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(TaxProf)   Pac-12 fights to keep for-profit schools out of Division I so cash goes "to our student-athletes first and foremost." The twelve Pac-12 directors who make up to $2 million/year for one hour work/week could not be reached for comment   (taxprof.typepad.com) divider line 18
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2013-07-22 02:39:44 PM
7 votes:
Why aren't college sports programs like basketball and football just declared Pro Minor Leagues, receive funding from the NBA and NFL, and all the students are exempt from normal curriculum, and instead receive life coaching, financial management coaching, and other relevant training?

The pretense that college athletics are some sort of amateur competition just to earn glory for their school is so completely false it's ridiculous.
2013-07-22 03:09:19 PM
4 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: markie_farkie: Why aren't college sports programs like basketball and football just declared Pro Minor Leagues, receive funding from the NBA and NFL, and all the students are exempt from normal curriculum, and instead receive life coaching, financial management coaching, and other relevant training?

The pretense that college athletics are some sort of amateur competition just to earn glory for their school is so completely false it's ridiculous.

For most college athletes the reason they play is for love of the game, or because playing for the school was their ticket to a free education.  The vast majority of college athletes, including football and basketball players, will never play professionally.  Even at the biggest sports schools the majority of the athletes know they aren't headed for the pros, and the percentage that have a chance to play professionally just goes down as you go through the mid-major conferences to the minor conferences and then into D2, D3, and the NAIA.

The opportunity to earn an degree and graduate debt free is a huge incentive, and the majority of student athletes take advantage of that and go on to careers outside of professional sports.  Turning the NCAA into some minor-league for the NFL and NCAA would be a disservice to the vast majority of student athletes.


NCAA hoops/football are already minor leagues for NBA/NFL.  If fans really gave a shiat about all this, they'd demand that the NFL and NBA invest in their own sports and produce their own robust, stratified, minor league systems like the NHL and MLB have had for so long.  NFL/NBA have been suckling off the teats of the universities, refusing to provide their own supply for the ridiculous demand for post-h.s., pre-professional basketball and football.  Big business loves its socialism.
2013-07-22 03:24:37 PM
3 votes:
nuff said

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2013-07-22 02:48:41 PM
3 votes:

markie_farkie: Why aren't college sports programs like basketball and football just declared Pro Minor Leagues, receive funding from the NBA and NFL, and all the students are exempt from normal curriculum, and instead receive life coaching, financial management coaching, and other relevant training?

The pretense that college athletics are some sort of amateur competition just to earn glory for their school is so completely false it's ridiculous.


For most college athletes the reason they play is for love of the game, or because playing for the school was their ticket to a free education.  The vast majority of college athletes, including football and basketball players, will never play professionally.  Even at the biggest sports schools the majority of the athletes know they aren't headed for the pros, and the percentage that have a chance to play professionally just goes down as you go through the mid-major conferences to the minor conferences and then into D2, D3, and the NAIA.

The opportunity to earn an degree and graduate debt free is a huge incentive, and the majority of student athletes take advantage of that and go on to careers outside of professional sports.  Turning the NCAA into some minor-league for the NFL and NCAA would be a disservice to the vast majority of student athletes.
2013-07-22 01:41:29 PM
3 votes:
I wonder why this wa$n't an i$$ue when the Univer$ity of Phoenix won the naming right$ to the $tadium where the Fie$ta Bowl i$ played.
2013-07-22 05:50:07 PM
1 votes:

fireclown: This text is now purple: Rebuttal:

I was paid as a grad student to be a researcher, which was basically employment as a minor league engineer on behalf of some external industry company who out-sourced research to my prof.

How is that different than being an NCAA athlete, except I made less money for my school than the football team did, and the NCAA didn't care that I was paid?

It is different because educating researchers is the job of a University, and producing football players is not.


Why not?  Universities produce all form of entertainers, from musicians, to actors, to authors and artists and dancers.  Why is producing a football player any less worthy?
2013-07-22 05:23:48 PM
1 votes:

This text is now purple: That's The Best Kind of Correct (r), seeing as grad researchers aren't eligible for Pell Grants. But do you think federal grant fraud never happens with grad students?


Oh, I'm sure it happens.

You know, I overlooked something I really should have caught right from the start.  You said grad student research, and that pretty much ends every discussion about how it's different.  That was my bad.
2013-07-22 04:02:25 PM
1 votes:
Hmmmm, let's see, human accomplishments: Splitting the atom, reaching the moon, curing diseases....mmmmmm pretty good, throwing and catching balls..wait what?
2013-07-22 03:41:57 PM
1 votes:

mentallo69: nuff said

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I love that Nevada's top-paid employee is a med school  plastic surgeon. It makes perfect sense! Either that, or the chair of UNLV's statistics department.
2013-07-22 03:41:20 PM
1 votes:

fireclown: It is different because educating researchers is the job of a University, and producing football players is not.


With some universities, I'm not so sure.
2013-07-22 03:37:12 PM
1 votes:

ElwoodCuse: Bslim: And college sports matter becauuuuuuse...?

Because they are worth billions of dollars to televise, and they don't have to give one cent of that to the people playing the games


They also provide entertainment to the alumni and foster a connection with the school that leads to increased donations to areas outside of athletics, the enhance the campus atmosphere and help foster a sense of school spirit amongst students, and they trace their roots back to the earliest days of education in which students were expected to enhance themselves mentally, physically, and artistically.

I'm not saying that there aren't problems that need to be addressed, but overall they do a lot of good, and a lot of people enjoy them, hence the popularity.
Student athletes are paid via an opportunity to learn and a scholarship.  They get to take advantage of training facilities, have access to coaches to develop their skills, and given the motivation they can earn a degree to support themselves if the trip to the pros doesn't work out, or if they know, as most do, that it will never be in the cards anyway.
2013-07-22 03:32:49 PM
1 votes:

Bslim: And college sports matter becauuuuuuse...?


Because they are worth billions of dollars to televise, and they don't have to give one cent of that to the people playing the games
2013-07-22 03:31:02 PM
1 votes:
The only thing more farked up than a for-profit university is the idea that the NCAA gives a rat's ass about the education or welfare of "student"-athletes.
2013-07-22 03:30:47 PM
1 votes:
www.brobible.com
2013-07-22 03:30:03 PM
1 votes:
The link website is much too high-brow for the Fark bunch.   They'll probably wonder where the beer cans and cigarette butts in their server cache originated.

Regarding profitability of schools - if one thinks public schools are not for profit, check out the bookstores selling ridiculously priced "textbooks" authored by teaching staff, external contracts supporting athletic programs, research dollars being pissed away by greedy profs who are not adequately held accountable.  Then when they blow all the state funds on boondoggles and inept professors, they raise tuition 7% in one year.

Pretty bad.
2013-07-22 03:25:07 PM
1 votes:
Because FOOTBALL,  FOOTBALL,  FOOTBALL!
Grunt! thump! Grargh!

Farking unamerican and highly homoerotic, the entire mess.
Not to mention rife with organized crime, including gambling, fixed games, and child rape.

Farking figure out how to grow enough food for your family and clean up the waters and then I'll consider memorizing your "stats" and putting you on my Fantasy team and jackin it to you.
2013-07-22 03:23:23 PM
1 votes:
can someone explain to me why the ability to play a sport well has frak-all with education?
2013-07-22 02:11:09 PM
1 votes:
i love how there's a lawsuit pending at this moment where several past and current NCAA athletes are suing the NCAA for using their likeness in video games (former UCLA star and NBA washout Ed O'Bannon is the plaintiff of record, i believe, and just last week a couple of current UofA Wildcats joined the suit, although there are others).

so i guess for-profit schools are an affront to NCAA bylaws, but the NCAA can pocket cash from using athlete's likenesses in vidya games.  perfectly reconcilable positions.
 
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