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(BBC)   After 24 hours of internet abuse, BBC fixes headline--'US jets dump bombs near Great Barrier Reef.' I say, it almost sounds like a non-story when you put it that way, lads   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 99
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2013-07-22 08:48:09 AM
The Great Barrier Reef had just as much to do with 9/11 as Iraq.  It's time for it to pay.
 
2013-07-22 09:25:18 AM
What? They didn't drop them on their Australian allied troops? I'm shocked!
 
2013-07-22 09:26:12 AM

'US jets dump bombs near Great Barrier Reef.'


Reefer madness?
 
2013-07-22 09:27:24 AM
Sticky whores, all of them.
 
2013-07-22 09:27:58 AM
It's time to bomb Austria back to the stone age along with their "only so-so" barrier reef.
 
2013-07-22 09:28:28 AM
gopher321
What? They didn't drop them on their Australian allied troops? I'm shocked!


They're easier to kill than the Taliban
 
2013-07-22 09:28:41 AM
Unlike the House's political leadership, the bombs were not even loaded.
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2013-07-22 09:29:08 AM
The Great Barrier Reef is da bomb.

/god is dead - nietzsche
//nietzsche is dead -god
//god is nietzsche - dead
 
2013-07-22 09:29:27 AM
The BBC: Yellow journalism with cool accents
 
2013-07-22 09:31:41 AM
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
 
2013-07-22 09:32:55 AM
Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?
 
2013-07-22 09:34:20 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?


The planes must not of had wheels.
 
2013-07-22 09:35:03 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?


Reading is your friend.
 
2013-07-22 09:37:08 AM
Australia? I'd rather fight the Taliban in the Caribbean....
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2013-07-22 09:37:52 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?


too low on fuel to land fully loaded, they had to shed the weight to land safely.
 
2013-07-22 09:38:34 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?


Physics is hard.
 
2013-07-22 09:38:41 AM
Taking a dump in the reef is bad too, but not nearly as bad as dropping a bomb on it.
 
2013-07-22 09:43:40 AM
Hey everybody. Free bombs.

Nice.
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2013-07-22 09:44:12 AM

mikaloyd: The BBC: Yellow journalism with cool accents

A fark sight better than anything the US media has to offer

FTFY.
 
2013-07-22 09:55:03 AM
Then again, if it was such a non-story, why make such a fuss? Could it be that the US may be feeling an itsy bitsy guilty? Say it ain't so. Poor baby.
 
2013-07-22 09:58:24 AM
So the US military abandons training and drops dummy bombs in the ocean to avoid damaging some civilian boats and a world heritage site and then offers to clean up the mess. Truly history's greatest monsters.
 
2013-07-22 10:00:23 AM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: So the US military abandons training and drops dummy bombs in the ocean to avoid damaging some civilian boats and a world heritage site and then offers to clean up the mess. Truly history's greatest monsters.


They just don't make monsters like they used to.
 
2013-07-22 10:04:23 AM

Dahnkster: Australia? I'd rather fight the Taliban in the Caribbean....
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Is that the Chiquita Banana lady?
 
2013-07-22 10:06:40 AM

rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.


Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.
 
2013-07-22 10:08:23 AM

LargeCanine: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Reading is your friend.


Seriously.  This question was specifically answered in the article, but who gives a shiate about reading to be informed.  How glorious it is to remain ignorant and ask questions that initially may sooooooound intelligent but only truly serves to confirm laziness.
 
2013-07-22 10:11:45 AM
FTFA-

US fighter jets dropped four bombs on the Great Barrier Reef off Australia's coast during a training exercise that went wrong, it has emerged.
The two planes jettisoned four bombs - two inert and two unarmed - in more than 50m (165 ft) of water, away from coral, to minimise damage to the World Heritage Site, the US navy said.

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong...
 
2013-07-22 10:13:48 AM

The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.


Dumping the bombs was part of the plan.  Or would you prefer they had dropped them on the dumb rednecks joyriding in a bombing range?
 
2013-07-22 10:14:13 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: Then again, if it was such a non-story, why make such a fuss? Could it be that the US may be feeling an itsy bitsy guilty? Say it ain't so. Poor baby.


The Dutch always play to the hyperbole.  The dirty dirty Dutch.
 
2013-07-22 10:14:44 AM

The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.


They abandoned the exercise because civilian boats wandered into the area and they were low on fuel at that point. What would you rather they have done, dropped the bombs anyway?
 
2013-07-22 10:16:25 AM
"Inert and unarmed"....so they dropped blue bodies. They are filled with lead. No go boom. They dropped roughly 2,000lb of metal near a reef. I'll panic after this cup of coffee.
 
2013-07-22 10:16:57 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?


not too familiar with the harrier jump jets, are ya?

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2013-07-22 10:17:38 AM

The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.


Every bit of mission planning doesn't help prevent civilians from invading a no-entry bombing area. This was clearly the approved alternate.
 
2013-07-22 10:19:56 AM

StrangeQ: The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.

Dumping the bombs was part of the plan.  Or would you prefer they had dropped them on the dumb rednecks joyriding in a bombing range?


So contingency planning doesn't form part of mission planning?  What if the bombs couldn't physically be dropped due to some kind of failure?  Ditch the plane?
 
2013-07-22 10:21:47 AM

The Envoy: StrangeQ: The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.

Dumping the bombs was part of the plan.  Or would you prefer they had dropped them on the dumb rednecks joyriding in a bombing range?

So contingency planning doesn't form part of mission planning?  What if the bombs couldn't physically be dropped due to some kind of failure?  Ditch the plane?


Hey everybody, I think this guy is on to something...  The Marines clearly have absolutely no idea what they are doing...
 
2013-07-22 10:24:19 AM

The Envoy: StrangeQ: The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.

Dumping the bombs was part of the plan.  Or would you prefer they had dropped them on the dumb rednecks joyriding in a bombing range?

So contingency planning doesn't form part of mission planning?  What if the bombs couldn't physically be dropped due to some kind of failure?  Ditch the plane?


Oooooor, they could just dump the inert munitions in a safe zone.   Hmmmm, which one, which one?  I know, we'll go with beaming up the munitions to the Starship Enterprise orbiting above the Earth.  THAT is a more realistic alternative.
 
2013-07-22 10:24:22 AM

The Envoy: StrangeQ: The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.

Dumping the bombs was part of the plan.  Or would you prefer they had dropped them on the dumb rednecks joyriding in a bombing range?

So contingency planning doesn't form part of mission planning?  What if the bombs couldn't physically be dropped due to some kind of failure?  Ditch the plane?


Are you trying to be dense just this once or just an ass all the time?  Seriously.  Ditching unarmed/UXO is the contingency plan for a weight limited aircraft that lands in VTOL.  Always has been, always will be.

And yes, if you really can't land the aircraft then you ditch the whole damn thing.
 
2013-07-22 10:25:48 AM

Maul555: The Envoy: StrangeQ: The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.

Dumping the bombs was part of the plan.  Or would you prefer they had dropped them on the dumb rednecks joyriding in a bombing range?

So contingency planning doesn't form part of mission planning?  What if the bombs couldn't physically be dropped due to some kind of failure?  Ditch the plane?

Hey everybody, I think this guy is on to something...  The Marines clearly have absolutely no idea what they are doing...


Well, what if the pilot passed out or something? THEN what would they do? Or aliens? What if aliens beamed the pilot out of the cockpit? HUH?

Stupid Marines
 
2013-07-22 10:25:57 AM

dinch: FTFA- The two planes jettisoned four bombs - two inert and two unarmed ...


And they aren't even bombs, because...

Inert equals aero-shaped iron rock, and,
Unarmed equals shapely iron rock with plastic core.
No fuse or detonator equals no bomb.
 
2013-07-22 10:29:27 AM

The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.


And also range clearing.Apparently some civilian boats got into the bombing range.Don't know if the just strayed there or were they protesters.We don't know why the AV8's hung around till bingo fuel.I don't know if an AV8 can land on (ship or shore with a load or ordinance.
 
2013-07-22 10:31:45 AM
Well, good things the bombs were inert. We don't have to worry about irradiating the reef with gamma radiation and accidentally creating the Incredible Barrier Reef Hulk.
 
2013-07-22 10:36:27 AM
FTFA- The two planes jettisoned four bombs - two inert and two unarmed ...

And they aren't even bombs, because...

Inert equals aero-shaped iron rock, and,
Unarmed equals shapely iron rock with plastic core.
No fuse or detonator equals no bomb.

What distinction is the Navy making between "inert" and "unarmed"?  Does "inert" mean the thing was just a bomb-shaped hunk of metal and "unarmed" mean that the darn thing had explosives, but some proverbial switch was not flipped so the thing should not go boom?
 
2013-07-22 10:37:47 AM
They couldn't fill up the gas tanks because sequester.
 
2013-07-22 10:40:44 AM
I can understand not bothering to recover two inert bombs.  But two real live kaboomy but un-armed bombs?  It's only 165 feet of water.  A bit too deep for recreational divers,  not hard to reach for some one who really wants a couple of unique convesation pieces.
 
2013-07-22 10:57:12 AM
media.rofls.com
 
2013-07-22 11:06:10 AM
the Great Barrier Reef has now issued a press release.

(apparently from their spokesperson known as 'The Gap Band')
 
2013-07-22 11:07:53 AM

The Envoy: So contingency planning doesn't form part of mission planning?  What if the bombs couldn't physically be dropped due to some kind of failure?  Ditch the plane?



Takeoff and landing weights are often different, with the latter being less than the former, and this is particularly true when talking about carrier aircraft and VTOL aircraft.  The way they land either involves a lot of force (arrested landings) or relies entirely on thrust for lift.  So either you'll crumple the gear if you come down too heavy (arrested landings) or you'll come down way too fast for your landing gear to stop & control (VTOL).
 
2013-07-22 11:12:25 AM

AugieDoggyDaddy: I can understand not bothering to recover two inert bombs.  But two real live kaboomy but un-armed bombs?  It's only 165 feet of water.  A bit too deep for recreational divers,  not hard to reach for some one who really wants a couple of unique convesation pieces.


I dunno, if the inert bombs are huge chunks of lead, I would think they would be more important to retrieve than unarmed bombs, which even if they could explode aren't going to do any meaningful damage to anything.
 
2013-07-22 11:14:28 AM

rikkitikkitavi: The Envoy: StrangeQ: The Envoy: rikkitikkitavi: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Why didn't they just not drop the bombs anywhere and take them back to the base?

Physics is hard.

Apparently so is mission planning during an exercise.

Dumping the bombs was part of the plan.  Or would you prefer they had dropped them on the dumb rednecks joyriding in a bombing range?

So contingency planning doesn't form part of mission planning?  What if the bombs couldn't physically be dropped due to some kind of failure?  Ditch the plane?

Are you trying to be dense just this once or just an ass all the time?  Seriously.  Ditching unarmed/UXO is the contingency plan for a weight limited aircraft that lands in VTOL.  Always has been, always will be.


Are you saying that the AV-8B cannot land with a load of ordnance no matter how much fuel it has?  That's a genuine question before your panties get any more knotted, BTW.  The plane has an empty weight of c. 14,000lbs.  Each bomb (according to TFA) was 500lbs, so a small assumption would be that each plane had 2, so 1,000 extra lbs each, so still considerably under the max VTOL weight of 20,700lbs, yes?  Of course, the (apparently minimal) fuel load is yet to be added to that.  Specs from McDonnel Douglas.

But that's an overly-simplistic view of the whole "contingency planning" point.  One would think that patrolling an area to deter/warn off trespassers prior to actual bombing runs wouldn't be an outrageous expectation given that you can't really float warning signs around and hope people see them.  It's probably also worth considering the popularity of the area and have increased security prior to the exercise starting.  They're not carpet-bombing a huge area, they only had 4 bombs and they're supposed to be fairly accurate so it's not like asking them to clear an area of thousands, or even hundreds of square kilometres is it?

Maybe "contingency planning" should be undertaken with the area in mind, especially a World Heritage site.  So, taking your point about the contingency plan for "weight limited aircraft" as true, what's to prevent the contingency being to have enough fuel to get beyond the boundaries of the World Heritage site before jettisoning the bombs?  As we've determined above, each aircraft probably had several thousand lbs of available capacity for extra fuel so why not avoid the enormous bad press and the reputational damage and simply enable them to fly a mile beyond the boundary of the park and then drop these apparently completely inert lumps?  Is that really nonsensical?

And yes, if you really can't land the aircraft then you ditch the whole damn thing.

No shiat Sherlock.  So going back to my first question in this post, can the AV-8B not land with a load of ordnance at all?
 
2013-07-22 11:18:19 AM

xria: AugieDoggyDaddy: I can understand not bothering to recover two inert bombs.  But two real live kaboomy but un-armed bombs?  It's only 165 feet of water.  A bit too deep for recreational divers,  not hard to reach for some one who really wants a couple of unique convesation pieces.

I dunno, if the inert bombs are huge chunks of lead, I would think they would be more important to retrieve than unarmed bombs, which even if they could explode aren't going to do any meaningful damage to anything.


A big-ass chunk of metallic lead like that is pretty irrelevant in the ocean. The ocean is HUGE and lead isn't very soluble.
 
2013-07-22 11:19:53 AM

JK47: The Envoy: So contingency planning doesn't form part of mission planning?  What if the bombs couldn't physically be dropped due to some kind of failure?  Ditch the plane?

Takeoff and landing weights are often different, with the latter being less than the former, and this is particularly true when talking about carrier aircraft and VTOL aircraft.  The way they land either involves a lot of force (arrested landings) or relies entirely on thrust for lift.  So either you'll crumple the gear if you come down too heavy (arrested landings) or you'll come down way too fast for your landing gear to stop & control (VTOL).


Thanks for an answer that's not steeped in butt-hurt.  I couldn't find anything about it, even on McDonnel Douglas' site.  Does it have to be empty to land or is there an upper limit?
 
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