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(Guardian)   Chris Froome will enjoy his Tour de France win until a better drug test becomes available   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 30
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2013-07-22 08:52:45 AM  
You mean people still care about the Tour de Roide
 
2013-07-22 09:03:01 AM  
 
2013-07-22 09:04:50 AM  
He's not American, so he probably won't be scrutinized.  That said, even if he is on PED's, he'd have to know by now not to be stupid and dip into the well several times and be a complete cockwad about it.
 
2013-07-22 09:45:46 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: That said, even if he is on PED's,


Given how much times for various stages have slowed over the last couple Tours, if they're still doping then they're doping on double lattes and chocolate covered coffee beans. When the time for a single climb goes up 15 minutes in 4 years? Something has changed.
 
2013-07-22 09:52:40 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Nana's Vibrator: That said, even if he is on PED's,

Given how much times for various stages have slowed over the last couple Tours, if they're still doping then they're doping on double lattes and chocolate covered coffee beans. When the time for a single climb goes up 15 minutes in 4 years? Something has changed.


^This.

Also, they analyzed Froome's performances from the last couple of years and there have been no spikes. I'm sure some are still doping however I do believe that it's getting cleaner.
 
2013-07-22 10:13:56 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Nana's Vibrator: That said, even if he is on PED's,

Given how much times for various stages have slowed over the last couple Tours, if they're still doping then they're doping on double lattes and chocolate covered coffee beans. When the time for a single climb goes up 15 minutes in 4 years? Something has changed.


I blame global warming.  Hotter air = less dense air = less available oxygen.
 
2013-07-22 10:17:58 AM  
The tour needs to always end at dusk. That was something to watch.

Glenford: WhyteRaven74: Nana's Vibrator: That said, even if he is on PED's,

Given how much times for various stages have slowed over the last couple Tours, if they're still doping then they're doping on double lattes and chocolate covered coffee beans. When the time for a single climb goes up 15 minutes in 4 years? Something has changed.

^This.

Also, they analyzed Froome's performances from the last couple of years and there have been no spikes. I'm sure some are still doping however I do believe that it's getting cleaner.


You also need to take into account the mountains. There were some very grueling mountain stages this year.
 
2013-07-22 10:20:23 AM  

Glenford: Also, they analyzed Froome's performances from the last couple of years and there have been no spikes.


And the times for all riders on climbs, even the moderate ones are way up. For the really huge climbs, the times have really gone up, like I said 15 minutes and in some cases more. The stuff that most helped riders was stuff that aided with the ability of the blood to carry oxygen and the ability of the body to use it and that stuff was the hardest to catch owing to the creation of various masking agents and even apparently masking agents for masking agents. But given that biochemists are very crafty people, they found out how to spot the stuff. And also overall testing protocols have improved with riders being subject to random testing with no notice all through the year.
 
2013-07-22 10:23:06 AM  

KingKauff: . There were some very grueling mountain stages this year.


This year's Tour was absolutely sadistic when it came to climbs, putting two of the toughest climbs that ever appear on the Tour four days apart? And having the riders do the second one twice? That's just insane.
 
2013-07-22 10:37:08 AM  

dittybopper: WhyteRaven74: Nana's Vibrator: That said, even if he is on PED's,

Given how much times for various stages have slowed over the last couple Tours, if they're still doping then they're doping on double lattes and chocolate covered coffee beans. When the time for a single climb goes up 15 minutes in 4 years? Something has changed.

I blame global warming.  Hotter air = less dense air = less available oxygen.


Not me.  I blame drug testers.  They ruin everything they touch.
 
2013-07-22 11:05:32 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Glenford: Also, they analyzed Froome's performances from the last couple of years and there have been no spikes.

And the times for all riders on climbs, even the moderate ones are way up. For the really huge climbs, the times have really gone up, like I said 15 minutes and in some cases more. The stuff that most helped riders was stuff that aided with the ability of the blood to carry oxygen and the ability of the body to use it and that stuff was the hardest to catch owing to the creation of various masking agents and even apparently masking agents for masking agents. But given that biochemists are very crafty people, they found out how to spot the stuff. And also overall testing protocols have improved with riders being subject to random testing with no notice all through the year.


The bio passport has done wonders to clean up sport.
 
2013-07-22 11:07:44 AM  

WhyteRaven74: KingKauff: . There were some very grueling mountain stages this year.

This year's Tour was absolutely sadistic when it came to climbs, putting two of the toughest climbs that ever appear on the Tour four days apart? And having the riders do the second one twice? That's just insane.


That was spectacularly awesome. Especially the Mont Ventoux finish
 
2013-07-22 11:29:22 AM  

WhyteRaven74: This year's Tour was absolutely sadistic when it came to climbs, putting two of the toughest climbs that ever appear on the Tour four days apart? And having the riders do the second one twice? That's just insane.


You gotta admit it was pretty cool.

Somewhere along the line I heard one of the commentators mention that Chris already answered people who thought he was doping this year with a response along the lines of "I am not, STFU" in a rather polite British way of saying it.
 
2013-07-22 11:37:20 AM  

DanZero: WhyteRaven74: This year's Tour was absolutely sadistic when it came to climbs, putting two of the toughest climbs that ever appear on the Tour four days apart? And having the riders do the second one twice? That's just insane.

You gotta admit it was pretty cool.

Somewhere along the line I heard one of the commentators mention that Chris already answered people who thought he was doping this year with a response along the lines of "I am not, STFU" in a rather polite British way of saying it.


By 2020 (or whenever the statute of limitations runs out) we'll know for sure.

Maybe they could just hold off declaring a winner until WADA and the USADA can no longer intervene.
 
2013-07-22 11:43:52 AM  

KingKauff: WhyteRaven74: KingKauff: . There were some very grueling mountain stages this year.

This year's Tour was absolutely sadistic when it came to climbs, putting two of the toughest climbs that ever appear on the Tour four days apart? And having the riders do the second one twice? That's just insane.

That was spectacularly awesome. Especially the Mont Ventoux finish


I'm going to France late this August for 9 days... 3 nights in Paris, 3 nights in the Alps and 3 nights in Nice. The alps part of the trip is solely for me to climb Alpe d'Huez twice (once on each day) so I'm having a kick out of these replies...

/ The other parts of the trip is to enjoy France with the wife.
 
2013-07-22 12:23:23 PM  
Who?
 
2013-07-22 12:45:40 PM  
I think it is pretty obvious that this was the cleanest  tour in years, and also the most exciting one in years as a result. Eventhough it was clear that Froome was the best from the beginning, a lot of unexpected happenings, exciting young talents coming forward, and great mountain stages.
 
2013-07-22 12:51:07 PM  
I am already looking forward to next year's tour. Quintana is only 23 or so, while most rider are at their top at 30, he will be able to win the tour if he continues like this. Kwiatkowski and Talansky are huge talents, and people like Mollema, Fuglsang, Kreuziger and Rui Costa are also still growing.
 
2013-07-22 01:13:41 PM  

WhyteRaven74: KingKauff: . There were some very grueling mountain stages this year.

This year's Tour was absolutely sadistic when it came to climbs, putting two of the toughest climbs that ever appear on the Tour four days apart? And having the riders do the second one twice? That's just insane.


Knowing nothing about cycling, I always figured they ran the same course every year. They really change it up?
 
2013-07-22 01:14:03 PM  

bikkurikun: I think it is pretty obvious that this was the cleanest  tour in years, and also the most exciting one in years as a result. Eventhough it was clear that Froome was the best from the beginning, a lot of unexpected happenings, exciting young talents coming forward, and great mountain stages.


Watching the way Froome dominated the TTs and mountains was eerily reminiscent of Armstrong.  I wouldn't be bragging that this was a clean tour.
 
2013-07-22 01:40:28 PM  

Lost Thought 00: WhyteRaven74: KingKauff: . There were some very grueling mountain stages this year.

This year's Tour was absolutely sadistic when it came to climbs, putting two of the toughest climbs that ever appear on the Tour four days apart? And having the riders do the second one twice? That's just insane.

Knowing nothing about cycling, I always figured they ran the same course every year. They really change it up?


Yes. Next year, the first three stages will be held in the UK.
 
2013-07-22 01:43:26 PM  

KingKauff: Especially the Mont Ventoux finish


That finish was awesome.

bdub77: The bio passport has done wonders to clean up sport.


Indeed it has.

DanZero: You gotta admit it was pretty cool.


It was and yeah Froome basically told everyone off earlier on.
 
2013-07-22 01:53:39 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Knowing nothing about cycling, I always figured they ran the same course every year. They really change it up?


Yep the Tour is different year to year. There are certain stages that appear regularly, like the aforementioned climbing stages, one or the other shows up every couple or few tours and also there are stages that are new, like this year the first three stages were in Corsica. Also the Tour each year hop scotches about a bit with the riders taking trains over night between stages. This year they took as many of the usual Alpine stages as they could and just had one after the other. But yeah each year the Tour is a little different, and the overall tone of it is different depending on the stages, this year favored strong climbers, next year will quite certainly be different. As for next year, well they've announced the first three stages will be in England.

PowerSlacker: Watching the way Froome dominated the TTs and mountains was eerily reminiscent of Armstrong.


Lance wasn't the first to dominate both, far from it. Also Froome's times on the climbs he won were slower than Armstrong's on the same climbs, by a lot.
 
2013-07-22 02:22:01 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Knowing nothing about cycling, I always figured they ran the same course every year. They really change it up?


Yes, though there are a few consistent things:

- They finish in Paris every year
- They hit the Alps and the Pyrenees every year
- There will be 2 long time trials every year

Everything else is changed up: which mountains they climb, where they start and finish each day, whether they have a team time trial, etc.

But this year, even the consistent stuff was changed up. They've never climbed up the same mountain twice in the same day (last Wednesday at L'Alpe D'Huez). They've never gone around L'Arc de Triomphe as part of their finish in Paris. They've never done the final stage as late as they did (and they should probably buy a few temporary floodlights if they decide to do that again).
 
2013-07-22 03:25:07 PM  

desertgeek: Lost Thought 00: Knowing nothing about cycling, I always figured they ran the same course every year. They really change it up?

Yes, though there are a few consistent things:

- They finish in Paris every year
- They hit the Alps and the Pyrenees every year
- There will be 2 long time trials every year

Everything else is changed up: which mountains they climb, where they start and finish each day, whether they have a team time trial, etc.

But this year, even the consistent stuff was changed up. They've never climbed up the same mountain twice in the same day (last Wednesday at L'Alpe D'Huez). They've never gone around L'Arc de Triomphe as part of their finish in Paris. They've never done the final stage as late as they did (and they should probably buy a few temporary floodlights if they decide to do that again).


I didn't know they mixed up whether they have team time trials or not. I always assumed there was a specific stage for that. Cool to know
 
2013-07-22 04:03:17 PM  

desertgeek: They've never done the final stage as late as they did (and they should probably buy a few temporary floodlights if they decide to do that again)


I thought this was particularly neat, since pretty much everything in life is better with a full moon Parisian summer twilight as the backdrop.
 
2013-07-22 05:30:49 PM  

poughdrew: desertgeek: They've never done the final stage as late as they did (and they should probably buy a few temporary floodlights if they decide to do that again)

I thought this was particularly neat, since pretty much everything in life is better with a full moon Parisian summer twilight as the backdrop.


I'm not saying it was a bad idea. I just thought they might have left it a bit too late because it looked a bit too dark on that final lap. So instead of floodlights, just move the start up 15 minutes and they would have probably nailed it.

/unless it's cloudy
 
2013-07-22 06:06:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Nana's Vibrator: That said, even if he is on PED's,

Given how much times for various stages have slowed over the last couple Tours, if they're still doping then they're doping on double lattes and chocolate covered coffee beans. When the time for a single climb goes up 15 minutes in 4 years? Something has changed.


Yep. Either everyone dopes or no one dopes. There's really not a lot of room in the middle. If no one dopes, then if you do dope to win they will find you out. If everyone dopes, then you better dope to have a prayer of winning. If someone dopes now, they do so only to an extent where their performance does not look out of the ordinary. Hell, you might dope if you're a marginal cyclist and want to stay on the team. That's where I'd look for doping now. If you put up a Floyd Landis sort of performance you're going to be poked and prodded every which way.
 
2013-07-22 06:39:20 PM  

zipdog: Hell, you might dope if you're a marginal cyclist and want to stay on the team. That's where I'd look for doping now.


That's a damn good point.
 
2013-07-22 06:45:59 PM  

zipdog: Yep. Either everyone dopes or no one dopes. There's really not a lot of room in the middle. If no one dopes, then if you do dope to win they will find you out. If everyone dopes, then you better dope to have a prayer of winning. If someone dopes now, they do so only to an extent where their performance does not look out of the ordinary. Hell, you might dope if you're a marginal cyclist and want to stay on the team. That's where I'd look for doping now. If you put up a Floyd Landis sort of performance you're going to be poked and prodded every which way.


I think this is a brilliant point, except for that they are supposedly testing everyone all year. They're making the riders say where they'll be at all times so the testers could go to them and make them take a test at any random time. If they're being as detailed as they claim to be, even the borderline riders have next to no reward in doping.
 
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