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2013-07-21 11:05:45 PM
7 votes:
They are both pretty good looking kids.  Of course, since this story is in the Sun, it's probably completely made up and the two teens are Ukrainians or Bulgarians or something, and the Sun just stole the picture from their Facebook and made up the story to sell papers to their barely literate audience who only buy the paper to look at the tits on Page 3.

But other than that, it's a nice story.
2013-07-22 06:32:10 AM
4 votes:

HotWingAgenda: So if the answer is, "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," then how is each gender defined? What is the objective difference between a man and a woman? If we insist on using two discrete polar terms, there must be some specific physical demarcation that defines them.


There's a difference between gender and sex. At a chromosomal level we're all stuck with the sex we're born with, that doesn't mean we can't identify more strongly with the different gender. Most of us are lucky enough to have gender and sex match up, for some people they're different.

Anyhow, it's not a big deal for you to refer to people as the gender they identify as rather than as the sex they were born, is it? Even if you personally can't understand why someone would want to make the transition it's not like it somehow takes away from your masculinity/femininity, any more than gay people getting married somehow undermines your straight marriage.
2013-07-22 02:48:56 AM
4 votes:

HotWingAgenda: So if the answer is, "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," then how is each gender defined? What is the objective difference between a man and a woman? If we insist on using two discrete polar terms, there must be some specific physical demarcation that defines them.


I wouldn't say "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," I'd say "A person's gender is what they say it is."

Gender is a social construct. It's not the same thing as what genitalia you were born with, or what your chromosonal make-up is, or what is broadly referred to as "biological sex." What it is to be a "man" or a "woman" differs in every society in the world. Hell, there was a time when women wearing pants were considered to be pretending to be men.
2013-07-22 07:17:55 AM
3 votes:
People with gender dysphoria disorder who want to change sex go to plastic surgeons and they cut off perfectly normal, functioning body parts to match their delusion. People with body integrity identity disorder who think just as strongly they should be amputees or even paraplegics in wheelchairs go to orthopedic surgeons and they refuse to mutilate the patients to feed that delusion.
2013-07-21 10:19:20 PM
3 votes:
I would love to be the meat in that sandwich.
2013-07-22 12:25:41 PM
2 votes:

This text is now purple: Gunther: Anyhow, it's not a big deal for you to refer to people as the gender they identify as rather than as the sex they were born, is it?

Ignacio Gonzalez de Arriba identified himself as the reincarnation of Christ. He got busted in Mexico fairly recently because his followers treated him like he was, and got all cult-y.

Perhaps it's not the best idea to mindlessly indulge someone's delusion of grandeur.


Well, it's good to know you're keeping perspective on this and aren't leaping to ludicrously hyperbolic slippery slope examples.
2013-07-22 08:09:52 AM
2 votes:

xellas84: IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Ahh, it's one of "these" threads again.

Us trans people, we get tons of psychotherapy.  We get more therapy than you can shake a stick at.  WPATH standards of care mandate a ton of psychological work before you can even consider hormonal/surgical intervention.

There are trans people who get by perfectly fine without hormonal and surgical intervention.  You normal folks typically don't hear about them, coz it's not interesting.  Those of us who proceed into medical intervention...it means NOTHING ELSE WORKS!  We've done the therapy, we've done drugs and pills, and we're still on the edge of suicide.  Aligning our body with our minds is the last ditch effort to keep us from offing ourselves.

I'm just fine with that.  But now we're seeing people who don't even want it listed as a disorder, they want it listed as just a normal thing.  That's NOT NORMAL.  Normal people do not have suicidal thoughts due to something they were born with.  If I walked into a doctor and said "Hey, my hand makes me want to kill myself, can you cut it off for me?" then the doctor would rightly diagnose me as having a mental disorder.  The treatment may entail removal of my hand if no other option came up, but it is still a disorder.

I'm not suggesting the treatment not be available.  I'm suggesting it should be, and STAY, a final ditch effort instead of having a social agenda pushed to 'normalize' it, which seems to be happening.




Bullshiat. It's not a "social agenda" to protect any human being from discrimination and stigma from bigoted farks like you who insist that being TG is a "mental illness".

Genetics and epigenetics shape sex and gender. It's a natural process where sometimes the brain structure/patterning doesn't match the chromosomes during in utero development. Show me how therapy can be used to change brain structure. I'll wait.
2013-07-22 07:55:37 AM
2 votes:

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Ahh, it's one of "these" threads again.

Us trans people, we get tons of psychotherapy.  We get more therapy than you can shake a stick at.  WPATH standards of care mandate a ton of psychological work before you can even consider hormonal/surgical intervention.

There are trans people who get by perfectly fine without hormonal and surgical intervention.  You normal folks typically don't hear about them, coz it's not interesting.  Those of us who proceed into medical intervention...it means NOTHING ELSE WORKS!  We've done the therapy, we've done drugs and pills, and we're still on the edge of suicide.  Aligning our body with our minds is the last ditch effort to keep us from offing ourselves.


I'm just fine with that.  But now we're seeing people who don't even want it listed as a disorder, they want it listed as just a normal thing.  That's NOT NORMAL.  Normal people do not have suicidal thoughts due to something they were born with.  If I walked into a doctor and said "Hey, my hand makes me want to kill myself, can you cut it off for me?" then the doctor would rightly diagnose me as having a mental disorder.  The treatment may entail removal of my hand if no other option came up, but it is still a disorder.

I'm not suggesting the treatment not be available.  I'm suggesting it should be, and STAY, a final ditch effort instead of having a social agenda pushed to 'normalize' it, which seems to be happening.
2013-07-22 07:19:27 AM
2 votes:

Sgygus: FloydA: it's probably completely made up

Line of hair descending from navel of the formerly-female young man?  Unlikely.


Double mastectomy a month ago and no scar? No way.
2013-07-22 06:44:54 AM
2 votes:

xellas84: Rincewind53: HotWingAgenda: So if the answer is, "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," then how is each gender defined? What is the objective difference between a man and a woman? If we insist on using two discrete polar terms, there must be some specific physical demarcation that defines them.

I wouldn't say "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," I'd say "A person's gender is what they say it is."

Gender is a social construct. It's not the same thing as what genitalia you were born with, or what your chromosonal make-up is, or what is broadly referred to as "biological sex." What it is to be a "man" or a "woman" differs in every society in the world. Hell, there was a time when women wearing pants were considered to be pretending to be men.

I'm still of the mindset that you have 'biological sex' and then 'mental illness'.  Your gender is what your chromosomes say, nothing more, nothing less.  And if you disagree... well then you be nuts.

Then again, if that's their choice, I suppose they are entitled to it.  I mean, we've got people who choose to get metal shoved through their junk too, it's just yet another expensive body mod.  But I don't legitimize it by saying that it's anything but someone who's mildly crazy getting support from people who should be trying to talk them back into sense.  This is basically like someone saying they're an alchoholic and having their friends and family hand them 40's instead of getting them proper help.


Welcome to the dustbin of history. Your "mindset" is now one of prejudice and ignorance.

People who feel they are the wrong sex are driven crazy by people like you, usualy in their own family.
2013-07-22 05:40:00 AM
2 votes:
Luke's got birthin' hips.
2013-07-22 02:32:32 AM
2 votes:

HotWingAgenda: Where is the line drawn then? Many older women must take testosterone for normal health reasons, but their gender is not referred to as male because of it. Many women diagnosed with breast cancer must have mastectomies, but they are still women. Does the transition occur the moment someone decides to change?


Well, there's a big difference between taking testosterone to replace what you've lost, and taking massive doses to fundamentally alter your body chemistry.

If a person identifies as a man, let him. There's no clear line. Breasts or lack thereof has nothing to do with gender. Keira Knightley is flat as a board, but no one says she's not a woman.

Gender is self-identifying. Buck Angel says he always identified as a man. He underwent hormone therapy, had his breasts removed, and had pectoral implants, and yet that isn't what "changed" him from a woman to a man. That just reinforced it.
2013-07-21 10:42:44 PM
2 votes:
Sounds like they are both lucky to have supportive parents.  Good on 'em.
2013-07-23 01:05:49 PM
1 votes:
you are what your genes say you are, no matter how much you mutilate your body.
2013-07-22 04:49:31 PM
1 votes:

Luse: radarlove: Luse: radarlove: Luse: radarlove: Luse: For a gay mildly femmy bisexual guy he grabs alot of boob sure does like marrying and having children with people of the opposite gender an awful lot, and occasionally has romances with men as well.

There we go, all better.  Though it does lose most of its impact.

Actually it works even better. Since he claimed to be gay in the past and that was his excuse.
Thanks

He first married in '86.  His first kid was born in '88.  Everybody who has ever met Andy Dick knows he's not gay.  His excuse for his lecherous behavior, as far as I've seen, has always been that he's an alcoholic and addict.

And it is completely inconcievable that someone might use, "I identify as a woman." as an excuse to enter a women's locker room @ a gym for example.

I don't care about that.  I didn't even read the rest of your post and neither know nor care where you stand on the issue.  But Andy's name caught my eye and when I read your statement about him I said, "Well, there goes any credibility that person had, regardless of where s/he stands on the issue of transgendered people."

I had to point it out because I felt that it was my responsibility to inform a fellow Farker that when you make provably false statements due to assumptions and lack of research nobody will take anything else you say in the thread seriously, no matter how correct you are or what the topic is.

Let it be a lesson.

If you wish. I only said he was gay becauase I have heard him self identify as such. I did not read his life story nor do I care to.
The fact that he either mis identified himself or changed what he identifies himself as actually furthers my point.
Women and men in the US are overall uncomfortable with genetic males in a "female only" place.
Part of the concern about trans is you must take their word. Even if they are Andy Dick.


Again, I don't care about your point or position.  Through intellectual laziness, you posted information that is fairly widely known as false.  Ergo, all previous and subsequent posts of yours will be viewed by people as equally intellectually lazy.  That Andy ever claimed to be gay is irrelevant, because it is widely known that he is not and said information is very easily available by typing the name "Andy Dick" into any search engine..  Similarly, Rock Hudson and Mr. Brady claimed to be straight, but if you were to go into a thread and claim that either of them were straight you would discredit everything else you say in the thread because it is widely known that they were, in fact, gay.

Regardless of whatever the hell your point is, my point is that nobody is going to take your point seriously, because you've proven yourself to be intellectually lazy.

Always remember to do your research before making a factual post, regardless of how benign and blatantly obvious you feel your fact is.  Because if you're wrong, you discredit everything else you say, no matter how factually correct and important it may be.

Better luck next thread!  =)
2013-07-22 04:47:58 PM
1 votes:

Qellaqan: codergirl42: Qellaqan: I think people have trouble understanding trangender because we think of surgery and it involves so much pain. I know it's a total speculation, but I can't imagine feeling upset enough to undergo surgery, even if I were forced to live my life as a man rather than a woman. In fact, I've felt annoyed by the idea that there are behaviors for men and behaviors for women. Can't I just be a person? That seems to have been the movement for years, but this seems to go against the flow of that.

I think this is what just puzzles people who don't know any transgendered people in life and don't have those feelings either. It's different than the reaction to people who are gay, because, honestly, what is the harm in bumping uglies with a different set of parts? But surgery and hormones and therapy, are, well, frightening and kind of alarming. It's hard to understand feeling the need for that, and thus the mind goes toward those people who want their limbs amputated and munchausen's and the like.

As someone who is not transgendered and has been a bit skeptical, the feeling that there must be some other way comes up. I'll accept that there isn't, but I think there's more going on than petty squeamishness for many people. Maybe it's this kind of reaction that leads people to try to treat cancer with holistic medicine-- the overwhelming feeling that horrible chemicals like chemotherapy couldn't possibly help matters.

Not all trans people need or want surgery and hormones. It's up to the individual person to decide that for themselves, under the guidance of a therapist and a doctor. Some states now don't even require surgery as a prerequisite to have gender marker changed on your documentation.

I'm all for people living happier lives and I'm happy to hear that. I know I assumed all transgenders (my computer is always correcting this word to transponders, which amuses me because I'm special) has surgery before I read the threads here over the years, so I wou ...


Maybe that's what the SUN needs to do for their next article: "Transgender Person Leads Normal Life"
2013-07-22 04:04:08 PM
1 votes:

Luse: For a gay mildly femmy bisexual guy he grabs alot of boob sure does like marrying and having children with people of the opposite gender an awful lot, and occasionally has romances with men as well.


There we go, all better.  Though it does lose most of its impact.
2013-07-22 03:30:58 PM
1 votes:

Matthew Keene: Yeah, I guess it's a real drag living in the wrong body. I'm 58, balding, slightly overweight. I wonder if they can help me. This is what I want to look like.

[i14.photobucket.com image 338x600]


I've read two autobiographies by TG people. You're thinking the surgery is some kind of magic; walk in male and walk out looking like that girl in the pic. In the cases I read about it's closer to: Spend several years in therapy, thousands of hours dealing with maddening side-effects of hormone blockers and opposite hormones, practice being your new gender fulltime for a year while simultaneously losing your friends and family and trying to make new ones, and THEN drop $50,000 on painful surgery with significant lifetime maintenance needs.

You could look like that picture you posted for one-tenth as much effort and money. You just don't want it nearly bad enough...same as me.
2013-07-22 01:13:22 PM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: So if the answer is, "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," then how is each gender defined? What is the objective difference between a man and a woman? If we insist on using two discrete polar terms, there must be some specific physical demarcation that defines them.


You might be confusing sex and gender here.  The way I see it, sex is the body parts.  Gender is self identification based on natural inclinations and cultural expectations for the sexes.  And the vast majority will always be clearly in one camp or the other, and I personally don't care that there are a very small minority existing somewhere in the middle or somewhere beyond the dichotomy.
2013-07-22 12:00:26 PM
1 votes:

mafiageek1980: Tumunga: Rincewind53: Good for them. They're an adorable couple.
Sgygus: FloydA: it's probably completely made up

Line of hair descending from navel of the formerly-female young man?  Unlikely.

Testosterone does some pretty incredible things to the body:[thetfs.ca image 407x305]That's the same person, pre-gender transition and post-gender transition. Though he kept the bottom parts.
[img.poptower.com image 599x381]

This one has a mail-order pecker she glues to herself.

/I like this show.

Me too. It's a guilty pleasure, but a FUNNY guilty pleasure! I can't get enough of Joan's foul mouth! She's an inspiration to me, lol! I don't see how Irwin puts up with her, lol!

As for the article, i found it suddenly dusty in my cubical. I am a FTM transgender, but I am keeping my parts (and not taking T) until after I have children. I feel very blessed to have a supportive hubby and friends. My family doesn't quite get it, but they aren't dicks about it either.


So you want to be a girl to have babies, then change to a guy?  Interesting.
2013-07-22 11:11:29 AM
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: He's just wondering why this particular mental illness is treated with drastic surgery. It's a valid question.


One person's mental illness is another person's physical deformity. Your mileage will vary.
2013-07-22 10:58:29 AM
1 votes:
When he was a she, it was nsfw to show the nipples.

Now she's a he and it is safe for work to show the nipples.

Why was it bad then, but not bad now?
2013-07-22 10:49:43 AM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: bhcompy: , isn't allowed in combat roles,

Well lucky for everyone that's being done away with. Indeed the Air Force did away with it years ago.


Hopefully one day they can die for their country involuntarily while being drafted as well.
2013-07-22 09:59:20 AM
1 votes:

Gunther: HotWingAgenda: So if the answer is, "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," then how is each gender defined? What is the objective difference between a man and a woman? If we insist on using two discrete polar terms, there must be some specific physical demarcation that defines them.

There's a difference between gender and sex. At a chromosomal level we're all stuck with the sex we're born with, that doesn't mean we can't identify more strongly with the different gender. Most of us are lucky enough to have gender and sex match up, for some people they're different.

Anyhow, it's not a big deal for you to refer to people as the gender they identify as rather than as the sex they were born, is it? Even if you personally can't understand why someone would want to make the transition it's not like it somehow takes away from your masculinity/femininity, any more than gay people getting married somehow undermines your straight marriage.


It's a big deal when a female doesn't have to sign up for Selective Service, isn't allowed in combat roles, etc.
2013-07-22 09:45:18 AM
1 votes:
For anyone calling bullshiat on this article (I mean, they are still teens and not fully developed), look at the hips. I'm not a biology/anatomy major or anything. You can chop or build sexual organs, you can shave an adam's apple or brow bone, you can take hormones for hair growth. But you can't do anything about hip bones.


/Good for them, btw.
2013-07-22 09:44:00 AM
1 votes:
Fake, fake, fake.

Hormones and surgery can do a lot of things but growing cartilage for the adams apple?
2013-07-22 09:03:52 AM
1 votes:
Can't we get more photos that make the penis confused and angry?
2013-07-22 08:57:43 AM
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: Matthew Keene: Yeah, I guess it's a real drag living in the wrong body. I'm 58, balding, slightly overweight. I wonder if they can help me. This is what I want to look like.

[i14.photobucket.com image 338x600]

I'm sure QA can help you out.


I wish. Then I could watch as you refuse to use anti-aging technology, right?
2013-07-22 08:41:53 AM
1 votes:

sendtodave: Rincewind53: Your "normal" is a ridiculous creation of your imagination. No one is normal.

Do you know what a norm is?

norm (nôrm)n. A standard, model, or pattern regarded as typical: the current middle-class norm of two children per family.
nor•mal (nôrˈməl)adj. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
Technically, most people are normal.  That's what it means.


By your definition, every person has aspects of them that are normal, and every person has aspects of them that are abnormal. Fixating on a single one of them and declaring that a person is "abnormal" as a result is absurd.
2013-07-22 08:29:17 AM
1 votes:

Rincewind53: You have no idea what you're talking about. Face it. Multiple people have told you that there is hard scientific evidence that it's an innate feature that you're born with.

Your "normal" is a ridiculous creation of your imagination. No one is normal.


He's just wondering why this particular mental illness is treated with drastic surgery. It's a valid question.
2013-07-22 08:14:36 AM
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FloydA: They are both pretty good looking kids.  Of course, since this story is in the Sun, it's probably completely made up and the two teens are Ukrainians or Bulgarians or something, and the Sun just stole the picture from their Facebook and made up the story to sell papers to their barely literate audience who only buy the paper to look at the tits on Page 3.

Is that wrong?


Yes. One should never pay for pictures of tits.

HotWingAgenda: So if the answer is, "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," then how is each gender defined? What is the objective difference between a man and a woman? If we insist on using two discrete polar terms, there must be some specific physical demarcation that defines them.


That right there is sometimes part of the problem.
2013-07-22 08:07:10 AM
1 votes:

xellas84: 'm just fine with that.  But now we're seeing people who don't even want it listed as a disorder, they want it listed as just a normal thing.  That's NOT NORMAL.  Normal people do not have suicidal thoughts due to something they were born with.  If I walked into a doctor and said "Hey, my hand makes me want to kill myself, can you cut it off for me?" then the doctor would rightly diagnose me as having a mental disorder.  The treatment may entail removal of my hand if no other option came up, but it is still a disorder.

I'm not suggesting the treatment not be available.  I'm suggesting it should be, and STAY, a final ditch effort instead of having a social agenda pushed to 'normalize' it, which seems to be happening.


Too late! You lost, it's no longer listed as a disorder.

And yes, it's not normal, from a statistical perspective. But, for that matter, statistically neither is homosexuality, being black, or any other minority grouping you like.

My grandfather was a neuroendocrinologist for decades. During that time, he held several people transition, including one woman transition to a man. He's a renowed scientist in his field. He knows more than most anyone else about neuroendocrinology (the study of hormones in the brain, which is majorly important when it comes to being transgender). He doesn't believe it's a disorder at all, just a fact that some people are born with the wrong gender's hormones and brain patterns. But I guess he doesn't know anything, because you're so damn clear on the issue.

I suggest you have a nice long chat with one of Fark's transpeople. There are already some of them in the thread. Have a chat with them about how they're mentally ill. Tell them they have a disorder and they need to be cured.
2013-07-22 07:49:58 AM
1 votes:
Something doesn't sit right with these pictures. Bone structure and muscle development looks too masculine and feminine.
2013-07-22 07:42:35 AM
1 votes:

doofusgumby: xellas84: Rincewind53: HotWingAgenda: So if the answer is, "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," then how is each gender defined? What is the objective difference between a man and a woman? If we insist on using two discrete polar terms, there must be some specific physical demarcation that defines them.

I wouldn't say "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," I'd say "A person's gender is what they say it is."

Gender is a social construct. It's not the same thing as what genitalia you were born with, or what your chromosonal make-up is, or what is broadly referred to as "biological sex." What it is to be a "man" or a "woman" differs in every society in the world. Hell, there was a time when women wearing pants were considered to be pretending to be men.

I'm still of the mindset that you have 'biological sex' and then 'mental illness'.  Your gender is what your chromosomes say, nothing more, nothing less.  And if you disagree... well then you be nuts.

Then again, if that's their choice, I suppose they are entitled to it.  I mean, we've got people who choose to get metal shoved through their junk too, it's just yet another expensive body mod.  But I don't legitimize it by saying that it's anything but someone who's mildly crazy getting support from people who should be trying to talk them back into sense.  This is basically like someone saying they're an alchoholic and having their friends and family hand them 40's instead of getting them proper help.

Welcome to the dustbin of history. Your "mindset" is now one of prejudice and ignorance.

People who feel they are the wrong sex are driven crazy by people like you, usualy in their own family.


Really?  I'd think that paying attention to physical reality is kind of important.

These people are the equivalent of someone who's way into Star Trek insisting they're a vulcan and having their ears pointed and refusing to acknowledge that they are human.  If that happened, people around them would rightly say "Hey, no you aren't.  See, your genetics prove it."  Same thing here... they have a mental problem that doesn't line up with physical reality.  Someone should be pointing to these people and saying "No, see, you aren't a woman, you were born with a penis, you need to accept that yes, you ARE a male, and that the part of your brain saying otherwise is not normal and you should ignore it."

As posted elsewhere, we have disorders in the mind that make people insist that they are an amputee and their limbs aren't supposed to be there.  Surgeons won't remove those offending limbs now will they?  This is a form of mental illness.  A mild one to be certain, and these people are no danger to themselves or others.  Hell they have a right to request whatever mods they want to their own bodies, but let's not treat it as anything but a disorder.  Remember, the definition of disorder is "a disturbance in physical or mental health or functions", and having your brain insist that your body is the wrong gender is definitely a disruption in mental health.
2013-07-22 07:10:03 AM
1 votes:
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2013-07-22 06:51:35 AM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: So if the answer is, "A person's gender changes whenever they say it does," then how is each gender defined?


It never ceases to amaze me how quickly someone will fall apart over someone else's dangly bits. Does it matter?
2013-07-22 06:49:00 AM
1 votes:
I hate it when little girls dance in crap like that.  It is unnecessarily grown up.
2013-07-22 06:35:16 AM
1 votes:
Two people who weren't happy in their own bodies are now happier, and have found someone to be with who likes them. In other words, a cool story bro!
2013-07-22 12:40:35 AM
1 votes:

Good for them. They're an adorable couple.


Sgygus: FloydA: it's probably completely made up

Line of hair descending from navel of the formerly-female young man?  Unlikely.


Testosterone does some pretty incredible things to the body:

thetfs.ca

That's the same person, pre-gender transition and post-gender transition. Though he kept the bottom parts.

2013-07-22 12:04:41 AM
1 votes:

ThunderPelvis: Sounds like they are both lucky to have supportive parents.  Good on 'em.


THIS.

FTA: Arin's mum Denise says: "There are still people we don't interact with any more. I know they questioned me as a parent."

They may have lost some "friends" in the process but they did the right thing in supporting their kids.
2013-07-21 11:35:39 PM
1 votes:
Cute.
 
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