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2013-07-22 08:38:57 AM
I am in favor of open borders.  There shouldn't be any restriction on movement throughout the world.
 
2013-07-22 08:39:13 AM
What a whipped coward.
 
2013-07-22 08:40:09 AM
Man, if I sucked at my job as bad as Boehner sucks at his, I would have been fired a long time ago.
 
2013-07-22 08:41:37 AM

Alphax: What a whipped coward.


Look at the picture in the article, the man on the right is just waiting to swoop in and take over and implement real Republican values not like the Obama apologist Bohner
 
2013-07-22 08:42:47 AM
Why, exactly, aside from a check for outstanding warrants/felonies and for TB, do we have restrictions on immigration? When did this shiat start, anyhow? Used to be you just showed up in town, built or bought a house/business, and that was that.
 
2013-07-22 08:43:09 AM
That's because saying what they actually want would be political suicide.

Also, some of them are crazy.
 
2013-07-22 08:43:57 AM
"We should not be judged by how many new laws we create. We ought to be judged on how many laws we repeal," Boehner said.

And how's that repeal of PPACA going again Johnny?
 
2013-07-22 08:44:11 AM

MattStafford: I am in favor of open borders.  There shouldn't be any restriction on movement throughout the world.


Why?

Can you identify any nations that follow this concept and don't enforce any immigration/emmigration controls?  If so, can you identify any that are countries you'd be happy to live in (i.e. are 'good' places to be in your opinion)?

I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.
 
2013-07-22 08:44:48 AM

Alphax: What a whipped coward.


Oh, he's been a total pussy this weekend.

Boehner says we should judge Congress by the number of laws it repeals, not passes. Which is odd, because he's repealed exactly... Zero laws this session
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/21/19596802-boehner-jud ge -congress-by-how-many-laws-it-repeals-not-passes
 
2013-07-22 08:45:33 AM

MattStafford: I am in favor of open borders.  There shouldn't be any restriction on movement throughout the world.


Well, there is no restriction on movement... if you're rich.

Open borders, with the class structure as it is, just means rich people can up and move to other countries easier.

I mean, an in-country example. I probably should move to Austin or some other relatively low-cost high-tech city where I can use my CS Degree far better than I can in Baton Rouge (at the moment). What is stopping me? The fact that I have next to no money to support said moving costs. I'd basically be trying to get a job while living on the street, and good luck with that.
 
2013-07-22 08:47:50 AM

mattharvest: Why?

Can you identify any nations that follow this concept and don't enforce any immigration/emmigration controls?  If so, can you identify any that are countries you'd be happy to live in (i.e. are 'good' places to be in your opinion)?

I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.


Just because something hasn't occurred in the past doesn't mean it isn't a goal to strive for.  I'm in favor of it because an increased population creates a more productive society, allowing us to maximize our gains from trade.  We would certainly need to rework the vast majority of our domestic policies prior to opening our borders, but I still think it is a good goal to strive for.  I mean, we're all floating pointlessly on this rock together, right?
 
2013-07-22 08:48:34 AM
FTFA: John Boehner, the Republican speaker of the House of Representatives, refused on Sunday to say whether a comprehensive immigration overhaul should include a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, declaring that the House debate is "not about me".

I'll have to try this one at work.  I'm sure it'll go swimmingly.

"Funkenstein, have you completed that memo I asked you to do?"

"Whoah...hey, now.  This isn't about me."

"GTFO."
 
2013-07-22 08:48:50 AM

Summercat: Why, exactly, aside from a check for outstanding warrants/felonies and for TB, do we have restrictions on immigration? When did this shiat start, anyhow? Used to be you just showed up in town, built or bought a house/business, and that was that.


You are grossly misinformed. Immigration restrictions go way back. Check out the harsh laws against Chinese immigrants in the late 1800's. Some of the bullshiat laws spawned case law that's STILL part of immigration policy.

It's a messed up set of laws worse than pretty much any other. Yes, even worse than tax law. But it's not new.
 
2013-07-22 08:49:44 AM

Summercat: Why, exactly, aside from a check for outstanding warrants/felonies and for TB, do we have restrictions on immigration? When did this shiat start, anyhow? Used to be you just showed up in town, built or bought a house/business, and that was that.


Free Stuff.  Study it out.
 
2013-07-22 08:54:08 AM

mattharvest: I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.


Early in the history of the United States, we essentially had open borders. That's where that whole Ellis Island mythos stems from: People would show up, fill out a form stating their name and occupation, and they were let right on in.

And while I don't necessarily agree with the idea of open borders, we still do have them in other respects: With many countries there is the free flow of goods, and there is the free flow of capital. Borders (considering trade agreements and the like) are open for those two things. There is also the flow of labor in a sense, but only outward for things like outsourcing.

The restriction on the free flow of labor, when there is free flow of goods and capital, skews the market pretty significantly. Especially if you're supportive of free market capitalism.
 
2013-07-22 08:55:45 AM
Boehner is proud to be the leader of the least productive House in the history of the US. He is standing up for rich white America and their work ethic. These fools who work for a living, the most productive workforce in our history, are saps. Saps, I tells ya! Especially those brown people with their three jobs and the lowest crime rates in our communities. 

¿Como se dice saps en español?
 
2013-07-22 08:59:57 AM
Obvious tag on vacation?  Honestly though, when was the last time we had a speaker who was so incapable of keeping their party in line?  I suspect the last time it was this bad, the Whigs were still a major party.
 
2013-07-22 09:00:15 AM

Aarontology: mattharvest: I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.

Early in the history of the United States, we essentially had open borders. That's where that whole Ellis Island mythos stems from: People would show up, fill out a form stating their name and occupation, and they were let right on in.

And while I don't necessarily agree with the idea of open borders, we still do have them in other respects: With many countries there is the free flow of goods, and there is the free flow of capital. Borders (considering trade agreements and the like) are open for those two things. There is also the flow of labor in a sense, but only outward for things like outsourcing.

The restriction on the free flow of labor, when there is free flow of goods and capital, skews the market pretty significantly. Especially if you're supportive of free market capitalism.


The problem with the free flow of goods and the free flow of capital and the free flow of labor is that it is extremely difficult to move people around quickly. We'd need a total revolution in international travel and get it to be dirt cheap before "free flow of labor" becomes a viable political avenue to pursue. Right now the only people who can freely move from country to country are the one percent of the global population that can afford multiple properties and constant plane travel.
 
2013-07-22 09:02:38 AM

BlueDWarrior: The problem with the free flow of goods and the free flow of capital and the free flow of labor is that it is extremely difficult to move people around quickly. We'd need a total revolution in international travel and get it to be dirt cheap before "free flow of labor" becomes a viable political avenue to pursue. Right now the only people who can freely move from country to country are the one percent of the global population that can afford multiple properties and constant plane travel.


I think that (at least for the United States) is that we only share borders with two other countries. But because of the geography, that is a good point.

But the amount of illegal immigrants in the country shows that (at least on our hemisphere) it's not really all that difficult. Dealing with the cartels and the southern desert aside, that is. But for folks in Europe or Africa or something, it is a lot more costly.
 
2013-07-22 09:13:38 AM

Aarontology: BlueDWarrior: The problem with the free flow of goods and the free flow of capital and the free flow of labor is that it is extremely difficult to move people around quickly. We'd need a total revolution in international travel and get it to be dirt cheap before "free flow of labor" becomes a viable political avenue to pursue. Right now the only people who can freely move from country to country are the one percent of the global population that can afford multiple properties and constant plane travel.

I think that (at least for the United States) is that we only share borders with two other countries. But because of the geography, that is a good point.

But the amount of illegal immigrants in the country shows that (at least on our hemisphere) it's not really all that difficult. Dealing with the cartels and the southern desert aside, that is. But for folks in Europe or Africa or something, it is a lot more costly.


well, to go back to my earlier example. I could get up and move to Austin right now but I don't have enough extra capital to establish myself. So unless I moved straight into a shelter with permanent amenities I'd have to quickly get used to living on the street. That is only a mild step below where most illegal immigrants are. So yeah they can physically move themselves here, but the lack of capital to invest in self-rooting and the lack of paperwork to get above-board employment means we end up with a underclass.

And that gets into a whole other kettle of fish as an issue: how do you deal with your domestic and foreign underclass?
(and you will always have an underclass so long as you have economic stratification, someone has to be on the relative bottom)
 
2013-07-22 09:14:48 AM

Aarontology: mattharvest: I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.

Early in the history of the United States, we essentially had open borders. That's where that whole Ellis Island mythos stems from: People would show up, fill out a form stating their name and occupation, and they were let right on in.

And while I don't necessarily agree with the idea of open borders, we still do have them in other respects: With many countries there is the free flow of goods, and there is the free flow of capital. Borders (considering trade agreements and the like) are open for those two things. There is also the flow of labor in a sense, but only outward for things like outsourcing.

The restriction on the free flow of labor, when there is free flow of goods and capital, skews the market pretty significantly. Especially if you're supportive of free market capitalism.


That free immigration basically stopped not too incredibly long after the physical expansion of the US stopped. I don't think it coincidental.
 
2013-07-22 09:15:54 AM
Worst Speaker in at least the last 40 years. At least Gingrich had control of his own coalition.
 
2013-07-22 09:18:17 AM

Deneb81: Aarontology: mattharvest: I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.

Early in the history of the United States, we essentially had open borders. That's where that whole Ellis Island mythos stems from: People would show up, fill out a form stating their name and occupation, and they were let right on in.

And while I don't necessarily agree with the idea of open borders, we still do have them in other respects: With many countries there is the free flow of goods, and there is the free flow of capital. Borders (considering trade agreements and the like) are open for those two things. There is also the flow of labor in a sense, but only outward for things like outsourcing.

The restriction on the free flow of labor, when there is free flow of goods and capital, skews the market pretty significantly. Especially if you're supportive of free market capitalism.

That free immigration basically stopped not too incredibly long after the physical expansion of the US stopped. I don't think it coincidental.


Then the choice is clear. We must conquer the Underdark!
 
2013-07-22 09:18:30 AM
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The mute Speaker, with spray tan and alcoholism.
 
2013-07-22 09:21:52 AM
Can he at least cry for us?
 
2013-07-22 09:28:34 AM
following one of the most powerful speakers ever is a tough job, especially if you're an orange blubbering pussy.
 
2013-07-22 09:37:51 AM

FlashHarry: following one of the most powerful speakers ever is a tough job, especially if you're an orange blubbering pussy.


Everytime I see him, I can't help but think of the orange that sang that aria from Carmen on Sesame Street. I wonder if I can find a video for that. It was one of my favorite bits growing up.
 
2013-07-22 09:38:03 AM
"If I come out and say, 'I'm for this and I'm for that,' all I'm doing is making my job harder," he said.

"because most of my caucus hates me, and that bastard Cantor is always looking for ways to stab me in the back.", The Speaker continued before tacking a swig from his pocket flask.
 
2013-07-22 09:40:05 AM

ginandbacon: FlashHarry: following one of the most powerful speakers ever is a tough job, especially if you're an orange blubbering pussy.

Everytime I see him, I can't help but think of the orange that sang that aria from Carmen on Sesame Street. I wonder if I can find a video for that. It was one of my favorite bits growing up.


This one :)
 
2013-07-22 09:43:44 AM

ginandbacon: ginandbacon: FlashHarry: following one of the most powerful speakers ever is a tough job, especially if you're an orange blubbering pussy.

Everytime I see him, I can't help but think of the orange that sang that aria from Carmen on Sesame Street. I wonder if I can find a video for that. It was one of my favorite bits growing up.

This one :)


Wow. I had forgotten about that.
 
2013-07-22 09:45:09 AM

Deneb81: Summercat: Why, exactly, aside from a check for outstanding warrants/felonies and for TB, do we have restrictions on immigration? When did this shiat start, anyhow? Used to be you just showed up in town, built or bought a house/business, and that was that.

You are grossly misinformed. Immigration restrictions go way back. Check out the harsh laws against Chinese immigrants in the late 1800's. Some of the bullshiat laws spawned case law that's STILL part of immigration policy.

It's a messed up set of laws worse than pretty much any other. Yes, even worse than tax law. But it's not new.


I didn't mean to imply it was new, although in all honesty, I should have stated I was thinking of around the time of the 1850s-1870s.
 
2013-07-22 10:14:12 AM
In other words, he still won't allow a vote, because he doesn't know on which side his bread is buttered anymore.

This guy's a failure. And people hated Pelosi? That lady at least got some sh*t done.
 
2013-07-22 10:15:28 AM
Just starting to get to the good bits of the GOP Un-Civil War.
 
2013-07-22 10:17:53 AM

Alphax: ginandbacon: ginandbacon: FlashHarry: following one of the most powerful speakers ever is a tough job, especially if you're an orange blubbering pussy.

Everytime I see him, I can't help but think of the orange that sang that aria from Carmen on Sesame Street. I wonder if I can find a video for that. It was one of my favorite bits growing up.

This one :)

Wow. I had forgotten about that.


Isn't it great?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-22 10:20:44 AM

mattharvest: Why?

Can you identify any nations that follow this concept and don't enforce any immigration/emmigration controls?  If so, can you identify any that are countries you'd be happy to live in (i.e. are 'good' places to be in your opinion)?

I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.


Somalia.  Pretty much any third world country that can't afford to patrol it's borders.
 
2013-07-22 10:24:18 AM

mattharvest: MattStafford: I am in favor of open borders.  There shouldn't be any restriction on movement throughout the world.

Why?

Can you identify any nations that follow this concept and don't enforce any immigration/emmigration controls?  If so, can you identify any that are countries you'd be happy to live in (i.e. are 'good' places to be in your opinion)?

I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.


newsimg.bbc.co.uk

Belgium and Nederland send their regards, as do most of the rest of Europe.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-22 10:25:09 AM

MattStafford: Just because something hasn't occurred in the past doesn't mean it isn't a goal to strive for.  I'm in favor of it because an increased population creates a more productive society, allowing us to maximize our gains from trade.  We would certainly need to rework the vast majority of our domestic policies prior to opening our borders, but I still think it is a good goal to strive for.  I mean, we're all floating pointlessly on this rock together, right?


Maybe not if it was a good thing.  That would be a disaster.

Maybe you were thinking long term after the rest of the world has caught up with us in development?

And where did you get the idea that overpopulation would make us more productive?  That's kind of bizarre.
 
2013-07-22 10:26:18 AM
The D's need to plaster the television with boehner and friends calling for the senate to start things off with a comprehensive bill (I think that was last fall's talking point). Then immediately follow that with bullshiat like this.
 
2013-07-22 10:38:03 AM
In the article's picture, why are they standing in front of a podium with a big GOP.GOV/JOBS banner when the GOP's efforts have done nothing to help create jobs?
 
2013-07-22 10:47:14 AM
That's your job you pig farking imbecile.  I hope your followers pull you from your office and pistol whip you until you understand how big of a god damned failure you and your time as speaker has been.  Your ancestors will curse you for shaming them and their name for decades to come, and citizens will openly mock you wherever you go, you farking swine.
 
2013-07-22 10:47:27 AM

Muta: In the article's picture, why are they standing in front of a podium with a big GOP.GOV/JOBS banner when the GOP's efforts have done nothing to help create jobs?


because they believe if they just talk about creating jobs, that's enough.
for some moderates and a lot of conservatives, it is, indeed, enough.
 
2013-07-22 10:49:34 AM

Lost Thought 00: Worst Speaker in at least the last 40 years. At least Gingrich had control of his own coalition.


And at least Gingrich was able to compromise with the other party and a sitting Democrat in the White House.  People can hate on Gingrich and Clinton all they want, but at least shiat got done.

The past five years have been a complete clusterfark thanks to the GOP and their whole "if'n he's for it, I'm agin it" policy with Obama.
 
2013-07-22 10:53:03 AM

vpb: And where did you get the idea that overpopulation would make us more productive?  That's kind of bizarre.


There is a reason why China produces more than Mongolia.
 
2013-07-22 11:02:20 AM
Boehner is the most useless Speaker in history.  People complain about Pelosi, but she got more shiat done in two years than Boehner has in 3.
 
2013-07-22 11:06:59 AM

MattStafford: vpb: And where did you get the idea that overpopulation would make us more productive?  That's kind of bizarre.

There is a reason why China produces more than Mongolia.


Lack of any kind of labor regulations?
 
2013-07-22 11:31:03 AM

King Something: mattharvest: MattStafford: I am in favor of open borders.  There shouldn't be any restriction on movement throughout the world.

Why?

Can you identify any nations that follow this concept and don't enforce any immigration/emmigration controls?  If so, can you identify any that are countries you'd be happy to live in (i.e. are 'good' places to be in your opinion)?

I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.

[newsimg.bbc.co.uk image 466x240]

Belgium and Nederland send their regards, as do most of the rest of Europe.


Belgium and Netherlands do not have "open borders".  Both have Schengen travel.  For example, here's the language from Belgium's site.

"Citizens of the United States traveling to Belgium must have a valid passport (that does not expire before the end of their visit), but do not require a visa for stays of less than 90 days within a six-month period.Other travelers may apply for a Schengen visa, which allows them to enter Belgium or another Schengen country and then to travel freely throughout the Schengen zone for a period not to exceed 90 days."

http://www.diplobel.us/TravelingBelgium/Visas/Visitors.asp
 
2013-07-22 11:58:23 AM
All this came about because Boehner doesn't want to talk about immigration and instead "let the House work its will." I'd love to see the bill that could win tea party support. It would likely be Arizona SB5 on steroids.
 
2013-07-22 12:05:22 PM

mattharvest: MattStafford: I am in favor of open borders.  There shouldn't be any restriction on movement throughout the world.

Why?

Can you identify any nations that follow this concept and don't enforce any immigration/emmigration controls?  If so, can you identify any that are countries you'd be happy to live in (i.e. are 'good' places to be in your opinion)?

I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.


Each of the fifty states does.  Why is the imaginary line between the US and Mexico more important than, let's say, the imaginary line between California and Arizona?

//well, I guess Hawaii doesn't, not really.
 
2013-07-22 12:08:30 PM

Arkanaut: mattharvest: MattStafford: I am in favor of open borders.  There shouldn't be any restriction on movement throughout the world.

Why?

Can you identify any nations that follow this concept and don't enforce any immigration/emmigration controls?  If so, can you identify any that are countries you'd be happy to live in (i.e. are 'good' places to be in your opinion)?

I'm not aware of any nation in the history of the world having 'open borders'.

Each of the fifty states does.  Why is the imaginary line between the US and Mexico more important than, let's say, the imaginary line between California and Arizona?

//well, I guess Hawaii doesn't, not really.


Work on the definition of "nation".

Among other things, US/Mexico don't share law on virtually all issues (e.g. civil rights, commercial paper, taxes) not to mention there aren't any law enforcement agencies that can work in both areas.
 
2013-07-22 12:10:45 PM

mattharvest: Among other things, US/Mexico don't share law on virtually all issues (e.g. civil rights, commercial paper, taxes) not to mention there aren't any law enforcement agencies that can work in both areas.


Yet somehow US businesses manage to operate in Mexico despite your claim that their laws are completely incompatible with ours.
 
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