Fox News's Sean Hannity: "I got this, Romney three points."

CNBC's Larry Kudlow: "I am now predicting a 330 vote electoral vote landslide. Yes, that's right - 330 electoral votes."

Fox News contributor Charles Krauthammer: "Romney, very close. But he'll win the popular by I think about half a point, electoral college probably a very narrow margin."

Rush Limbaugh: "All of my thinking says Romney big. All of my feeling is where my concern is. But my thoughts, my intellectual analysis of this - factoring everything I see plus the polling data - it's not even close. Three hundred-plus electoral votes for Romney."

Former Bush White House press secretary Ari Fleischer: "My prediction: Romn 50.1%-49.5%. Romn w minimum 271 EVs (FL, VA, CO, WI, NH). 309 EVs if he takes OH&PA. Pres-elect Romney."
 
2013-07-22 07:17:14 PM  
TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""
Translated: We spend a lot of time wining and dining people willing to leak inside info on their trusting employer purely for the thrill of momentarily feeling important, and enjoy having people pander to our self-delusion that we are insightful. So we aren't very happy to have some cocky geek not only get better results without every going near a campaign staffer or an "off the record source", but loudly and objectively demonstrating that our traditional approach sucks and our respect is ill-deserved.
 
2013-07-22 07:17:29 PM  

Dante87336: Arachnophobe: cman: From what I can tell, Nate Silver is the kind of guy that prides himself in integrity.

He is biased as fark but he doesn't let his biases affect his reporting.

I wish there were more people like him in journalism.

Biased which way?

Towards reality?

Seriously, I think he is left leaning, He said it himself.


This is why I asked, I could have sworn I read that he said he leaned conservative. But everything I'm finding now confirms what you said. Non-affiliated, tends to vote Democratic.

Must have been a hell of a binge I was on...
 
2013-07-22 07:22:02 PM  
HAHAHAHAHA.

That's precious. Every class during 2012 we looked at his website for updates. I explained what his numbers meant and how he pulled them. I had almost all my students looking at his site, absolutely fascinated by it. Whenever we would discuss the news and encounter some particular strong piece of bullshiat, I would compare that with something from Nate's site.

Guess who was right. Every. Single. Time.

Clue: Not the Unskewed Polls dude.
 
2013-07-22 07:23:26 PM  
Good for him.

It's as if he has a farking modicum of decency, takes the high ground & puts honesty before monetary or political gain.

I appreciate him as a human being, he makes the world a better place.

/perhaps i should rethink clicking on the NYTimes links if they prefer to opposite of what Mr. Silver brings to the table.
 
2013-07-22 07:27:46 PM  
"Hey, stop being right all the time.  You're making us look like jerks, you jerk."
 
2013-07-22 07:31:48 PM  
Hey, can anyone translate that quote from the article for me?
 
2013-07-22 07:32:16 PM  
Judith Miller fit right in...
 
2013-07-22 07:32:35 PM  
TFA: "The Times tried very hard to give him a lot of editorial help and a great platform. It bent over backward to do so, and this, too, disturbed some staff members."

Of course they did. Nate was doing just fine without them. If they weren't giving him a good deal, why stay there?
 
2013-07-22 07:33:47 PM  
ESPN?  What the hell kind of move is that?  How many announcers does it take to suck off Tom Brady?
 
2013-07-22 07:35:39 PM  

pootsie: TFA: "Sullivan also recalled how, through conversations about the polling guru with others in the Times' newsroom, she learned that "a number of traditional and well-respected Times journalists disliked his work.""

Translated: We really prefer the old method of political reporting where you just make shiat up on the fly.


Note to English Majors everywhere...

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2013-07-22 07:37:09 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: ESPN?  What the hell kind of move is that?  How many announcers does it take to suck off Tom Brady?


Skip Bayless is going to unskew those Tebow numbers.
 
2013-07-22 07:38:02 PM  

Arachnophobe: Dante87336: Arachnophobe: cman: From what I can tell, Nate Silver is the kind of guy that prides himself in integrity.

He is biased as fark but he doesn't let his biases affect his reporting.

I wish there were more people like him in journalism.

Biased which way?

Towards reality?

Seriously, I think he is left leaning, He said it himself.

This is why I asked, I could have sworn I read that he said he leaned conservative. But everything I'm finding now confirms what you said. Non-affiliated, tends to vote Democratic.

Must have been a hell of a binge I was on...


He was on DailyKos before he started 538. Eventually, his non-featured blog got enough people reading that he started his own site (roughly 3 months after he started it, IIRC).
 
2013-07-22 07:39:52 PM  

cman: From what I can tell, Nate Silver is the kind of guy that prides himself in integrity.

He is biased as fark but he doesn't let his biases affect his reporting.

I wish there were more people like him in journalism.


It's true. Nate doesn't call it like he sees it, he calls it based on what the numbers say. It's too bad the NYTimes staff doesn't consider that a virtue.
 
2013-07-22 07:40:30 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: ESPN?  What the hell kind of move is that?  How many announcers does it take to suck off Tom Brady?


Before he did political analysis, Nate Silver was best known for inventing PECOTA, which was, at the time the most accurate model for predicting the results of baseball seasons.
 
2013-07-22 07:40:36 PM  
Is he keeping 538? If so, then good. During election season, a lot of his more in-depth analysis would be hidden behind a paywall because, along with click to other storied, I'd hit the magic number of 10 clicks to the NYT. I know, I know, you can circumvent it by browsing anonymously, but that's a pain.
 
2013-07-22 07:41:40 PM  

pootsie: While we're talking Nate Silver, go enjoy some schadenfreude care of DeadLyingCokeHead.com:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/02/nate-silver-patro n- saint-of-confirmation-bias

"When the left wakes up on Wednesday, surveying the electoral wreckage around them, they may regret allowing themselves to be lulled into such a false sense of security. "
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA gasp hahahahahahah ... heh


Oh god, that was enjoyable.
 
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