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(ACLU)   Dear Eric Holder; Your attempts at a federal case against George Zimmerman violates the double-jeopardy clause in the constitution and we will defend him if necessary. Sincerely - The ACLU   (aclu.org) divider line 557
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2013-07-22 02:07:34 PM

Popcorn Johnny: vygramul: A reference to Zimmerman's right to stand his ground was, indeed, in the self-defense portion of the jury instructions.

That doesn't mean it was a part of the case or a part of Zim's defense. This was a straight up self defense case as indicated by Zim's attorney's from the beginning.


Is it fair to say that Zimmerman got himself into a situation where he was forced to kill someone to defend himself? To me that sounds like he committed manslaughter but not murder.
 
2013-07-22 02:42:45 PM

Alleyoop: But we have to keep retrying him...

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until we get the verdict we want!


I would love to hear Sharpton's comments on the below case.  How is this one not just as relevant? Could the baby been Obama's baby? Why aren't they picketing this crime, too, if race isn't an issue?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/cops-hunt-young-boys-baby-mom-s h ooting-article-1.1296312
 
2013-07-22 05:44:20 PM
I love that they said this, considering they wanted civil rights charges against him.

"Last night's verdict casts serious doubt on whether the legal system truly provides equal protection of the laws to everyone regardless of race or ethnicity," ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said in a statement on July 14, the day after the Florida jury's verdict. "This case reminds us that it is imperative that the Department of Justice thoroughly examine whether the Martin shooting was a federal civil rights violation or hate crime."
 
2013-07-22 10:17:46 PM
Only so someone can snatch it an make it better.

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2013-07-22 10:45:36 PM

tirob: Amos Quito: And back to the case at hand: Was this really a "racial" issue? Did the events that transpired that night REALLY hinge on the RACES of the parties involved? Or is that merely an illusion being pounded into the collective psyche by those that seek to divide us - AS A PEOPLE - for political advantage and societal manipulation?


1. It developed into one very soon.


Thanks to the tireless work of the race-baiters

2. No.  But many people here--I was one of them--came to perceive that race was a factor in them.

Again, Thanks to the tireless work of the race-baiters

3. I doubt it, at least in the absence of evidence that this is so.


I wish others were as open-minded and diligent to details as you have been, "Tirob the Honorable".


tirob: There is an illusion among some people here that is as at least as old as this country that relations between blacks and whites are excellent and always have been, and that they always will be provided that those nasty outside agitators (all of whom have private agendas of course) don't butt in and poison blacks' minds against the whites who have always been their friends and protectors.  Your post leads me to believe that you may be under this illusion yourself.


I'm bewildered as to why my post would leave you with such an impression. I am fully aware of the interracial atrocities and inequalities of the past - and not only to blacks, but to countless others, and not only in the Americas, but all across the history of mankind. For example, during Medieval times the WHITE peasants of Europe were viewed and treated by the Lords and Royal classes in ways that were comparable to the treatment of black slaves here in the Americas: They were quite literally seen as the "property" of the lords on whose land they were born, and when the land was sold, the peasants were included in the sale as part of the assets of the property.

But I'm also not so naive that I try to view and judge these events from the modern perspective: Times change, people change, societies evolve, and while we still have a l-o-n-g way to go before we achieve "paradise" (wishful thinking), there is no question that we have made tremendous strides toward justice and equality - not only in interracial relations, but in the areas of gender, sexuality, religious and cultural tolerance, etc.

In my lifetime (I'm 50-ish) I have had the pleasure of witnessing tremendous social advances in many areas. Black congressmen, blacks sitting on the supreme court, a black attorney general, a black PRESIDENT??? Yeah, we've come a LONG way, and the same can be said for the advancements made by other minorities and women - not to mention sexuality and sexual preference.

I understand very well that these changes did not come easily or without resistance - change requires that people step out of the comfort of long-held traditions, beliefs and practices, and many paid a high price in the struggle. And while we should applaud the progress made, we should also understand that TIME is a key factor in societal evolution, as it is far easier for those of new generations to accept a changing paradigm than it is for the members of older generations who have been long grounded in the traditions of their forebears, and tend to be "set in their ways".

When such progress is made it works toward unity - toward building a sense of kinship - seeing ourselves as one nation, one people that can unite in purpose, sharing common dreams and working toward common goals - that is a GOOD thing.

When I see incidents like the GZ / TM affair arise, and see various individuals and groups work to use such as leverage to DIVIDE us, artificially exaggerating or details to reinforce our DIFFERENCES to serve their nefarious agendas, it irks the hell out of me. True, some of the details were murky at the outset, but soon we saw both the race-baiters AND much of the media intentionally pumping out false information  - the obvious goal being to reopen old wounds and rekindle dying embers into raging flames.

While some of this was clearly the result of "innocent" presumptions and genuine misunderstandings, much of it was the product of sinister manipulation (NBC's cleverly edited version of GZ's call to police, for example). As time went on, and a clearer picture of what actually transpired became apparent - before, during AND after the trial, it soon became obvious that much of the indignant rage surrounding the case was misplaced - and we would EXPECT to have seen those that had been leading the cry for "justice" to back off (if not apologize) for their words and actions.

But we didn't. AFTER the open, public and televised trial was concluded, we saw the agitators RAMP UP their rhetoric - INCLUDING both President Obama and AG Holder - persons who have been sworn to uphold, protect and defend the constitution and the RULE OF LAW. These are the TOP law enforcement figures in the nation, and yet there they are, deriding the verdict of the jury and openly implying that justice was NOT served - in the face of overwhelming evidence AND A VERDICT that said exactly the opposite.

The natural result was to FURTHER encourage the strife and division as it bordered on "legitimizing" any vindictive action taken by angry mobs.

WTF, tirob? How can this be interpreted other than to say that the goal of these race-baiters - including the "pros" like Jackson and Sharpton, the "officials" like the AG and the POTUS and the media has never been the pursuit of "justice", but to divide and rule?

While we can be grateful that riots and mass mayhem have not materialized (yet), the tension in the air remains very thick, and those involved in the case - GZ, his attorneys, their families and quite possibly the members of the jury all have good reason to fear for their lives as threats pour in.

THANKS OBAMA! You're supposed to be the leader of the nation, to work toward uniting us as ONE PEOPLE yet you and yours are doing the exact opposite - you're reinforcing our differences, and unnecessarily and unjustly creating strife and division.

WE CAN DO WITHOUT THAT, Mr. President, SIR. Thanks just the same.


tirob: If you are, you're in good company:

http://www.amazon.com/Lanterns-Levee-Recollections-Planters-Civiliza ti on/dp/0807100722

A book I recommend that deals with this subject among others.


I'll have a look at the book. I don't know whether you'll ever see the rambling rant I wrote above, but if you do, I hope it clarifies my perspective.

Good evening.
 
2013-07-23 12:31:19 AM

Amos Quito: THANKS OBAMA! You're supposed to be the leader of the nation, to work toward uniting us as ONE PEOPLE yet you and yours are doing the exact opposite - you're reinforcing our differences, and unnecessarily and unjustly creating strife and division.


Yes, our first black President who had to release  multiple copies of his birth certificate, and engage in apologia for the Constitutionally-guaranteed free speech of his pastor, took some time out of his schedule to tell Americans how he's personally seen and been the recipient of racial prejudice in the United States. Truly, he is history's worst monster.

Seriously, just copypasta the N-word a few dozen times in all caps and post it, bold-face. You really aren't fooling anyone at this point.
 
2013-07-23 02:02:25 AM

that bosnian sniper: Amos Quito: THANKS OBAMA! You're supposed to be the leader of the nation, to work toward uniting us as ONE PEOPLE yet you and yours are doing the exact opposite - you're reinforcing our differences, and unnecessarily and unjustly creating strife and division.

Yes, our first black President who had to release  multiple copies of his birth certificate,



And this has WHAT to do with race? Had Obamadaddy been a BLACK Cleveland autoworker, the son of a share-cropper who was in turn the son of a share-cropper, this COULD NOT have been an issue.

But Obamadaddy was in fact a Kenyan.

Kenyan is a nationality, not a race.


that bosnian sniper: and engage in apologia for the Constitutionally-guaranteed free speech of his pastor,


If you make a habit of attending (in worship) the orations of gents that are infamous for making racist, seditious, and borderline treasonous statements, folks might just be inclined to believe that you agree with those statements.

Don't you think?


that bosnian sniper: took some time out of his schedule to tell Americans how he's personally seen and been the recipient of racial prejudice in the United States. Truly, he is history's worst monster.


chicos.laprensa.hn

that bosnian sniper: Seriously, just copypasta the N-word a few dozen times in all caps and post it, bold-face. You really aren't fooling anyone at: this point.


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