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(Opposing Views)   Hero teacher who smelled something burning, located the fire, got everyone out safely and put the flames out gets fired because she left her sleeping students alone in the classroom to see what the burning smell was   (opposingviews.com) divider line 105
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2013-07-22 04:16:04 PM
She left the room and kids alone to investigate the fire!  Should she stay in the room with the kids and ignore a potential fire instead?
 
2013-07-22 04:33:19 PM

SlothB77: She left the room and kids alone to investigate the fire!  Should she stay in the room with the kids and ignore a potential fire instead?


She could have been overcome by the rampgaing, out-of-control inferno!  And then all the kids might have been individually or collectively rape-raped to death during her brief absence.

YOU don't know.  And neither do we.  So she was fired because safety.  Not fire safety mind but other kinds.
 
2013-07-22 05:23:08 PM
FTFA:  "It's not acceptable, and if anybody else does the same thing, I will fire again. I will fire them. No question," she said.

Fortunately for Hammack, The Department of Children and Families is investigating the situation. Unless something we're not being told about happened, you've got to think, or at least hope, Hammack will be getting her job back.

 Sounds like Hammack would be better off not working for a zero-tolerance wench.
 
2013-07-22 05:25:01 PM
The woman who fired her has a rich life ahead of her on the board of an HOA.
 
2013-07-22 05:43:54 PM
Thanks OBAMA!
 
2013-07-22 05:44:24 PM
Maybe she should've gotten the kids out, then investigated?
 
2013-07-22 05:45:53 PM
You no leave room. I tell you to no leave room. I fire you. I fire again if teacher leave room. This how done in Russia, this how done here. You go now.
 
2013-07-22 05:46:23 PM
She should have sent one child as a sacrifice to the Fire God then used that window of opportunity to get the rest out safely.
 
2013-07-22 05:47:12 PM
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2013-07-22 05:48:59 PM
Soooo, she shouldn't have investigated; allowing the fire to spread? Is that what's going on here? That'll teach her to think.
 
2013-07-22 05:49:07 PM

Liz Lemon: Maybe she should've gotten the kids out, then investigated?


reading issues huh?
 
2013-07-22 05:50:14 PM

Liz Lemon: Maybe she should've gotten the kids out, then investigated?


Because there's no way this crazy employer would fire her for waking a class full of napping kids and then leaving them outside to investigate an odd smell, right?  If the kids were asleep anyway there's no harm in popping down the hall for a handful of seconds to see what is going on.  Boss is a nutbar.
 
2013-07-22 05:50:42 PM

miss diminutive: She should have sent one child as a sacrifice to the Fire God then used that window of opportunity to get the rest out safely.


Indeed.

The Fire God is a cruel one.
 
2013-07-22 05:51:15 PM
 This is a prime example of why we need more laws.

Someone contact the past leaders of the motor city.
 
2013-07-22 05:51:17 PM
"It's not acceptable, and if anybody else does the same thing, I will fire again."

Sounds like a confession to trying to burn the school down killing everybody inside. Book her, Lou.
 
2013-07-22 05:52:35 PM
She didn't start the fire. I bet it was Billy Joel.
 
2013-07-22 05:52:42 PM
Outrageous. She should get a medal, The George Zimmerman Medal of Citizen Heroism.
 
2013-07-22 05:52:52 PM

SlothB77: Should she stay in the room with the kids and ignore a potential fire instead?


Not ignore, pray! Pray the fire away!
It's worked so well with homosexuals, it just has to work with fire as well.
 
2013-07-22 05:53:26 PM
She was told "we don't need you to do that"
 
2013-07-22 05:54:17 PM
By the penmanship of that sign she's holding, I think the kids are better off without her

/kidding
 
2013-07-22 05:54:47 PM
I like the sign she made. It really demonstrates her high level of education and intelligence, and also her impressive attention to detail.

/a drunken four year old could have done better
 
2013-07-22 05:55:49 PM

uncleacid: She didn't start the fire. I bet it was Billy Joel.


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No one expects the butterfly.
 
2013-07-22 05:56:33 PM
I don't see the outrage. Considering the stupid zero tolerance rules school boards force on kids, why should the teachers be exempt?

/they ate their cookies, I say "let 'em crash."
 
GCD
2013-07-22 05:58:35 PM
Fortunately for Hammack, The Department of Children and Families is investigating the situation. Unless something we're not being told about happened, you've got to think, or at least hope, Hammack will be getting her job back.

I'm not sure that any sane person would WANT their job back after being fired for something that stupid...It's obvious that the owner is absolutely farking batshiat crazy...so, I'm sure that even if the Department of Children and Families told her the firing was unjustified, it'd be a matter of day (probably hours) before the owner found some other petty violation to fire her on.

I'd sit back and wait for the rather large settlement that I'd be entitled to after suing the ever-loving bejebus out of Olga.

/Not sure I've ever seen a sane Olga anyway...must have something to do with the name
 
2013-07-22 05:59:31 PM
Well, all the parents there will sleep better knowing this Olga woman will fire teachers who show assertion and level-headedness.
 
2013-07-22 06:01:22 PM
And that my friends is why we have teacher unions, sadly..it appears she wasn't a member of one of them. Perhaps public opinion will get her job back if she wants it. And fire the coont that fired her.
 
2013-07-22 06:01:43 PM
She was not fired for letting her students nap while she want to investigate a potentially serious situation, before saving the lives of every kid!  No!  She was fired because she thinks it's grammatically acceptable to say, "I am fired" and her firing boss thinks it's ok to say, "I will fire again."

/I am tired because I was fired.
//I will fire anyone who saves the lives of children rather than lets a fire burn out of control.  Wait. That's not right.
 
2013-07-22 06:03:36 PM
Every time someone gets fired for something like this, thank a trial lawyer.  Just go find John Morgan and give him a big old hug.
 
2013-07-22 06:03:46 PM
So where are the Union Thugs that are supposed to make it impossible to fire a teacher?
 
2013-07-22 06:04:29 PM
It's being investigated, find our the dismissal was not justified, then can draw unemployment off of her old boss while looking for new work
 
2013-07-22 06:06:03 PM
I'm trying to imagine the correct procedure, the one where the kids are safe and she kept her job.  Perhaps it was to pull the in-room fire alarm (if it exists), then get the kids out?  Or just get the kids out, then call 911?  Or call 911, then get the kids out?

If the rule is "never abandon the kids, not even for a second" then she placed her job in jeopardy, but if it's "use common sense to prevent injury" she's a hero.
 
2013-07-22 06:07:13 PM
Liz Lemon: Maybe she should've gotten the kids out, then investigated?

Maybe she should have sent one of the kids to investigate.

Then if that kid doesn't make it back, send a second kid to find the first kid.

Plus you can always make more if you have the resources for it.

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// or was that SCVs
 
2013-07-22 06:08:27 PM
What is a daycare teacher? They teach stuff in daycare?
 
2013-07-22 06:08:58 PM
rkiller1: If the rule is "never abandon the kids, not even for a second" then she placed her job in jeopardy, but if it's "use common sense to prevent injury" she's a hero.

These things are not related.  Regardless of the rules, she did a good thing when it came to the fire.
 
2013-07-22 06:10:01 PM

rkiller1: I'm trying to imagine the correct procedure, the one where the kids are safe and she kept her job.  Perhaps it was to pull the in-room fire alarm (if it exists), then get the kids out?  Or just get the kids out, then call 911?  Or call 911, then get the kids out?

If the rule is "never abandon the kids, not even for a second" then she placed her job in jeopardy, but if it's "use common sense to prevent injury" she's a hero.


I'm sure the room would have had a fire alarm. IANAE but I'm sure that's code in a school building. And it's also most likely wired to emergency services so calling 911 is not necessary. You would do it later, of course, just to be sure, but first pull the alarm and then evacuate the kids.

Honestly I don't think her firing is unreasonable. Suppose she went to investigate and was unable to get back to the room because the fire spread behind her or she was overcome by smoke? Getting the kids out should have been her first priority. The fact that in this case everything turned out well doesn't mean that the policy is bad.

OTOH, firing her for this seems unreasonable. Why not sit her down in private and say "look, everything turned out ok but next time I want you to get your kids out first"?
 
2013-07-22 06:15:03 PM
It is called ZERO TOLERANCE and it cuts both ways.
 
2013-07-22 06:16:43 PM
"Don't call her life saver. Call her shiathead."

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2013-07-22 06:18:48 PM

Terrydatroll: You no leave room. I tell you to no leave room. I fire you. I fire again if teacher leave room. This how done in Russia, this how done here. You go now.


Teacher: Not to leave the room even if you come and get them.
Owner: No, no. Until I come and get 'em.
Teacher: Until you come and get them, we're not to enter the room.
Owner: No, no, no. You stay in the room and make sure they don't leave.
Teacher: And you'll come and get them.
Owner: Right.
Teacher: We don't need to do anything, apart from just stop them entering the room.
Owner: No, no. Leaving the room.
Teacher: Leaving the room, yes.
 
2013-07-22 06:19:31 PM

OMFG .. We're all gonna DIE!!

www.theblindcard.com

 
2013-07-22 06:20:05 PM

Jument: Honestly I don't think her firing is unreasonable. Suppose she went to investigate and was unable to get back to the room because the fire spread behind her or she was overcome by smoke? Getting the kids out should have been her first priority. The fact that in this case everything turned out well doesn't mean that the policy is bad.

OTOH, firing her for this seems unreasonable. Why not sit her down in private and say "look, everything turned out ok but next time I want you to get your kids out first"?


Wait, you contradicted yourself within the same post. At least the second part makes sense.

The result of the employee's actions: fire damage was prevented, kids' safety ensured, all was well. That deserves commendation, not firing. As for her briefly leaving the kids? Give her a reminder and let it pass.

Olga whatshertits sounds like a splendid person. This lady should look for a better job at a daycare not run by Baba Yaga.
 
2013-07-22 06:21:25 PM

Jument: rkiller1: I'm trying to imagine the correct procedure, the one where the kids are safe and she kept her job.  Perhaps it was to pull the in-room fire alarm (if it exists), then get the kids out?  Or just get the kids out, then call 911?  Or call 911, then get the kids out?

If the rule is "never abandon the kids, not even for a second" then she placed her job in jeopardy, but if it's "use common sense to prevent injury" she's a hero.

I'm sure the room would have had a fire alarm. IANAE but I'm sure that's code in a school building. And it's also most likely wired to emergency services so calling 911 is not necessary. You would do it later, of course, just to be sure, but first pull the alarm and then evacuate the kids.

Honestly I don't think her firing is unreasonable. Suppose she went to investigate and was unable to get back to the room because the fire spread behind her or she was overcome by smoke? Getting the kids out should have been her first priority. The fact that in this case everything turned out well doesn't mean that the policy is bad.

OTOH, firing her for this seems unreasonable. Why not sit her down in private and say "look, everything turned out ok but next time I want you to get your kids out first"?


You trust fire alarms when your nose smells smoke but the alarm isn't going off? Isn't that cute. And stupid. Even with all the checks and maintenance, things can fail. Why risk it?

She smelled smoke, so she went to see what was going on. Kids can sleep for 30 seconds by themselves, believe it or not. Should she have waited until it was an inferno before she tried evacuating? Waited until the fire department came to tell them to exit? You don't know the layout of the building, or anything that could have contributed to her decision. My kids have half-walls around their daycare separating all the rooms, so smelling smoke in another room wouldn't be impeded, and you couldn't get randomly overcome by it unless it's throughout the building. I would have absolutely no problem with one of the teachers poking around the corner into another room if they smelled smoke, and I'm not sure of any parent that would.
 
2013-07-22 06:23:10 PM
FTA:

Michelle Hammack worked at Little Temples Childcare facility in Arlington, Florida. While her students were napping last week, she smelled something burning in the school. Naturally, she went to check on the problem. "I just leaned over and peeked around and there was a fire in the oven," Hammack said. "I ran in there and opened it to try to put it out, and the fire alarm started going off."

Hammack rushed back to her classroom, woke up her sleeping students, and took them outside
. All other teachers in the school followed suit. After Hammack did a head count of her students, she went back into the school to make sure the fire hadn't spread.

"When I got to the third classroom by the kitchen, I could see that it was just a contained fire in the oven," Hammack then grabbed a fire extinguisher, opened the oven, and put the fire out. The fire department then came to the school, inspected the then-extinguished fire, and told staff and students that they could re-enter the school.

Sounds like proper procedure to me.

a) determine if there is a problem
b) notify everyone and get your kids out of there (the automatic fire alarm notified the others)
c) take a head count
d) take action to eliminate threat, if safe to do so
 
2013-07-22 06:23:13 PM

Jument: The fact that in this case everything turned out well doesn't mean that the policy is bad.


It's surprising how many things "turn out well" due to people saying "screw policy"...and how few things "turn out horribly".
 
2013-07-22 06:24:42 PM
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2013-07-22 06:26:39 PM
puckrock2000

Darn you to Heck!
 
2013-07-22 06:28:04 PM
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2013-07-22 06:28:50 PM
The Trunchbull approves.
 
2013-07-22 06:30:00 PM
Did anyone notify 4Chan? I forcast pizzas in this school's future.
 
2013-07-22 06:30:10 PM
Parents have any recourse, like "we're keeping our kids out of this school while this batshait crazy administrator is around"?
 
2013-07-22 06:30:32 PM

Jument:

Honestly I don't think her firing is unreasonable. Suppose she went to investigate and was unable to get back to the room because the fire spread behind her or she was overcome by smoke? Getting the kids out should have been her first priority. The fact that in this case everything turned out well doesn't mean that the policy is bad.

OTOH, firing her for this seems unreasonable. Why not sit her down in private and say "look, everything turned out ok but next time I want you to get your kids out first"?


Umm..so which is it? Did one of your other personalities finish the post that another personality had started?
 
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