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2013-07-22 07:43:15 AM  
Also I guess I didn't answer the original question. Yes. My best friend is a bisexual female who leans towards the ladies. So when I think about gay rights I think about her happiness and where as I never really had an opinion about guys or transsexuals I do now. So now I am strongly in favor of treating people well regardless of their sex, race, sexual orientation, etc.


Also the Bush administration influenced my thoughts on war. Mainly because six thousands Americans died for two needless wars, not to mention the thousands of brown people who were also affected. Of course it took me a while to get to that point. Admittedly I was fascinated when we started bombing Afghanistan, and the invasion of Iraq made for great tv. I was younger then though, so I guess I am getting more "liberal" as I age.
 
2013-07-22 07:46:27 AM  
Yes, I have been convinced to vote for Democrats and Republicans many times.
 
2013-07-22 07:51:01 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: SunsetLament: Would Gore or Kerry have spent less?

It's arguable that if Gore were elected in 2000, that Al Qaeda wouldn't have seen the need to attack us in the first place.


Who argues that? Pretty absurd notion.
 
2013-07-22 07:52:01 AM  
I got more conservative in my 20's and was appalled by the downward spiral of the ghetto culture in NYC. I always hated religious conservatives and was liberal on most social issues. It was seeing the decline of poor neighborhoods in NY in the 80s and 90s that made me think that it (the Welfare State, Affirmative Action, most of the War on Poverty, etc) just wasn't working and was making things worse. Still, my attitudes were more Libertarian than Conservative. My big conundrum was knowing that Conservatives wanted to just trash Welfare, Affirmative Action, etc, and replace it with nothing, and ignore that there was any sort of problem to begin with, which wasn't the solution either. So you had folks who thought poor people should just figure it out on their own and suffer if they can't vs folks who want to throw money at the problem and pretend its solved. I voted for several Republicans, mostly out of protest, but this whole vaguely anti-liberal feeling I had collapsed as soon as we started doing stupid things in Afghanistan and Iraq and the Christians went from asshole to farking complete shartheads.
 
2013-07-22 07:56:18 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: SunsetLament: Would Gore or Kerry have spent less?

It's arguable that if Gore were elected in 2000, that Al Qaeda wouldn't have seen the need to attack us in the first place.


No, it's not.

I can entertain the possibility that Gore took those memos a little more seriously and thwarted the attack, but bin Laden didn't give a shiat which letter came after our president's name.
 
2013-07-22 07:59:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: AverageAmericanGuy: SunsetLament: Would Gore or Kerry have spent less?

It's arguable that if Gore were elected in 2000, that Al Qaeda wouldn't have seen the need to attack us in the first place.

Who argues that? Pretty absurd notion.


It's pretty common. It's ridiculous, but common.

Some people don't have their heads on straight.

Hell, some people think the government purposefully detonated explosives to demolish the WTC.
 
2013-07-22 08:00:10 AM  
I think it's cute that the folks who think it's just wrong that they have to contribute to public assistance have no problem with federally subsidized home loans and student loans and pumping money into failing industries. They probably don't even understand that the roads they are driving on were paid for by other people.
 
2013-07-22 08:01:01 AM  
The older I've gotten the more I've realized that both parties are completely f*cked
 
2013-07-22 08:01:38 AM  
I was a registered Republican from about 1991 - 98. Then they pulled their impeachment stunt, I voted for Al Gore, and they (the GOP) have only gotten crazier. I basically went from "middle of the road but leans right" to "still middle of the road but is now considered a dirty socialist".

So yes, one party converted me, but not the way they wanted to.
 
2013-07-22 08:03:22 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: The answer to the health care dilemma is pretty simple:

National single payer system - Medicare for everyone

Premiums paid out of taxes at a progressive rate like income taxes (which I'd argue should be higher at the upper income levels as well)

A panel of doctors and experts sets the reimbursement costs at a fair level that lets medical facilities keep the doors open but still minimize costs, adjustments are made every couple years, maybe with a codified COLA adjustment in-between

All medical facilities are required by law to accept the government insurance

All doctors and medical facilities are required by law to perform any treatment to preserve life and quality of life for any patient who comes through the doors.  Appropriate exceptions can be made for the elderly for whom extreme measures would just slightly postpone death by natural causes.

Birth control, vasectomies, and other treatments that serve to save money in the long run would be covered.

Reconstructive plastic surgery (after burns, traumatic injuries, or to address defects such as hare lips) would be covered.

Vanity treatments like breast implants, calf implants, penis enlargements, etc, would have to come out of the patient's pocket


There's one flaw in your plan (well, there's tons of flaws in your plan, but there's one overarching flaw in your plan) ... the rest of the country overwhelming disagrees with you.
 
2013-07-22 08:03:44 AM  
Bisexual who might just want to get married someday. Take a guess.
 
2013-07-22 08:04:18 AM  
I'm actually thoroughly convinced that Fark did.

Still trying to find an explanation, but yeah I've made a pretty big move from the right to the center right and even *gasp* to the center since I've been on here. Fark is the best guess I've got given other variables. Maybe it was the conservatives going bugnuts, maybe it was the fact that trolling Fark exposed me to it, it'll be awhile before i figure it out. If ever.

So yeah, go Fark!
 
2013-07-22 08:05:55 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: SunsetLament: Would Gore or Kerry have spent less?

It's arguable that if Gore were elected in 2000, that Al Qaeda wouldn't have seen the need to attack us in the first place.


Yeah, Muslims never behave like animals when the President is a liberal.
 
2013-07-22 08:06:23 AM  

CommieTaoist: The older I get, the more liberal I get.


Yeah. I started off far more conservative (and evangelical). I'm now a happily agnostic liberal!
 
2013-07-22 08:07:42 AM  

iq_in_binary: I'm actually thoroughly convinced that Fark did.



So the method of insulting you until you agree with them works?
 
2013-07-22 08:09:19 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: The older I've gotten the more I've realized that both parties are completely f*cked


I'm a liberal but I don't identify as a Democrat. I mostly align with the Green Party with the major exception to their international policy and their UN policy.
 
2013-07-22 08:09:28 AM  

enderthexenocide: when i was in college in 2001 i considered myself a republican although i didn't really follow politics.  i thought "yeah i like small government and i don't like high taxes and i don't think lazy unemployed people should get welfare."  what can i say, i was young and stupid.  i also hated al gore (and still do) and would have voted for bush (or mccain) in 2000 if i had bothered to vote in that election.  i told one of my friends that was a republican and he outright laughed at me and said "no you're not!" and proceeded to explain to me that my actual politics were strongly liberal and my understanding of republican ideology was very flawed.  i thought republicans believed in being fiscally conservative and supporting mainstream america by helping small business.  that makes me laugh now.  although it wasn't until the political aftermath of 9/11 that i really began to realize how destructive and selfish republican politics are.

conservatives like to joke that college kids are all liberal until they graduate and get a job and start paying taxes, then they become conservative.  but for me it was the exact opposite.  once i got out of school and started living on my own and actually paying attention to politics and the government, i was embarrassed to think i ever thought i was conservative.  i am very liberal and i'm only getting more liberal the older i get.


People in the Baby Boomer generation have tended to fall into the "get more conservative as they get older" category, much like their parents and grandparents. Gen X is sort of 50/50 right now. Millenials appear to be growing more liberal as they reach their 20s and 30s.

I think it's a function of "what did you have when you were growing up?" If you grew up in a time of economic hardship and you had to work hard to get ahead, you tend to feel like everyone should have been able to do what you did and you get annoyed with those who don't earn their place. If you grew up in a time of prosperity and then experienced a downgrade in your 20s and 30s because you couldn't find a good job, you're more likely to be empathetic to others.

I expect that Millenials and their children are going to be far more liberal in their middle age than the Baby Boomers or Gen Xers have been.

That may be one of the reasons that liberalism/conservatism tend to be the endpoints of a cultural pendulum swing -- it takes about 3-4 generations for cultural attitudes to shift.
 
2013-07-22 08:09:54 AM  

Wendy's Chili: AverageAmericanGuy: SunsetLament: Would Gore or Kerry have spent less?

It's arguable that if Gore were elected in 2000, that Al Qaeda wouldn't have seen the need to attack us in the first place.

No, it's not.

I can entertain the possibility that Gore took those memos a little more seriously and thwarted the attack, but bin Laden didn't give a shiat which letter came after our president's name.


As seriously as Obama and Hillary took the memos saying "Our embassy is almost completely defenseless and we need better security" in the lead up to our Ambassador being killed in Benghazi?
 
2013-07-22 08:09:57 AM  

SunsetLament: TuteTibiImperes: The answer to the health care dilemma is pretty simple:

National single payer system - Medicare for everyone

Premiums paid out of taxes at a progressive rate like income taxes (which I'd argue should be higher at the upper income levels as well)

A panel of doctors and experts sets the reimbursement costs at a fair level that lets medical facilities keep the doors open but still minimize costs, adjustments are made every couple years, maybe with a codified COLA adjustment in-between

All medical facilities are required by law to accept the government insurance

All doctors and medical facilities are required by law to perform any treatment to preserve life and quality of life for any patient who comes through the doors.  Appropriate exceptions can be made for the elderly for whom extreme measures would just slightly postpone death by natural causes.

Birth control, vasectomies, and other treatments that serve to save money in the long run would be covered.

Reconstructive plastic surgery (after burns, traumatic injuries, or to address defects such as hare lips) would be covered.

Vanity treatments like breast implants, calf implants, penis enlargements, etc, would have to come out of the patient's pocket

There's one flaw in your plan (well, there's tons of flaws in your plan, but there's one overarching flaw in your plan) ... the rest of the country overwhelming disagrees with you.


Umm, no, single payer was the biggest supported health care option during that debate.

So yeah, technically right, but the people wanted universal, they got the Republican shiatty version instead.]

If anybody deserves credit for this iteration having its failings, it's people like you who have fully trained yourself to love suppressing the gag reflexes to fully service hegemony cock. But keep farking that textbook chicken.
 
2013-07-22 08:11:49 AM  

Satan's Chocolate Starfish: I think it's cute that the folks who think it's just wrong that they have to contribute to public assistance have no problem with federally subsidized home loans and student loans and pumping money into failing industries. They probably don't even understand that the roads they are driving on were paid for by other people.


I have an intern just like this. Self-Professed Republican, Birches endlessly about taxes taken out of his paycheck, then in the same breath complains about interests rates going up for student loans.
 
2013-07-22 08:12:23 AM  

SunsetLament: There's one flaw in your plan (well, there's tons of flaws in your plan, but there's one overarching flaw in your plan) ... the rest of the country overwhelming disagrees with you.


Never underestimate the ability of the US people to act against their own interests.
 
2013-07-22 08:12:25 AM  
I still vote democrat, but I'm no longer an ardent supporter. I see conservatives as exponentially worse, but I don't feel democrats have answers either, at least they aren't Republicans.
 
2013-07-22 08:12:27 AM  
Seeing as how I'm a capitalist/communist/liberal/consevative I'm getting a kick....

/honestly, you can't pigeonhole me.
 
2013-07-22 08:13:47 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: iq_in_binary: I'm actually thoroughly convinced that Fark did.


So the method of insulting you until you agree with them works?


Huh?

Hell I just read headlines dude, for the most part. It's the news they're making that pissed me off, not the half assed trolls that couldn't lyrically beat themselves out of a paper bag if they had to.

For people who I have any respect for, trolling means something, for people like you, it's like a kindergarten kid throwing dirt. You just ignore it, they have no idea what they're talking about anyway.
 
2013-07-22 08:15:19 AM  
My major issue is the growing police state. I'm against it and both major parties are for it. If we want to continue to be free to argue about taxes, guns, abortions, gay marriage, what countries to invade, immigration, etc. We need to stop the madness going on with the NSA and the militarization of the police. If it continues, soon we are not going to have any say in our politics.  I don't know which party will be in charge in the end.
 
2013-07-22 08:15:45 AM  
Abacus9:
You have to purchase auto insurance if you own a car. How is that different?

yeah but but but but that's a STATE law.  Not valid in VT!
 
2013-07-22 08:15:49 AM  

feckingmorons: make me some tea: feckingmorons: make me some tea: feckingmorons: I'd settle for the common mediocre.

What does that even mean?

I have no idea, this is a political discussion that started on TF.

Nice copout.

It is nonsense. What do you want it to mean.

This is why I don't like 'serious' political threads in TFD. Everyone says conservatives are terrible, complete arseholes, hate poor people, yet I'm a conservative and I don't think I'm terrible, I don't think I hate poor people. I don't think I'm an arsehole. I'm kind and helpful whenever I can be. I try to be patient and understanding of other's views and opinions, yet I'm unjustly vilified simply because of my political views and who I vote for. They don't let me run the Republican party, if they did it would be different, but I let my elected officials know my thoughts and I help others and my community as best I can.


Now you know how Muslims feel.
 
2013-07-22 08:18:12 AM  

SunsetLament: Wendy's Chili: AverageAmericanGuy: SunsetLament: Would Gore or Kerry have spent less?

It's arguable that if Gore were elected in 2000, that Al Qaeda wouldn't have seen the need to attack us in the first place.

No, it's not.

I can entertain the possibility that Gore took those memos a little more seriously and thwarted the attack, but bin Laden didn't give a shiat which letter came after our president's name.

As seriously as Obama and Hillary took the memos saying "Our embassy is almost completely defenseless and we need better security" in the lead up to our Ambassador being killed in Benghazi?


Dude, Benghazi is never going to be a thing. It's over.

Attempting to compare it to Bush's failures isn't helping your cause.
 
2013-07-22 08:19:06 AM  
Conservatives have convinced me to change from being conservative to liberal.

/or maybe it was just the definition of 'conservative' that changed.
 
2013-07-22 08:20:14 AM  
The Fark politics tab has convinced me to be apolitical.
 
2013-07-22 08:21:02 AM  

Ender's: I am now more conservative with hair and more liberal with who I share that story with.


except that what you just describe as policy isn't really 'conservative'

or is that the joke?  playing on how 'conservatives' don't even know that many of their policy positions aren't?
 
2013-07-22 08:21:29 AM  

iq_in_binary: Huh?

Hell I just read headlines dude, for the most part. It's the news they're making that pissed me off, not the half assed trolls that couldn't lyrically beat themselves out of a paper bag if they had to.

For people who I have any respect for, trolling means something, for people like you, it's like a kindergarten kid throwing dirt. You just ignore it, they have no idea what they're talking about anyway.


Heh, that was more of a poke at the people of Fark. Seems like political debate is more to insult as many people as possible
 
2013-07-22 08:23:12 AM  
I used to be moderately conservative. Now, I am moderately liberal. I thought I would become more conservative as I got older, but conservatism changed.
 
2013-07-22 08:23:19 AM  
I didn't care about the parties in the 1980s. In the 90s, Republicans started looking worse to me. But it wasn't until the invasion of Iraq that I decided to join the Democrats to oppose the Bush Administration. Course, I found them rather ineffective at that, and I still wonder why Bush and Cheney aren't in prison. But the alternative is unthinkable. Republicans now, both nationally and in states that they fully control, are hellbent on inflicting as much pain and suffering as they can. For people who claim to be Chistian, they betray everything Christ ever taught.
 
2013-07-22 08:23:58 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: SunsetLament: Wendy's Chili: AverageAmericanGuy: SunsetLament: Would Gore or Kerry have spent less?

It's arguable that if Gore were elected in 2000, that Al Qaeda wouldn't have seen the need to attack us in the first place.

No, it's not.

I can entertain the possibility that Gore took those memos a little more seriously and thwarted the attack, but bin Laden didn't give a shiat which letter came after our president's name.

As seriously as Obama and Hillary took the memos saying "Our embassy is almost completely defenseless and we need better security" in the lead up to our Ambassador being killed in Benghazi?

Dude, Benghazi is never going to be a thing. It's over.

Attempting to compare it to Bush's failures isn't helping your cause.


The Benghazi shiat stirrers are still jerking off over the Gulf of Tonkin incident. They don't understand that the rest of the country moved on from the issue long ago.
 
2013-07-22 08:28:21 AM  
I leaned conservative in the 80's and 90's. Then Tom DeLay, Bush & Cheney, Iraq, the California Energy Crisis and a hundred other scandals woke me up and made me a lot more sensible and aware.

Now I'm the biggest libby-lib of them all.
 
2013-07-22 08:29:01 AM  
I used to be a conservative. I even listened to Rush daily. Then I began reading, and meeting more people. I found out most of what I believed was bullshiat. Every assumption I had about our government turned out to be based on nothing more than talking points. My friends on facebook who were conservative reposted the most banal and inaccurate foolishness, and they drove me away from the surety I had felt with my views.
Then I read The Authoritarians, and from it I learned where my views were coming from. I was quite ashamed to find that so much of what I felt was based on fear. So, I guess now I'm a liberal.
 
2013-07-22 08:29:11 AM  
I like to think I've changed a few minds in the Zimmerman threads.
 
2013-07-22 08:29:27 AM  
I was, from 2003~2008, a Republican Conservative.

During this time period, I made several stupid mistakes that I'm still paying for.

I credit talk radio swinging me to conservatism, and then Fark.com and the lack of talk radio swinging me back.

Now I'm the type of person to randomly break out into "Do you hear the people sing", consider co-ops and credit unions, and worry about supporting the weakest.

"You can always tell the quality of the person by how they treat those in their power."

One of my phrases I've said repeatedly, "While we can always find and steer a middle passage betwixt the two, I would always prefer to be financially poor but morally rich, than morally poor and financially rich."
 
2013-07-22 08:33:49 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: I like to think I've changed a few minds in the Zimmerman threads.


Real conservatism really shouldn't be saddled with parochial racism.
 
2013-07-22 08:41:23 AM  
I came to this site as a hardcore conservative with "libertarian" leanings. Thanks to people on this site who can actually debate, discuss, and cite.... I got over it.

Now I find myself unable to be classified on the horribly skewed spectrum that is US politics; it don't go left enough.
 
2013-07-22 08:42:47 AM  
The Bush administration, religious right, and bile-spewing right wing more than convinced me that conservatism in America was not for me.
 
2013-07-22 08:43:59 AM  
I'm a liberal, but I subscribe to Austrian economics.  I'm not sure how I got here, but that's where I am.
 
2013-07-22 08:44:49 AM  
In high school I was very Republican mostly due to parental influences.  I voted for Engler, he won, and then saw immediately how it started affecting people who I met in college. I have never met a more determined, "bootstrappy" bunch trying to put themselves through school and how Republican directives hurt their progress.  That was my big switch.

Further on, when I found Jesus and went to a very conservative church, it further cemented by left wing beliefs and after 4 churches, I found one that's not insane.
 
2013-07-22 08:47:44 AM  
Sarah Palin convinced me to stop calling myself a moderate republican.
I'm a liberal now.


/thanks, Sarah
 
2013-07-22 08:48:53 AM  
Politics are just a means to enact policy.  What are the issues you personally want to see addressed through policy?

If you understand for example that CO2 contributes to global warming and that there are several man-made origins of CO2 then you would look to elect politicians who will work to limit these sources once in office.

If you have spent some time utilizing & thinking about the American health care system with it's many folks left uncovered and it's soring costs year after year then you would look to elect politicians who will work to do something about this problem.

Too many folks approach politics like a team sport through a tribal prism.  It's unhealthy for the body politic as a whole.  They choose sides and THEN look to their side to inform them about the issues, as illogical as that information may be.
 
2013-07-22 08:48:59 AM  

MattStafford: I'm a liberal, but I subscribe to Austrian economics.  I'm not sure how I got here, but that's where I am.


I can honestly say I've never seen the pendulum swing that way. Socially liberal and Keynesian, sure. Socially conservative and Keynesian, sure. Socially conservative and Hayek follower, you betcha.

But socially liberal and Austrian school? Man, that seems pretty rare.
 
2013-07-22 08:52:33 AM  
No.

And so long as conservative ideology remains mired with Flat Earthers, climate-change-deniers, homophobes, racists and misogynists, I don't think I'll ever identify as a conservative. A conservationist, sure. But not conservative.
 
2013-07-22 08:57:46 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: MattStafford: I'm a liberal, but I subscribe to Austrian economics.  I'm not sure how I got here, but that's where I am.

I can honestly say I've never seen the pendulum swing that way. Socially liberal and Keynesian, sure. Socially conservative and Keynesian, sure. Socially conservative and Hayek follower, you betcha.

But socially liberal and Austrian school? Man, that seems pretty rare.


Socially Liberal and a liking for surfing, drinking beer, and Aussie Rules Football....  I don't see anything too strange about that.
 
2013-07-22 08:58:07 AM  

feckingmorons: Eventually you run out of other people's money.


Well, let's start by making the billionaires and corporations (who currently pay zero taxes) start paying their fair share instead, and see how long until they run out of money, okay?
 
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