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2013-07-21 11:29:34 AM  

OhioUGrad: notmtwain: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people:  omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."

And yet, just recently there were several articles about how those supplements don't work...

What ever happened to just doing what you want and what makes you feel good?
I take a multivitamin, I take St Johns Wort (they work), I take Milk Thistle (blood tests have proven that works (for me at least)), and I take Kelp (blood tests have also proven that works for me).

Pay someone enough, they'll conduct studies and come to any conclusion you want them to.

/doctors also hate alternative medicines because they aren't able to be patented so they aren't profitable for the pharm. companies that line their pockets....big surprise.


Remember, no matter how stupid you are, you can ALWAYS fall back to conspiracy theories!

Please die off quicker, so there is less stupid in the world.
 
2013-07-21 11:30:57 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.


I agree. I remember Pauling for being wrong about the function of DNA and the way that genetic information is encoded. He thought that DNA was just an inert scaffolding.
 
2013-07-21 11:31:41 AM  

MrHappyRotter: I took vitamins, ONCE.  I really don't know how anybody could do them regularly.  They gave me a headache and made me sick to my stomach, then I got dizzy and almost passed out.  I started getting freaked out, but luckily I had a sitter who was able to calm me down a little bit.  I still spent the next 15 hours of my life curled in in bed, sweating and hallucinating that the carpet was a writhing mass of flesh eating maggots.  I couldn't sleep for a day and a half, and then I crashed hard.  I didn't feel normal for a couple of weeks after.  I can't even imagine what it could have been like for me if I'd taken a vitamin shot instead.


Are you sure it wasn't an assload of LSD?
 
2013-07-21 11:32:24 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Do the vitamins cause cancer per se, or are there carcinogenic food dye additives like Yellow 5 on many or most pills?  Try regulating the dyes -- present on or in a lot of food products -- before you lead a lynch mob on alternative medicine.


The association is between the vitamins and the cancer. The controlled studies tend to use "unprettified" preparations, without the colors and flavors. Contrary to the delusions of idiot conspiracy theorists, scientists DO understand what a "confounding factor" could be.
 
2013-07-21 11:33:24 AM  
I'm no molecule identifying dude but I believe the word we're looking for here is isomer.
 
2013-07-21 11:34:22 AM  

PacificaFitz: I love how this article explains almost an entire century of evidence that vitamins are bad for you and yet people still defend them.  People still say "it's ok to take them when....".  It is an unregulated quack system set to make people extremely rich at the cost of peoples lives.  For the longest time smoking cigarettes was recommended to people as a stress reliever.

My parents are people that are convinced that they are making themselves healthy with whatever the vitamin of the week is.  Every time a new thing comes up they try to convince everyone that they NEED to take it, and when that vitamin is proven to be nothing more than a sugar pill or worse they move on to the next.  I'm a smoker and I look down on you pill popping ignorant fools.


How many centuries have we been amassing evidence that a literal interpretation of any religion's creation myth is not necessarily 100% true? Nevertheless, there are still literalists. Vitaminism is really yet another pop culture cult, and its adherents are just cultists. Braindead cultists.
 
2013-07-21 11:37:45 AM  

MrHappyRotter: I took vitamins, ONCE.  I really don't know how anybody could do them regularly.  They gave me a headache and made me sick to my stomach, then I got dizzy and almost passed out.  I started getting freaked out, but luckily I had a sitter who was able to calm me down a little bit.  I still spent the next 15 hours of my life curled in in bed, sweating and hallucinating that the carpet was a writhing mass of flesh eating maggots.  I couldn't sleep for a day and a half, and then I crashed hard.  I didn't feel normal for a couple of weeks after.  I can't even imagine what it could have been like for me if I'd taken a vitamin shot instead.


I'm thinking those weren't vitamins.
 
2013-07-21 11:38:29 AM  

PumpkinCake: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Supplements aren't necessarily bad for you. Lots of people have diets deficient in major nutrients, like most people get about 1/2 the recommended amount of potassium (which is about 9 bananas worth). What's bad is getting 500% of the RDA of those nutrients.

Y'know, I hear this kind of stuff, like "you are only getting a fraction of the calcium you need," so I went and checked my bloodwork.  Got my iron checked, calcium levels, magnesium...everything I could check for, and the doctor threw in a few others.

I'm smack in the middle of them all except for iron, so I take a vitamin and I'm good.

So I don't get this "9 bananas a day" stuff.


So you got blood work, found out you were deficient in something, and now you take a mineral supplement? Good for you I guess.
 
2013-07-21 11:46:04 AM  

Silly_Sot: OhioUGrad: notmtwain: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people:  omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."

And yet, just recently there were several articles about how those supplements don't work...

What ever happened to just doing what you want and what makes you feel good?
I take a multivitamin, I take St Johns Wort (they work), I take Milk Thistle (blood tests have proven that works (for me at least)), and I take Kelp (blood tests have also proven that works for me).

Pay someone enough, they'll conduct studies and come to any conclusion you want them to.

/doctors also hate alternative medicines because they aren't able to be patented so they aren't profitable for the pharm. companies that line their pockets....big surprise.

Remember, no matter how stupid you are, you can ALWAYS fall back to conspiracy theories!

Please die off quicker, so there is less stupid in the world.


After you dipshiat.
 
2013-07-21 11:47:12 AM  
Genetics have more to do with mortality rates than any pill, this is a waste of time since I am betting you could go back in those families that died and find out a lot of their family members died of cancer.

They should do more thorough genetic studies to find the connection of why some people can drink/smoke/eat whatever they want and live to 100 while others get addicted with the first drink, get cancer, or heart attacks no matter how well they take care of themselves.

But they have to focus on what is getting them the most cash instead of real research.
 
2013-07-21 11:52:34 AM  
Good, so the author and all those who believe this BS can decide not to take any vitamins can suffer from the diseases that lack of vitamins cause.
 
2013-07-21 11:52:57 AM  

ronaprhys: Meh - I take my Flintstones multivitamin every day.  I eat a somewhat varied diet, so it's likely that I don't need most of what they've got in there - but they taste good, are relatively cheap, and probably do supplement those few things I'm missing.


I take UltraVitaMan from Vitamin World and it tastes like shiat, probably does nothing, and is only slightly better than fish oil in the aftertaste department.
 
2013-07-21 11:55:44 AM  

steamingpile: Genetics have more to do with mortality rates than any pill, this is a waste of time since I am betting you could go back in those families that died and find out a lot of their family members died of cancer.

They should do more thorough genetic studies to find the connection of why some people can drink/smoke/eat whatever they want and live to 100 while others get addicted with the first drink, get cancer, or heart attacks no matter how well they take care of themselves.

But they have to focus on what is getting them the most cash instead of real research.


Actually, epigenetics is where it's at.  What your genes 'say' has little to do with what your body does with them.

Agree with you, generally, though:  the focus is on revenue, not advancement.
 
2013-07-21 11:59:28 AM  

JeffreyScott: The horrible part is after quitting the supplement my hair has not regrown where it fell out (but at least it has stopped falling out). As a result, I not only a much higher hairline, I also have a very thin not-quite-bald patch about the size of a quarter that is still there.

I just wish vitamin toxicity information was more prevalent, as it could have helped me determine the cause of my hair loss much earlier and I would have a better head of hair as a result.


You can regrow your hair naturally with herbal supplements and sprays.  I did.
 
2013-07-21 12:00:55 PM  

Jacob_Roberson: molecule identifying dude


Word association: Lionel Hutz.
 
2013-07-21 12:05:18 PM  
www.theblindcard.com
 
2013-07-21 12:10:37 PM  
 
2013-07-21 12:17:43 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: chiropractors, acupuncture


Uh... I had a chiropractor at a sports medicine clinic make it so I could walk upright again and diagnose the cause and tell me I needed massage therapy. I managed to get a few more relatively pain free years out of my body because of his help. Then after I suffered another massive injury the physiotherapists at the hospital said acupuncture had been approved as a proper science based treatment and tried that because the TENS therapy wasn't really cutting it. It did help to get me semi mobile again. There is a lot of BAD chiros and acupuncturists out there but the good ones help many many people. The main reasons the "chiros are quacks" thing started was because the early ones were making ridiculous claims like chiro treatments could cure cancer and other serious ailments which they obviously can't. They can help get an injured back/spine on the road to recovery though. Acupuncturists were considered quacks because western science couldn't pinpoint exactly why it worked. They couldn't understand it so therefore it was bogus. There were also some pretty wild claims about it curing stuff that it doesn't just like with chiros. Now they see it can help settle down nerves that are causing muscle spasms which are obviously very painful and can throw your bone structure out whack which leads to more injuries. So just like this article the outrageous claims being made about the treatments are false but they are beneficial for certain things. If someone is deficient in a specific vitamin/mineral then supplementing it to bring those levels up is going to be a good thing. Cramming yourself full of those same vitamins/minerals when you don't need them is the problem and really the article should have been more clear on that. I smell some kind of agenda on the part of the article writer. Probably a big Pharma/Corporate farming/anti liberal hippie thing.
 
2013-07-21 12:31:33 PM  
FTA:  "In May 1980, during an interview at Oregon State University, Linus Pauling was asked, "Does vitamin C have any side effects on long-term use of, let's say, gram quantities?" Pauling's answer was quick and decisive. "No," he replied.

Seven months later, his wife was dead of stomach cancer. In 1994, Linus Pauling died of prostate cancer"
.

See? VITAMINS KILLED LINUS PAULING!!!!!

And at the tender age of 93, no less.

p.twimg.com

RIP, Vitamin king.

1901 - 1994
 
2013-07-21 12:40:18 PM  
Day_Old_Dutchie: 
Doctors, the supposedly scientific thinking individuals will give in to patients wanting antibiotics for a viral infection, blood-pressure pills and some will actually refer their patients to chiropractors, acupuncture or some other scam treatment.

LOL. Know how I know you don't know many doctors? Science-based medicine is very fine, but Doctors are NOT scientists in any way shape or form. They are brutally empirical, individual and anecdotal.

Also, chiro treats back pain better than any other therapy and acupuncture works on horses and rabbits(according to the double blind, peer reviewed research, fyi) so you might want to take a weeeee little peek at your own "scienterrific" assumptions.

woo is woo no matter what you dress it up in, friendo.
 
2013-07-21 12:43:50 PM  
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2013-07-21 01:14:59 PM  

here to help: I smell some kind of agenda on the part of the article writer. Probably a big Pharma/Corporate farming/anti liberal hippie thing.


The FDA has been whining for years that they are unable to "regulate" vitamins, herbal supplement and the like - claiming their "hands are tied" - which is bullshiat - the Feds have full power to prevent unwarranted claims, and yank anything from the market that they deem "dangerous" or adulterated. But bureaucracies live to regulate, and and to endlessly expand their control.

Many insist that such products should be subject to FDA "approval" subject to clinical trials like pharmaceutical drugs.

Problem: These clinical trials are not cheap, and virtually all are privately funded by the companies developing the drugs - knowing that, as patent holders, they can rake in billion$ if the drug gains approval.

In the case of vitamins, herbal supplements and the like, most cannot be patented, so who is going to pay tens or hundreds of millions of dollars for studies to win FDA approval for a supplement that their can competitors piggy-back on, and immediately sell *without* having to fork over a dime?

Bad business decision.
 
2013-07-21 01:20:04 PM  

Amos Quito: here to help: I smell some kind of agenda on the part of the article writer. Probably a big Pharma/Corporate farming/anti liberal hippie thing.

The FDA has been whining for years that they are unable to "regulate" vitamins, herbal supplement and the like - claiming their "hands are tied" - which is bullshiat - the Feds have full power to prevent unwarranted claims, and yank anything from the market that they deem "dangerous" or adulterated. But bureaucracies live to regulate, and and to endlessly expand their control.

Many insist that such products should be subject to FDA "approval" subject to clinical trials like pharmaceutical drugs.

Problem: These clinical trials are not cheap, and virtually all are privately funded by the companies developing the drugs - knowing that, as patent holders, they can rake in billion$ if the drug gains approval.

In the case of vitamins, herbal supplements and the like, most cannot be patented, so who is going to pay tens or hundreds of millions of dollars for studies to win FDA approval for a supplement that their can competitors piggy-back on, and immediately sell *without* having to fork over a dime?

Bad business decision.


there's trials of herbal and traditional remedies all the time. there's literally hundreds of trials ongoing at any given time. The science is advancing rapidly. There are many, many opportunities to isolate active compounds and craft practical drugs out fo the.

the FDA is the largest roadblock since they stand between a drug and the prescribing medical population, even if trials show that it works.
 
2013-07-21 01:22:29 PM  
Please leave Atlantic Editorial Staff alone.
They're busy weeding themselves from the gene pool, and that's a good thing.
 
2013-07-21 01:25:26 PM  
www.bestappetitesuppressant.us
 
2013-07-21 02:14:29 PM  

notmtwain: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people: omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."


God, trying to find an over the counter prenatal with anywhere near the best amount of folic acid but without a bunch of unnecessary herbal crap on top of a bowel-stopping amount of iron is impossible. I just bought a bottle of folic acid - I'd rather only take everything else, especially the iron, when I need it.
 
2013-07-21 02:17:29 PM  
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2013-07-21 02:22:38 PM  

vbob: [www.theblindcard.com image 415x238]


Is that a picture of a fishbowl?
 
2013-07-21 02:28:19 PM  
Look, if your calcium is low,or iron or whatever, & your doctor tells you to take a supplement, you should probably do it. Some deficiencies are real medical problems. To say all vitamin supplements don't work is false.

/ doesn't believe that it what the article was saying
 
2013-07-21 02:32:07 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Please leave Atlantic Editorial Staff alone.
They're busy weeding themselves from the gene pool, and that's a good thing.




Dr. Offit has published a book called Do You Believe in Magic?: The Sense and Nonsense of Alternative Medicine

You should log into your Amazon account, and leave a one star review. You'll fit right in...

Curiosity got the best of me so I skimmed a few chapters. I then did some research on this guy and learned that he basically works for Big Pharma and has gotten filthy rich developing and promoting vaccines and doing "research" for them. Therefore, alternative medicine goes against what he stands for and he is not be objective when writing about it. tribecca

Anti vaxxers/"alternative" medicine types are conspiracy theorists, and as such can only convince other conspiracy theorists. Since I have you down as "insane abiogenesis guy", I'm sure you're convinced.
 
2013-07-21 02:43:51 PM  
Normally intelligent people continue to throw their money away on snake oil and woo, generally with they time-worn excuse "well, it's not doing any harm" or some anecdotal evidence rather than hard, scientific numbers.

Sure the evidence is anecdotal, but I only really care if it works for me. If i see a problem in my health, I look up what has worked for other people (along with recommended dosages and warning signs to look for in case of overdose) and give it a try. If it doesn't help I stop taking it. Soy lecithin brought my cholesterol down from 210 to 150, but Taurine didn't do squat for my blood pressure (though it helped a friend of mine). Guess which one I'm still taking. Every person's body handles things a little differently, so what works for some may not work for others - this includes doctor prescribed drugs as well. Most medicine is anecdotal, and tests over large populations just give you probabilistic results, not certainties.
 
2013-07-21 02:44:08 PM  

Vodka Zombie: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D.

That's how you get rickets!!!  Get out of your mother's basement and get some sun, son.


Um, isn't rickets a vit c deficiency? That's why sailors got it, they got plenty of sun.
 
2013-07-21 03:09:56 PM  

o'really: Um, isn't rickets a vit c deficiency? That's why sailors got it, they got plenty of sun.


No. You are thinking of scurvy. Rickets is indeed caused by a lack of vit D.
 
2013-07-21 03:17:41 PM  

here to help: o'really: Um, isn't rickets a vit c deficiency? That's why sailors got it, they got plenty of sun.

No. You are thinking of scurvy. Rickets is indeed caused by a lack of vit D.


I thought Opus got rickets from cats.
 
2013-07-21 03:18:20 PM  

here to help: Rickets is indeed caused by a lack of vit D.


However I think you can still get it even if you get lots of sun like if you have a poor diet so sailors might still have been at risk. I'm pretty sure starving kids in Africa are prone to rickets. Not sure on that though.
 
2013-07-21 03:19:56 PM  

thamike: I thought Opus got rickets from cats.


I don't know but he was one hell of a tuba player.
 
2013-07-21 04:49:23 PM  
I hate all these studies or articles that say things are good for you and can prevent cancer then a week later they're bad for you and cause cancer.  It makes it hard to know what is good or bad for you.  I generally try to avoid any fad thing in terms of what's healthy for you.  However, I've had 2 doctors prescribe vitamin D to me.  I did an 8-week prescription for it and then I've been taking supplements for 3 years.  My new doctor had me take a blood test last week and my vitamin D levels have improved tremendously over 3 years since I started taking the supplements, but I'm still too low so I have to continue taking them.  Now I'm not sure if I should be as I already don't like taking things if they're unnecessary since I'm suspicious of these things, and then articles like this come up and concern me even more.  Do I go against my doctors' advise and just not take them?
 
2013-07-21 04:57:27 PM  

PillsHere: Do I go against my doctors' advise and just not take them?


No. Listen to your doctor. The article is saying that taking more than the recommended daily amount can be bad for you but they are being assholes by not specifically stating that if you are BELOW those requirements they will be beneficial. It is however to get your nutrients naturally though which in you case would mean getting some sun.

I've decided that the agenda of this article is simply to get clicks by "SHOCKING" the reader with knowledge counter intuitive to what they have been told for years. It is bad journalism and the journalist should feel bad.
 
2013-07-21 05:05:57 PM  
Chocks
 
2013-07-21 05:41:56 PM  

here to help: It is however to get your nutrients naturally though which in you case would mean getting some sun.


Yah where I live we rarely see the sun :).  In all fairness I rarely go out when it does appear.  I always avoided it though because my dad has had skin cancer repeatedly over the years.  In short, everything kills you and causes cancer.
 
2013-07-21 06:00:14 PM  

PillsHere: here to help: It is however to get your nutrients naturally though which in you case would mean getting some sun.

Yah where I live we rarely see the sun :).  In all fairness I rarely go out when it does appear.  I always avoided it though because my dad has had skin cancer repeatedly over the years.  In short, everything kills you and causes cancer.


You should look into natural light therapy then. Be careful there are a lot of scammy versions of this that cost a fortune and promise way too much but the idea is you get light bulbs that simulate natural light. Phillips makes some cool units too that will simulate the sun rising in your bedroom on a timer. That is very beneficial to folks who live way up north or don't have any windows in their bedroom. It helps keep you body's circadian rhythm in check (google that term... it is not some snake oil sh*t. All living creatures have this internal clock that reacts to the sun). However you can just get natural light emitting bulbs to replace the bulbs in whatever room you hang out in most. They aren't that expensive.

Other than that drink milk or just keep taking the vitamin D capsules. I used to live in a basement with no external light and the capsules helped a lot. Now I have a window in my bedroom and I make sure a little bit of sunlight gets in and I wake up at a normal hours and feel a lot healthier. Good luck.
 
2013-07-21 07:17:24 PM  

avratt: There is not one reputable study that shows any benefit of taking any type of supplement.  There is doubt that the body even processes them.  Most likely you are just pissing them right back out.
Vitamin supplements are the modern day snake oil...and at least that was typically alcohol based.


I work for our public utility, trash water, sewage.  You can go to the water treatment plant and view what the plant guys call the teacups, big machines that use centrifugal force to separate grit or solids from the rest of the material.  In the dumpster that collects the grit, you will see condoms, corn seeds, tampon applicators and other bits of crap that is no biodegradable or digest able.  Studded throughout the grit load are hundreds of vitamin pills.  Not even broke down enough to be in your piss.  Its anecdotal, but to me that is all the proof I need vitamins are a waste of money.
 
2013-07-21 07:47:04 PM  
So wait...what about vitamin enriched cereals? Is it any different if they pump corn flakes with vitamins?
 
2013-07-21 08:25:58 PM  
Taking more than the recommended FDA dosage is dumb no matter how you get it.

Thing is, every one of these articles talk about how nobody needs more than is found in a "healthy, balanced diet."  Guess what?  Most people don't get a healthy, balanced diet because it's easier, cheaper, and tastes better to eat crap, and telling them "well, you should just eat healthier" is never, ever, ever, ever going to work.  If you can provide even a small amount of missing vitamins in a pill form, and people will do that because it's cheap and easy, then I say that's better than nothing.

megarian: Kimpak: megarian: I hate vitamin pills. I never take them.

BUT I'm supposed to get a vitamin B shot every month. I think I only do it because it feels like you're a liiiiiittle bit high.

Just drink a Spike energy drink.

33,333% B12!  The 350mg of caffeine will help you feel a little bit high too.

You gotta try the shot.

It's like doing a teeeeeny bit of blow that lasts all day. I actually backed-up a shiatton of crap from my laptop. I mowed AND edged the lawn. My essay was farking fantastic and I vacuumed parts of my house I didn't even know were there.


I was having sleep problems on and off for nearly six weeks.  Not completely insomnia, but sub six hours a night, when I typically shoot for eight.  Oddly, it was worse during and right after my 3-day gym run each week, and then would get slightly better by the end of the week before kicking back in again.  I chalked it up to stress at work coupled with soreness from lifting, but I was never really that mind-racing or anything.  Rather it almost felt like I had downed 5-6 cups of coffee and was just ever so slightly tweaking, so I first tried cutting caffeine to no avail.

It was never particularly debilitating, but after a month it started to really catch up to me.  After about six weeks it was starting to become a real problem at work.  I'd take a break from lifting and it would inexplicably get better, so I figured hey... must be the workout.  But that didn't make sense, because for the last 10+ years of lifting, workouts always made me sleep like a baby -- not the other way around.

Long story short, I started a semi-scientific look at everything that had changed in my life, diet, routine, etc, and tried to eliminate just one variable at a time, over the course of several weeks.  Nothing worked.  And that's when I discovered my typical post-workout protein shake had quietly added 3000% B12 and B6 to their ingredients.  A protein shake I typically wolf down about an hour before bed, and which I'm more reliable about on drinking on lifting days.

*facepalm*

Switched brands to something that wasn't packed full of additional supplements, and now I zonk out nice and easy again.  Seems obvious in hindsight, but...  sigh.  TL;DR:  B12's a helluva drug.
 
2013-07-21 09:51:39 PM  

Majick Thise: Here's what I got out of that very long article... vitamins may help you or they may not, they may kill you or they may not. Take them if you like but like everything in life don't take them to excess. Like everything else in the Snake Oil/Supplements aisle they are poorly regulated and YMMV.

As for Linus Pauling It seems he was a brilliant scientist until his late 60's then he became a bit batty. I'm thinking a brain disorder of some sort, he seemed to become fixated on one thing to the exclusion of all else even denying any science that didn't agree with him. Maybe a disease or a breakdown, a very small stroke. Maybe he just got old and cranky and wanted people to take a vitamin. Or maybe it was the only way to continue receiving his speaking fees.


My guess, based on some of his quotes in the article, was that he wanted to live a long time, so anything that showed he would't be around in his 100s became bunk.

Or maybe it was a combination of all those things.
 
2013-07-21 11:52:54 PM  
Remember where the big money is. Interventionist drug and surgery based health care.
Keep that in mind when reading yet another story about how vitamins are no good or worse.

They'll tell you your body doesn't need some nutrient to heal itself. Instead an expensive drug is needed for the rest of your life to mask the symptoms.
 
2013-07-21 11:54:28 PM  

TheHappyCanadian: ronaprhys: Meh - I take my Flintstones multivitamin every day.  I eat a somewhat varied diet, so it's likely that I don't need most of what they've got in there - but they taste good, are relatively cheap, and probably do supplement those few things I'm missing.

I take UltraVitaMan from Vitamin World and it tastes like shiat, probably does nothing, and is only slightly better than fish oil in the aftertaste department.


I love the taste of the fish oil. I can chew and eat those yellow capsules like candy. I don't because they are 30 calories each but I don't understand why people don't like the taste.
 
2013-07-21 11:55:48 PM  

leadmetal: Remember where the big money is. Interventionist drug and surgery based health care.
Keep that in mind when reading yet another story about how vitamins are no good or worse.

They'll tell you your body doesn't need some nutrient to heal itself. Instead an expensive drug is needed for the rest of your life to mask the symptoms.


What's the difference between popping a vitamin pill everyday and popping another pill everyday?
 
2013-07-22 12:05:01 AM  

manimal2878: avratt: There is not one reputable study that shows any benefit of taking any type of supplement.  There is doubt that the body even processes them.  Most likely you are just pissing them right back out.
Vitamin supplements are the modern day snake oil...and at least that was typically alcohol based.

I work for our public utility, trash water, sewage.  You can go to the water treatment plant and view what the plant guys call the teacups, big machines that use centrifugal force to separate grit or solids from the rest of the material.  In the dumpster that collects the grit, you will see condoms, corn seeds, tampon applicators and other bits of crap that is no biodegradable or digest able.  Studded throughout the grit load are hundreds of vitamin pills.  Not even broke down enough to be in your piss.  Its anecdotal, but to me that is all the proof I need vitamins are a waste of money.


How do you know they are vitamin pills? They could be any kind of pill, probably disposed off after it expired.
 
2013-07-22 12:48:22 AM  

mr0x: What's the difference between popping a vitamin pill everyday and popping another pill everyday?


Nothing. Pills are pills, am I right? That's why aspirin is such a popular drug at nightclubs.
 
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