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(Deadline)   Tom Hiddleston made Marvel's Comic-Con panel anything but low-key, referring to the crowd as "mewling quims" and introducing footage from Thor 2. Joss Whedon also revealed the title of Avengers 2, and it's a doozy   (deadline.com) divider line 88
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2013-07-21 10:25:23 AM  
"Age of Ultron" there, I said it.


/doozy?
 
2013-07-21 10:39:02 AM  
About time a thread popped up on this.. the one I submitted was denied about 8 hours ago.

(reads the link)  Okay, this link's better.
 
2013-07-21 10:39:14 AM  
They better get Ant-Man out first because without Hank Pym there is no Ultron unless they decide to a different direction.
 
2013-07-21 10:46:18 AM  
"Age Of Ultron"
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2013-07-21 10:48:34 AM  

texdent: They better get Ant-Man out first because without Hank Pym there is no Ultron unless they decide to a different direction.


Avengers 2 comes out just a few months before Ant-Man.

It's possible (likely) that Avengers 2 sets up Ant-Man, with A-M fleshing that whole character's bit out.
 
2013-07-21 10:49:19 AM  
Likewise, footage fromCaptain America: The Winter Soldier showed off how the post-AvengersMarvel universe will play out, emphasizing a more political tone that directors Anthony and Joe Russo said was "influenced by the political thrillers of the 1970s". Star Chris Evans agreed, describing his character's dilemma as an inability to fully accept the uncertainty of the modern world, and citing infringements on civil liberties as something "that's hard for [Captain America] to swallow." The footage reflected this, with one scene showing Captain America telling Samuel L. Jackson's Nick Fury "this isn't freedom, it's fear."

Very intriguing.

The movie will have most of the SHIELD members from the Avengers movie, plus the shadowy Security Council members who tried to nuke Manhattan.  And Black Widow, and even Gary Shandling reprising his role of Senator Stern from Iron Man 2.  I really want to see how this turns out.
 
2013-07-21 10:49:22 AM  
*Harf Harf* he say thing that he say in movie.

/I didn't do it
 
2013-07-21 11:00:49 AM  
ULTRON!  WE WOULD HAVE WORDS WITH THEE.
 
2013-07-21 11:06:00 AM  

zvoidx: "Age Of Ultron"


What's in HIS wallet?
 
2013-07-21 11:08:13 AM  

Uncle Pooky: texdent: They better get Ant-Man out first because without Hank Pym there is no Ultron unless they decide to a different direction.

Avengers 2 comes out just a few months before Ant-Man.

It's possible (likely) that Avengers 2 sets up Ant-Man, with A-M fleshing that whole character's bit out.


Or that one Ant Man from the titular movie isn't Hank Pym but Scott Lang (or the latest one, which happened to be quite funny but I can't remember his name).
Anyway, good luck to Whedon for making lovable a character who's spent the last 30 years in wife-beater limbo because one writer thought at the time that slapping the Wasp around would make the character edgy.
 
2013-07-21 11:09:19 AM  
Age of Ultron was a very "meh" event in the comics.  I know the movie will probably just take the name and the basic premise of the AOU story...but I remember reading it and thinking that for a comic, the even was weak, but it could be a good movie, because it wouldn't be so hard for the average movie goer to follow.

If this is the case, then I assume they will stay with continuity, and also start filming an Ant-Man movie what they will release before Age of Ultron.

So it looks like it's Winter Soldier and Dark World this year, next year Guardians of the Galaxy (Yay!), and 2015, Ant-man and Avengers 2.  Sound right?
 
2013-07-21 11:13:37 AM  

MensRea: ULTRON!  WE WOULD HAVE WORDS WITH THEE.


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2013-07-21 11:17:42 AM  

Dancis_Frake: Uncle Pooky: texdent: They better get Ant-Man out first because without Hank Pym there is no Ultron unless they decide to a different direction.

Avengers 2 comes out just a few months before Ant-Man.

It's possible (likely) that Avengers 2 sets up Ant-Man, with A-M fleshing that whole character's bit out.

Or that one Ant Man from the titular movie isn't Hank Pym but Scott Lang (or the latest one, which happened to be quite funny but I can't remember his name).
Anyway, good luck to Whedon for making lovable a character who's spent the last 30 years in wife-beater limbo because one writer thought at the time that slapping the Wasp around would make the character edgy.


Only people who don't read Avengers think that of Pym. He's actually pretty awesome, and his time as Yellowjacket is understood and forgiven.

What's more, Reed Richards has knocked around Sue, and even Peter Parker backhanded Mary Jane across the room once. Just like in Hank & Janet's case, there was a level of madness involved to excuse the act, but you never hear about those events-- Only about Hank's one moment of losing control when he was clearly going insane.

And really, the guy has done a lot worse than slapping Janet... Like inventing a robot that destroys the world and kills the entire human race in one timeline. That was pretty bad, too.

So how does Whedon make Hank likable? Simple: He skips the Yellowjacket period. This is the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It's a different universe; not the 616, and not Ultimate. THIS Hank Pym will likely never hit Janet because circumstances will be different, and the vast majority of the movie-going audience will accept him because of who he is on the screen. They won't know much about him, otherwise.

He also skipped Iron Man's slide into alcoholism, and the entire period of Marvel history in which Captain America was replaced by other guys during the 1950s, and one of those guys became a severe right-wing, jingoistic, commie-killing psycho. He skipped most of Black Widow's convoluted history (the woman's almost as old as Wolverine. Most people don't realize that she ages that slowly, or has any powers at all) and we never once saw Rick Jones in any of the Hulk or Captain America movies or moments.

In other words, the comics don't have to have much effect on the movies. They made a new universe here, and they can ignore the ugly parts of the 616 and Ultimate to make more refined, less messy characters.
 
2013-07-21 11:19:07 AM  
Uh, what about Thanos?
 
2013-07-21 11:25:42 AM  

foo monkey: Uh, what about Thanos?


Obviously fighting the Guardians of the Galaxy, possibly with some help from cameo Avengers.
 
2013-07-21 11:25:52 AM  

foo monkey: Uh, what about Thanos?


Marvel low balled him on a contract and he walked.
 
2013-07-21 11:26:42 AM  

foo monkey: Uh, what about Thanos?


My understanding is Guardians of The Galaxy will tie in to Thanos a bit...and he will be the main villain in Avengers 3.  I bet the Infinity Gems/Infinity storyline that's about to take place in the comics next year will be where they'll head in the movies.
 
2013-07-21 11:28:15 AM  

ZeroCorpse: foo monkey: Uh, what about Thanos?

Obviously fighting the Guardians of the Galaxy, possibly with some help from cameo Avengers.


And since Iron Man is a member of GotG in the comics...expect at least a cameo in the movie.
 
2013-07-21 11:30:35 AM  
Awesome. Glad they're having the Avengers' best foe rather than jumping straight to Thanos. Makes sense, as they need Guardians to setup Thanos, depending on which direction they go with him.

Loki was a terrible villian for Avengers I and they had nobody interesting to actually fight in that whole movie.
 
2013-07-21 11:30:56 AM  
It doesn't help that the writers of The Ultimates had Pym go from a one-time hitting of his wife due to madness...to being a habitual wife-beater with his co-dependent wife eating it up.
 
2013-07-21 11:31:36 AM  

FinFangFark: ZeroCorpse: foo monkey: Uh, what about Thanos?

Obviously fighting the Guardians of the Galaxy, possibly with some help from cameo Avengers.

And since Iron Man is a member of GotG in the comics...expect at least a cameo in the movie.


I doubt it, end credits at best.
 
2013-07-21 11:50:21 AM  
Tit pics and cosplay or GTFO
 
2013-07-21 11:52:01 AM  
Who the fark thought Rocket Raccoon was a good addition to the GoG film?
 
2013-07-21 11:57:13 AM  
FinFangFark:

Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes made a pretty good Ultron two parter.
 
2013-07-21 11:58:21 AM  

Christian Bale: Awesome. Glad they're having the Avengers' best foe rather than jumping straight to Thanos. Makes sense, as they need Guardians to setup Thanos, depending on which direction they go with him.

Loki was a terrible villian for Avengers I and they had nobody interesting to actually fight in that whole movie.


Hmmm.. yet I still somehow enjoyed it.
 
2013-07-21 11:58:50 AM  

bighairyguy: FinFangFark: ZeroCorpse: foo monkey: Uh, what about Thanos?

Obviously fighting the Guardians of the Galaxy, possibly with some help from cameo Avengers.

And since Iron Man is a member of GotG in the comics...expect at least a cameo in the movie.

I doubt it, end credits at best.


He show up in a new, vacuum suit and goes 'who the hell are you guys?'
 
2013-07-21 11:59:50 AM  

GypsyJoker: Who the fark thought Rocket Raccoon was a good addition to the GoG film?


To be honest, just the fact that this movie is brave enough to attempt that is what makes me excited to see it.
 
2013-07-21 12:00:15 PM  

GypsyJoker: Who the fark thought Rocket Raccoon was a good addition to the GoG film?


Everyone?
 
2013-07-21 12:04:19 PM  

GypsyJoker: Who the fark thought Rocket Raccoon was a good addition to the GoG film?


He was cool in MvC.

/I can haz Carol!Captain Marvel?
 
2013-07-21 12:11:21 PM  
I was kinda hoping the villian would be Krona.
 
2013-07-21 12:12:30 PM  

SilentStrider: I was kinda hoping the villian would be Krona.


Wrong comic company
 
2013-07-21 12:15:49 PM  

texdent: SilentStrider: I was kinda hoping the villian would be Krona.

Wrong comic company


Almost.

The Avengers did fight Krona.  Though, at the end of the fight, it was Superman wielding Thor's hammer and Captain America's shield that saved the day.

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2013-07-21 12:16:27 PM  

Dhusk: MensRea: ULTRON!  WE WOULD HAVE WORDS WITH THEE.

[earth603.files.wordpress.com image 850x604]


I recall the artwork looking different for that scene.  It is curious how the mind sometimes makes you remember scenes as being drawn differently.
 
2013-07-21 12:16:34 PM  

Alphax: bighairyguy: FinFangFark: ZeroCorpse: foo monkey: Uh, what about Thanos?

Obviously fighting the Guardians of the Galaxy, possibly with some help from cameo Avengers.

And since Iron Man is a member of GotG in the comics...expect at least a cameo in the movie.

I doubt it, end credits at best.

He show up in a new, vacuum suit and goes 'who the hell are you guys?'


That's the alleged Iron Man 3 credits piece that never happened.  Also, RDJ is only under contract for Avengers 2 & 3, and I don't think they would want to drop the millions it would take to add a GotG cameo.
 
2013-07-21 12:25:26 PM  

FinFangFark: So it looks like it's Winter Soldier and Dark World this year, next year Guardians of the Galaxy (Yay!), and 2015, Ant-man and Avengers 2. Sound right?


Almost. Dark World in November, Cap in April next year.
 
2013-07-21 12:33:57 PM  

Infernalist: texdent: SilentStrider: I was kinda hoping the villian would be Krona.

Wrong comic company

Almost.

The Avengers did fight Krona.  Though, at the end of the fight, it was Superman wielding Thor's hammer and Captain America's shield that saved the day.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 800x583]


at least someone got my reference.
 
2013-07-21 12:43:03 PM  
I don't remember the last time I've been so excited for so many movies.
 
2013-07-21 12:44:08 PM  

Christian Bale: Awesome. Glad they're having the Avengers' best foe rather than jumping straight to Thanos. Makes sense, as they need Guardians to setup Thanos, depending on which direction they go with him.

Loki was a terrible villian for Avengers I and they had nobody interesting to actually fight in that whole movie.


They were fighting each other for most of the movie, there really wasn't time for to spend on the villain.

They needed a villain whose motivation didn't need to be explained in detail (or at all apparently), who had undefined powers that could be limited and expanded as needed in the story, and who could be used to drive the interactions of the team in different ways during each part of the movie.

Loki was the absolute perfect villain for that movie and used in the most perfect way.

/he could have dropped at least a throwaway line about his motivation
 
2013-07-21 12:47:18 PM  
Avengers 2: A Doozy?

Well, it's no Electric Boogaloo, but I guess when you make $600 million+ domestic you can call the sequel whatever you want.

/yes, I know
 
2013-07-21 12:48:39 PM  

salvador.hardin: Christian Bale: Awesome. Glad they're having the Avengers' best foe rather than jumping straight to Thanos. Makes sense, as they need Guardians to setup Thanos, depending on which direction they go with him.

Loki was a terrible villian for Avengers I and they had nobody interesting to actually fight in that whole movie.

They were fighting each other for most of the movie, there really wasn't time for to spend on the villain.

They needed a villain whose motivation didn't need to be explained in detail (or at all apparently), who had undefined powers that could be limited and expanded as needed in the story, and who could be used to drive the interactions of the team in different ways during each part of the movie.

Loki was the absolute perfect villain for that movie and used in the most perfect way.

/he could have dropped at least a throwaway line about his motivation


"He's adopted."

Loki was doing this for his bruised ego. Even his allies disparaged his 'childish ambition'.
 
2013-07-21 01:06:06 PM  
2015?  Robert Downey Jr will be like 60 by then.
 
2013-07-21 01:24:50 PM  

Dhusk: MensRea: ULTRON!  WE WOULD HAVE WORDS WITH THEE.

[earth603.files.wordpress.com image 850x604]


YES!  They should have skipped the forgettable Age of Ultron storyline and done Ultron Unlimited instead.  Best Ultron story ever, particularly because of that moment.

texdent: GypsyJoker: Who the fark thought Rocket Raccoon was a good addition to the GoG film?

Everyone?


^This.  If they made a GoG movie without Rocket Raccoon in it, then it wouldn't be GoG.

The Guardians movie is going to be interesting to follow.  Look at the cast, and at some of the quotes involved parties have made about it...It's either gonna be really awesome, or a total clusterfark.
 
2013-07-21 01:25:24 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Dancis_Frake: Uncle Pooky: texdent: They better get Ant-Man out first because without Hank Pym there is no Ultron unless they decide to a different direction.

Avengers 2 comes out just a few months before Ant-Man.

It's possible (likely) that Avengers 2 sets up Ant-Man, with A-M fleshing that whole character's bit out.

Or that one Ant Man from the titular movie isn't Hank Pym but Scott Lang (or the latest one, which happened to be quite funny but I can't remember his name).
Anyway, good luck to Whedon for making lovable a character who's spent the last 30 years in wife-beater limbo because one writer thought at the time that slapping the Wasp around would make the character edgy.

Only people who don't read Avengers think that of Pym. He's actually pretty awesome, and his time as Yellowjacket is understood and forgiven.

What's more, Reed Richards has knocked around Sue, and even Peter Parker backhanded Mary Jane across the room once. Just like in Hank & Janet's case, there was a level of madness involved to excuse the act, but you never hear about those events-- Only about Hank's one moment of losing control when he was clearly going insane.

And really, the guy has done a lot worse than slapping Janet... Like inventing a robot that destroys the world and kills the entire human race in one timeline. That was pretty bad, too.

So how does Whedon make Hank likable? Simple: He skips the Yellowjacket period. This is the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It's a different universe; not the 616, and not Ultimate. THIS Hank Pym will likely never hit Janet because circumstances will be different, and the vast majority of the movie-going audience will accept him because of who he is on the screen. They won't know much about him, otherwise.

He also skipped Iron Man's slide into alcoholism, and the entire period of Marvel history in which Captain America was replaced by other guys during the 1950s, and one of those guys became a severe right-wing, jingoistic, commie-killing psycho. He skipped most of Black Widow's convoluted history (the woman's almost as old as Wolverine. Most people don't realize that she ages that slowly, or has any powers at all) and we never once saw Rick Jones in any of the Hulk or Captain America movies or moments.

In other words, the comics don't have to have much effect on the movies. They made a new universe here, and they can ignore the ugly parts of the 616 and Ultimate to make more refined, less messy characters.


Not a comic reader, but glad of the input on Black Widow. Her character seemed so useless, that it annoyed me. Like they threw her in there to add a female. I wish they had included her background.
 
2013-07-21 02:48:57 PM  
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Peepeye: Not a comic reader, but glad of the input on Black Widow. Her character seemed so useless, that it annoyed me. Like they threw her in there to add a female. I wish they had included her background.


EXCUSE ME WHAT.

Things the Black Widow has done..
In Iron Man 2, she got in close to Tony Stark, without him figuring it out, and learned to use the Iron Man weaponry. She then breaks into Hammer Industries, more or less alone, and breaks into the computer system to give control of War Machine back to Rhodey. Between that and the poisoning she arguably saves Stark's life several times over.
In Avengers, she brings Bruce Banner in without incident, tricks Loki into revealing his plan, bests Hawkeye in a fight and brings him out of mind control (then calms him after), fights hand to hand in an alien invasion, catches a ride on an alien craft and figures out how to drive it, and closed the portal.

No offense, but Natasha Romanov was kind of farkin' key to the plot of Avengers. She is not a weak character, she is not decoration. She shows less skin than Clint Barton does, for fark's sake.

On this note, could we have a Hawkeye movie please?

/and let's not get into the whole "Agent Coulson and his pet hitmen" thing
//I crossplay as Agent Coulson, was at AB and AKon
 
2013-07-21 02:59:05 PM  

Peepeye: Not a comic reader, but glad of the input on Black Widow. Her character seemed so useless, that it annoyed me. Like they threw her in there to add a female. I wish they had included her background.


Oh, don't get me started...

I think Johansson is hot. I even think she's a decent actress in the right role. However, the Black Widow was NOT the right role for her. She's kinda soft and curvy, and Natasha should be a bit hard and toned. But that's not my real problem with the movie version.

No, what I don't like is that, apparently, in the movies she's just a female James Bond. She fights like every Buffy female (the template for female fighting right now in Hollywood) with all sorts of flips, spin kicks, and head-scissors takedowns. She doesn't use her Widow's Bite (maybe once, and they don't even explain what it is), and they make absolutely zero reference to the fact that she is, in fact, something of a minor-league super-soldier herself. The Soviets altered her to age much slower, to have an incredibly strong immune system, and to have heightened physical attributes (strength, speed, agility, etc.) -- Not quite to Captain America's level, but definitely superior to the best natural athletes in the world. She's also incredibly intelligent and resourceful. For comparison's sake, she would be a fair match for Batman, and is probably a bit stronger, faster, and more agile than he is, with just as much training and several gadgets. She would kick Catwoman's ass from here to Gotham. Oh, and she's trained as an assassin, and has very little problem just taking out someone if they're too dangerous to allow to live.

She was born around 1928. You'd think that would come up in a movie series in which she would have been around to see Captain America in action the first time around.

So in a way, The Black Widow-- Natasha Romanova-- is kind of like the Marvel Universe female version of Ra's Al Ghul; Extremely long-lived, physically enhanced, mentally superior, and exceptionally skilled.

And what did we get in the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Catwoman without ears. Ugh. They weakened her considerably, dumbed her down a little, and took away her cool gadgets. Her Widow's Bite can stun superhuman opponents from about 20 feet away; It's a 30,000-volt electrostatic attack. Think "taser" but with a lot more kick. It also shoots tear gas and functions as a radio and computer. She also typically carries several plastic explosives disks on her belt. Even unarmed, she has Batman'd her way out of some serious brain-teasers (we're talking temporal fark-ups, here) and come up the winner.

And I get none of this from Johansson's version. If anything, Johansson's version is just the standard spin-kicky/chop-spinny girl secret agent with the whole hard-as-nails/soft-as-a-Playboy-bunny thing going on. There's nothing special or super about her. Sure, she can kick a lot of ass, but she never throws down with other superhumans; Just thugs and soldiers.

Hawkeye at least came off being somewhat superior to other average humans... And he never had secret Soviet scientists tinker with his DNA like Natasha did.

I love The Avengers movie, but they missed the mark so badly with the Black Widow. It's a shame, because she could have been something awesome.

Really, though, I think they should have had a truly super-powered female. Captain Marvel, Moondragon, Wasp, Spider-Woman, Jewel, Tigra, Stature, Jocasta... So many great female superheroes with powers, and they picked the one that made to look like a Catwoman clone minus the "pussy" jokes.
 
2013-07-21 03:55:19 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Peepeye: Not a comic reader, but glad of the input on Black Widow. Her character seemed so useless, that it annoyed me. Like they threw her in there to add a female. I wish they had included her background.

Oh, don't get me started...


Whereas Cap's the ultimate soldier, she's the ultimate spy (especially being given the Russian equiv. of the Super Soldier serum).
 
2013-07-21 04:30:28 PM  
 
2013-07-21 04:42:43 PM  
And since Iron Man is a member of GotG in the comics..

Not the comics I've read. I'm guessing this is a Marvel Now thing? Why the hell do Marvel feel the need to shoehorn Iron Man into everything? They already have Wolverine for that.
 
2013-07-21 04:47:13 PM  

Serial Killer X: And since Iron Man is a member of GotG in the comics..
Not the comics I've read. I'm guessing this is a Marvel Now thing? Why the hell do Marvel feel the need to shoehorn Iron Man into everything? They already have Wolverine for that.


Because "OMFG IRON MAN MOVIE MAKE BILLIONS!  HE MOST POPULAR MARVEL HERO!"

Yeah, in the new Marvel Now, that kicked off after the big Avengers vs. X-men event, many mutants joined different Avengers groups, and now there are several X-men teams, one of which is led by a fugitive murdering Cyclops.  That AvX event did include the Phoenix Force, which Iron Man really pissed off...so now he's modified his suit for deep space travel, and joined the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Also, they are in the process of doing some retconning of Tony Stark's origin...which I think is really stupid.
 
2013-07-21 04:58:33 PM  
If he builds Rocket or Groot an Iron Man suit, it'll be ridiculous enough to push it towards awesome, otherwise it's an awful idea. After a GIS I see they have also turned Star Lord into some generic spaceman, so I think 'awful' seems to be the buzzword for Marvel Now's GotG. Doesn't bode well for the movie despite the concept art seeming to suggest the team pretty much as I remember them.
 
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