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(The Atlantic)   While you were telling all your friends how awesome Obama is for his wonderful Trayvon speech, Mr. Racial Profilng Stop-N-Frisk Islamophobe made his way to the top of Obama's shortlist for the Homeland Security cabinet gig   (theatlantic.com) divider line 98
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2013-07-22 08:50:08 AM
Well, he'll certainly never be able to beat the bang-up job Tom Ridge did, or the terrific work Bernard Kerik would have done. But, of course, all the libertarians on Fark probably won't remember those names.
 
2013-07-22 08:50:26 AM
Once again, our erstwhile media ignores the story below the fold to screech about the headline.

I absolutely  despise Ray Kelly and this Stop-And-Frisk shiat. It's racial profiling without using those dirty little words, in my estimation.
 
2013-07-22 08:51:38 AM
Separation of Morals and State

aka "Do what you gotta do."
 
2013-07-22 08:52:20 AM
It's almost like there is two ways of reducing crime in a city, either constant vigilance with stop and frisk or lock up people for 30 years for a drug charge. Pick.
 
2013-07-22 08:54:59 AM

magores: Separation of Morals and State

aka "Do what you gotta do."


I've always favored separation of morels and State, because fungus should never be a part of politics.
 
2013-07-22 08:57:41 AM

BlueDWarrior: I absolutely  despise Ray Kelly and this Stop-And-Frisk shiat. It's racial profiling without using those dirty little words, in my estimation.


The places where stop and frisk is used crime is considerable low. Chicago's crime rate has dropped this year because they started using Stop and Frisk and charging more people with gun crimes.
 
2013-07-22 08:59:14 AM
Let me guess, they are talking about Bloomberg, a rich white dude that basically wishes he was born European royalty?  His daughter jumps horses for farks sake.

Yeah, he is really representative of most liberals views.  NOT.
 
2013-07-22 09:00:05 AM
I don't think it should be any real surprise that when it comes to national security, Obama is a pretty solid authoritarian.
 
2013-07-22 09:00:31 AM

pkellmey: magores: Separation of Morals and State

aka "Do what you gotta do."

I've always favored separation of morels and State, because fungus should never be a part of politics.


Answer:  Shrooms and Politicians.

Question:  What are two things that grow out of, and feed on, bullshiat?
 
2013-07-22 09:03:11 AM

Aarontology: I don't think it should be any real surprise that when it comes to national security, Obama is a pretty solid authoritarian.


Yes, because actually killing terrorists using covert measure is so much more authoritarian than invading countries.
 
2013-07-22 09:04:46 AM

Outrageous Muff: Aarontology: I don't think it should be any real surprise that when it comes to national security, Obama is a pretty solid authoritarian.

Yes, because actually killing terrorists using covert measure is so much more authoritarian than invading countries.


I was referring to things like his resigning of the PATRIOT ACT, the NDAA, the NSA monitoring. Stuff like that.

Not his drone strikes from the skies on terrorist camps.
 
2013-07-22 09:06:49 AM

Aarontology: Outrageous Muff: Aarontology: I don't think it should be any real surprise that when it comes to national security, Obama is a pretty solid authoritarian.

Yes, because actually killing terrorists using covert measure is so much more authoritarian than invading countries.

I was referring to things like his resigning of the PATRIOT ACT, the NDAA, the NSA monitoring. Stuff like that.

Not his drone strikes from the skies on terrorist camps.


That has more to do with with the fact that most people are at level 2 on the Maslow Pyramid, with the recent economic clusterfark. I mean when does spying become a voting issue when you are stuck in a dead end job and the bank is hounding you to foreclose, etc?
 
2013-07-22 09:10:41 AM

BlueDWarrior: That has more to do with with the fact that most people are at level 2 on the Maslow Pyramid, with the recent economic clusterfark. I mean when does spying become a voting issue when you are stuck in a dead end job and the bank is hounding you to foreclose, etc?


That's what's bothersome about stuff like that. People don't care because they have more immediate issues to contend with, but when the other conditions improve, the programs have already been institutionalized.
 
2013-07-22 09:13:01 AM
I'll bet I could get a lot of Bar Mitvah and Bat Mitvah gigs for my heavy metal Klezmer Band with a name like Stop-N-Frisk Islamophobe

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2013-07-22 09:13:27 AM

Outrageous Muff: BlueDWarrior: I absolutely  despise Ray Kelly and this Stop-And-Frisk shiat. It's racial profiling without using those dirty little words, in my estimation.

The places where stop and frisk is used crime is considerable low. Chicago's crime rate has dropped this year because they started using Stop and Frisk and charging more people with gun crimes.


Chicago isn't actually stopping and frisking people without reason. They have more cops in high profile areas on foot patrol, not just anally probing people who walk around. Besides crime is down even without the additional impact zone patrols.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/chicago-police-impact-zone -f oot-patrols-expand-emanuel-mccarthy-204771671.html
 
2013-07-22 09:13:33 AM
Election - campaign on everything bad with current administration
Term 1 - do nothing
Term 2 - do everything bad that previous administration did, but don't tell anyone
 
2013-07-22 09:14:22 AM
Holy fark!  Is the goal to find the most fascist, authoritarian minded person to run that department?

DHS really needs to be disbanded.
 
2013-07-22 09:15:29 AM
While you were telling all your friends how awesome Obama is for his  w onderful Trayvon speech

It's always entertaining to get a peek into the cartoon universe of what conservatives think democrats do all day.
 
2013-07-22 09:16:24 AM

redmid17: Chicago isn't actually stopping and frisking people without reason. They have more cops in high profile areas on foot patrol, not just anally probing people who walk around. Besides crime is down even without the additional impact zone patrols.


You do realize that's what stop and frisk is right? Police aren't stopping every minority walking around New York City streets.
 
2013-07-22 09:17:23 AM
Who was telling their friends about Obamas Friday afternoon Treyvon speech? He was simply taking out the garbage.

If he wanted anyone to give a fark, he would have done it Wednesday or Thursday.
 
2013-07-22 09:19:12 AM
The guilt by association thing is getting pretty old.
 
2013-07-22 09:20:01 AM
Profiling isn't racist, it's smart.
 
2013-07-22 09:20:46 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Chicago isn't actually stopping and frisking people without reason. They have more cops in high profile areas on foot patrol, not just anally probing people who walk around. Besides crime is down even without the additional impact zone patrols.

You do realize that's what stop and frisk is right? Police aren't stopping every minority walking around New York City streets.


Yes what is happening in Chicago and what is happening in NYC are not the same thing. I can promise you that.
 
2013-07-22 09:21:47 AM

theknuckler_33: The guilt by association thing is getting pretty old.


Stop and frisk is bad because it's profiling!

OMG the airport security is an invasion of civil liberties! They really need to start profiling people!
 
2013-07-22 09:24:06 AM

redmid17: Yes what is happening in Chicago and what is happening in NYC are not the same thing. I can promise you that.


Because New York never had a large gang problem fueled by drugs and a police dept ill-equipped to handle it.
 
2013-07-22 09:25:27 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Yes what is happening in Chicago and what is happening in NYC are not the same thing. I can promise you that.

Because New York never had a large gang problem fueled by drugs and a police dept ill-equipped to handle it.


Are you an idiot or just trolling in the morning

Stop and Frisk =/= Police Impact Zones

You know, the point you brought up and I corrected you on.
 
2013-07-22 09:26:06 AM
It's called misdirection... the same technique confidence men and magicians have been using for millenia.
 
2013-07-22 09:27:30 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: It's called misdirection... the same technique confidence men and magicians have been using for millenia.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-07-22 09:29:00 AM

pkellmey: magores: Separation of Morals and State

aka "Do what you gotta do."

I've always favored separation of morels and State, because fungus should never be a part of politics.


You're right.  It degrades the status of fungi unfairly.
 
2013-07-22 09:30:25 AM

redmid17: Are you an idiot or just trolling in the morning

Stop and Frisk =/= Police Impact Zones

You know, the point you brought up and I corrected you on.


Again, Police Impact Zones come first to pacify the crime in an area, then stop and frisk is used to maintain that level of lower crime. Then what really drives out crime in areas is that the cost of rent goes up in those areas, forcing people to move out.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-22 09:31:31 AM

Outrageous Muff: Aarontology: I don't think it should be any real surprise that when it comes to national security, Obama is a pretty solid authoritarian.

Yes, because actually killing terrorists using covert measure is so much more authoritarian than invading countries.


But George Bush didn't like terrorists, so that means that they are good.
 
2013-07-22 09:32:20 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Are you an idiot or just trolling in the morning

Stop and Frisk =/= Police Impact Zones

You know, the point you brought up and I corrected you on.

Again, Police Impact Zones come first to pacify the crime in an area, then stop and frisk is used to maintain that level of lower crime. Then what really drives out crime in areas is that the cost of rent goes up in those areas, forcing people to move out.


Yeah, this is why a lot of people argue for gentrification to be the ultimate quell-er of crime. Although gentrification comes at the cost of compacting or entirely displacing poorer populations.

Eventually we start running out of places to house all the poor people without throwing them all on the street (unless you like the idea of revisiting the idea of the housing project).
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-22 09:32:58 AM

Outrageous Muff: Again, Police Impact Zones come first to pacify the crime in an area, then stop and frisk is used to maintain that level of lower crime. Then what really drives out crime in areas is that the cost of rent goes up in those areas, forcing people to move out.


So run out the lower income people to bring down crime?  Interesting proposal.
 
2013-07-22 09:33:15 AM

vpb: But George Bush didn't like terrorists, so that means that they are good.


He loved terrorists because they gave him the excuse he needed to kill the guy who tried to kill his daddy like a good WASP
 
2013-07-22 09:34:39 AM

BlueDWarrior: Yeah, this is why a lot of people argue for gentrification to be the ultimate quell-er of crime. Although gentrification comes at the cost of compacting or entirely displacing poorer populations.

Eventually we start running out of places to house all the poor people without throwing them all on the street (unless you like the idea of revisiting the idea of the housing project).


Looks like someone was listening on their first day of Summer Course: Urban Planning 101
 
2013-07-22 09:35:16 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Are you an idiot or just trolling in the morning

Stop and Frisk =/= Police Impact Zones

You know, the point you brought up and I corrected you on.

Again, Police Impact Zones come first to pacify the crime in an area, then stop and frisk is used to maintain that level of lower crime. Then what really drives out crime in areas is that the cost of rent goes up in those areas, forcing people to move out.


Stop and Frisk is not being used in Chicago at all. There was an op/ed about but it will not be implemented. Rahm hasn't even allowed for discussion on it. Your original post was that Chicago was using Stop and Frisk, which they are not.

"....Chicago's crime rate has dropped this year because they started using Stop and Frisk and charging more people with gun crimes. "
 
2013-07-22 09:37:10 AM

redmid17: Stop and Frisk is not being used in Chicago at all. There was an op/ed about but it will not be implemented. Rahm hasn't even allowed for discussion on it. Your original post was that Chicago was using Stop and Frisk, which they are not.

"....Chicago's crime rate has dropped this year because they started using Stop and Frisk and charging more people with gun crimes. "


So they aren't using stop and frisk, cops are just halting people they deem suspicious and questioning them about their actions. Totally different.
 
2013-07-22 09:46:56 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Stop and Frisk is not being used in Chicago at all. There was an op/ed about but it will not be implemented. Rahm hasn't even allowed for discussion on it. Your original post was that Chicago was using Stop and Frisk, which they are not.

"....Chicago's crime rate has dropped this year because they started using Stop and Frisk and charging more people with gun crimes. "

So they aren't using stop and frisk, cops are just halting people they deem suspicious and questioning them about their actions. Totally different.


The mental gymnastics involved for a modern liberal in the US.
 
2013-07-22 10:02:21 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Stop and Frisk is not being used in Chicago at all. There was an op/ed about but it will not be implemented. Rahm hasn't even allowed for discussion on it. Your original post was that Chicago was using Stop and Frisk, which they are not.

"....Chicago's crime rate has dropped this year because they started using Stop and Frisk and charging more people with gun crimes. "

So they aren't using stop and frisk, cops are just halting people they deem suspicious and questioning them about their actions. Totally different.


No they are arresting people they can actually arrest, not randomly stopping people they see suspicious. They are not just being detained, frisked, and sent for warrant.

Nemo's Brother: Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Stop and Frisk is not being used in Chicago at all. There was an op/ed about but it will not be implemented. Rahm hasn't even allowed for discussion on it. Your original post was that Chicago was using Stop and Frisk, which they are not.

"....Chicago's crime rate has dropped this year because they started using Stop and Frisk and charging more people with gun crimes. "

So they aren't using stop and frisk, cops are just halting people they deem suspicious and questioning them about their actions. Totally different.

The mental gymnastics involved for a modern liberal in the US.


If you think I'm a modern liberal, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-07-22 10:03:33 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Profiling isn't racist, it's smart.


Let me ask you - are you saying Zimmerman was smart, or dumb?
 
2013-07-22 10:04:34 AM

magores: Separation of Morals and State

aka "Do what you gotta do."


Folks we have an early contender for dumbest shill in the thread. I bet it was a super profound moment when you read it on that bumper sticker at the head shop.
 
2013-07-22 10:09:18 AM

vygramul: Popcorn Johnny: Profiling isn't racist, it's smart.

Let me ask you - are you saying Zimmerman was smart, or dumb?


Oh, here we go again. You didn't even watch the trial did you?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-22 10:14:50 AM

vygramul: Popcorn Johnny: Profiling isn't racist, it's smart.

Let me ask you - are you saying Zimmerman was smart, or dumb?


Do you even know what the word means?
 
2013-07-22 10:26:09 AM

BlueDWarrior: Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Are you an idiot or just trolling in the morning

Stop and Frisk =/= Police Impact Zones

You know, the point you brought up and I corrected you on.

Again, Police Impact Zones come first to pacify the crime in an area, then stop and frisk is used to maintain that level of lower crime. Then what really drives out crime in areas is that the cost of rent goes up in those areas, forcing people to move out.

Yeah, this is why a lot of people argue for gentrification to be the ultimate quell-er of crime. Although gentrification comes at the cost of compacting or entirely displacing poorer populations.

Eventually we start running out of places to house all the poor people without throwing them all on the street (unless you like the idea of revisiting the idea of the housing project).



heatherclemenceau.files.wordpress.com

These boxes are kind of compact.
 
2013-07-22 10:32:59 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Profiling isn't racist, it's smart.

*

Offer not valid for Tea Party groups filing for IRS tax exemptions
 
2013-07-22 10:33:42 AM
I have this to ask defenders of stop and frisk:

If it's such a smart and effective policy, how come it produces a sub 20% arrest rate, with most arrests for drug possession? If profiling minorities is such a great idea, how come stop and frisk isn't turning up more weapons?

The only thing stop and frisk has proven is that most of the "suspicious" people stopped are innocent of any crime.

In any case, nobody who thinks stop and frisk is either moral or effective should be allowed in any position where they have police authority. That Obama would support such a doofus doesn't surprise me (the drone president, being authoritarian?), but it sadly reflects the reality of America today.
 
2013-07-22 10:36:06 AM

adamatari: I have this to ask defenders of stop and frisk:

If it's such a smart and effective policy, how come it produces a sub 20% arrest rate, with most arrests for drug possession? If profiling minorities is such a great idea, how come stop and frisk isn't turning up more weapons?

The only thing stop and frisk has proven is that most of the "suspicious" people stopped are innocent of any crime.

In any case, nobody who thinks stop and frisk is either moral or effective should be allowed in any position where they have police authority. That Obama would support such a doofus doesn't surprise me (the drone president, being authoritarian?), but it sadly reflects the reality of America today.


In their defense, they find weapons like almost one out of every thousand stops too.

/stop and frisk is an abortion
 
2013-07-22 10:36:26 AM

adamatari: I have this to ask defenders of stop and frisk:

If it's such a smart and effective policy, how come it produces a sub 20% arrest rate, with most arrests for drug possession? If profiling minorities is such a great idea, how come stop and frisk isn't turning up more weapons?

The only thing stop and frisk has proven is that most of the "suspicious" people stopped are innocent of any crime.

In any case, nobody who thinks stop and frisk is either moral or effective should be allowed in any position where they have police authority. That Obama would support such a doofus doesn't surprise me (the drone president, being authoritarian?), but it sadly reflects the reality of America today.


We get it, he's black.
 
2013-07-22 10:41:35 AM
Part of the reason I have no confidence in Obama stopping Keystone XL, despite his recent speech on climate change.
 
2013-07-22 10:48:40 AM

vygramul: Popcorn Johnny: Profiling isn't racist, it's smart.

Let me ask you - are you saying Zimmerman was smart, or dumb?


Let me ask you - are you still holding on to the ridiculous assumption that Zim called the police because he saw a black guy in his neighborhood?
 
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