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(The Atlantic)   Why you foolish, foolish people think vitamins are good for you   (theatlantic.com) divider line 163
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2013-07-21 08:39:19 AM  
But the cartoon characters told me I needed them!
 
2013-07-21 08:46:14 AM  
The news that vitamin supplements and anti-oxidant foods are actually killing the people that take them, instead of just making for expensive urine, is going to provoke a lot of mirth here.
 
2013-07-21 09:19:19 AM  
Supplements aren't necessarily bad for you. Lots of people have diets deficient in major nutrients, like most people get about 1/2 the recommended amount of potassium (which is about 9 bananas worth). What's bad is getting 500% of the RDA of those nutrients.
 
2013-07-21 09:23:20 AM  
Because eating healthy food is boring? Better to scarf down some shiat food, followed by a pill
 
2013-07-21 09:24:39 AM  
I'll just wait until next when it's good for me again.
 
2013-07-21 09:25:17 AM  
Next week, dammit.
 
2013-07-21 09:25:28 AM  
When your diet consists primarily of coconut-pineapple ice cream and Snickers bars, a multi-vitamin is probably a good ideal
 
2013-07-21 09:26:32 AM  
I remember that Time "Vitamins" cover. That thing was everywhere.
 
2013-07-21 09:28:55 AM  
I only take vitameatavegamin.   It's tasty too.
 
2013-07-21 09:30:06 AM  
It was clear in the first paragraph what the articles intent was.  There are times when vitamins are good for you.  For example, if you are dieting, they are a good supplement.  I guess ideally, you would keep track of what vitamins you are deficient in and only take those, but that would mean buying 50 different types separately instead of one multivitamin.
/Like the other guy said, I'll wait until next week for the article saying they are good for you.
 
2013-07-21 09:31:49 AM  

Smarticus: I only take vitameatavegamin.   It's tasty too.


It also makes unattractive women seem more attractive.
 
2013-07-21 09:33:41 AM  
A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.
 
2013-07-21 09:34:20 AM  

From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.
 
2013-07-21 09:34:28 AM  
Meh - I take my Flintstones multivitamin every day.  I eat a somewhat varied diet, so it's likely that I don't need most of what they've got in there - but they taste good, are relatively cheap, and probably do supplement those few things I'm missing.
 
2013-07-21 09:34:58 AM  
Do the vitamins cause cancer per se, or are there carcinogenic food dye additives like Yellow 5 on many or most pills?  Try regulating the dyes -- present on or in a lot of food products -- before you lead a lynch mob on alternative medicine.
 
2013-07-21 09:35:11 AM  
... and life is still the leading cause of death.
 
2013-07-21 09:38:52 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.


Go outside, and eat more mushrooms.
 
2013-07-21 09:40:15 AM  
What does Jenny McCarthy have to say on the subject?
 
2013-07-21 09:41:08 AM  
I love how this article explains almost an entire century of evidence that vitamins are bad for you and yet people still defend them.  People still say "it's ok to take them when....".  It is an unregulated quack system set to make people extremely rich at the cost of peoples lives.  For the longest time smoking cigarettes was recommended to people as a stress reliever.

My parents are people that are convinced that they are making themselves healthy with whatever the vitamin of the week is.  Every time a new thing comes up they try to convince everyone that they NEED to take it, and when that vitamin is proven to be nothing more than a sugar pill or worse they move on to the next.  I'm a smoker and I look down on you pill popping ignorant fools.
 
2013-07-21 09:42:48 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Do the vitamins cause cancer per se, or are there carcinogenic food dye additives like Yellow 5 on many or most pills?  Try regulating the dyes -- present on or in a lot of food products -- before you lead a lynch mob on alternative medicine.


Silly boy - correlation = causation when Farkers are mocking something they can feel superior about.  So of course vitamins cause cancer.  Just like firearms cause murder.  However, beer does not cause fatties.  Eating too much can, but only if it's McDonalds or KFC.  And they're all big-boned.
 
2013-07-21 09:43:40 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.


Linus Carl Pauling (February 28, 1901 - August 19, 1994)... Clearly, vitamin C will kill you.
 
2013-07-21 09:45:16 AM  

Mjeck: Because eating healthy food is boring? Better to scarf down some shiat food, followed by a pill


There's probably a lot more truth to this than you imagine.  If you eat a good balanced diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables, there's probably no need to take vitamins.  If you eat crap like I do because I'm a lazy fark and I take a mutli-vitamin pill and I'm less healthy it doesn't mean the vitamin pills I take are killing me - it's more likely my shiatty diet and lack of exercise that is killing me.

So, should I quit taking vitamins if I'm going to continue to eat mostly meat and carbs?

I'm guessing not - at worst, I figure it doesn't benefit me much.  At best it probably helps at least a little.

Ideally I'd quit drinking and probably eat several servings of fruits and veggies very day   Until I do that, I'm gonna keep eating those Flinstones Chewables....okay, I don't take those anymore.  I take the boring kind that you swallow whole.
 
2013-07-21 09:48:21 AM  
I buy vitamins for the placebo effect.
 
2013-07-21 09:50:05 AM  

Mjeck: Because eating healthy food is boring? Better to scarf down some shiat food, followed by a pill


I'd much rather eat tasty food and exercise than eat "healthy" food that is twice as expensive and tastes like shiat.  No your recipie for tof-anything will not change my mind I'd rather die early.

/not fat
 
2013-07-21 09:50:31 AM  
Poe troll
 
2013-07-21 09:50:36 AM  
Yea, but will a healthy diet make my piss neon yellow? The neon pee makes me know the vitamins are working, duh.
 
2013-07-21 09:51:20 AM  

I. R. Rottweiler: Englebert Slaptyback: From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.

Linus Carl Pauling (February 28, 1901 - August 19, 1994)... Clearly, vitamin C will kill you.


I don't think you paid attention to the big scary article. He died of CANCER! Right after they talked for a whole two paragraphs of how vitamins don't retard CANCER! Vitamins CAUSE CANCER!
 
2013-07-21 09:52:02 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D.


That's how you get rickets!!!  Get out of your mother's basement and get some sun, son.
 
2013-07-21 09:52:14 AM  
It's all a roll of the dice. Had a vegan, organic, grow-your-own friend die at 34 from bowel cancer. Maybe my taking vitamins doesn't help, but I haven't been sick in 30 years and at 61 people think I'm in my forties.
 
2013-07-21 09:54:56 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.


He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people: omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."
 
2013-07-21 09:56:01 AM  

Kimpak: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

Go outside, and eat more mushrooms.


Had the same result a year ago and switched to Vitamin D fortified orange juice and soy milk. That did the trick.
 
2013-07-21 09:56:34 AM  
cause Flintstones
 
2013-07-21 09:56:50 AM  

Deacon Blue: When your diet consists primarily of coconut-pineapple ice cream and Snickers bars, a multi-vitamin is probably a good ideal


Listen, if you're going to keep rooting around in my trash, I should warn you, I just got a cat.
 
2013-07-21 09:58:18 AM  
This is BS. A daily intake of vitamin C is absolutely good for you. Just look at my ex girlfriends.
 
2013-07-21 10:00:21 AM  
I don't know why I expected more than one or two posts in the article comments before an irate vitamin apologist made themselves known, whargarbl-ing about "scientist conspiracies" and how all the evidence provided by the article doesn't mean a damn because it doesn't involve the pro-vitamin "meta discussion".

And you're defending something I wasn't attacking, "scientists". I'm saying it's all BS. Studies of everything can be done, and a hypothesis made--wala, we have science. So don't deify it.
Science is overall a good thing, but some things can be assumed, can't they? Come out of the lab occasionally, and talk to people and you might get where I'm coming from.


/my brain...
 
2013-07-21 10:02:21 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: cause Flintstones


and
ecowatch.org
 
2013-07-21 10:07:09 AM  
I only take vitamins every other day so the cancer never has a chance to grow and the vitamins are still good for me!
 
2013-07-21 10:07:09 AM  
Sheldon: "You're buying ingredients for expensive urine."
 
2013-07-21 10:08:39 AM  
So, as with most things in life, don't overdo it. Good read. I'm gonna have to send this down the familial pipeline to my dumbarsed "health" freak brother. The amount of capsules he takes would rival that of an HIV patient and he eats WAY more than he needs to so he is more than likely damaging himself.

Can't let him know the info came from me though because apparently everything I say is a lie... yanno, because it doesn't fit in with his extremely limited and uninformed worldview. Example: He didn't believe me when I told him illegal downloads were... ILLEGAL.
 
2013-07-21 10:09:56 AM  
Well now that we've cleared that out, who wants to buy a $60 bottle of fruit juice that will cure your ails? If so, you can be in my downline!
 
2013-07-21 10:14:16 AM  
I hate vitamin pills. I never take them.

BUT I'm supposed to get a vitamin B shot every month. I think I only do it because it feels like you're a liiiiiittle bit high.
 
2013-07-21 10:15:18 AM  
I could write a paper on confirmation bias just from these comments alone.
 
2013-07-21 10:15:52 AM  

See You Next Tuesday: traylor: This is BS. A daily intake of vitamin C is absolutely good for you. Just look at my ex girlfriends.

I will be glad to. Post some pics.


There would be a lot of NSFW content here If I posted pics of them taking their vitamin supplements. Use your imagination.
 
2013-07-21 10:17:06 AM  

GungFu: I buy vitamins for the placebo effect.


I buy placebos for the vitamin effect.
 
2013-07-21 10:18:01 AM  
AMonkey'sUncle:
Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

RTFA / learn to read / whatever.  Nothing like that was ever said in the article.
 
2013-07-21 10:20:57 AM  
Here's what I got out of that very long article... vitamins may help you or they may not, they may kill you or they may not. Take them if you like but like everything in life don't take them to excess. Like everything else in the Snake Oil/Supplements aisle they are poorly regulated and YMMV.

As for Linus Pauling It seems he was a brilliant scientist until his late 60's then he became a bit batty. I'm thinking a brain disorder of some sort, he seemed to become fixated on one thing to the exclusion of all else even denying any science that didn't agree with him. Maybe a disease or a breakdown, a very small stroke. Maybe he just got old and cranky and wanted people to take a vitamin. Or maybe it was the only way to continue receiving his speaking fees.
 
2013-07-21 10:22:15 AM  

PacificaFitz: I love how this article explains almost an entire century of evidence that vitamins are bad for you and yet people still defend them.  People still say "it's ok to take them when....".  It is an unregulated quack system set to make people extremely rich at the cost of peoples lives.  For the longest time smoking cigarettes was recommended to people as a stress reliever.

My parents are people that are convinced that they are making themselves healthy with whatever the vitamin of the week is.  Every time a new thing comes up they try to convince everyone that they NEED to take it, and when that vitamin is proven to be nothing more than a sugar pill or worse they move on to the next.  I'm a smoker and I look down on you pill popping ignorant fools.


This.

:)
 
2013-07-21 10:22:18 AM  
Yet when a woman gives birth to a baby with defects, the first question howled by these very same people is "was she taking her goddamned vitamin?".
 
2013-07-21 10:22:22 AM  

notmtwain: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people:  omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."


And yet, just recently there were several articles about how those supplements don't work...

What ever happened to just doing what you want and what makes you feel good?
I take a multivitamin, I take St Johns Wort (they work), I take Milk Thistle (blood tests have proven that works (for me at least)), and I take Kelp (blood tests have also proven that works for me).

Pay someone enough, they'll conduct studies and come to any conclusion you want them to.

/doctors also hate alternative medicines because they aren't able to be patented so they aren't profitable for the pharm. companies that line their pockets....big surprise.
 
2013-07-21 10:22:22 AM  

megarian: I hate vitamin pills. I never take them.

BUT I'm supposed to get a vitamin B shot every month. I think I only do it because it feels like you're a liiiiiittle bit high.


Just drink a Spike energy drink.

33,333% B12!  The 350mg of caffeine will help you feel a little bit high too.
 
2013-07-21 10:22:35 AM  
James Jones foljs • a day ago

And you're defending something I wasn't attacking, "scientists". I'm saying it's all BS. Studies of everything can be done, and a hypothesis made--wala, we have science. So don't deify it. Science is overall a good thing, but some things can be assumed, can't they? Come out of the lab occasionally, and talk to people and you might get where I'm coming from.



Hooboy.
 
2013-07-21 10:22:59 AM  
But how many people (in America) actually follow a balanced, healthy diet?
 
2013-07-21 10:25:15 AM  
There is not one reputable study that shows any benefit of taking any type of supplement.  There is doubt that the body even processes them.  Most likely you are just pissing them right back out.
Vitamin supplements are the modern day snake oil...and at least that was typically alcohol based.
 
2013-07-21 10:28:27 AM  
barbaraj the_professor • 2 days ago

This is not science, this man is pumped up and dangerous, this is his paying for validating his own theories. ..We know, that children who are low in vitamin c and a, couldn't even survive an MMR vaccine. We killed half of the deficient Aborigine children in one "study". With the ubiquitous use of sun screen, we are seeing a re emergence of rickets..vaccinated children need extra b 12 and magnesium..to stop this will increase autism..this guy is not GOD no matter how much he thinks so.
 
2013-07-21 10:29:09 AM  

Kimpak: megarian: I hate vitamin pills. I never take them.

BUT I'm supposed to get a vitamin B shot every month. I think I only do it because it feels like you're a liiiiiittle bit high.

Just drink a Spike energy drink.

33,333% B12!  The 350mg of caffeine will help you feel a little bit high too.


You gotta try the shot.

It's like doing a teeeeeny bit of blow that lasts all day. I actually backed-up a shiatton of crap from my laptop. I mowed AND edged the lawn. My essay was farking fantastic and I vacuumed parts of my house I didn't even know were there.
 
2013-07-21 10:31:11 AM  
Vitamins help, IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY DEFICIENT in them. If you're a malnourished African toddler with rickets, pellagra, scurvy, and beri-beri, then yes you should take some vitamins if you're normally eating 1 meal every other day. In the first world, you have to be on a pretty damn Draconian diet to get to that level.
 
2013-07-21 10:34:53 AM  
So specifically, vitamins, don't cure cancer or prevent aging. OK. But do taking vitamins as a health supplement do any damage?
 
2013-07-21 10:35:13 AM  
Soy Lecithin will increase your seminal volume by loads and loads.
Really.
 
2013-07-21 10:35:33 AM  
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I'M BRINGIN' BACK TYPHUS AND TUBERCULOSIS! HOLLA HEY!


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SCURVY AND OSTEOPOROSIS, REPRESENT!
 
2013-07-21 10:36:07 AM  

See You Next Tuesday: Maybe I will swing by AnalSupplimentGirlz.com and see if I can spot them  :)


Well, you are missing the point. Semen contains a good amount of Vitamin C and B12 that should not be wasted.
 
2013-07-21 10:38:34 AM  
I was once a free radical, myself.  But then I had to get a steady job, and settle down.

Now I take a Centrum "Silver" every day.  <<sigh>>
 
2013-07-21 10:39:29 AM  

traylor: See You Next Tuesday: Maybe I will swing by AnalSupplimentGirlz.com and see if I can spot them  :)

Well, you are missing the point. Semen contains a good amount of Vitamin C and B12 that should not be wasted.


B12 you say?

Hmm, that would definitely be less expensive than the shot I get at the dr. office.
 
2013-07-21 10:39:37 AM  
There's a difference between supplementing to rectify a deficiency and augmenting with massive doses of vitamins well beyond what the body requires. The article clearly did not condemn supplementing to make up deficiencies.
 
2013-07-21 10:39:41 AM  
Not all vitamins are of good quality. The vitamins I take cost a lot. Whenever I forget to take them for a few days I feel like crap & tired. No matter how healthy I eat, I still need the vitamins.

Modern food has less vitamins than in the past due to poor soil quality, mass corporate farming, not being vine-ripened, long shipping distances, etc.
 
2013-07-21 10:40:03 AM  
They turned me into a newt
 
2013-07-21 10:41:28 AM  

See You Next Tuesday: Uh, this article is about massive overdoses of what are YES, IMPORTANT THINGS TO HAVE. Supplements. There's no way in hell you even bothered to read it. Vitamin C does not cure cancer. Sorry.


Cheer down, fella.
 
2013-07-21 10:43:15 AM  

megarian: traylor: See You Next Tuesday: Maybe I will swing by AnalSupplimentGirlz.com and see if I can spot them  :)

Well, you are missing the point. Semen contains a good amount of Vitamin C and B12 that should not be wasted.

B12 you say?

Hmm, that would definitely be less expensive than the shot I get at the dr. office.


Less expensive? I think you could even get paid for it.
 
2013-07-21 10:44:07 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Do the vitamins cause cancer per se, or are there carcinogenic food dye additives like Yellow 5 on many or most pills?  Try regulating the dyes -- present on or in a lot of food products -- before you lead a lynch mob on alternative medicine.


The article doesn't imply that vitamins cause cancer. What is discussed (near the end of the article) is that the evil free radicals (oxidants) may have an actual purpose other than to destroy DNA and make you look like Ghandi after a 3-week coke bender. The theory is that free radicals help destroy bacteria and prevent the formation of new cancer cells.

What is implied by the article is that, by taking massive doses of antioxidants, you're upsetting a balance that makes it where those oxidants can't do their job, thereby allowing cancerous cells to form and take over. The net effect would be a higher cancer rate. The antioxidants don't necessarily cause cancer, but they set up a situation where cancer can grow unchecked.
 
2013-07-21 10:47:44 AM  

See You Next Tuesday: thamike: See You Next Tuesday: Uh, this article is about massive overdoses of what are YES, IMPORTANT THINGS TO HAVE. Supplements. There's no way in hell you even bothered to read it. Vitamin C does not cure cancer. Sorry.

Cheer down, fella.

Do you not see the irony that you are mocking Jenny The Scientist while simultaneously throwing in with her?


No, I don't.  How am i supposed to see something you're presuming from an obvious joke I made on the internet?
 
2013-07-21 10:48:05 AM  

traylor: megarian: traylor: See You Next Tuesday: Maybe I will swing by AnalSupplimentGirlz.com and see if I can spot them  :)

Well, you are missing the point. Semen contains a good amount of Vitamin C and B12 that should not be wasted.

B12 you say?

Hmm, that would definitely be less expensive than the shot I get at the dr. office.

Less expensive? I think you could even get paid for it.


...are you a cop?
 
2013-07-21 10:49:38 AM  

amquelbettamin: They turned me into a newt


Well, you got better.
 
2013-07-21 10:49:40 AM  

amquelbettamin: They turned me into a newt


They kept me from becoming a newt.

I just keep taking them and I'm still not a newt.
 
2013-07-21 10:49:44 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Do the vitamins cause cancer per se, or are there carcinogenic food dye additives like Yellow 5 on many or most pills?  Try regulating the dyes -- present on or in a lot of food products -- before you lead a lynch mob on alternative medicine.


Before you go off on some diatribe, try reading the article.  They put forth a theory on why mega doses of antioxidants might be the cause of an increase in the risk of getting cancer.   Jeez, reading is not that hard.
 
2013-07-21 10:50:57 AM  
100% of people who take vitamins die! Scientific studies aim to prove a foregone conclusion. Most supplement users are: Older adults, who are rarely healthier than younger adults, unhealthy people who want an adjunct to science based medicine, and unhealthy people who rely on woo. The % of genetically healthy adults who eat nutritionally optimal diets and get enough exercise is statistically small enough to count as zero. Plus, humans are incapable of self-reporting behavior accurately. Studies are worthless unless performed, analyzed and reported on by unbiased experts. The amount of helpful information that filters through all that is extremely small.
 
2013-07-21 10:51:06 AM  

megarian: traylor: megarian: traylor: See You Next Tuesday: Maybe I will swing by AnalSupplimentGirlz.com and see if I can spot them  :)

Well, you are missing the point. Semen contains a good amount of Vitamin C and B12 that should not be wasted.

B12 you say?

Hmm, that would definitely be less expensive than the shot I get at the dr. office.

Less expensive? I think you could even get paid for it.

...are you a cop?


No, but I can dress up like one.
 
2013-07-21 10:52:05 AM  

notmtwain: The news that vitamin supplements and anti-oxidant foods are actually killing the people that take them, instead of just making for expensive urine, is going to provoke a lot of mirth here.


Big Nutra will have killed more than Big Pharma when all is said and done.
 
2013-07-21 10:52:22 AM  
There are so many exceptions that need to be made to this article that it is not even funny.

For example, until someone gets cancer, antioxidants are good for preventing cancer.  However, much of chemotherapy is intended to create oxidants in cancer cells, so if you have cancer, you absolutely do not want to take antioxidants.

After some years of contending with acidic vitamin C, L-ascorbic acid, which can cause unpleasant side effects in megadoses, someone got the bright idea of buffering it, so people could take more.  However, the problem remained that it is a water soluble vitamin, so is rapidly excreted from the body, which is why they took the megadoses in the first place.  Finally, not too long ago, someone figured out that the vitamin could be combined with lecithin, making it fat soluble, so it would remain in the body much longer.  And so you need to take far less for its good effects.

And that's just vitamin C.  Other vitamins, other rules.  For example, it is easy to overdose on vitamin A; vitamin D is not a vitamin, it is a hormone, and deficiency is common; the B vitamins work better together, and minerals need to be balanced with each other as well; and much depends on the individual, their work, habits, diet, intestinal flora, and medicines they take.

Finally, despite problems with Linus Pauling, the man, he did create a vitamin research institute that is just that.  It does research, not advocacy, and is the premier vitamin research organization in the world.

The Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University.
 
2013-07-21 10:52:48 AM  

PacificaFitz: I love how this article explains almost an entire century of evidence that vitamins are bad for you and yet people still defend them.  People still say "it's ok to take them when....".  It is an unregulated quack system set to make people extremely rich at the cost of peoples lives.  For the longest time smoking cigarettes was recommended to people as a stress reliever.

My parents are people that are convinced that they are making themselves healthy with whatever the vitamin of the week is.  Every time a new thing comes up they try to convince everyone that they NEED to take it, and when that vitamin is proven to be nothing more than a sugar pill or worse they move on to the next.  I'm a smoker and I look down on you pill popping ignorant fools.


you meant how mega doses of vitamins are often bad for you, right?  Because that is what the article is about and only an idiot would try to claim all vitamins are bad for you.  Only an idiot...
 
2013-07-21 10:54:26 AM  
It's a self-selecting group. People who have serious health issues are more likely to take vitamins.

The reason people think vitamins are necessary is advertising, so advertising is bad. Advertising is also the reason that people replace the batteries in their smoke detectors, so advertising is good.
 
2013-07-21 10:57:04 AM  
You know what you never hear? You never heard that RDA - Recommended Daily Allowance - is NOT the cap.

It's the minimum.

There are no posted maximums.  No one truly knows what they are.  But you've never heard of someone dying from eating too many vegetables.
 
2013-07-21 10:57:07 AM  

oukewldave: There are times when vitamins are good for you.  For example, if you are dieting, they are a good supplement.


Sure, but I think the main issue there is that people think dieting means "not eating enough nutrients to support health." You can get 100% of RDA of all vitamins and minerals while keeping calories lower than your BMR. It's probably the most effective way to do it, too.
 
2013-07-21 11:00:21 AM  
so my nonexistent effort at taking daily vitamins is paying off?


/profit
 
2013-07-21 11:00:25 AM  
Bullets have never been tested by a double blind study, but I do not doubt their efficacy because of random field tests.
 
2013-07-21 11:00:49 AM  

KawaiiNot: Not all vitamins are of good quality. The vitamins I take cost a lot. Whenever I forget to take them for a few days I feel like crap & tired. No matter how healthy I eat, I still need the vitamins.

Modern food has less vitamins than in the past due to poor soil quality, mass corporate farming, not being vine-ripened, long shipping distances, etc.


This is exactly what a naturopath told me. Then he proceeded to try to sell me $200.00 worth of "exclusive" vitamins. I can't afford that!

Eat right, exercise, die fit and healthy.
 
2013-07-21 11:02:26 AM  

notmtwain: anti-oxidant foods are actually killing the people that take them


What? Really? Now I don't know what to believe anymore. That tears it - I'm going to law school.
 
2013-07-21 11:04:45 AM  

traylor: megarian: traylor: megarian: traylor: See You Next Tuesday: Maybe I will swing by AnalSupplimentGirlz.com and see if I can spot them  :)

Well, you are missing the point. Semen contains a good amount of Vitamin C and B12 that should not be wasted.

B12 you say?

Hmm, that would definitely be less expensive than the shot I get at the dr. office.

Less expensive? I think you could even get paid for it.

...are you a cop?

No, but I can dress up like one.


O_O

Alright, I'm in.
 
2013-07-21 11:04:46 AM  

I. R. Rottweiler


Englebert Slaptyback: From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.

Linus Carl Pauling (February 28, 1901 - August 19, 1994)... Clearly, vitamin C will kill you.


*boggle*

How is what you said in any way related to what I said?

My point was that Pauling should have been known for so much more than the vitamin things. WTH was yours?
 
2013-07-21 11:05:34 AM  

Skeptigal: 100% of people who take vitamins die!


Life is a sexually transmitted disease. Always fatal.
 
2013-07-21 11:06:53 AM  

Sharksfan: You know what you never hear? You never heard that RDA - Recommended Daily Allowance - is NOT the cap.

It's the minimum.

There are no posted maximums.  No one truly knows what they are.  But you've never heard of someone dying from eating too many vegetables.



FYI, Vitamin poisoning

In the United States, overdose exposure to all formulations of "vitamins" was reported by 62,562 individuals in 2004 (nearly 80%(~78%, n=48,989) of these exposures were in children under the age of 6), leading to 53 "major" life-threatening outcomes and 3 deaths(2 from Vitamins - D and E; 1 from polyvitaminic type formula, with iron and no fluoride).

Probably not from eating too many vegetables but taking supplements. Also see Dietary Reference Intake for Tolerable upper intake levels.
 
2013-07-21 11:11:18 AM  

Skeptigal: 100% of people who take vitamins die! Scientific studies aim to prove a foregone conclusion. Most supplement users are: Older adults, who are rarely healthier than younger adults, unhealthy people who want an adjunct to science based medicine, and unhealthy people who rely on woo. The % of genetically healthy adults who eat nutritionally optimal diets and get enough exercise is statistically small enough to count as zero. Plus, humans are incapable of self-reporting behavior accurately. Studies are worthless unless performed, analyzed and reported on by unbiased experts. The amount of helpful information that filters through all that is extremely small.


You didn't read the article, did you?
 
2013-07-21 11:13:22 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Supplements aren't necessarily bad for you. Lots of people have diets deficient in major nutrients, like most people get about 1/2 the recommended amount of potassium (which is about 9 bananas worth). What's bad is getting 500% of the RDA of those nutrients.


Y'know, I hear this kind of stuff, like "you are only getting a fraction of the calcium you need," so I went and checked my bloodwork.  Got my iron checked, calcium levels, magnesium...everything I could check for, and the doctor threw in a few others.

I'm smack in the middle of them all except for iron, so I take a vitamin and I'm good.

So I don't get this "9 bananas a day" stuff.
 
2013-07-21 11:14:00 AM  

kxs401: I could write a paper on confirmation bias just from these comments alone.


Take the easy way out, instead
www.jamaicansmusics.com
 
2013-07-21 11:16:18 AM  
Reading this thread demonstrates to me how many people are so gullible to marketing.

Normally intelligent people continue to throw their money away on snake oil and woo, generally with they time-worn excuse "well, it's not doing any harm" or some anecdotal evidence rather than hard, scientific numbers.

Doctors, the supposedly scientific thinking individuals will give in to patients wanting antibiotics for a viral infection, blood-pressure pills and some will actually refer their patients to chiropractors, acupuncture or some other scam treatment.
 
2013-07-21 11:21:58 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.


The article is not about how defectives should live, it's about how people who aren't defective and biologically inferior should live.
 
2013-07-21 11:22:11 AM  
I took vitamins, ONCE.  I really don't know how anybody could do them regularly.  They gave me a headache and made me sick to my stomach, then I got dizzy and almost passed out.  I started getting freaked out, but luckily I had a sitter who was able to calm me down a little bit.  I still spent the next 15 hours of my life curled in in bed, sweating and hallucinating that the carpet was a writhing mass of flesh eating maggots.  I couldn't sleep for a day and a half, and then I crashed hard.  I didn't feel normal for a couple of weeks after.  I can't even imagine what it could have been like for me if I'd taken a vitamin shot instead.
 
2013-07-21 11:24:18 AM  
Nation's Experts Give Up

WASHINGTON, DC-Citing years of frustration over their advice being misunderstood, misrepresented or simply ignored, America's foremost experts in every field collectively tendered their resignation Monday.

"Despite all our efforts to advise this nation, America still throws out its recyclables, keeps its guns in unlocked cabinets where children have easy access, eats three times as much red meat as is recommended, watches seven hours of TV per day, swims less than 10 minutes after eating, and leaves halogen lights on while unattended," said Dr. Simon Peavy, vice-president of the National Association of Experts. "Since you don't seem to care about things you don't understand, screw you. We quit."

"My final piece of expert advice," Peavy added, "is that all of you people should just go fark yourselves."
 
2013-07-21 11:24:24 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Jon iz teh kewl: cause Flintstones

and


Those are all part of a healthy breakfast. Says so in the commercial.
 
2013-07-21 11:27:06 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.


Let's go with that substitute for "thought" that you use. Using YOUR alleged mind, and your alleged way of "thinking" (using "thinking" extremely loosely), according to the way you "think" (if you actually do think), everybody should dose themselves willy-nilly with antibiotics, regardless of whether or not they have an infection, everyone should pop antidepressants and adderall, regardless of whether or not they have the associated disorders. Yup, according to your brain-dead, monumentally stupid substitute for thinking, that is what people should do.

I'll spell it out, since you're such an idiot that your own DNA weeps for you:

Article points out that it is useless or even harmful for HEALTHY people to dose themselves with vitamin supplements.
A complete and utter farkwit (aka "you") is so stupid, so useless, and such a drag on the gene pool that said farkwit decides that the article says "never take vitamin supplements no matter what, at all".
If that farkwit is also not a filthy liar and hypocrite worth only of painful death and being thrown to coyotes, that farkwit will apply the principle to all other substances.

As I already pointed out, you are so stupid that your DNA weeps for you.
 
2013-07-21 11:27:15 AM  
When I hit 40 I thought it would probably be a good idea to start taking a one-a-day vitamin supplement.  I purchased a bottle and took one each day as suggested, then I started noticing my hair falling out, with an alarming amount of hair collecting in the drain grate after each shower.

I didn't connect the two at first.  It was only after a few times that I ran out of vitamins and my hair stopped falling out, and then purchasing more and having my hair start falling out again, that I was able to conclude the vitamins were the cause.  At first, I rejected it as a coincidence, but after taking and refraining from taking vitamins there was no doubt, vitamins were the cause of my hair loss.

I got on line and did some research to see what I could find.  The problem is a bunch of website promote vitamins as one way of stopping hair loss, and in some cases that is apparently true.  But if you shift through the sites you will evidentially find that vitamins A and D, when consumed at higher levels can cause toxicity which can result in hair loss.

Vitamin A - "Consuming high amounts of vitamin A can result in hair loss. The tolerable upper limit of the vitamin for those over age 19 is 10,000 IU per day, and higher amounts may result in toxicity."

Vitamin D - "Excess vitamin D is not a generally mentioned cause of hair loss. In fact, vitamin deficiencies notoriously result in hair loss, MayoClinic.com notes. On the other hand, extreme diets and nutritional imbalances also lead to hair loss. Hair loss can result as a secondary symptom to side effects frequently attributed to too much vitamin D, including weight loss and an itchy, irritated scalp."

I have always ate a healthy diet consisting a reasonable proportions of various foods that apparently already have enough A or D. When I took the one-a-day supplement it rose either one of both of those vitamin levels to toxic levels and caused my hair to start falling out.

The horrible part is after quitting the supplement  my hair has not regrown where it fell out  (but at least it has stopped falling out).  As a result, I not only a much higher hairline, I also have a very thin not-quite-bald patch about the size of a quarter that is still there.

I just wish vitamin toxicity information was more prevalent, as it could have helped me determine the cause of my hair loss much earlier and I would have a better head of hair as a result.
 
2013-07-21 11:28:47 AM  

gito: Kimpak: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

Go outside, and eat more mushrooms.

Had the same result a year ago and switched to Vitamin D fortified orange juice and soy milk. That did the trick.


Sardines are a good source of vitamin D too, but a lot of people don't like to hear that.
 
2013-07-21 11:29:34 AM  

OhioUGrad: notmtwain: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people:  omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."

And yet, just recently there were several articles about how those supplements don't work...

What ever happened to just doing what you want and what makes you feel good?
I take a multivitamin, I take St Johns Wort (they work), I take Milk Thistle (blood tests have proven that works (for me at least)), and I take Kelp (blood tests have also proven that works for me).

Pay someone enough, they'll conduct studies and come to any conclusion you want them to.

/doctors also hate alternative medicines because they aren't able to be patented so they aren't profitable for the pharm. companies that line their pockets....big surprise.


Remember, no matter how stupid you are, you can ALWAYS fall back to conspiracy theories!

Please die off quicker, so there is less stupid in the world.
 
2013-07-21 11:30:57 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.


I agree. I remember Pauling for being wrong about the function of DNA and the way that genetic information is encoded. He thought that DNA was just an inert scaffolding.
 
2013-07-21 11:31:41 AM  

MrHappyRotter: I took vitamins, ONCE.  I really don't know how anybody could do them regularly.  They gave me a headache and made me sick to my stomach, then I got dizzy and almost passed out.  I started getting freaked out, but luckily I had a sitter who was able to calm me down a little bit.  I still spent the next 15 hours of my life curled in in bed, sweating and hallucinating that the carpet was a writhing mass of flesh eating maggots.  I couldn't sleep for a day and a half, and then I crashed hard.  I didn't feel normal for a couple of weeks after.  I can't even imagine what it could have been like for me if I'd taken a vitamin shot instead.


Are you sure it wasn't an assload of LSD?
 
2013-07-21 11:32:24 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Do the vitamins cause cancer per se, or are there carcinogenic food dye additives like Yellow 5 on many or most pills?  Try regulating the dyes -- present on or in a lot of food products -- before you lead a lynch mob on alternative medicine.


The association is between the vitamins and the cancer. The controlled studies tend to use "unprettified" preparations, without the colors and flavors. Contrary to the delusions of idiot conspiracy theorists, scientists DO understand what a "confounding factor" could be.
 
2013-07-21 11:33:24 AM  
I'm no molecule identifying dude but I believe the word we're looking for here is isomer.
 
2013-07-21 11:34:22 AM  

PacificaFitz: I love how this article explains almost an entire century of evidence that vitamins are bad for you and yet people still defend them.  People still say "it's ok to take them when....".  It is an unregulated quack system set to make people extremely rich at the cost of peoples lives.  For the longest time smoking cigarettes was recommended to people as a stress reliever.

My parents are people that are convinced that they are making themselves healthy with whatever the vitamin of the week is.  Every time a new thing comes up they try to convince everyone that they NEED to take it, and when that vitamin is proven to be nothing more than a sugar pill or worse they move on to the next.  I'm a smoker and I look down on you pill popping ignorant fools.


How many centuries have we been amassing evidence that a literal interpretation of any religion's creation myth is not necessarily 100% true? Nevertheless, there are still literalists. Vitaminism is really yet another pop culture cult, and its adherents are just cultists. Braindead cultists.
 
2013-07-21 11:37:45 AM  

MrHappyRotter: I took vitamins, ONCE.  I really don't know how anybody could do them regularly.  They gave me a headache and made me sick to my stomach, then I got dizzy and almost passed out.  I started getting freaked out, but luckily I had a sitter who was able to calm me down a little bit.  I still spent the next 15 hours of my life curled in in bed, sweating and hallucinating that the carpet was a writhing mass of flesh eating maggots.  I couldn't sleep for a day and a half, and then I crashed hard.  I didn't feel normal for a couple of weeks after.  I can't even imagine what it could have been like for me if I'd taken a vitamin shot instead.


I'm thinking those weren't vitamins.
 
2013-07-21 11:38:29 AM  

PumpkinCake: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Supplements aren't necessarily bad for you. Lots of people have diets deficient in major nutrients, like most people get about 1/2 the recommended amount of potassium (which is about 9 bananas worth). What's bad is getting 500% of the RDA of those nutrients.

Y'know, I hear this kind of stuff, like "you are only getting a fraction of the calcium you need," so I went and checked my bloodwork.  Got my iron checked, calcium levels, magnesium...everything I could check for, and the doctor threw in a few others.

I'm smack in the middle of them all except for iron, so I take a vitamin and I'm good.

So I don't get this "9 bananas a day" stuff.


So you got blood work, found out you were deficient in something, and now you take a mineral supplement? Good for you I guess.
 
2013-07-21 11:46:04 AM  

Silly_Sot: OhioUGrad: notmtwain: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people:  omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."

And yet, just recently there were several articles about how those supplements don't work...

What ever happened to just doing what you want and what makes you feel good?
I take a multivitamin, I take St Johns Wort (they work), I take Milk Thistle (blood tests have proven that works (for me at least)), and I take Kelp (blood tests have also proven that works for me).

Pay someone enough, they'll conduct studies and come to any conclusion you want them to.

/doctors also hate alternative medicines because they aren't able to be patented so they aren't profitable for the pharm. companies that line their pockets....big surprise.

Remember, no matter how stupid you are, you can ALWAYS fall back to conspiracy theories!

Please die off quicker, so there is less stupid in the world.


After you dipshiat.
 
2013-07-21 11:47:12 AM  
Genetics have more to do with mortality rates than any pill, this is a waste of time since I am betting you could go back in those families that died and find out a lot of their family members died of cancer.

They should do more thorough genetic studies to find the connection of why some people can drink/smoke/eat whatever they want and live to 100 while others get addicted with the first drink, get cancer, or heart attacks no matter how well they take care of themselves.

But they have to focus on what is getting them the most cash instead of real research.
 
2013-07-21 11:52:34 AM  
Good, so the author and all those who believe this BS can decide not to take any vitamins can suffer from the diseases that lack of vitamins cause.
 
2013-07-21 11:52:57 AM  

ronaprhys: Meh - I take my Flintstones multivitamin every day.  I eat a somewhat varied diet, so it's likely that I don't need most of what they've got in there - but they taste good, are relatively cheap, and probably do supplement those few things I'm missing.


I take UltraVitaMan from Vitamin World and it tastes like shiat, probably does nothing, and is only slightly better than fish oil in the aftertaste department.
 
2013-07-21 11:55:44 AM  

steamingpile: Genetics have more to do with mortality rates than any pill, this is a waste of time since I am betting you could go back in those families that died and find out a lot of their family members died of cancer.

They should do more thorough genetic studies to find the connection of why some people can drink/smoke/eat whatever they want and live to 100 while others get addicted with the first drink, get cancer, or heart attacks no matter how well they take care of themselves.

But they have to focus on what is getting them the most cash instead of real research.


Actually, epigenetics is where it's at.  What your genes 'say' has little to do with what your body does with them.

Agree with you, generally, though:  the focus is on revenue, not advancement.
 
2013-07-21 11:59:28 AM  

JeffreyScott: The horrible part is after quitting the supplement my hair has not regrown where it fell out (but at least it has stopped falling out). As a result, I not only a much higher hairline, I also have a very thin not-quite-bald patch about the size of a quarter that is still there.

I just wish vitamin toxicity information was more prevalent, as it could have helped me determine the cause of my hair loss much earlier and I would have a better head of hair as a result.


You can regrow your hair naturally with herbal supplements and sprays.  I did.
 
2013-07-21 12:00:55 PM  

Jacob_Roberson: molecule identifying dude


Word association: Lionel Hutz.
 
2013-07-21 12:05:18 PM  
www.theblindcard.com
 
2013-07-21 12:10:37 PM  
 
2013-07-21 12:17:43 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: chiropractors, acupuncture


Uh... I had a chiropractor at a sports medicine clinic make it so I could walk upright again and diagnose the cause and tell me I needed massage therapy. I managed to get a few more relatively pain free years out of my body because of his help. Then after I suffered another massive injury the physiotherapists at the hospital said acupuncture had been approved as a proper science based treatment and tried that because the TENS therapy wasn't really cutting it. It did help to get me semi mobile again. There is a lot of BAD chiros and acupuncturists out there but the good ones help many many people. The main reasons the "chiros are quacks" thing started was because the early ones were making ridiculous claims like chiro treatments could cure cancer and other serious ailments which they obviously can't. They can help get an injured back/spine on the road to recovery though. Acupuncturists were considered quacks because western science couldn't pinpoint exactly why it worked. They couldn't understand it so therefore it was bogus. There were also some pretty wild claims about it curing stuff that it doesn't just like with chiros. Now they see it can help settle down nerves that are causing muscle spasms which are obviously very painful and can throw your bone structure out whack which leads to more injuries. So just like this article the outrageous claims being made about the treatments are false but they are beneficial for certain things. If someone is deficient in a specific vitamin/mineral then supplementing it to bring those levels up is going to be a good thing. Cramming yourself full of those same vitamins/minerals when you don't need them is the problem and really the article should have been more clear on that. I smell some kind of agenda on the part of the article writer. Probably a big Pharma/Corporate farming/anti liberal hippie thing.
 
2013-07-21 12:31:33 PM  
FTA:  "In May 1980, during an interview at Oregon State University, Linus Pauling was asked, "Does vitamin C have any side effects on long-term use of, let's say, gram quantities?" Pauling's answer was quick and decisive. "No," he replied.

Seven months later, his wife was dead of stomach cancer. In 1994, Linus Pauling died of prostate cancer"
.

See? VITAMINS KILLED LINUS PAULING!!!!!

And at the tender age of 93, no less.

p.twimg.com

RIP, Vitamin king.

1901 - 1994
 
2013-07-21 12:40:18 PM  
Day_Old_Dutchie: 
Doctors, the supposedly scientific thinking individuals will give in to patients wanting antibiotics for a viral infection, blood-pressure pills and some will actually refer their patients to chiropractors, acupuncture or some other scam treatment.

LOL. Know how I know you don't know many doctors? Science-based medicine is very fine, but Doctors are NOT scientists in any way shape or form. They are brutally empirical, individual and anecdotal.

Also, chiro treats back pain better than any other therapy and acupuncture works on horses and rabbits(according to the double blind, peer reviewed research, fyi) so you might want to take a weeeee little peek at your own "scienterrific" assumptions.

woo is woo no matter what you dress it up in, friendo.
 
2013-07-21 12:43:50 PM  
g-ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-07-21 01:14:59 PM  

here to help: I smell some kind of agenda on the part of the article writer. Probably a big Pharma/Corporate farming/anti liberal hippie thing.


The FDA has been whining for years that they are unable to "regulate" vitamins, herbal supplement and the like - claiming their "hands are tied" - which is bullshiat - the Feds have full power to prevent unwarranted claims, and yank anything from the market that they deem "dangerous" or adulterated. But bureaucracies live to regulate, and and to endlessly expand their control.

Many insist that such products should be subject to FDA "approval" subject to clinical trials like pharmaceutical drugs.

Problem: These clinical trials are not cheap, and virtually all are privately funded by the companies developing the drugs - knowing that, as patent holders, they can rake in billion$ if the drug gains approval.

In the case of vitamins, herbal supplements and the like, most cannot be patented, so who is going to pay tens or hundreds of millions of dollars for studies to win FDA approval for a supplement that their can competitors piggy-back on, and immediately sell *without* having to fork over a dime?

Bad business decision.
 
2013-07-21 01:20:04 PM  

Amos Quito: here to help: I smell some kind of agenda on the part of the article writer. Probably a big Pharma/Corporate farming/anti liberal hippie thing.

The FDA has been whining for years that they are unable to "regulate" vitamins, herbal supplement and the like - claiming their "hands are tied" - which is bullshiat - the Feds have full power to prevent unwarranted claims, and yank anything from the market that they deem "dangerous" or adulterated. But bureaucracies live to regulate, and and to endlessly expand their control.

Many insist that such products should be subject to FDA "approval" subject to clinical trials like pharmaceutical drugs.

Problem: These clinical trials are not cheap, and virtually all are privately funded by the companies developing the drugs - knowing that, as patent holders, they can rake in billion$ if the drug gains approval.

In the case of vitamins, herbal supplements and the like, most cannot be patented, so who is going to pay tens or hundreds of millions of dollars for studies to win FDA approval for a supplement that their can competitors piggy-back on, and immediately sell *without* having to fork over a dime?

Bad business decision.


there's trials of herbal and traditional remedies all the time. there's literally hundreds of trials ongoing at any given time. The science is advancing rapidly. There are many, many opportunities to isolate active compounds and craft practical drugs out fo the.

the FDA is the largest roadblock since they stand between a drug and the prescribing medical population, even if trials show that it works.
 
2013-07-21 01:22:29 PM  
Please leave Atlantic Editorial Staff alone.
They're busy weeding themselves from the gene pool, and that's a good thing.
 
2013-07-21 01:25:26 PM  
www.bestappetitesuppressant.us
 
2013-07-21 02:14:29 PM  

notmtwain: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people: omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."


God, trying to find an over the counter prenatal with anywhere near the best amount of folic acid but without a bunch of unnecessary herbal crap on top of a bowel-stopping amount of iron is impossible. I just bought a bottle of folic acid - I'd rather only take everything else, especially the iron, when I need it.
 
2013-07-21 02:17:29 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-21 02:22:38 PM  

vbob: [www.theblindcard.com image 415x238]


Is that a picture of a fishbowl?
 
2013-07-21 02:28:19 PM  
Look, if your calcium is low,or iron or whatever, & your doctor tells you to take a supplement, you should probably do it. Some deficiencies are real medical problems. To say all vitamin supplements don't work is false.

/ doesn't believe that it what the article was saying
 
2013-07-21 02:32:07 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Please leave Atlantic Editorial Staff alone.
They're busy weeding themselves from the gene pool, and that's a good thing.




Dr. Offit has published a book called Do You Believe in Magic?: The Sense and Nonsense of Alternative Medicine

You should log into your Amazon account, and leave a one star review. You'll fit right in...

Curiosity got the best of me so I skimmed a few chapters. I then did some research on this guy and learned that he basically works for Big Pharma and has gotten filthy rich developing and promoting vaccines and doing "research" for them. Therefore, alternative medicine goes against what he stands for and he is not be objective when writing about it. tribecca

Anti vaxxers/"alternative" medicine types are conspiracy theorists, and as such can only convince other conspiracy theorists. Since I have you down as "insane abiogenesis guy", I'm sure you're convinced.
 
2013-07-21 02:43:51 PM  
Normally intelligent people continue to throw their money away on snake oil and woo, generally with they time-worn excuse "well, it's not doing any harm" or some anecdotal evidence rather than hard, scientific numbers.

Sure the evidence is anecdotal, but I only really care if it works for me. If i see a problem in my health, I look up what has worked for other people (along with recommended dosages and warning signs to look for in case of overdose) and give it a try. If it doesn't help I stop taking it. Soy lecithin brought my cholesterol down from 210 to 150, but Taurine didn't do squat for my blood pressure (though it helped a friend of mine). Guess which one I'm still taking. Every person's body handles things a little differently, so what works for some may not work for others - this includes doctor prescribed drugs as well. Most medicine is anecdotal, and tests over large populations just give you probabilistic results, not certainties.
 
2013-07-21 02:44:08 PM  

Vodka Zombie: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D.

That's how you get rickets!!!  Get out of your mother's basement and get some sun, son.


Um, isn't rickets a vit c deficiency? That's why sailors got it, they got plenty of sun.
 
2013-07-21 03:09:56 PM  

o'really: Um, isn't rickets a vit c deficiency? That's why sailors got it, they got plenty of sun.


No. You are thinking of scurvy. Rickets is indeed caused by a lack of vit D.
 
2013-07-21 03:17:41 PM  

here to help: o'really: Um, isn't rickets a vit c deficiency? That's why sailors got it, they got plenty of sun.

No. You are thinking of scurvy. Rickets is indeed caused by a lack of vit D.


I thought Opus got rickets from cats.
 
2013-07-21 03:18:20 PM  

here to help: Rickets is indeed caused by a lack of vit D.


However I think you can still get it even if you get lots of sun like if you have a poor diet so sailors might still have been at risk. I'm pretty sure starving kids in Africa are prone to rickets. Not sure on that though.
 
2013-07-21 03:19:56 PM  

thamike: I thought Opus got rickets from cats.


I don't know but he was one hell of a tuba player.
 
2013-07-21 04:49:23 PM  
I hate all these studies or articles that say things are good for you and can prevent cancer then a week later they're bad for you and cause cancer.  It makes it hard to know what is good or bad for you.  I generally try to avoid any fad thing in terms of what's healthy for you.  However, I've had 2 doctors prescribe vitamin D to me.  I did an 8-week prescription for it and then I've been taking supplements for 3 years.  My new doctor had me take a blood test last week and my vitamin D levels have improved tremendously over 3 years since I started taking the supplements, but I'm still too low so I have to continue taking them.  Now I'm not sure if I should be as I already don't like taking things if they're unnecessary since I'm suspicious of these things, and then articles like this come up and concern me even more.  Do I go against my doctors' advise and just not take them?
 
2013-07-21 04:57:27 PM  

PillsHere: Do I go against my doctors' advise and just not take them?


No. Listen to your doctor. The article is saying that taking more than the recommended daily amount can be bad for you but they are being assholes by not specifically stating that if you are BELOW those requirements they will be beneficial. It is however to get your nutrients naturally though which in you case would mean getting some sun.

I've decided that the agenda of this article is simply to get clicks by "SHOCKING" the reader with knowledge counter intuitive to what they have been told for years. It is bad journalism and the journalist should feel bad.
 
2013-07-21 05:05:57 PM  
Chocks
 
2013-07-21 05:41:56 PM  

here to help: It is however to get your nutrients naturally though which in you case would mean getting some sun.


Yah where I live we rarely see the sun :).  In all fairness I rarely go out when it does appear.  I always avoided it though because my dad has had skin cancer repeatedly over the years.  In short, everything kills you and causes cancer.
 
2013-07-21 06:00:14 PM  

PillsHere: here to help: It is however to get your nutrients naturally though which in you case would mean getting some sun.

Yah where I live we rarely see the sun :).  In all fairness I rarely go out when it does appear.  I always avoided it though because my dad has had skin cancer repeatedly over the years.  In short, everything kills you and causes cancer.


You should look into natural light therapy then. Be careful there are a lot of scammy versions of this that cost a fortune and promise way too much but the idea is you get light bulbs that simulate natural light. Phillips makes some cool units too that will simulate the sun rising in your bedroom on a timer. That is very beneficial to folks who live way up north or don't have any windows in their bedroom. It helps keep you body's circadian rhythm in check (google that term... it is not some snake oil sh*t. All living creatures have this internal clock that reacts to the sun). However you can just get natural light emitting bulbs to replace the bulbs in whatever room you hang out in most. They aren't that expensive.

Other than that drink milk or just keep taking the vitamin D capsules. I used to live in a basement with no external light and the capsules helped a lot. Now I have a window in my bedroom and I make sure a little bit of sunlight gets in and I wake up at a normal hours and feel a lot healthier. Good luck.
 
2013-07-21 07:17:24 PM  

avratt: There is not one reputable study that shows any benefit of taking any type of supplement.  There is doubt that the body even processes them.  Most likely you are just pissing them right back out.
Vitamin supplements are the modern day snake oil...and at least that was typically alcohol based.


I work for our public utility, trash water, sewage.  You can go to the water treatment plant and view what the plant guys call the teacups, big machines that use centrifugal force to separate grit or solids from the rest of the material.  In the dumpster that collects the grit, you will see condoms, corn seeds, tampon applicators and other bits of crap that is no biodegradable or digest able.  Studded throughout the grit load are hundreds of vitamin pills.  Not even broke down enough to be in your piss.  Its anecdotal, but to me that is all the proof I need vitamins are a waste of money.
 
2013-07-21 07:47:04 PM  
So wait...what about vitamin enriched cereals? Is it any different if they pump corn flakes with vitamins?
 
2013-07-21 08:25:58 PM  
Taking more than the recommended FDA dosage is dumb no matter how you get it.

Thing is, every one of these articles talk about how nobody needs more than is found in a "healthy, balanced diet."  Guess what?  Most people don't get a healthy, balanced diet because it's easier, cheaper, and tastes better to eat crap, and telling them "well, you should just eat healthier" is never, ever, ever, ever going to work.  If you can provide even a small amount of missing vitamins in a pill form, and people will do that because it's cheap and easy, then I say that's better than nothing.

megarian: Kimpak: megarian: I hate vitamin pills. I never take them.

BUT I'm supposed to get a vitamin B shot every month. I think I only do it because it feels like you're a liiiiiittle bit high.

Just drink a Spike energy drink.

33,333% B12!  The 350mg of caffeine will help you feel a little bit high too.

You gotta try the shot.

It's like doing a teeeeeny bit of blow that lasts all day. I actually backed-up a shiatton of crap from my laptop. I mowed AND edged the lawn. My essay was farking fantastic and I vacuumed parts of my house I didn't even know were there.


I was having sleep problems on and off for nearly six weeks.  Not completely insomnia, but sub six hours a night, when I typically shoot for eight.  Oddly, it was worse during and right after my 3-day gym run each week, and then would get slightly better by the end of the week before kicking back in again.  I chalked it up to stress at work coupled with soreness from lifting, but I was never really that mind-racing or anything.  Rather it almost felt like I had downed 5-6 cups of coffee and was just ever so slightly tweaking, so I first tried cutting caffeine to no avail.

It was never particularly debilitating, but after a month it started to really catch up to me.  After about six weeks it was starting to become a real problem at work.  I'd take a break from lifting and it would inexplicably get better, so I figured hey... must be the workout.  But that didn't make sense, because for the last 10+ years of lifting, workouts always made me sleep like a baby -- not the other way around.

Long story short, I started a semi-scientific look at everything that had changed in my life, diet, routine, etc, and tried to eliminate just one variable at a time, over the course of several weeks.  Nothing worked.  And that's when I discovered my typical post-workout protein shake had quietly added 3000% B12 and B6 to their ingredients.  A protein shake I typically wolf down about an hour before bed, and which I'm more reliable about on drinking on lifting days.

*facepalm*

Switched brands to something that wasn't packed full of additional supplements, and now I zonk out nice and easy again.  Seems obvious in hindsight, but...  sigh.  TL;DR:  B12's a helluva drug.
 
2013-07-21 09:51:39 PM  

Majick Thise: Here's what I got out of that very long article... vitamins may help you or they may not, they may kill you or they may not. Take them if you like but like everything in life don't take them to excess. Like everything else in the Snake Oil/Supplements aisle they are poorly regulated and YMMV.

As for Linus Pauling It seems he was a brilliant scientist until his late 60's then he became a bit batty. I'm thinking a brain disorder of some sort, he seemed to become fixated on one thing to the exclusion of all else even denying any science that didn't agree with him. Maybe a disease or a breakdown, a very small stroke. Maybe he just got old and cranky and wanted people to take a vitamin. Or maybe it was the only way to continue receiving his speaking fees.


My guess, based on some of his quotes in the article, was that he wanted to live a long time, so anything that showed he would't be around in his 100s became bunk.

Or maybe it was a combination of all those things.
 
2013-07-21 11:52:54 PM  
Remember where the big money is. Interventionist drug and surgery based health care.
Keep that in mind when reading yet another story about how vitamins are no good or worse.

They'll tell you your body doesn't need some nutrient to heal itself. Instead an expensive drug is needed for the rest of your life to mask the symptoms.
 
2013-07-21 11:54:28 PM  

TheHappyCanadian: ronaprhys: Meh - I take my Flintstones multivitamin every day.  I eat a somewhat varied diet, so it's likely that I don't need most of what they've got in there - but they taste good, are relatively cheap, and probably do supplement those few things I'm missing.

I take UltraVitaMan from Vitamin World and it tastes like shiat, probably does nothing, and is only slightly better than fish oil in the aftertaste department.


I love the taste of the fish oil. I can chew and eat those yellow capsules like candy. I don't because they are 30 calories each but I don't understand why people don't like the taste.
 
2013-07-21 11:55:48 PM  

leadmetal: Remember where the big money is. Interventionist drug and surgery based health care.
Keep that in mind when reading yet another story about how vitamins are no good or worse.

They'll tell you your body doesn't need some nutrient to heal itself. Instead an expensive drug is needed for the rest of your life to mask the symptoms.


What's the difference between popping a vitamin pill everyday and popping another pill everyday?
 
2013-07-22 12:05:01 AM  

manimal2878: avratt: There is not one reputable study that shows any benefit of taking any type of supplement.  There is doubt that the body even processes them.  Most likely you are just pissing them right back out.
Vitamin supplements are the modern day snake oil...and at least that was typically alcohol based.

I work for our public utility, trash water, sewage.  You can go to the water treatment plant and view what the plant guys call the teacups, big machines that use centrifugal force to separate grit or solids from the rest of the material.  In the dumpster that collects the grit, you will see condoms, corn seeds, tampon applicators and other bits of crap that is no biodegradable or digest able.  Studded throughout the grit load are hundreds of vitamin pills.  Not even broke down enough to be in your piss.  Its anecdotal, but to me that is all the proof I need vitamins are a waste of money.


How do you know they are vitamin pills? They could be any kind of pill, probably disposed off after it expired.
 
2013-07-22 12:48:22 AM  

mr0x: What's the difference between popping a vitamin pill everyday and popping another pill everyday?


Nothing. Pills are pills, am I right? That's why aspirin is such a popular drug at nightclubs.
 
2013-07-22 08:30:24 AM  

mr0x: manimal2878: avratt: There is not one reputable study that shows any benefit of taking any type of supplement.  There is doubt that the body even processes them.  Most likely you are just pissing them right back out.
Vitamin supplements are the modern day snake oil...and at least that was typically alcohol based.

I work for our public utility, trash water, sewage.  You can go to the water treatment plant and view what the plant guys call the teacups, big machines that use centrifugal force to separate grit or solids from the rest of the material.  In the dumpster that collects the grit, you will see condoms, corn seeds, tampon applicators and other bits of crap that is no biodegradable or digest able.  Studded throughout the grit load are hundreds of vitamin pills.  Not even broke down enough to be in your piss.  Its anecdotal, but to me that is all the proof I need vitamins are a waste of money.

How do you know they are vitamin pills? They could be any kind of pill, probably disposed off after it expired.


Because of the shape, size and color.  Some of them are still shaped like the flintstones.
 
2013-07-22 08:51:23 AM  

freakay: So wait...what about vitamin enriched cereals? Is it any different if they pump corn flakes with vitamins?


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2013-07-22 09:08:01 AM  

manimal2878: Some of them are still shaped like the flintstones.


I'm calling bullsh*t. Those things dissolve in your mouth. I doubt they would survive even just traveling through the sewers let alone sewage treatment.
 
2013-07-22 10:17:41 AM  
I spend less than $200 a year for a quality multi-vitamin, fish-oil, and glucosamine/chondroitin.

I'd rather pee out a little extra than to have less than my body can utilize. Besides, I'm worth it.

Also...

teamshocker.com
 
2013-07-22 10:33:40 AM  

mr0x: leadmetal: Remember where the big money is. Interventionist drug and surgery based health care.
Keep that in mind when reading yet another story about how vitamins are no good or worse.

They'll tell you your body doesn't need some nutrient to heal itself. Instead an expensive drug is needed for the rest of your life to mask the symptoms.

What's the difference between popping a vitamin pill everyday and popping another pill everyday?


This is the paradox of big Nutra. "Screw those drug companies! They just want profit! That's why I spend 100 bucks a month on supplements!"
 
2013-07-22 11:52:40 AM  

here to help: o'really: Um, isn't rickets a vit c deficiency? That's why sailors got it, they got plenty of sun.

No. You are thinking of scurvy. Rickets is indeed caused by a lack of vit D.


Ahh, yes. Thanks for the reminder.
 
2013-07-22 11:55:34 AM  

here to help: manimal2878: Some of them are still shaped like the flintstones.

I'm calling bullsh*t. Those things dissolve in your mouth. I doubt they would survive even just traveling through the sewers let alone sewage


yeah, are right, I was exaggerating.  They don't look like flint stones.
 
2013-07-22 12:11:46 PM  

manimal2878: yeah, are right, I was exaggerating. They don't look like flint stones.


The hard packed coated vitamins could probably survive as could many caplet style pills but they are designed to break down in peoples stomachs. So I don't doubt vitamins/pills that got flushed might remain it doesn't mean they don't break down and get absorbed in the human body. Otherwise you'd see them in your poop and your pee wouldn't turn florescent yellow. There also wouldn't be the overloaded kidney issues some people get from taking way more than the daily requirements.

The supplements I like best are the greens+ style powder ones. Mix up a diluted batch of that (I'd use half what it says to use on the container), eat your breakfast and casual sip on the hay water for a half around and your system gets a chance to absorb it. It used to make me feel awesome but it's way too expensive for the good stuff.
 
2013-07-22 01:29:59 PM  

KawaiiNot: Not all vitamins are of good quality. The vitamins I take cost a lot. Whenever I forget to take them for a few days I feel like crap & tired. No matter how healthy I eat, I still need the vitamins.


There is something very fishy about that statement. Either it's psychosomatic or your body is just completely farked up. There is pretty much nothing (besides cocaine, I suppose) that a vitamin could contain that you could not be fine without for days, if not months.  My money is strongly on "it's all in your head".
 
2013-07-22 02:57:39 PM  

megarian: traylor: See You Next Tuesday: Maybe I will swing by AnalSupplimentGirlz.com and see if I can spot them  :)

Well, you are missing the point. Semen contains a good amount of Vitamin C and B12 that should not be wasted.

B12 you say?

Hmm, that would definitely be less expensive than the shot I get at the dr. office.


I hear this stuff works too

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-22 03:05:54 PM  

Pangea: I spend less than $200 a year for a quality multi-vitamin, fish-oil, and glucosamine/chondroitin.

I'd rather pee out a little extra than to have less than my body can utilize. Besides, I'm worth it.

Also...

[teamshocker.com image 250x250]


The whole point of the article was that you don't just pee out the little extra. The little extra can be a little too extra and be bad for you.
 
2013-07-22 03:50:17 PM  
mr0x: The whole point of the article was that you don't just pee out the little extra. The little extra can be a little too extra and be bad for you.

People who megadose on fat-soluble vitamins reach points of toxicity with certain nutrients. I figured it went without saying that I disagree with the premise of the article and feel that my anecdata outweighs their manipulated findings.

Cancer eventually develops in most people if they live long enough. Perhaps the increased occurrences of cancer are happening because people who take vitamins have a healthier lifestyle and generally live longer.

If vitamins actually caused cancer the children's breakfast cereal industry would be blown to smithereens because "...think of the children."
 
2013-07-22 04:34:09 PM  

Sharksfan: You know what you never hear? You never heard that RDA - Recommended Daily Allowance - is NOT the cap.

It's the minimum.

There are no posted maximums.  No one truly knows what they are.  But you've never heard of someone dying from eating too many vegetables.


Only on the inside..
 
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