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(Fark)   Has anyone ever convinced you to change from being conservative to being liberal (or vice versa)?   ( divider line
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2013-07-22 12:55:29 AM  
7 votes:
Someone once said "Fartbama" and that totally made me switch over to the conservative side.
2013-07-22 12:19:56 AM  
7 votes:

MappingChick: feckingmorons: MappingChick: No, but a lot of people like telling me how I should know more about Jesus.

Come on over on Thursday he does the lawn with a couple of other guys.

/I think he is married.

Your joke is much better than the one I was trying to formulate.

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2013-07-22 12:15:39 AM  
6 votes:

MappingChick: No, but a lot of people like telling me how I should know more about Jesus.

Come on over on Thursday he does the lawn with a couple of other guys.

/I think he is married.
2013-07-22 02:48:01 AM  
5 votes:

monty666: I'm not into reading walls of text. What is currently going on here?

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2013-07-22 12:23:16 AM  
5 votes:
No, I just get more conservative.

This is why you and I are but two ships that pass in the night. And just so you know, I have torpedos, too.
2013-07-22 12:20:45 AM  
5 votes:

feckingmorons: If I insult politicians you like will you play music loudly and clean my house?
I'll even buy dinner!

Um, sure.  I must warn you, however, that when I cleaned the bathroom, I dipped his toothbrush in the toilet.  :)
2013-07-22 12:25:58 AM  
4 votes:
Life experiences have pushed me to become more libertarian.

I hear you. Who the hell would get pimples, become socially awkward, obese, read Ayn Rand, and live in their mom's basement on purpose?
2013-07-22 12:53:07 AM  
3 votes:

Abacus9: If you think conservatives care about small government and less spending, perhaps you don't remember GWB? Starting unnecessary wars, greatly expanding the power of government under the Patriot Act, Defense of Marriage and all that?

Don't forget making government so small they can shove it up a woman's vagina.
2013-07-22 12:20:20 AM  
3 votes:

syrynxx: Who am I going to vote for now?

2013-07-22 12:19:13 AM  
3 votes:

MIAppologia: Hell no.  I was married to an arch conservative Republican, and the most I'd do is to tell him to stop talking politics around me, since his idea of talking politics was to gravely insult the politicians I admired.

And when that didn't work, I'd just turn the music up loud and clean the house.

If I insult politicians you like will you play music loudly and clean my house?
I'll even buy dinner!
2013-07-22 05:55:04 AM  
2 votes:
I'm neither, but I like science and facts, so nowadays that means I'm a lib.
2013-07-22 04:43:52 AM  
2 votes:

I Like Bread: When I was younger, I was a long-haired anti-establishment goon. I've since learned many things about human nature and what people will do when left to their own devices - leading me to understand just how much we need the system to thrive.

log_jammin: the words "conservative" and "liberal" mean nothing in american politics anymore beyond name calling.

You're right - those "both sides are the same" blockheads ARE exceedingly annoying.
/I'm sure everything looks the same from all the way over there in Loony Libertopia

Yesterday in the Samsung Galaxy vs iPhone thread some blockhead managed to get into the thread to announce to all the people discussing the differences that they're really all the same. I imagined that his dumbphone might have been a BSABSVRphone.
2013-07-22 01:54:19 AM  
2 votes:
I did go through a libertarian phase in high school.

/I got better.
2013-07-22 12:55:26 AM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: Rincewind53: Growing up, I read a lot of military sci-fi and fantasy, and things with a fairly libertarian bent. But the older I got, the more I realized how absurd some of the stuff was, and the more liberal I got. In the last few years, I've drifted even farther from the center and towards the left.

When I was in High SChool, you could probably describe me as a centrist Democrat. Now I'm much more progressive and leftist in a wide variety of ways, mostly due to the influence of my girlfriend, who is practically a communist.

Well you are in law school. You couldn't find a Republican with a search party and a weeks worth of Ramen noodles.

Just look for the law students who are failing civil rights class. Those are Republicans.
2013-07-22 12:55:13 AM  
2 votes:

Triumph: angrymacface: Once I realized that conservatives are horribly selfish people, I realized I didn't want to be one.

I know, right - like that Neil Armstrong guy taking the moon all for himself.

Well, considering the fact he blew up the moon so that no one else would ever be able to walk on it, I'd say so.
2013-07-22 12:23:51 AM  
2 votes:
I seem to oscillate between the two.

/Or is it "vacillate"
///Someone just tell me what to think!
2013-07-22 12:15:03 AM  
2 votes:
No, but a lot of people like telling me how I should know more about Jesus.
2013-07-22 12:14:30 AM  
2 votes:
No, I can't be conservative because I actually care about other human beings.

And take it to the politics tab, troll.
2013-07-22 10:53:40 PM  
1 vote:
A young woman goes to the doctor to get her test results:

DOCTOR: I'm afraid you have terminal illness, there's no cure, and you have six months to live.

WOMAN (sobbing): Oh doctor, what should I do?

DOCTOR: If I were you, I'd marry a conservative and move to Utah.

WOMAN: Will that help me live longer?

DOCTOR: No, but those six months will seem like a very long time.
2013-07-22 07:20:25 PM  
1 vote:
I used to be a hardcore right-winger.  In high school government class, we took a political spectrum test and the teacher told me I was the most far-right student he'd ever had.  Of course, I was merely toeing the family party line.  I watched Fox News religiously, listened to Rush Limbaugh, read his books, was a huge fan of Bill O'Reilly, and thought every democratic politician was the scum of the earth.

Then I moved out of state and away from my family's political echo chamber and actually began to think for myself.  At first it was a slow, gradual shift toward the center, but the change hastened as I began to actively ignore propaganda and talking points in favor of actually reading the text of proposed legislation, fact-checking political claims, and began truly caring about the welfare of other people.  Social injustice and (wealth and marriage) inequality became an increasingly sore topics for me.

I'm still registered as "unaffiliated," because my state allows that.  However, with things as they are now, I don't think I could ever vote republican again.  Looking back into the world I once belonged to, all I can see now is the hate that fills it.  It's sad, and I want no part of it.  I guess I'm a democrat now in all but name.
2013-07-22 01:03:09 PM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: It has bred an odd Prosperity Gospel

I am not normally a very angry person, but the Prosperity Gospel just makes me see red.

I think it's because how *completely at odds* it is with the book they claim is the nigh-literal word of god.

I mean, the only people Jesus gets angry at IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE are the moneychangers in the temple. The folks that are making money off religion. The folks coming to take him off to be killed? He heals one. SATAN? Jesus tells him off, but isn't terribly angry. Using religion/religious grounds as a moneymaking scheme? JESUS IS PISSED.
2013-07-22 12:28:12 PM  
1 vote:
I used to be the libbiest lib who ever libbed but then came Obama and my inability to use a tapemeasure.... thanks Obama.
2013-07-22 11:29:30 AM  
1 vote:
I guess it's more accurate to say that what was important to me changed more than the content of my views. Events (data) tend to shape my views more than individual persuasion. I have had some people help clarify their positions, and those positions I found to have merit, so on some set of issues, I have waxed and waned conservative/liberal - and in many ways, I could have been seen as relatively libertarian - though never so much as to think Ron Paul was anything but insane.

I started out a Republican because of my staunch anti-communism and have always been (and remain) hawkish and interventionist. At the start of the '90s, I was working for a conservative "educational" organization (read: lobbying). But after the Cold War ended, I started seeing other issues as being more pressing. In 2000 I voted for Bush. In 2004, I cast my first vote for a Democrat for president - not because he was great but because the Libertarian part of me said you can't let a president get away with the kind of mistake Bush made in Iraq. (It's one thing to be neocon, it's another to implement neocon strategies stupidly.)

Republicans started to shift away from the William F. Buckley, Jr. model of conservatism after 9/11, and it became stark by 2006, the last time I voted for a Republican. The GOP didn't have to lose me. But by 2008, it became clear that the GOP had lost its collective mind. McCain was not the man I voted for in the 2000 primaries, and Palin simply added the whipped cream of retardation on top of the banana split of fail the GOP had become. I joined the Democratic Party because I decided trying to pull Democrats to the right was probably easier than pulling Republicans to the right.

I'm not as economically left as most Democrats. I don't buy into the left/libertarian MIC narrative. I believe way too much in externalities to be a Libertarian. I am almost, but not quite, libertarian in my belief in separation of church and state. (Get over pre-1950 christian monuments on government land. OMG - Who the Hell cares?) Socially, though, I'm pretty liberal. Legalize pot. Legalize gay marriage. Vice laws, for the most part, should go. I'm pro-universal health care - because it's both cheaper and leads to better outcomes than what we do. I like a strong FDA, OSHA, and other federal regulatory agencies. Get rid of most other forms of business distortions like tax incentives and subsidies. Simplify the tax code, especially for businesses.

That concludes my self-important wall of text. Probably, no one should have read through all of that.
2013-07-22 11:27:04 AM  
1 vote:
Years ago, during the height of the insurgence in Iraq and the 2004 election, I almost became a conservative when, one day it was pointed out to me that by not supporting Bush I hated Amercia and I was helping the terrorists. But then I realized, "Well, those that hate terrorists and love the US say some things that have points, and those who support terrorism and hate America say some other things that also make points." It was very confusing. I mean, people were saying lots of stuff and both sides really disagreed about what "facts" were. In the end I bought a hot dog from a street vendor and realized that sometimes it's better just to follow your appetite. These days I find myself voting for the campaign that does free pancakes closest to my place.
2013-07-22 10:39:25 AM  
1 vote:
Moving away from a conservative hotbed made me realize how pants-on-head derpy they were. It's like being freed from a cult.
2013-07-22 08:47:44 AM  
1 vote:
Sarah Palin convinced me to stop calling myself a moderate republican.
I'm a liberal now.

/thanks, Sarah
2013-07-22 08:29:11 AM  
1 vote:
I like to think I've changed a few minds in the Zimmerman threads.
2013-07-22 07:30:38 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-07-22 06:11:50 AM  
1 vote:
I was once a libertarian, but my GF asked me "Why would you support a political party who only believes the state should fund just the military and the police?".  I married her and become a liberal.
2013-07-22 05:25:43 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-07-22 05:07:56 AM  
1 vote:

Old lady looked on my hairy balls and said, "Oh... you need to trim that quickly," with such shame at a sex party.

I am now more conservative with hair and more liberal with who I share that story with.
2013-07-22 04:21:13 AM  
1 vote:
When I was age 5-6-7, I frequently heard my parents and their friends talk about President Kennedy saying things like "He is good for the country". "He makes us proud to be Americans"

When I was 12 and Richard Nixon was elected, my science teacher said "I am a Democrat, but I think he will be good because Republicans reduce inflation". That would be 1968.

By 1969, I was in high school and the news was filtering down about college kids protesting the war in Vietnam, people burning draft cards, moratoriums, the Kent State shootings, Edwin Starr's song "War, what is it good for" and all the other anti-war music.

Beyond the war which was the primary issue in the news when I was aged 13-16 I staked other liberal positions that just made sense compared to what the Republicans were offering.

One other influence was listening to my 11th grade history teacher debate a conservative after class, which led me to see that liberal positions made sense. But the only thing I remember was the conservative saying but but but socialism in South America, and my history teacher saying "a little bit of socialism would help South Amrerica"

January 1973, America's fighting in Vietnam ended, but news about Watergate and Nixon sending spies to break in to Daniel Ellsberg's doctor to seek his medical records and the year and a half of Republican bulldog defending that Nixon did no wrong pretty much cemented my view of the parties, and the Republican positions on the issues just were just as sucky.

The Republicans talk freedom, but want to take away a women's right to an abortion in the first trimester. They talk about freedom, but wanted to arrest people for "sodomy" (read:homosexuality). And when Republicans were Dixiecrats, they were against interracial marriage until the Supreme Court cemented it's universal legality.
2013-07-22 04:19:16 AM  
1 vote:
Richard Nixon cured me of conservatism.
2013-07-22 03:21:59 AM  
1 vote:

craigdamage: I enjoy having the liberty to conserve the things that work and change the things that don't. really is that f*cking simple.

far left is delusional idiots
far right is delusional assholes


Fortunately the far left has almost no one in political power, and the far r-OH HOLY HELL WHO GAVE THEM THE KEYS TO THE GOVERNMENT??
2013-07-22 03:03:08 AM  
1 vote:
I went from an 18 yr old Reagan-worshiper to what-is-commonly-referred-to-as-liberal-in-the-United-States, yes, but on my own accord.  Education, experience and ceasing to hate/fear "different" people for no particular reason tends to do that to a person.  Mmmyeessss.

It's kind of amazing, like, if you open your mind and try to understand stuff, you can... better understand the world around you.

And teachers paved the way for everything.  Teachers rule.  Some of them are hot, too, and have firm thighs and perky breasts.

And science is farking cool as shiat.

/science even works fairly well on a social science like economics, provided you abide by all the definitions and the entire framework
//*COUGH*that means you can't make up your own rules and pretend that externalities don't exist, silly libertarians*COUGH*
/was a libertarian for a couple months a few decades ago when i was still transitioning. sorry about that. is gay
2013-07-22 02:57:00 AM  
1 vote:

violentsalvation: I also had an OPANA stack of post-its that some house guest with a pen turned into OBAMA post-its.

Thanks, OPANA!
2013-07-22 02:36:13 AM  
1 vote:

feckingmorons: In case I wasn't clear:

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Finally, an honest slogan from the GOP.
2013-07-22 02:27:40 AM  
1 vote:

monty666: I'm not into reading walls of text. What is currently going on here?

Fecking is trying to pretend he's not a piece of sh*t by talking about how charitable he is
2013-07-22 02:13:50 AM  
1 vote:
I have this mental image of Socially Concerned Fecking waking up and looking in the mirror at Charitable Fecking and both of them asking "who the hell let Tea Party Fecking drive the bus last night?"
2013-07-22 02:03:45 AM  
1 vote:
In high school and the first couple years of college I considered myself a republican, but that was mostly due to lack of research.  I saw republicans as the party of rich people, and I wanted to be rich, and I thought 'yeah, dang all those parasites just cashing all of those welfare checks and never working a day in their lives'.  I was never socially conservative, and when I first registered to vote, I registered as a libertarian, but in my defense, my mental image of libertarians were the guys that smoked weed in front of the coffee place and talked about philosophy and plays well past midnight.

Then I actually bothered looking up what the parties stood for, and getting closer to entering the real world I understood that welfare queens were a particularly cruel myth, and that the Democratic party was the one that actually stood up for the rights of the middle class and the average worker.  I changed my voter registration to Democrat and haven't looked back.  The continual march of the right into religious fundamentalism has made that decision look smarter every day since.

I've always been socially liberal - I've always felt that gay people should have every right afforded to heterosexual people, including marriage, I've always been pro-immigration, I've always been pro-science and pro-stem cell research, and I've been pro-choice since I bothered to look up the actual time-line of a pregnancy and the length of time it takes for what is essentially a medical condition to turn into a child.

I suppose I still align myself with a couple right-wing talking points - I fully support Israel, their rights to the land they won in the Six Day War, and supported the war on terrorism (though I'll admit we could have done it in a much better fashion and without losing as many American lives and giving as much money as we have to defense contractors).

I also have beliefs that don't align with any of the major parties - I believe that we need to seriously re-evaluate our copyright laws and patent system, as they're stifling innovation, neutering the public domain, and inadvertently allowing orphan works to disappear forever due to issues with contacting rights holders, I believe that our current surveillance state has gone way too far and that the erosion of the 4th amendment deserves a lot more attention than the supposed attacks on the 2nd, and that we need policymakers with a solid understanding of technology in office so that initiatives like Net Neutrality get the attention they deserve.
2013-07-22 02:01:12 AM  
1 vote:
feckingmorons Work is mutually beneficial for the employee, the employer, and society.

I'm sure the Messrs Koch say that, too
2013-07-22 01:39:19 AM  
1 vote:
Smeggy Smurf
Bush convinced me to become a libertarian. Fartbongo reinforced that as having been a good idea.

Clearsil and move out of your mom's basement. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.
2013-07-22 01:14:36 AM  
1 vote:
2013-07-22 12:56:27 AM  
1 vote:
No, but I did eventually concede to the fact that it did not taste great (it tasted awful), but was indeed less filling.
2013-07-22 12:43:41 AM  
1 vote:

I actually think I might be a liberal who doesn't like to pay taxes.

From henceforth, I shall call you Jeremiah Johnson. A rugged individualist, making his way through the wilderness with his horse and a herd of goats.
2013-07-22 12:39:23 AM  
1 vote:
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2013-07-22 12:34:39 AM  
1 vote:

SuperTramp: feckingmorons

/I'm writing in Nixon for 2016.

Hardly surprising, since you seem to be stuck in the past. Oh. gee. Is that what you're hoping to "conserve"? A time when men were men, and women were barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, and The Pentagon Papers were just a dream? :)

No, my sanity. Probably a lost cause.

I want to live next to Ozzie and Harriet. I want a maid named Hazel.

And goats. I want goats.
2013-07-22 12:30:55 AM  
1 vote:
On some issues, yeah. Socially I'm quite liberal, fiscally I'm progressive, on national security I'm all over the map depending on the specific matter at hand and for the most part, I'm what happens when you invite a Lean/Kaizen engineer to the poli-sci majors' table and everyone's head starts to hurt.

There's no party in the 'verse that would want me as a member. As it should be.
2013-07-22 12:27:37 AM  
1 vote:

SuperTramp: EatenTheSun
Life experiences have pushed me to become more libertarian.

I hear you. Who the hell would get pimples, become socially awkward, obese, read Ayn Rand, and live in their mom's basement on purpose?

I've only ever done 3 of those things.
2013-07-22 12:20:09 AM  
1 vote:

CommieTaoist: The older I get, the more liberal I get.

I figure I'm going to hit 180 degrees one of these days and plaster Jerry Brown stickers on my car.
2013-07-22 12:16:49 AM  
1 vote:

MIAppologia: Hell no.  I was married to an arch conservative Republican, and the most I'd do is to tell him to stop talking politics around me, since his idea of talking politics was to gravely insult the politicians I admired.

And when that didn't work, I'd just turn the music up loud and clean the house.

2013-07-22 12:16:25 AM  
1 vote:
And this goes green? Freakin' trollmins.
2013-07-22 12:15:51 AM  
1 vote:
Hell no.  I was married to an arch conservative Republican, and the most I'd do is to tell him to stop talking politics around me, since his idea of talking politics was to gravely insult the politicians I admired.

And when that didn't work, I'd just turn the music up loud and clean the house.
2013-07-22 12:14:50 AM  
1 vote:
2013-07-22 12:13:40 AM  
1 vote:
oh shove it libmitter
2013-07-22 12:13:16 AM  
1 vote:
No, I just get more conservative.
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