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(Fox News)   You know how Germany was all outraged and stuff over the discovery that it had been a subject of NSA monitoring? Well, turns out they weren't as much "subject of" as they were "prolific participator in"   (foxnews.com) divider line 52
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2013-07-22 01:19:23 PM
I'm sure they were just following orders.
 
2013-07-22 01:20:30 PM

vudukungfu: I'm sure they were just following orders.


Done in the boobies
 
2013-07-22 01:20:45 PM
Nacht und nabel.
 
2013-07-22 01:22:04 PM
All this crap is manufactured outrage. Now that the NSA has been dragged out into the open they've become the fall guy, but they were never acting alone.
 
2013-07-22 01:22:53 PM

griffer: Nacht und nabel.


I think you mean Nacht und Nebel. Unless you meant Night and Navel...
 
2013-07-22 01:24:03 PM
ts1.mm.bing.net
'I'm shocked...shocked to find that Germany was involved! Next you'll say France is too!!'
 
2013-07-22 01:24:33 PM
Basil: Listen, don't mention the war! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right. [returns to the Germans] So! It's all forgotten now, and let's hear no more about it. So, that's two egg mayonnaise, a prawn Goebbels, a Hermann Goering, and four Colditz salads.
 
2013-07-22 01:24:59 PM
I'M SHOCKED!

Oldiron_79:
vudukungfu: I'm sure they were just following orders.

Done in the boobies



That never gets old.
 
2013-07-22 01:25:03 PM
Remember that evidence gathered illegally is legal to use in court in Germany.
 
2013-07-22 01:26:46 PM

Jake Havechek: Basil: Listen, don't mention the war! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right. [returns to the Germans] So! It's all forgotten now, and let's hear no more about it. So, that's two egg mayonnaise, a prawn Goebbels, a Hermann Goering, and four Colditz salads.


One of my favorite sketches, especially love the walk he does after that
 
2013-07-22 01:29:11 PM
Faux News? Bad subby, I'm not clicking a troll link. Cite a real news source or GTFO.
 
2013-07-22 01:29:58 PM

Sline: griffer: Nacht und nabel.

I think you mean Nacht und Nebel. Unless you meant Night and Navel...


My typo sounds a hell of a lot more fun.

Now I want to open a strip club in Berlin called Nacht und Nabel.
 
2013-07-22 01:30:38 PM
*yawn*

whatevs
 
2013-07-22 01:30:40 PM
Newsflash: the general public is really, really stupid on the whole.
 
2013-07-22 01:31:31 PM
Scheiße!
 
2013-07-22 01:32:09 PM

gweilo8888: Faux News? Bad subby, I'm not clicking a troll link. Cite a real news source or GTFO.


what a brave and principled stance you've taken against such a popular news outlet. i'm afraid all i can offer you as a reward is this link to the original der spiegel article, which i got from the fox news link.
 
2013-07-22 01:32:35 PM
Yet still no explanation to the fanatical attention paid to David Hasselhoff in Germany.

That's just farking weird.

Haven't they ever seen him eat a cheeseburger?
 
2013-07-22 01:34:23 PM
kesseljunkie.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-22 01:34:34 PM
Merkel needs a good shoulder massage.
 
2013-07-22 01:35:44 PM
Sometimes the best spy is a German spy...

upload.wikimedia.org

Wilhelm Canaris, head of the Abwehr, Nazi Germany's military intelligence service.

He was a double agent with the British--even after they tried to kill him in 1917--from 1938 to 1945. He participated in Operation Valkyrie. He also helped keep Spain neutral and persuaded Hitler to leav Gibraltar in British hands. The SS stripped him naked and over a half an hour or so hanged him repeatedly with piano wire until finally stringing him up one last time and letting him die.

Sometimes a British spy is the worst kind...

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-07-22 01:37:23 PM
I don't think Germany gives a rat's ass whether or not anybody else thinks they're cool. Sorta like the French except without the gay berets and silly language issues. You can ignore me, I'm trolling.
 
2013-07-22 01:40:02 PM

0per: I don't think Germany gives a rat's ass whether or not anybody else thinks they're cool.


Germany is ambitious and misunderstood.
 
2013-07-22 01:41:12 PM
I didn't buy their sanctimonious moral outrage for a second.
 
2013-07-22 01:45:32 PM
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-07-22 01:47:51 PM

thurstonxhowell: I didn't buy their sanctimonious moral outrage for a second.


Their outrage was genuine. Their government, like the US government, government is heading in the wrong direction.

Now that surveillance is about absolute, what's next for governments to do?

Things are going to get alot worse before it gets better.
 
2013-07-22 01:49:32 PM

thomps: what a brave and principled stance you've taken against such a popular news outlet Republican wank rag.


Now with truthiness.

/mission accomplished
 
2013-07-22 02:04:11 PM

Darkrover2: [ts1.mm.bing.net image 257x187]
'I'm shocked...shocked to find that Germany was involved! Next you'll say France is too!!'


Heh.  I came here to post the same picture.
 
2013-07-22 02:07:05 PM
Vas der Obvioustag on Vacation?
 
2013-07-22 02:08:10 PM

J. Frank Parnell: All this crap is manufactured outrage. Now that the NSA has been dragged out into the open they've become the fall guy, but they were never acting alone.


I seem to recall someone from the German government shortly after the news broke stating that the Germans were quite pleased with the NSA in that any time they wanted information they simply asked for it and received it.

The news coming out now that they did, in fact, make use of the "service" is not surprising. I am sure many of our allies received lots of information they asked for and some of our "not quite allies" probably received suggestions as to who to look into.

/not a fan of this type of spying
 
2013-07-22 02:13:46 PM
The German sees himself as the innocent victim of world envy and hatred, conspired against, set upon by inferior peoples, inferior nations. He cannot admit to error, much less to wrongdoing, not the German. We chose to ignore Ethiopia and Spain, but we learned from our own casualty list the price of looking the other way. Men of truth everwhere have come to know for whom the bell tolled, but not the German. No! He still follows his warrior gods marching to Wagnerian strains, his eyes still fixed upon the firey sword of Siegfried, and he knows subterranean meeting places that you don't believe in. The German's dream world comes alive when he takes his place in shining armor beneath the banners of the Teutonic knights. Mankind is waiting for the Messiah, but for the German, the Messiah is not the Prince of Peace. No, he's... another Barbarossa... another Hitler.
 
2013-07-22 02:16:26 PM

slykens1: J. Frank Parnell: All this crap is manufactured outrage. Now that the NSA has been dragged out into the open they've become the fall guy, but they were never acting alone.

I seem to recall someone from the German government shortly after the news broke stating that the Germans were quite pleased with the NSA in that any time they wanted information they simply asked for it and received it.

The news coming out now that they did, in fact, make use of the "service" is not surprising. I am sure many of our allies received lots of information they asked for and some of our "not quite allies" probably received suggestions as to who to look into.

/not a fan of this type of spying


It's easy to get around any sort of legal privacy protections when you can just ask another country's spy agency to get the information for you.
 
2013-07-22 02:20:54 PM

thomps: gweilo8888: Faux News? Bad subby, I'm not clicking a troll link. Cite a real news source or GTFO.

what a brave and principled stance you've taken against such a popular news outlet. i'm afraid all i can offer you as a reward is this link to the original der spiegel article, which i got from the fox news link.



The childish gesture of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming.  Surely Fox is lying. Obama could do no wrong.  Quit committng blasphomy.
 
2013-07-22 02:24:35 PM

uber humper: thurstonxhowell: I didn't buy their sanctimonious moral outrage for a second.

Their outrage was genuine. Their government, like the US government, government is heading in the wrong direction.

Now that surveillance is about absolute, what's next for governments to do?

Things are going to get alot worse before it gets better.




I'd mine that shiat to figure out who to target for new legislation.

What a great way to make money.
 
2013-07-22 02:24:53 PM
From the real article:

According to the document, BND President Gerhard Schindler repeatedly expressed an "eagerness" to cooperate more closely with the NSA. The Germans, the document reads, were looking for "guidance and advice."

and he would like that advice in list form, please.
 
2013-07-22 02:30:10 PM

uber humper: Their outrage was genuine. Their government, like the US government, government is heading in the wrong direction.


...so, when Angela Merkel, who was aware of and eager to cooperate with the NSA's spying, said that she unaware of it and considered it a very serious incident, that was genuine outrage?
 
2013-07-22 02:46:55 PM

Nemo's Brother: The childish gesture of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming.  Surely Fox is lying. Obama could do no wrong.  Quit committng blasphomy.


Actually, it has nothing to do with Obama. I didn't vote for him, and I can't vote. I'm a permanent resident, not a citizen. And frankly, if you ask me, Obama's a failure and both the Democratic and Republican parties are two sides of the same coin. I'm not aware of an honest politician, full stop.

But Faux has nothing to do with news, and pretending it does is akin to being a Flat Earther. You just look stupid.
 
2013-07-22 02:52:57 PM
Is the Obvious tag in for questioning?
 
2013-07-22 02:57:30 PM
Oh. please.
To put things into perspective:
1.
Just look up Germany's politicians - especially the currently ruling conservatives, but not just them - in the past; they've been jizzing all over the German constitution with their wet dreams of massively shifting power towards the executive, extending surveillance and all that related crap.

2.
Given Germany's past, a lot of people - or at least "public opinion" - are pissed about stuff like this: Gestapo, Stasi, secret FISA courts and gag orders, "democratic" 3-letter-agencies abusing their power - same shiat, different piles.

3.
If you look up "flip-flop" or "opportunist" in a dictionary of German synonyms, you might find a picture of Angela Merkel.

4.
AND:
Germany's federal elections (i.e. new parliament, chancellor, government) are just two months away
 
2013-07-22 02:59:40 PM
The German people are the ones pissed off at this, I'm sure. Expect a change of government soon over this.
 
2013-07-22 03:08:13 PM

The Voice of Doom: you might find a picture of Angela Merkel.


Mmmm. Merkel porn.
 
2013-07-22 03:08:40 PM

Darkrover2: [ts1.mm.bing.net image 257x187]
'I'm shocked...shocked to find that Germany was involved! Next you'll say France is too!!'


THERE you go. Thankee, I was coming to do just this. Captain Renault, FTW.
 
2013-07-22 03:11:26 PM

vudukungfu: The Voice of Doom: you might find a picture of Angela Merkel.

Mmmm. Merkel porn.


Merkel's Merkin?
 
2013-07-22 03:11:30 PM
When the same story breaks about France, I hope subby uses the Obvious tag
 
2013-07-22 03:32:06 PM
Why do you think Putin's main condition for offering Snowden amnesty was "shut the hell up"?

I'd wager that every government in the G-8- at a minimum- was getting in on some of this action.
 
2013-07-22 03:32:11 PM
www.humorgas.com
 
2013-07-22 03:32:17 PM
Does this really surprise anyone? Friendly nations spy on each other. Part of that is keeping track of citizens. I'm not saying its right, i'm just saying thats how it is. That's life in this farked up crazy world.
 
2013-07-22 03:32:30 PM
This is one of the major ways the US has been getting around the 4th amendment legally for almost 20 yrs.  Spy on it's own citizens directly: bad.  Let others spy on US citizens and then pass the information along: good.
 
2013-07-22 03:41:55 PM
t1.gstatic.com
'I know nothing. I see nothing...'
-Sgt. Schultz.


Come on. This was obligatory.
 
2013-07-22 03:43:39 PM

Jacob_Roberson: Remember that evidence gathered illegally is legal to use in court in Germany.


And also in the US*.


*Torture exceptions as ruled by the SCOTUS.
 
2013-07-22 03:47:59 PM
www.secretsofthefed.com

Germans do it old school.
 
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