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(The New York Times)   Mormon church officials worried about the growing number of members who have started to question their faith after researching it on the internet   (nytimes.com) divider line 218
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2013-07-21 08:10:22 AM
spooky mormon hell dream
 
2013-07-21 08:12:25 AM
♫ ♪ And I believe...that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people ♪ ♫
 
2013-07-21 08:12:38 AM
It is a bit... crazy.  EXCELLENT video from a formon:  https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=xfkHJmHYn6M
 
2013-07-21 08:17:33 AM
b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-07-21 08:18:03 AM
I'm sorry you've devoted your entire lives to a lie.
 
2013-07-21 08:20:02 AM
I would however, like to thank the Mormons for making genealogy research really easy.
 
2013-07-21 08:23:38 AM

video man: I would however, like to thank the Mormons for making genealogy research really easy.


That is a nice silver lining.  I had a great uncle who was in the LDS, helped my family tree along quite well.
 
2013-07-21 08:26:09 AM
They also deserve thanks for Battlestar Galactica.
 
2013-07-21 08:30:11 AM
Somewhere nowhere, Samuel Clemens is having a good laugh.
 
2013-07-21 08:32:30 AM

nekom: video man: I would however, like to thank the Mormons for making genealogy research really easy.

That is a nice silver lining.  I had a great uncle who was in the LDS, helped my family tree along quite well.


I don't have anyone in my family that was LDS. They research EVERYONE.
 
2013-07-21 08:35:46 AM

video man: nekom: video man: I would however, like to thank the Mormons for making genealogy research really easy.

That is a nice silver lining.  I had a great uncle who was in the LDS, helped my family tree along quite well.

I don't have anyone in my family that was LDS. They research EVERYONE.


They way they go on with the posthumous baptisms, you, your family and everyone else will be LDS before they're done

(well, as far as they're concerned anyways)
 
2013-07-21 08:43:48 AM
MurphyMurphy:
They way they go on with the posthumous baptisms, you, your family and everyone else will be LDS before they're done

(well, as far as they're concerned anyways)


Yeah, probably will.  I can understand how that bothers some people, but personally, hey you know what, on the off chance that they're right, I'll say thanks I guess.  Since it's all BS, it doesn't bother me.  That's right up there with Gypsy curses, stepping on a crack and Voodoo spells on the list of things that don't trouble me.
 
2013-07-21 08:47:04 AM
I'm actually amazed these morans needed the internet to figure this out.
 
2013-07-21 08:47:20 AM

video man: I would however, like to thank the Mormons for making genealogy research really easy.


Why is genealogy so important to them?
 
2013-07-21 08:48:31 AM
I can handle your normal apathetic Christian, but Mormons and Scientologists you can dismiss outright as human beings that are not worth the bother.
 
2013-07-21 08:50:29 AM

Slaxl: video man: I would however, like to thank the Mormons for making genealogy research really easy.

Why is genealogy so important to them?

I

'm no Mormon expert, but I think they think like only 50 of them get into heaven or something, so it's really important to be well-connected.
 
2013-07-21 08:52:47 AM

Slaxl: video man: I would however, like to thank the Mormons for making genealogy research really easy.

Why is genealogy so important to them?


Something about eternal families.  Which is reason enough for me to steer clear of it, I would NOT want to see my ex-wife in hell.
 
2013-07-21 08:54:56 AM
i honestly fail to understand why otherwise normal human beings (sure, a lot repressed and confused and delusional), but still, mostly normal human beings in the 21st Century still fall for this shiat. I know you grew up with it and it gives you comfort. So did Santa Claus. Do you still think Santa is real?

So what's your excuse now?
 
2013-07-21 08:56:41 AM
One of my best friends is a Texas born, BYU educated Mormon.

Hell of a nice guy.

It's weird to think so highly of of someone while also thinking they're kinda super stupid at the same time. I also spent a year working for a couple that were Scientologist and if nothing else, Mormons are generally nice decent people while all the Scientologists I met were openly creepy sociopaths.

So, no matter how retarded Mormons may be, no matter how easilly falsifiable their belief system and history may be, I'd rather be locked in a room with a hundred of them for a decade than spend a minute with another Scientologist.

All religions are pretty friggin silly and those who get into them are kind of ridiculous but none of them deserve to be as persecuted, mocked and, hopefully one day, wiped from the face of the earth like Scientology.

Mormonism is indeed ridiculous and deserving of mockery but compared to Scientology, it's the belief system of geniuses.
 
2013-07-21 09:06:06 AM

Wall_of_Doodoo: One of my best friends is a Texas born, BYU educated Mormon.

Hell of a nice guy.

It's weird to think so highly of of someone while also thinking they're kinda super stupid at the same time. I also spent a year working for a couple that were Scientologist and if nothing else, Mormons are generally nice decent people while all the Scientologists I met were openly creepy sociopaths.

So, no matter how retarded Mormons may be, no matter how easilly falsifiable their belief system and history may be, I'd rather be locked in a room with a hundred of them for a decade than spend a minute with another Scientologist.

All religions are pretty friggin silly and those who get into them are kind of ridiculous but none of them deserve to be as persecuted, mocked and, hopefully one day, wiped from the face of the earth like Scientology.

Mormonism is indeed ridiculous and deserving of mockery but compared to Scientology, it's the belief system of geniuses.


Yeah, the "Well, all religions are as silly as ours when you look at them that way" defense that Scientology uses doesn't really work, because the serious criticism I've seen of Scientology isn't really of the "This is what Scientologists really believe" variety.  It's based on what they do, the amount of money they squeeze out of followers, and the actual harm they do to their members.
 
2013-07-21 09:30:46 AM
They should all read Jon Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven"
 
2013-07-21 09:32:11 AM

Confabulat: I can handle your normal apathetic Christian, but Mormons and Scientologists you can dismiss outright as human beings that are not worth the bother.


That's really unfair. From what I can tell, Mormonism tends to make people excessively nice and pleasant, and Scientology makes them gaping assholes. Not all irrational belief systems are equally bad.
 
2013-07-21 09:32:54 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: They should all read Jon Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven"


Everyone should read that book, Mormon or not. It's just gripping writing.
 
2013-07-21 09:36:35 AM
This is an amazing quote:

"The Roman Catholic Church has had 2,000 years to work through the hiccups in its history," said Terryl L. Givens, a professor of English, literature and religion at the University of Richmond and a Mormon believer. "Mormonism is still an adolescent religion."

I mean, this person is outright saying that religions are just full of lies and they need time to paper them over. And he's a current believer!
 
2013-07-21 09:50:53 AM
Every Mormon I've met has been super nice. My husband and I have always said that if we could believe that crap, we'd be Mormon.
 
2013-07-21 09:51:07 AM

nekom: video man: I would however, like to thank the Mormons for making genealogy research really easy.

That is a nice silver lining.  I had a great uncle who was in the LDS, helped my family tree along quite well.


css:

When my Mom was getting started in her family genealogy back in the early 90's, she found a large amount of info at a Mormon research center. I told her someone must have entered all the data to make our ancestors "Mormons" because that is what they are doing with the family research. One of my uncles went batshiat over it at a family reunion so I stopped mentioning that fun fact :). A few years later she went to North Carolina to investigate some courthouse records and cemeteries, and meet with a man who was a distant relative. It turned out that not only was he a distant relative, but he and his branch of the family had conducted boatloads of research and submitted it to the LDS church to make them all retroactively Mormons, plus he was going to write a book about it. He was really nice and gave my Mom copies of all his research and we really learned a lot about her family. As far as I know that guy never published the book, but all our  Methodist and Baptist ancestors are now Mormon, which I'm sure would really please them if they knew :)

/css
 
2013-07-21 09:53:21 AM
That whole knowledge thing can sure mess you up about religion.
 
2013-07-21 10:16:50 AM

Wall_of_Doodoo: Mormons are generally nice decent people while all the Scientologists I met were openly creepy sociopaths.


This is exactly my experience as well, and I've spent a lot more time in Clearwater than Salt Lake City. Scientologists are quite obviously near some sort of psychotic breakdown at an given moment and they are taught to be terrified of people who aren't them. Mormons, for the most part, do seem nice, although I once worked with one who, upon meeting her and learning she had seven kids, i was like wow, that's a lot of kids. And then she started screaming at me "MY CHILDREN ARE NOT BABY GOATS! HOW DARE YOU!" so well we didn't stay close.
 
2013-07-21 10:18:12 AM
The mistake Mormons made was starting their faith recently. Now had they got moving 6000 years ago....
 
2013-07-21 10:25:37 AM

edmo: The mistake Mormons made was starting their faith recently. Now had they got moving 6000 years ago....


And also in the emerging age of media.  Outside of the bible, there aren't a whole lot of contemporary accounts of the life of Jesus and other things.  PLENTY out there on Joseph Smith.  That does NOT work to the church's advantage.
 
2013-07-21 10:31:58 AM
i.huffpost.com
 
2013-07-21 10:46:56 AM
It's not just the Mormons though. It seems like all religious people are a bit fragile when they start realizing their fantasy tales have little or no connection to actual reality. I wonder why that is. Then they whine the atheists suck, because of course their god is weaker than us.
 
2013-07-21 10:49:41 AM
Where are your golden plates now?
 
2013-07-21 10:58:16 AM
I thought Mormons were supposed to study it out
 
2013-07-21 11:17:58 AM

nekom: edmo: The mistake Mormons made was starting their faith recently. Now had they got moving 6000 years ago....

And also in the emerging age of media.  Outside of the bible, there aren't a whole lot of contemporary accounts of the life of Jesus and other things.  PLENTY out there on Joseph Smith.  That does NOT work to the church's advantage.


and there are zero contemporary accounts of Plato, Alexander, and Socrates...
 
2013-07-21 11:36:09 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: nekom: edmo: The mistake Mormons made was starting their faith recently. Now had they got moving 6000 years ago....

And also in the emerging age of media.  Outside of the bible, there aren't a whole lot of contemporary accounts of the life of Jesus and other things.  PLENTY out there on Joseph Smith.  That does NOT work to the church's advantage.

and there are zero contemporary accounts of Plato, Alexander, and Socrates...


Plato is a contemporary account of Socrates.

All of those guys had plenty of contemporaries who wrote about them.

The closest (reliable) contemporary Jesus has was Josephus, born 5(-ish) years after Jesus died.
 
2013-07-21 11:48:46 AM

Lionel Mandrake: I thought Mormons were supposed to study it out


Only approved sources though.
 
2013-07-21 11:58:17 AM
www.theblindcard.com

(post-research)

 
2013-07-21 12:00:49 PM
lifeafter.org
"Dum, dum dum dum, dum."
 
2013-07-21 12:01:01 PM

Earpj: Every Mormon I've met has been super nice. My husband and I have always said that if we could believe that crap, we'd be Mormon.


This is where I am too. All the Mormons I meet just casually mention they are Mormon or went to BYU and are Mormon or something. Or we are out doing something and we come across their Mormon church friends. And I am like 'Whoa, you are Mormon? But you are so smart, kind, and normal? And you never try to get me to join your religion!'

So yea, they are pretty awesome. I'm not even going to mock their beliefs because I haven't really bothered to learn them other to learn the most stupid parts and all religions (as far as I am concerned) have really stupid parts.
 
2013-07-21 12:01:27 PM

WalkingCarpet: ♫ ♪ And I believe...that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people ♪ ♫


BLACK PEOPLE!
 
2013-07-21 12:01:29 PM
Works best to reveal all the wacky stuff after they're in to deep to turn back. Just ask scientology.
 
2013-07-21 12:02:04 PM
Wait until they find out the second "m" is supposed to be silent.
 
2013-07-21 12:02:39 PM
i330.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-21 12:04:00 PM

Confabulat: I'm actually amazed these morans needed the internet to figure this out.


Most of these kids are brought up their whole lives being fed nothing but BS, how do they figure it out


Then, one day, they find out that a 'south park' cartoon is more accurate about Joseph Smith Jnr, than any teacher or leader has ever been.

no wonder the church is 'Haemorrhaging members like no time since the 1830's'
 
2013-07-21 12:04:04 PM
farm2.staticflickr.com

Discuss.
 
2013-07-21 12:04:42 PM

Confabulat: I'm no Mormon expert, but I think they think like only 50 of them get into heaven or something, so it's really important to be well-connected


you may be confusing them with Jehovah's Witnesses.

From what I remember from growing up LDS, everyone pretty much gets in to a version of "heaven", but there are three different kingdoms of heaven. If you were a douchebag, then you go to the heaven where only the angels come down and preach to you and such.  If you were pretty cool and maybe just made the mistake of not being a mormon you get to the next level, where you get to hang with Jesus from time to time.  And if you were super righteous then you got to the highest heaven and got to chill with god for eternity.  Or something to that effect.

"Hell" isn't really a concept that the mormons buy into.  I think there's maybe some place that they refer to as "outer darkness" which is reserved for the people who actively seek to destroy the church while fully knowing the truth of the gospel.

It wasn't a bad church to grow up in, but I couldn't honestly keep believing all that wacky stuff and feel good about hanging around.
 
2013-07-21 12:05:20 PM

Bung_Howdy: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]


Man, I hate watching people grow old.
 
2013-07-21 12:08:03 PM
Why does the church just ban the internet like it does beer and cola?
 
2013-07-21 12:08:41 PM

yelmrog: Confabulat: I'm no Mormon expert, but I think they think like only 50 of them get into heaven or something, so it's really important to be well-connected

you may be confusing them with Jehovah's Witnesses.

From what I remember from growing up LDS, everyone pretty much gets in to a version of "heaven", but there are three different kingdoms of heaven. If you were a douchebag, then you go to the heaven where only the angels come down and preach to you and such.  If you were pretty cool and maybe just made the mistake of not being a mormon you get to the next level, where you get to hang with Jesus from time to time.  And if you were super righteous then you got to the highest heaven and got to chill with god for eternity.  Or something to that effect.

"Hell" isn't really a concept that the mormons buy into.  I think there's maybe some place that they refer to as "outer darkness" which is reserved for the people who actively seek to destroy the church while fully knowing the truth of the gospel.

It wasn't a bad church to grow up in, but I couldn't honestly keep believing all that wacky stuff and feel good about hanging around.


And if you are rich, you get to be the god of your own planet.
 
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