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2013-07-22 08:29:11 PM

Luse: mafiageek1980: zabadu: mafiageek1980: Tumunga: Rincewind53: Good for them. They're an adorable couple.
Sgygus: FloydA: it's probably completely made up

Line of hair descending from navel of the formerly-female young man?  Unlikely.

Testosterone does some pretty incredible things to the body:[thetfs.ca image 407x305]That's the same person, pre-gender transition and post-gender transition. Though he kept the bottom parts.
[img.poptower.com image 599x381]

This one has a mail-order pecker she glues to herself.

/I like this show.

Me too. It's a guilty pleasure, but a FUNNY guilty pleasure! I can't get enough of Joan's foul mouth! She's an inspiration to me, lol! I don't see how Irwin puts up with her, lol!

As for the article, i found it suddenly dusty in my cubical. I am a FTM transgender, but I am keeping my parts (and not taking T) until after I have children. I feel very blessed to have a supportive hubby and friends. My family doesn't quite get it, but they aren't dicks about it either.

So you want to be a girl to have babies, then change to a guy?  Interesting.

yes, very. I find nothing wrong with that at all. I don't deny I was born with my parts, but it doesn't mean I have to like them either. As far as I am considered, I am a guy mentally. I just want to (eventually) turn that mentalness into physical. So yeah, use the damn parts I am annoyed with for a GOOD reason and ditch em after I'm done.

See, now that unfortunately opens up the whole nature vs nurture thing regarding homosexuality.
Also, while I see your approach as highly practical I could also see the other side of the argument. If you dislike/don't feel right being female, why give birth? If there is one thing a woman can do that a man cannot it's that. If you hold affection for that part of you, why give it up?

On a deeper level, WHAT is male or female? Why can't you act butch without a fake penis? Why can't you be feminine with one? I know several fabulous people that certainly are.
I dunno, maybe having the dangly bits is more important, all I'm saying is, it'll never work right again mate.


To put it simply: I wasn't in control of what parts I was born with and until bio men can have wombs, I might as well use these useless parts for something. Kids are a blessing I am looking forward to experiencing.SO, since I have the parts, why not use them for good, and get rid of them later to reflect better who I am on the inside on the out. I'm not ashamed of the parts I was assigned, I just see them as nothing more than tools to help bring life into the world. As for sexuality, chew on this dear farker: I am pansexual and my hubby is bisexual ;)
 
2013-07-22 08:42:00 PM
Once again, very practical approach.

As for your relationship, congratulations. Your plans must really be cool to your husband, as he gets you in both flavors so to speak. You could probably write a book about it.

All I am saying is that your situation is incredibly rare when you weigh it against 7 billion people. If nothing else, the two stories I mentioned earlier point to a whole lot of confusion. Now, we need to create a committee and categorize every single possible combination of gender/sex relationship. Yours is quite unique if I may add. This of course leads to everyone having to study up, and keep current with the latest version, as not to be in the wrong wave of course.

I could understand why the simple rule of you use whichever restroom your dangly bits coincide with is attractive.
See, this solution, while admittedly not perfect inconveniences slightly a small percentile of the populous, costs nothing to implement and does not discriminate against anyone. Even the religious among us can't be offended by it.

You know, needs of the many

/also practical
 
2013-07-22 09:08:15 PM
I never comment on threads....but I just have to this time...because:

"Your gender is what your chromosomes say, nothing more, nothing less.  And if you disagree... well then you be nuts."

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAaaa....ahahah..heh...aaah, that made me laugh.

Oh sweetie, if only life were that simple, but therein lies the beauty of it all.

(oh, and btw, actual Ph.D. in this field here, so I'm not just spouting out my ass)

XX and XY is neither the end or the destination...it's merely an...influence, on gender. Sure, most of the genes you need to define "maleness" are on the Y chromosome....but then shiate starts gettin' tricksy. There are a wwhooooooooooollllleeee host of other genes involved (not on the sex chromosomes), including a large number of which that we know diddly-squat about, that if you get one little thing wrong you can get all sorts of strange things going on.

The genes that turn on "gender" (and not just the ones that give the physical appearance) are more of a cascade of events. We know of plenty that when they get mutated cause problems with either testosterone or estrogen production/uptake, including one that interferes with the absorption of testosterone during development, yielding a phenotypical female...until puberty when another testosterone receptor turns on and that person suddenly turns male.... And you thought YOUR puberty was rough! ;)

And don't even get me started on all the new research showing maternal and paternal genes showing different levels of activation in the brain in daughters vs. sons. Meaning, if your a girl yo mamma's genes be rulin your brain, but if you're a boy you get more of your dad's. What controls that? *shrugs* We dunno! Could be anything! What happens when that goes slightly side-wise? Who knows! Point being, the fact that there are people out there who are stuck in a female or male body and yet feel the opposite gender does not surprise me in the least.

/rant off
//how do you know you're the gender you're supposed to be?
 
2013-07-22 09:16:14 PM

Mgalbgib: I never comment on threads....but I just have to this time...because:


/rant off
//how do you know you're the gender you're ...


Now that question I like. If I may...

Supposed to be as determined by whom?
 
2013-07-22 09:18:16 PM

Luse: Once again, very practical approach.

As for your relationship, congratulations. Your plans must really be cool to your husband, as he gets you in both flavors so to speak. You could probably write a book about it.

All I am saying is that your situation is incredibly rare when you weigh it against 7 billion people. If nothing else, the two stories I mentioned earlier point to a whole lot of confusion. Now, we need to create a committee and categorize every single possible combination of gender/sex relationship. Yours is quite unique if I may add. This of course leads to everyone having to study up, and keep current with the latest version, as not to be in the wrong wave of course.

I could understand why the simple rule of you use whichever restroom your dangly bits coincide with is attractive.
See, this solution, while admittedly not perfect inconveniences slightly a small percentile of the populous, costs nothing to implement and does not discriminate against anyone. Even the religious among us can't be offended by it.

You know, needs of the many

/also practical


Thank you :) I like how you are approaching this subject and it's rare to see someone approaching this on fark with an open mind.

Yes, I admit: I feel very lucky to have a strong support system and people like me are rare. It's not easy at times (bathrooms in public places are a pain in the ass, but I deal), but I have it GREAT compared with my fellow Transgenders/Transsexuals.

If it helps any, no situation will be "the same" when it comes to being Trans. But if you think about it, no matter what your gender/sex/orientation/relationship status is, NO ONE is really "the same" and in a way, you really can't categorize people to an exact tee. A good example of this would be religion and spirituality (two separate things). You may say "Hey, I am a Baptist", but, it's not that simple. I mean, what TYPE of Baptist are you.

And it's that example above as to why I don't get why people get all picky/upset if they are called the wrong pronoun. Unless the person is being a dick about it (ie, calling the person "it"), I don't understand the jumpiness of some folks. To me, people simply don't know! Why not EDUCATE folks that may not get it. In my case, I'm gonna get called "she" because physically I LOOK like the gender that has been assigned to me be society (farking big boobs, ugh!). I don't get upset about it. I just correct the person. Now if they call me "it", I'm GONNA get pissed off and fire a few f-bombs at the person as I'm walking away.

I guess what I'm really saying when it comes to being Trans/Human in general, we are all Transformers (More than meets the eye, LMFAO!)
 
2013-07-22 09:25:25 PM

mafiageek1980: Luse: Once again, very practical approach.

As for your relationship, congratulations. Your plans must really be cool to your husband, as he gets you in both flavors so to speak. You could probably write a book about it.

All I am saying is that your situation is incredibly rare when you weigh it against 7 billion people. If nothing else, the two stories I mentioned earlier point to a whole lot of confusion. Now, we need to create a committee and categorize every single possible combination of gender/sex relationship. Yours is quite unique if I may add. This of course leads to everyone having to study up, and keep current with the latest version, as not to be in the wrong wave of course.

I could understand why the simple rule of you use whichever restroom your dangly bits coincide with is attractive.
See, this solution, while admittedly not perfect inconveniences slightly a small percentile of the populous, costs nothing to implement and does not discriminate against anyone. Even the religious among us can't be offended by it.

You know, needs of the many

/also practical

Thank you :) I like how you are approaching this subject and it's rare to see someone approaching this on fark with an open mind.

Yes, I admit: I feel very lucky to have a strong support system and people like me are rare. It's not easy at times (bathrooms in public places are a pain in the ass, but I deal), but I have it GREAT compared with my fellow Transgenders/Transsexuals.

If it helps any, no situation will be "the same" when it comes to being Trans. But if you think about it, no matter what your gender/sex/orientation/relationship status is, NO ONE is really "the same" and in a way, you really can't categorize people to an exact tee. A good example of this would be religion and spirituality (two separate things). You may say "Hey, I am a Baptist", but, it's not that simple. I mean, what TYPE of Baptist are you.

And it's that example above as to why I don't get why people get all picky/up ...


^That.  Approaching this conversation with an open mind was easy, so was yours. If you don't try to stick me with a label I'll return the favor. Sadly too many times the "ists" get in and everyone needs a tidey little #labelgoeshere.

Anywho, you sound like someone I'd drink beer with. Cheers!
 
2013-07-22 09:50:11 PM

Luse: mafiageek1980: Luse: Once again, very practical approach.

As for your relationship, congratulations. Your plans must really be cool to your husband, as he gets you in both flavors so to speak. You could probably write a book about it.

All I am saying is that your situation is incredibly rare when you weigh it against 7 billion people. If nothing else, the two stories I mentioned earlier point to a whole lot of confusion. Now, we need to create a committee and categorize every single possible combination of gender/sex relationship. Yours is quite unique if I may add. This of course leads to everyone having to study up, and keep current with the latest version, as not to be in the wrong wave of course.

I could understand why the simple rule of you use whichever restroom your dangly bits coincide with is attractive.
See, this solution, while admittedly not perfect inconveniences slightly a small percentile of the populous, costs nothing to implement and does not discriminate against anyone. Even the religious among us can't be offended by it.

You know, needs of the many

/also practical

Thank you :) I like how you are approaching this subject and it's rare to see someone approaching this on fark with an open mind.

Yes, I admit: I feel very lucky to have a strong support system and people like me are rare. It's not easy at times (bathrooms in public places are a pain in the ass, but I deal), but I have it GREAT compared with my fellow Transgenders/Transsexuals.

If it helps any, no situation will be "the same" when it comes to being Trans. But if you think about it, no matter what your gender/sex/orientation/relationship status is, NO ONE is really "the same" and in a way, you really can't categorize people to an exact tee. A good example of this would be religion and spirituality (two separate things). You may say "Hey, I am a Baptist", but, it's not that simple. I mean, what TYPE of Baptist are you.

And it's that example above as to why I don't get why people g ...


Hell yes! I'm CONVINCED beer could really bring world peace!
 
2013-07-23 01:24:30 AM

Sgygus: FloydA: it's probably completely made up

Line of hair descending from navel of the formerly-female young man?  Unlikely.


My 23yo daughter has a very furry "happy trail".  While I don't think they are very common, a lot of her peers are very into hair removal, so you wouldn't realize they had one normally.  In her case, she doesn't bother and her bf is ok with it, so she leaves it.  So yeah, one little line of hair does not rule out previous feminine.
 
2013-07-23 01:54:20 AM

balancing act: My 23yo daughter has a very furry "happy trail"


i have to be honest, brutally. I have never heard ones mother call her daughters hair growth a happy trail. And I think thats weird. I can dig it- it sounds like you and your daughter have a healthy relationship, which is awesome. Its just still odd to me, raised as i was, and im only 45 . Glad not everyone had a-holes for parents
Peace and Long Life
 
2013-07-23 02:12:43 AM
I have the weirdest bonercameltoe right now.
 
2013-07-23 09:08:11 AM

mafiageek1980: Luse: mafiageek1980: zabadu: mafiageek1980: Tumunga: Rincewind53: Good for them. They're an adorable couple.
Sgygus: FloydA: it's probably completely made up

Line of hair descending from navel of the formerly-female young man?  Unlikely.

Testosterone does some pretty incredible things to the body:[thetfs.ca image 407x305]That's the same person, pre-gender transition and post-gender transition. Though he kept the bottom parts.
[img.poptower.com image 599x381]

This one has a mail-order pecker she glues to herself.

/I like this show.

Me too. It's a guilty pleasure, but a FUNNY guilty pleasure! I can't get enough of Joan's foul mouth! She's an inspiration to me, lol! I don't see how Irwin puts up with her, lol!

As for the article, i found it suddenly dusty in my cubical. I am a FTM transgender, but I am keeping my parts (and not taking T) until after I have children. I feel very blessed to have a supportive hubby and friends. My family doesn't quite get it, but they aren't dicks about it either.

So you want to be a girl to have babies, then change to a guy?  Interesting.

yes, very. I find nothing wrong with that at all. I don't deny I was born with my parts, but it doesn't mean I have to like them either. As far as I am considered, I am a guy mentally. I just want to (eventually) turn that mentalness into physical. So yeah, use the damn parts I am annoyed with for a GOOD reason and ditch em after I'm done.

See, now that unfortunately opens up the whole nature vs nurture thing regarding homosexuality.
Also, while I see your approach as highly practical I could also see the other side of the argument. If you dislike/don't feel right being female, why give birth? If there is one thing a woman can do that a man cannot it's that. If you hold affection for that part of you, why give it up?

On a deeper level, WHAT is male or female? Why can't you act butch without a fake penis? Why can't you be feminine with one? I know several fabulous people that certainly are.
I d ...


Man, I'm an open-minded gay man and you confused me a little;-)
 
2013-07-23 10:35:56 AM
Confusing. I find the best way to keep it sorted is to deal with it intersectionally. While there are other factors, the ones which seem most in evidence in this discussion are sex, gender, gender expression, and sexuality. To address the most immediate one temporally, packers. Packers are a prosthetic to effect the presence of a penis. This is where intersectionality comes in. To a transsexual with GID a packer may help to alleviate dysphoria through primary male sex characteristics but to a masculine gynephilic female woman it might just be merely a sexual orientation cue.
 
2013-07-23 01:05:49 PM
you are what your genes say you are, no matter how much you mutilate your body.
 
2013-07-23 01:22:06 PM

yapopo: you are what your genes say you are, no matter how much you mutilate your body.


Why don't you google "47,XXY" or "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome"
 
2013-07-23 03:42:07 PM

FatPrincess: yapopo: you are what your genes say you are, no matter how much you mutilate your body.

Why don't you google "47,XXY" or "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome"


I was going to tell him to f*ck himself.  Your answer was nicer and more intelligent.
 
2013-07-23 03:58:05 PM

Buttknuckle: FatPrincess: yapopo: Your answer was nicer and more intelligent.


In a way, it was kind of stupid since karotypes is pretty much what yapopo meant by gene expression, but I wanted more of a 'LMGTFY so you can GTFO' feel instead of continuing the conversation. Maybe GID is genetic! You know what else is genetic? Cystic fibrosis. Sickle-cell. Let's not mutilate people who have these disorders.
 
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