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(Quartz)   3D printing will explode in 2014, thanks to the expiration of key patents   (qz.com) divider line 93
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2013-07-21 08:07:19 PM
... looks around ...

wonder how long it'll take?

/ya'll know what i mean.
 
2013-07-21 08:10:17 PM
Let me guess... assmitter doesn't have a clue on how patent laws work./Yay.... I guessed right!//drtfa
 
2013-07-21 08:13:24 PM

maltedmothball: ... looks around ...

wonder how long it'll take?


Okay, I got a chuckle out of that... ;)
 
2013-07-21 08:14:19 PM

maltedmothball: ... looks around ...

wonder how long it'll take?

/ya'll know what i mean.


Wonder if people intentionally look for and submit news of the like to provoke him.
 
2013-07-21 08:18:12 PM
That's alright, there's new batch of blocking patents to get in your way. By people who never built a damn thing.
 
2013-07-21 08:18:48 PM
Go to the Shapeways website and watch some of the video of their six-figure laser sintering machines in action.  This isn't going to be adopted in the home until there's a way to prevent fine metallic dust from sticking to every surface.
 
2013-07-21 08:20:05 PM
Another reason why patents are a bad idea. They were created to protect the little guy, but all they are used for nowadays are to crush the little guy.
 
2013-07-21 08:21:57 PM
Twelve??
 
2013-07-21 08:32:18 PM

maltedmothball: ... looks around ...

wonder how long it'll take?

/ya'll know what i mean.


Stop that.
 
2013-07-21 08:40:42 PM
2014 also reported to be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Seriously though, people have rather large erections over this 3D printing. I would love to see a Venn diagram of Ron Paul supporters and 3D printing enthusiasts. Pretty sure there would be considerable overlap.
 
2013-07-21 08:44:24 PM
I just want 3-D printing for warhammer stuff.
 
2013-07-21 08:48:05 PM

Twigz221: I just want 3-D printing for warhammer stuff.


SHHHH..

You want GW breaking down your door for just mentioning that?!?

Do that shiat on the down-low...
(then send me the cad files).
 
2013-07-21 08:48:54 PM
I like how China is funding "research" centers I'm 3D printing. If anything is going to move manufacturing away from China this is it. Labor now isn't a big factor in making a physical object.

And why buy something mass produced when one that is customized will be nearly the same price? Intersting times.
 
2013-07-21 08:53:07 PM
Makerbot produces stuff with a strange texture. Even flat surfaces feel like sand paper.
 
2013-07-21 08:54:27 PM

spamdog: 2014 also reported to be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Seriously though, people have rather large erections over this 3D printing. I would love to see a Venn diagram of Ron Paul supporters and 3D printing enthusiasts. Pretty sure there would be considerable overlap.


Imagine these being 3D printed by the pallet-load:

farm8.staticflickr.com

static5.businessinsider.com
 
2013-07-21 08:58:32 PM
God, I hope so.  My DDD stock is only up 100% since November.
 
2013-07-21 09:07:45 PM
In before...
 
2013-07-21 09:10:59 PM
Great, now everybody can own flimsy and delicate plastic items that look like they're made of fish poop that's been painted over!
 
2013-07-21 09:16:24 PM
TFL seems to be confusing laser sintering with stereo lithography, which other than using a laser are very different.  Laser sintering is the good stuff, but we won't see consumer grade machines that produce useful products for a while because they're still very touchy, and the powder is a royal pain to work with.
 
2013-07-21 09:19:14 PM
But are not laser sintering machines much more complicated than a relatively simple extruding printers, which is basically a series of servos and a glue gun?
 
2013-07-21 09:24:29 PM

albuquerquehalsey: But are not laser sintering machines much more complicated than a relatively simple extruding printers, which is basically a series of servos and a glue gun?


Luddite.

larkmaj: TFL seems to be confusing laser sintering with stereo lithography, which other than using a laser are very different.  Laser sintering is the good stuff, but we won't see consumer grade machines that produce useful products for a while because they're still very touchy, and the powder is a royal pain to work with.


Luddite.

MrHappyRotter: Great, now everybody can own flimsy and delicate plastic items that look like they're made of fish poop that's been painted over!


Luddite.

brainscab: Makerbot produces stuff with a strange texture. Even flat surfaces feel like sand paper.


Luddite.

 

spamdog: 2014 also reported to be the year of Linux on the desktop.

Seriously though, people have rather large erections over this 3D printing. I would love to see a Venn diagram of Ron Paul supporters and 3D printing enthusiasts. Pretty sure there would be considerable overlap.


Luddite.

 

poot_rootbeer: Go to the Shapeways website and watch some of the video of their six-figure laser sintering machines in action.  This isn't going to be adopted in the home until there's a way to prevent fine metallic dust from sticking to every surface.


Luddite.

Like 3D fish in a 3D barrel.
 
2013-07-21 09:31:02 PM
He has graced us with his presence!!! Praise Roddenberry!
 
2013-07-21 09:33:05 PM
Who would patent a key?
 
2013-07-21 09:35:23 PM

hardinparamedic: He has graced us with his presence!!! Praise Roddenberry!


Let me know when you have a 3D printer at your home and let me know how reality lines up with your expectations.
 
2013-07-21 09:37:52 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: hardinparamedic: He has graced us with his presence!!! Praise Roddenberry!

Let me know when you have a 3D printer at your home and let me know how reality lines up with your expectations.


Seems to work fine for sex toys.
 
2013-07-21 09:37:59 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: hardinparamedic: He has graced us with his presence!!! Praise Roddenberry!

Let me know when you have a 3D printer at your home and let me know how reality lines up with your expectations.


Help us TechnoBevets, you're our only hope!
 
2013-07-21 09:41:09 PM
It's not alright to bait specific users, BTW. Seems to me that QA just doesn't buy into the hype about 3D printing and is vocal about it, and everyone else is pissy that he's pointing it out.
 
2013-07-21 09:47:41 PM

spamdog: It's not alright to bait specific users, BTW. Seems to me that QA just doesn't buy into the hype about 3D printing and is vocal about it, and everyone else is pissy that he's pointing it out.


Basically what I think is that people are very eager to conflate every single disparate technology out there into one imaginary machine, and that this machine will enable some kind of techno post-scarcity utopia. It would be nice, but that shows a staggering ignorance of the complexity emboddied in modern objects.

Printing out a lumpy shape that still needs significant hand tuning is all good fun, but Star Trek it aint.

People are also very eager to play word games.

No one 3D printed a jet engine for example. It is a key chain fob.
 
2013-07-21 09:53:14 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: spamdog: It's not alright to bait specific users, BTW. Seems to me that QA just doesn't buy into the hype about 3D printing and is vocal about it, and everyone else is pissy that he's pointing it out.

Basically what I think is that people are very eager to conflate every single disparate technology out there into one imaginary machine, and that this machine will enable some kind of techno post-scarcity utopia. It would be nice, but that shows a staggering ignorance of the complexity emboddied in modern objects.

Printing out a lumpy shape that still needs significant hand tuning is all good fun, but Star Trek it aint.

People are also very eager to play word games.

No one 3D printed a jet engine for example. It is a key chain fob.


Yet you call luddite anybody who speaks positively of the technology no matter how realistic and well informed their opinion is.
 
2013-07-21 09:53:37 PM
Print up some plastic brakes for his fixie... won't make a difference, as he is too cool to stop at intersections.
 
2013-07-21 09:55:00 PM

spamdog: It's not alright to bait specific users, BTW. Seems to me that QA just doesn't buy into the hype about 3D printing and is vocal about it, and everyone else is pissy that he's pointing it out.


He's not going to sleep with you, dude. No need to white knight for him.
 
2013-07-21 10:00:15 PM

larkmaj: Yet you call luddite anybody who speaks positively of the technology no matter how realistic and well informed their opinion is.


That's surprising to me. I specifically called out people who had doubts about 3D printing, or am I mistaken?

I call them Luddite because that's what people call me when I express doubts. Which is hilarious to me. Ned Ludd actually HAD a technology to rebel against.

Let me know when people start losing their jobs en masse because of a magical all-in-one 3D printer.

From what I've seen, given the complexity and know-how required, real 3D printing creates jobs.

Any Pie Left: Print up some plastic brakes for his fixie... won't make a difference, as he is too cool to stop at intersections.


Ultegra 6100 is not really a fixie. Where did you get that idea?

And could do me a favor? Do a little cost analysis for brake pads, could you? Luddite brake pads vs 3D printed ones.

Would even go on a bike with 3D printed brake pads? I wouldn't.

But apparently you would?

Just the pads. If you can show me how mistaken I've been about buying brake pads made the old way, then we can move on to the rest of the brake system.

Deal?
 
2013-07-21 10:13:06 PM

hardinparamedic: He has graced us with his presence!!! Praise Roddenberry!


Probably had to get a new keyboard. The old one had the F5, Ctrl, F, "3", and "D" keys worn out.

If only he could have printed his own replacement, it would have saved him a trip to Wal-Mart.
 
2013-07-21 10:14:10 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: larkmaj: Yet you call luddite anybody who speaks positively of the technology no matter how realistic and well informed their opinion is.

That's surprising to me. I specifically called out people who had doubts about 3D printing, or am I mistaken?

I call them Luddite because that's what people call me when I express doubts. Which is hilarious to me. Ned Ludd actually HAD a technology to rebel against.

Let me know when people start losing their jobs en masse because of a magical all-in-one 3D printer.

From what I've seen, given the complexity and know-how required, real 3D printing creates jobs.



My mistake.  The only doubts I express about the technology are meant to temper the overstatement many of these articles contain.  From my experience with the technology, I would say it is very promising, but the specific technologies that are making actually useful components are still incredibly unrefined and several years away from financial viability.

I was also annoyed that the article confused SLS and SLA, and gave no indication as to what the patents were that are expiring.  It would have been nice to be able to actually comment on the real advancements that can happen when those do expire.

What I do know is that some patents regarding processing of STL files are expiring, which would greatly simplify the mess of slicing software currently necessary for many processes, and make them more affordable.
 
2013-07-21 10:16:15 PM

spamdog: It's not alright to bait specific users, BTW. Seems to me that QA just doesn't buy into the hype about 3D printing and is vocal about it, and everyone else is pissy that he's pointing it out.


Because it's a farking 8-track on perpetual loop. It's like a certain Religio-bot; the same, tired shiat over and over. Nothing new, no matter what.
 
2013-07-21 10:16:50 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: spamdog: It's not alright to bait specific users, BTW. Seems to me that QA just doesn't buy into the hype about 3D printing and is vocal about it, and everyone else is pissy that he's pointing it out.

Basically what I think is that people are very eager to conflate every single disparate technology out there into one imaginary machine, and that this machine will enable some kind of techno post-scarcity utopia. It would be nice, but that shows a staggering ignorance of the complexity emboddied in modern objects.

Printing out a lumpy shape that still needs significant hand tuning is all good fun, but Star Trek it aint.

People are also very eager to play word games.

No one 3D printed a jet engine for example. It is a key chain fob.


If only technology advanced as more research and design work is done.

If you'll excuse me, I have to feed some punch cards into the ENIAC in my garage.  Hopefully the program will run fast enough so I can balance my checkbook by the end of the month.
 
2013-07-21 10:20:59 PM
But we'll still all be stuck on IPv4
 
2013-07-21 10:35:47 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Nothing new, no matter what.


Well I'm seeing quite a bit of repetition from proponents of 3D printing and the breathless articles like this one that they promote.
What he's saying only gets on people's tits because they are so starry-eyed about this technology, and he is bringing them back a step to reality.
At least, that's the way I see it.
 
2013-07-21 10:42:28 PM
i830.photobucket.com
This place is gonna EXPLODE!
 
2013-07-21 10:54:07 PM
i remember when..

"no one will print things at home the quality is not good enough"

"digital pics are no where near the quality of film"

"computers are too expensive for home use"
 
2013-07-21 10:55:41 PM

Twigz221: I just want 3-D printing for warhammer stuff.


Consider a miniatures wargame with miniatures too high quality to reproduce via 3d printing.

/Infinity
//awesome rules set
 
2013-07-21 10:55:54 PM

spamdog: ArcadianRefugee: Nothing new, no matter what.

Well I'm seeing quite a bit of repetition from proponents of 3D printing and the breathless articles like this one that they promote.


That happens any time a technology doesn't advance as quickly as people expect.  The same thing happened with artificial intelligence.

What he's saying only gets on people's tits because they are so starry-eyed about this technology, and he is bringing them back a step to reality.
At least, that's the way I see it.


No, it's because even by Fark standards, he's a great big asshole.
 
2013-07-21 11:06:19 PM

anfrind: That happens any time a technology doesn't advance as quickly as people expect. The same thing happened with artificial intelligence.


That's quite a comparison! Where is AI today? Certainly not as advanced as people hoped it would be at this point in time!
 
2013-07-21 11:08:35 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Like 3D fish in a 3D barrel.


I kinda like you. Especially in threads that aren't about this.

But do you ever log in on a Sunday, see a thread like this, and think to yourself, "Nah, man, Imma let this one go."
 
2013-07-21 11:26:43 PM
After some research into 3d printing for kitchen use (new tools, molds for chocolate making, etc) I was disappointed by the lack of products recommended for food prep work afterwards.

Hopefully laser sintering based 3d printers will be a bit more tolerant with this.
 
2013-07-21 11:32:37 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: No one 3D printed a jet engine for example. It is a key chain fob.


True enough, but NASA is preparing to 3d print an entire Apollo F-1b engine, reducing it parts count from 5600 to just 40. In so doing they are increasing its thrust by 20% from 1.5 mlbf to 1.8 mlbf, while dropping its parts count by better than 99% and its cost by more than 90%. This isn't "cheap junk" at Wal-Mart.
 
2013-07-21 11:33:57 PM

spamdog: What he's saying only gets on people's tits because they are so starry-eyed about this technology, and he is bringing them back a step to reality.
At least, that's the way I see it.


Which is kinda like checking into a "My Little Pony" thread, knowing it will be filled with 'Pony fans, just to say how shiatty the show is and how every adult who claims to like it is actually a pedophile.

Every. farking. Time.

That's the mark of someone vying for Biggest Douche in the Universe.
 
2013-07-21 11:41:11 PM

Thisbymaster: Another reason why patents are a bad idea. They were created to protect the little guy, but all they are used for nowadays are to crush the little guy.


So, modern capitalism.
 
2013-07-21 11:45:51 PM

spamdog: anfrind: That happens any time a technology doesn't advance as quickly as people expect. The same thing happened with artificial intelligence.

That's quite a comparison! Where is AI today? Certainly not as advanced as people hoped it would be at this point in time!


AI has made some impressive advances since the 1950's, but they don't look anything like what people expected.  Chess-playing computers are a good example: in the early days of AI, it was widely accepted that playing Chess at a grandmaster level would be the ultimate test of AI.  Fast-forward to 1997 and IBM's "Deep Blue" mainframe, which had the computational power to anticipate every possible move its opponent could make several turns down the line, and leveraged a database of nearly every Chess strategy ever described in the game's 600-year history.  The way it works is completely unlike how any human Chess player would play Chess.

Now that the Chess milestone has come and gone, it has become clear that it was a terrible benchmark.  Computers still suck at games like Go and Poker, and anyone who has used Siri or any similar applications has very quickly run into the limits of what a modern computer can do with natural-language processing.  However, the ability of computerized expert systems to quickly process massive amounts of data, whether to quickly identify a Chess player's opening strategy or to find a faster route home during rush hour, has revolutionized how we do almost everything, even if the computers aren't intelligent in the traditional sense.  And as these systems become even more powerful, their impact will only increase.

/side-note: between advances in computing technology and subsequent optimizations of the Chess-playing algorithms, it is now possible to run a Chess program that could beat Deep Blue on a Core 2 Duo PC.
 
2013-07-21 11:49:49 PM

Virtual Pariah: Twigz221: I just want 3-D printing for warhammer stuff.

SHHHH..

You want GW breaking down your door for just mentioning that?!?

Do that shiat on the down-low...
(then send me the cad files).


That's why I love historical wargaming.  There's no C&D letters for the guys designing miniature Yamatos and P-51s.  In fact, since Wizards of the Coast seems to not care about taking our money for new War at Sea sets, Shapeways is now a repository for 1:1800 naval minis (as well as several other scales).

/just got back from Historicon; used several Shapeways-printed minis yesterday, moving turrets and all
 
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