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(Opposing Views)   Fifty year-old community college student suspended after complaining students were speaking Spanish in class, and is naturally suing the school for the punishment. Clearly, this is a person used to making bad choices   (opposingviews.com) divider line 232
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2013-07-21 09:46:18 AM
Any word on his Tea Party web site handle?
 
2013-07-21 09:54:18 AM
I've never gotten people who get all butthurt and pissed off if people speak another language around them.  Who gives a damn.  Besides, it's easy enough to tell if someone's talking about you, even in another language.  If they keep looking at you, pointing, and laughing, then maybe you can get upset.  Until then, mind your own farking business.
 
2013-07-21 10:02:03 AM
Wow, this is a person I would never want providing my health care. All those bilingual students will be insta-employed upon graduation and certification as nurses. My guess she was mostly suspended for acting like a small child in class and yelling at the instructor, not the complaint about her fellow students.

Also, THIS:

jake_lex: I've never gotten people who get all butthurt and pissed off if people speak another language around them.  Who gives a damn.  Besides, it's easy enough to tell if someone's talking about you, even in another language.  If they keep looking at you, pointing, and laughing, then maybe you can get upset.  Until then, mind your own farking business.

 
2013-07-21 10:07:14 AM
And to think of all those sick folks who will never benefit from her soft touch and nurturing bedside manner.
 
2013-07-21 10:13:52 AM
FTFA: "Now, she's suing the school for being unfairly targeted and will seek a six-figure sum"


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/ka ching
 
2013-07-21 10:17:24 AM
Acme Anal Cream, great for random cases of butthurt
 
2013-07-21 10:20:36 AM
Well good.

Once she gets them speaking English she'll complain about WHAT they're talking about.
 
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2013-07-21 11:04:03 AM
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2013-07-21 11:14:51 AM

jbc: [oyster.ignimgs.com image 300x385]


I heard he does an amazing Señor Wences  routine.
 
2013-07-21 11:16:32 AM
Was hoping it was a Spanish class. Then hoping the hot students were nursing in a Spanish class. Too bad he wasn't one state over, where Spanish and English are the official languages.

By the way, this guy's young girlfriend speaks French in bed.
 
2013-07-21 11:17:16 AM
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So the standard is, complain about something and get punished.  I hope she wins big!
 
2013-07-21 11:17:28 AM
Bennett claimed students translating lessons into Spanish for non-English speaking students constantly disrupted her, which she believes interfered with her ability to concentrate and learn the material, and was "hostile to her as an English speaker."

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess her ability to learn the material was in the -2 to -3 sigma range even without the distractions.
 
2013-07-21 11:17:38 AM
10 years ago I was a 41 y/o community college student learning to speak spanish (useful in Texas).  We spoke spanish in class all the time and no one seemed to care...
 
2013-07-21 11:19:34 AM
????  One of the most useful things I did I health care was to develop a working knowledge of Spanish!
 
2013-07-21 11:21:04 AM
FTFA:  "Bennett's claim said that the coordinator of PCC's nursing program, David Kutzler, called her a 'bigot and a biatch"

So what's the problem here? Sounds like David Kulzler tells the truth and doesn't mince words. This is usually a good character trait.
 
2013-07-21 11:21:18 AM
She's got a point. The students shouldn't be speaking any language at all during class. Whether or not she's a bigot or a biatch is irrelevant. She should win this lawsuit (and if the college wishes to accommodate non-English speakers, perhaps they could open some courses in Spanish).
 
2013-07-21 11:21:36 AM
Came here for Pearce Hawthorne.  Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-07-21 11:21:53 AM
I went to a Giants game once and these people sitting three or four rows back were speaking some ungodly, incomprehensible babel.  Sure, there were tens of thousands of others murmuring and whispering and shouting in English, but that one family and their tongue-twisting garble completely ruined the whole day for me.

I wonder if it's too late to sue MLB
 
2013-07-21 11:21:57 AM
Okay the way she handled it was probably wrong and FULL of butthurt.

However I can see if you have a class of completely NON-english speakers and some English speakers that having a translator in the class could make it REALLY hard to concentrate.  Also the "out of class" was this in a "study group"?  I could see if you got randomly assigned a study group and no one spoke English or if you were a Spanish speaker and no one spoke Spanish, that too could be frustrating.

Yes I know that people travel abroad and do immersive studies, however that is by choice with full knowledge of how things are going to be.


Shouldn't the school offer the class in both English and Spanish in the first place?
 
2013-07-21 11:23:04 AM
I got my nursing degree from the university of phoenix because I didnt care for all the distractions of a live classroom environment.
 
2013-07-21 11:23:24 AM
It astonishes me how completely aghast people get when they hear other people speaking a foreign language anywhere around them.  In Europe, most people speak several language, including English.  Half the time, their English is better than a good chunk of Americans who speak it as a native language.  Which both impresses and depresses me.  Back when I was in college, I remember sitting through a marketing class with two students sitting behind me chattering in Farsi the whole time.  Did I give a damn that I couldn't understand them?  No.  I just assumed they were doing what the rest of us would do; shiat-talk our professor.  Great guy, but about as interesting as wallpaper paste.
 
2013-07-21 11:26:07 AM

Lionel Mandrake: I went to a Giants game once and these people sitting three or four rows back were speaking some ungodly, incomprehensible babel.  Sure, there were tens of thousands of others murmuring and whispering and shouting in English, but that one family and their tongue-twisting garble completely ruined the whole day for me.

I wonder if it's too late to sue MLB


Are you sure it wasn't because one had a dick in their mouth?
 
2013-07-21 11:26:22 AM

Mark Ratner: I got my nursing degree from the university of phoenix because I didnt care for all the distractions of a live classroom environment.


Just out of curiosity, how do they handle clinicals in a mostly online situation? Does UoP have relationships with local hospitals?
 
2013-07-21 11:26:31 AM
I don't know.  I am kind of with her on this one. Hearing other folks constantly translating English into Spanish in the background would make it hard to concentrate.  Its not a bigoted position to expect other folks to speak English in certain situations as long as you are applying that rule equally to whites, blacks, hispanics and asians.
 
2013-07-21 11:26:49 AM
Read the whole article subby - you're misrepresenting the woman and the reason.
 
2013-07-21 11:29:14 AM

DarwiOdrade: Bennett claimed students translating lessons into Spanish for non-English speaking students constantly disrupted her, which she believes interfered with her ability to concentrate and learn the material, and was "hostile to her as an English speaker."

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess her ability to learn the material was in the -2 to -3 sigma range even without the distractions.


Yeah. Combine that with TFA's description of her aggressive behavior toward the instructor and fellow students, and her claims of discrimination are pinging my BS-ometer.
 
2013-07-21 11:30:05 AM
If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for America.
 
2013-07-21 11:30:05 AM

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2013-07-21 11:33:06 AM
If random, murmured Spanish bothers her in the relative quiet of a classroom, I wonder how well she would do concentrating on anything in a nursing situation.
 
2013-07-21 11:33:46 AM
I never really understand the reaction people have to people speaking other languages.  Hearing people do it around town is specifically why I started trying to learn as many languages as I could.  I don't care if people decide to speak in another language as long as they have the needed basic grasp of reading/speaking English.  But, then again, I live in a city where even the people speaking English can be incomprehensible to each other, since we have a good mix of people from the Northeast, deep South, and everywhere else in the damned nation.

/P.S.  If you frequent "foreign" restaurants with people native to those areas running them, as long as you try and aren't being a jerk, they tend to appreciate if you have any interest in their culture
//Learned a little Korean specifically to be able to converse with the guy who ran one of the best Korean places in town.  Guy started giving me free food after that!
///Unless you run into the person who hated their homeland and has renounced it and its language, had that happen one time
 
2013-07-21 11:33:58 AM
FTA:  "It's a sad day that we're here filing this suit in Arizona, it's a sad day in the United States of America, for this woman to be persecuted and insulted, discriminated against," Kent said, wearing a tie featuring the Confederate Stars and Bars, during a Monday press conference.

I can only hope that the case is not dismissed, but that the court finds for the defendant - oh, and that the court requires this bigoted asshole to pay the school's legal bills.
 
2013-07-21 11:35:22 AM

oflinkey: If random, murmured Spanish bothers her in the relative quiet of a classroom, I wonder how well she would do concentrating on anything in a nursing situation.


Given her belligerence and harassment, she'd end up working at a private rest home in Arizona, abusing the folks living there, so I doubt it'd matter (except that she'd probably want to abuse the Hispanic folks a bit more.)
 
2013-07-21 11:35:24 AM

jake_lex: I've never gotten people who get all butthurt and pissed off if people speak another language around them.  Who gives a damn.  Besides, it's easy enough to tell if someone's talking about you, even in another language.  If they keep looking at you, pointing, and laughing, then maybe you can get upset.  Until then, mind your own farking business.


Umm when I or most other people I know are talking abut someone in another language we try to not be that obvious - kind of the point of using another language to talk about someone in front of them.
 
2013-07-21 11:36:30 AM

"Bennett claimed students translating lessons into Spanish for non-English speaking students constantly disrupted her, which she believes interfered with her ability to concentrate and learn the material, and was "hostile to her as an English speaker.""


The first community college course I took had a woman who at one point bought her five year old kid in because she couldn't find a babysitter. Maybe I should have sued the school.

The disruptions were "hostile" to her? Were they telling her to shut the fark up, gringo or something?

 
2013-07-21 11:36:38 AM
I liked the part where her Confederate flag-wearing lawyer said she was a persecuted minority.
 
2013-07-21 11:36:47 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Any word on his Tea Party web site handle?


Just like all dems aren't socialists, all tea party members aren't racists but its easier to portray them that way to discredit any valid points they make. Not a tea party member since I gave up on politics long ago but you have to wonder about the concerted effort to shut down any effort to start a new political party. Its almost like to two existing parties want it that way......

On the article, I can see how it could annoying to have that distraction around you but without knowing the person we really have no idea if it was that bad or they are just a douche.
 
2013-07-21 11:37:10 AM
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2013-07-21 11:38:11 AM

jake_lex: I've never gotten people who get all butthurt and pissed off if people speak another language around them.  Who gives a damn.  Besides, it's easy enough to tell if someone's talking about you, even in another language.  If they keep looking at you, pointing, and laughing, then maybe you can get upset.  Until then, mind your own farking business.


CSB: I've got a relative that gets pissed off if he hears people speaking another language.  He even got pissed when he heard people speaking other languages during a family reunion that we had up in Wisconsin Dells, which is a tourist area that attracts a lot of foreigners, both tourists and college-aged summertime workers.  I asked him why he got so mad, and he said he knows they're talking about him.  Yeah, dude, every time you walk by some random mother talking to her kid on the street and they're speaking, let's say Ukrainian, they're talking sh*t about you.

1) paranoid delusions
2) wtf makes you think you're that important that random people on the street would recognize you and start talking about you
3) only reason I can think of why anyone would say nasty things about me is if I've wronged them... do you have a guilty conscience?  What have you done to foreigners?

/so happy I don't see most of my relatives very often
//luckily my parents are both good people, and they're the only ones I really have to deal with more than once every couple years
 
2013-07-21 11:39:32 AM

steamingpile: Not a tea party member since I gave up on politics long ago but you have to wonder about the concerted effort to shut down any effort to start a new political party.


Teabaggers are not a new political party, they are a branch of Republicans.

 Its almost like to two existing parties want it that way......

Not there fault - Duverger's Law - a single member simple plurality system like our own will almost always produce a two party system by it's very nature.
 
2013-07-21 11:40:12 AM
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2013-07-21 11:42:05 AM
"It's a sad day that we're here filing this suit in Arizona, it's a sad day in the United States of America, for this woman to be persecuted and insulted, discriminated against," Kent said, wearing a tie featuring the Confederate Stars and Bars, during a Monday press conference.

Or in layman's term: How dare my client be denied the right to be a bigot.
 
2013-07-21 11:42:50 AM
Just a short story:

 My mom was raised in a British household in Buenos Aires, Argentina, in the '20s. At that time, if one spoke spanish inside the house, there would be spankings. If one spoke english outside the house, there would be fights.

/that is all
 
2013-07-21 11:44:28 AM

oflinkey: If random, murmured Spanish bothers her in the relative quiet of a classroom, I wonder how well she would do concentrating on anything in a nursing situation.


Spent 18 years in NICU then went into management. I think I probably have farking hearing loss. The classroom will be the quietest thing she ever experiences.

Work in an open office these days with a dozen phone lines, 10 people yakking and constant copier noise. Absolutely peaceful.

WTF does this lady think she is signing up for?  Night shift at the morgue?
 
2013-07-21 11:45:07 AM

FitzShivering: I never really understand the reaction people have to people speaking other languages. Hearing people do it around town is specifically why I started trying to learn as many languages as I could.  I don't care if people decide to speak in another language as long as they have the needed basic grasp of reading/speaking English.  But, then again, I live in a city where even the people speaking English can be incomprehensible to each other, since we have a good mix of people from the Northeast, deep South, and everywhere else in the damned nation.


Yeah, I don't get that either. Knowledge is Power, but SO many willfully ignorant people in this nation don't understand that...
 
2013-07-21 11:45:15 AM

jake_lex: I've never gotten people who get all butthurt and pissed off if people speak another language around them.  Who gives a damn.  Besides, it's easy enough to tell if someone's talking about you, even in another language.  If they keep looking at you, pointing, and laughing, then maybe you can get upset.  Until then, mind your own farking business.


Well, that's sort of the problem: what do we in our society value as decent behavior in public. I was raised to never whisper in front of mixed company, that is to never tell secrets in mixed company. It is rude, and very discourteous to others. Save it for later.

Switching from one language to another is the same: going from a commonly known/spoken language to one less known means the speakers are trying to hide something, saying something rude, and acting poorly.

There may be more to this woman's story- speaking Spanish probably wouldn't be enough to enrage someone (who knows though), but I have been in innumerable situations my first two years of college (which wasn't that far back), and in fact I started college to be a nurse, where students would switch from English to Spanish to say the rudest things about the instructor. I remember taking my mid-term for my Ethnic Minorities class: a young lady came in late, with no paper, no pen or pencil (it was short answer and essay), and behind her in came another young man in the same predicament. They both knew the exam was today, but simply did not come prepared. Rather than explain the situation to the instructor they both sat there, loudly discussing the exam questions/answers in Spanish. When I complained that they were being loud, the young lady became viciously angry and stated she was simply asking the young man (whom also had no pen/pencil) for a pencil. I respond "teine un lapiz?" does not sound like "cual es repuesta?" and that she had at no point used the Spanish term for pen or pencil, and was asking for the answers.

That shut her up. The instructor not knowing what to do as I was the only student with extra pens/pencils and paper, allowed them to take the exam later. The young lady wouldn't accept anything from me. And the young man was embarrassed because he was caught with the young lady using the "You don't know my language"-card and got caught.

I don't care what language people speak, but in mixed company I believe people should speak what those around them are speaking, especially if they are more than capable of speaking it themselves. Proper behavior isn't a difficult concept.
 
2013-07-21 11:45:25 AM

Ima4nic8or: I don't know.  I am kind of with her on this one. Hearing other folks constantly translating English into Spanish in the background would make it hard to concentrate.  Its not a bigoted position to expect other folks to speak English in certain situations as long as you are applying that rule equally to whites, blacks, hispanics and asians.


Fark that.

Seriously. I work all day with folks that often lapse into their primary languages because they're dealing with difficult technical or linguistic concepts. It's especially common in educational situations - it can be distracting, but it's often necessary, and you just learn to deal with it.

But, given that "she was being suspended because she argued with an instructor about a test answer, complained about students speaking Spanish in and out of class, and displayed intimidating behavior toward students", in Arizona, I'm thinking that her rationale for the lawsuit has nothing to do with her distraction in class. No, we just have an old bigot that decided that the folks speaking Spanish around her were uppity, and she wants to put them in their place. That's pretty much all there is to it.

The only reason we're even hearing about this lawsuit is because it's in Arizona, where bigotry is a codified part of the very legislation in that state.
 
2013-07-21 11:48:37 AM
Speaking in class is speaking in class.  Language is irrelevant.
 
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2013-07-21 11:49:41 AM
jake_lex : I've never gotten people who get all butthurt and pissed off if people speak another language around them. Who gives a damn.

Imagine yourself sitting in a classroom:
Please open your books to page 57. Por favor, abran sus libros en la página 57.  Sarah, can you explain Sarah, ¿puede explicar how to start cómo iniciara saline drip?  una goteo de solución salina?

Now imagine a slight change:
Please open your books Hey Bill, how'd the date to page 57.  Sarah, last night go?  You bang 'er? can you explain Naw man, biatch stood me up how to start a saline probably a lezzie anyway drip?

In an academic setting, the professor should never need to compete with background conversations, in any language (including English), for the attention of the class.  It doesn't make one whit of difference whether they BS'd about their dates, or translated the lesson - If some of the students need a translator, they need to get the hell out of classes taught in English.

Yes, someone disrupted the class. Unfortunately, modern academia would never dare suggest that the illegals there on the public dime might count as the problem.  So, instead of fixing the car's alignment, the squeaky wheel simply gets tossed out.
 
2013-07-21 11:49:59 AM
BitwiseShift:
By the way, this guy's young girlfriend speaks French in bed.

And we're all ok with that.
 
2013-07-21 11:50:22 AM
"It's a sad day that we're here filing this suit in Arizona, it's a sad day in the United States of America, for this woman to be persecuted and insulted, discriminated against," Kent said, wearing a tie featuring the Confederate Stars and Bars, during a Monday press conference.

But don't you DARE call her a bigot (and a biatch).

/she lives in Arizona and is shocked that people speak Spanish?
//is every situation she walks into "hostile towards her as an English speaker" then?
 
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