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2013-07-21 08:39:19 AM
But the cartoon characters told me I needed them!
 
2013-07-21 08:46:14 AM
The news that vitamin supplements and anti-oxidant foods are actually killing the people that take them, instead of just making for expensive urine, is going to provoke a lot of mirth here.
 
2013-07-21 09:19:19 AM
Supplements aren't necessarily bad for you. Lots of people have diets deficient in major nutrients, like most people get about 1/2 the recommended amount of potassium (which is about 9 bananas worth). What's bad is getting 500% of the RDA of those nutrients.
 
2013-07-21 09:23:20 AM
Because eating healthy food is boring? Better to scarf down some shiat food, followed by a pill
 
2013-07-21 09:24:39 AM
I'll just wait until next when it's good for me again.
 
2013-07-21 09:25:17 AM
Next week, dammit.
 
2013-07-21 09:25:28 AM
When your diet consists primarily of coconut-pineapple ice cream and Snickers bars, a multi-vitamin is probably a good ideal
 
2013-07-21 09:26:32 AM
I remember that Time "Vitamins" cover. That thing was everywhere.
 
2013-07-21 09:28:55 AM
I only take vitameatavegamin.   It's tasty too.
 
2013-07-21 09:30:06 AM
It was clear in the first paragraph what the articles intent was.  There are times when vitamins are good for you.  For example, if you are dieting, they are a good supplement.  I guess ideally, you would keep track of what vitamins you are deficient in and only take those, but that would mean buying 50 different types separately instead of one multivitamin.
/Like the other guy said, I'll wait until next week for the article saying they are good for you.
 
2013-07-21 09:31:49 AM

Smarticus: I only take vitameatavegamin.   It's tasty too.


It also makes unattractive women seem more attractive.
 
2013-07-21 09:33:41 AM
A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.
 
2013-07-21 09:34:20 AM

From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.
 
2013-07-21 09:34:28 AM
Meh - I take my Flintstones multivitamin every day.  I eat a somewhat varied diet, so it's likely that I don't need most of what they've got in there - but they taste good, are relatively cheap, and probably do supplement those few things I'm missing.
 
2013-07-21 09:34:58 AM
Do the vitamins cause cancer per se, or are there carcinogenic food dye additives like Yellow 5 on many or most pills?  Try regulating the dyes -- present on or in a lot of food products -- before you lead a lynch mob on alternative medicine.
 
2013-07-21 09:35:11 AM
... and life is still the leading cause of death.
 
2013-07-21 09:38:52 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.


Go outside, and eat more mushrooms.
 
2013-07-21 09:40:15 AM
What does Jenny McCarthy have to say on the subject?
 
2013-07-21 09:41:08 AM
I love how this article explains almost an entire century of evidence that vitamins are bad for you and yet people still defend them.  People still say "it's ok to take them when....".  It is an unregulated quack system set to make people extremely rich at the cost of peoples lives.  For the longest time smoking cigarettes was recommended to people as a stress reliever.

My parents are people that are convinced that they are making themselves healthy with whatever the vitamin of the week is.  Every time a new thing comes up they try to convince everyone that they NEED to take it, and when that vitamin is proven to be nothing more than a sugar pill or worse they move on to the next.  I'm a smoker and I look down on you pill popping ignorant fools.
 
2013-07-21 09:42:48 AM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Do the vitamins cause cancer per se, or are there carcinogenic food dye additives like Yellow 5 on many or most pills?  Try regulating the dyes -- present on or in a lot of food products -- before you lead a lynch mob on alternative medicine.


Silly boy - correlation = causation when Farkers are mocking something they can feel superior about.  So of course vitamins cause cancer.  Just like firearms cause murder.  However, beer does not cause fatties.  Eating too much can, but only if it's McDonalds or KFC.  And they're all big-boned.
 
2013-07-21 09:43:40 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.


Linus Carl Pauling (February 28, 1901 - August 19, 1994)... Clearly, vitamin C will kill you.
 
2013-07-21 09:45:16 AM

Mjeck: Because eating healthy food is boring? Better to scarf down some shiat food, followed by a pill


There's probably a lot more truth to this than you imagine.  If you eat a good balanced diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables, there's probably no need to take vitamins.  If you eat crap like I do because I'm a lazy fark and I take a mutli-vitamin pill and I'm less healthy it doesn't mean the vitamin pills I take are killing me - it's more likely my shiatty diet and lack of exercise that is killing me.

So, should I quit taking vitamins if I'm going to continue to eat mostly meat and carbs?

I'm guessing not - at worst, I figure it doesn't benefit me much.  At best it probably helps at least a little.

Ideally I'd quit drinking and probably eat several servings of fruits and veggies very day   Until I do that, I'm gonna keep eating those Flinstones Chewables....okay, I don't take those anymore.  I take the boring kind that you swallow whole.
 
2013-07-21 09:48:21 AM
I buy vitamins for the placebo effect.
 
2013-07-21 09:50:05 AM

Mjeck: Because eating healthy food is boring? Better to scarf down some shiat food, followed by a pill


I'd much rather eat tasty food and exercise than eat "healthy" food that is twice as expensive and tastes like shiat.  No your recipie for tof-anything will not change my mind I'd rather die early.

/not fat
 
2013-07-21 09:50:31 AM
Poe troll
 
2013-07-21 09:50:36 AM
Yea, but will a healthy diet make my piss neon yellow? The neon pee makes me know the vitamins are working, duh.
 
2013-07-21 09:51:20 AM

I. R. Rottweiler: Englebert Slaptyback: From that day forward, people would remember Linus Pauling for one thing: vitamin C.


To be fair, these people were the sort of incurious dullards who had never heard of Pauling in any other context. Sad, really.

Linus Carl Pauling (February 28, 1901 - August 19, 1994)... Clearly, vitamin C will kill you.


I don't think you paid attention to the big scary article. He died of CANCER! Right after they talked for a whole two paragraphs of how vitamins don't retard CANCER! Vitamins CAUSE CANCER!
 
2013-07-21 09:52:02 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D.


That's how you get rickets!!!  Get out of your mother's basement and get some sun, son.
 
2013-07-21 09:52:14 AM
It's all a roll of the dice. Had a vegan, organic, grow-your-own friend die at 34 from bowel cancer. Maybe my taking vitamins doesn't help, but I haven't been sick in 30 years and at 61 people think I'm in my forties.
 
2013-07-21 09:54:56 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.


He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people: omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."
 
2013-07-21 09:56:01 AM

Kimpak: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

Go outside, and eat more mushrooms.


Had the same result a year ago and switched to Vitamin D fortified orange juice and soy milk. That did the trick.
 
2013-07-21 09:56:34 AM
cause Flintstones
 
2013-07-21 09:56:50 AM

Deacon Blue: When your diet consists primarily of coconut-pineapple ice cream and Snickers bars, a multi-vitamin is probably a good ideal


Listen, if you're going to keep rooting around in my trash, I should warn you, I just got a cat.
 
2013-07-21 09:58:18 AM
This is BS. A daily intake of vitamin C is absolutely good for you. Just look at my ex girlfriends.
 
2013-07-21 10:00:21 AM
I don't know why I expected more than one or two posts in the article comments before an irate vitamin apologist made themselves known, whargarbl-ing about "scientist conspiracies" and how all the evidence provided by the article doesn't mean a damn because it doesn't involve the pro-vitamin "meta discussion".

And you're defending something I wasn't attacking, "scientists". I'm saying it's all BS. Studies of everything can be done, and a hypothesis made--wala, we have science. So don't deify it.
Science is overall a good thing, but some things can be assumed, can't they? Come out of the lab occasionally, and talk to people and you might get where I'm coming from.


/my brain...
 
2013-07-21 10:02:21 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: cause Flintstones


and
ecowatch.org
 
2013-07-21 10:07:09 AM
I only take vitamins every other day so the cancer never has a chance to grow and the vitamins are still good for me!
 
2013-07-21 10:07:09 AM
Sheldon: "You're buying ingredients for expensive urine."
 
2013-07-21 10:08:39 AM
So, as with most things in life, don't overdo it. Good read. I'm gonna have to send this down the familial pipeline to my dumbarsed "health" freak brother. The amount of capsules he takes would rival that of an HIV patient and he eats WAY more than he needs to so he is more than likely damaging himself.

Can't let him know the info came from me though because apparently everything I say is a lie... yanno, because it doesn't fit in with his extremely limited and uninformed worldview. Example: He didn't believe me when I told him illegal downloads were... ILLEGAL.
 
2013-07-21 10:09:56 AM
Well now that we've cleared that out, who wants to buy a $60 bottle of fruit juice that will cure your ails? If so, you can be in my downline!
 
2013-07-21 10:14:16 AM
I hate vitamin pills. I never take them.

BUT I'm supposed to get a vitamin B shot every month. I think I only do it because it feels like you're a liiiiiittle bit high.
 
2013-07-21 10:15:18 AM
I could write a paper on confirmation bias just from these comments alone.
 
2013-07-21 10:15:52 AM

See You Next Tuesday: traylor: This is BS. A daily intake of vitamin C is absolutely good for you. Just look at my ex girlfriends.

I will be glad to. Post some pics.


There would be a lot of NSFW content here If I posted pics of them taking their vitamin supplements. Use your imagination.
 
2013-07-21 10:17:06 AM

GungFu: I buy vitamins for the placebo effect.


I buy placebos for the vitamin effect.
 
2013-07-21 10:18:01 AM
AMonkey'sUncle:
Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

RTFA / learn to read / whatever.  Nothing like that was ever said in the article.
 
2013-07-21 10:20:57 AM
Here's what I got out of that very long article... vitamins may help you or they may not, they may kill you or they may not. Take them if you like but like everything in life don't take them to excess. Like everything else in the Snake Oil/Supplements aisle they are poorly regulated and YMMV.

As for Linus Pauling It seems he was a brilliant scientist until his late 60's then he became a bit batty. I'm thinking a brain disorder of some sort, he seemed to become fixated on one thing to the exclusion of all else even denying any science that didn't agree with him. Maybe a disease or a breakdown, a very small stroke. Maybe he just got old and cranky and wanted people to take a vitamin. Or maybe it was the only way to continue receiving his speaking fees.
 
2013-07-21 10:22:15 AM

PacificaFitz: I love how this article explains almost an entire century of evidence that vitamins are bad for you and yet people still defend them.  People still say "it's ok to take them when....".  It is an unregulated quack system set to make people extremely rich at the cost of peoples lives.  For the longest time smoking cigarettes was recommended to people as a stress reliever.

My parents are people that are convinced that they are making themselves healthy with whatever the vitamin of the week is.  Every time a new thing comes up they try to convince everyone that they NEED to take it, and when that vitamin is proven to be nothing more than a sugar pill or worse they move on to the next.  I'm a smoker and I look down on you pill popping ignorant fools.


This.

:)
 
2013-07-21 10:22:18 AM
Yet when a woman gives birth to a baby with defects, the first question howled by these very same people is "was she taking her goddamned vitamin?".
 
2013-07-21 10:22:22 AM

notmtwain: AMonkey'sUncle: A recent blood test showed I was deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D is more critical to bone mass than calcium.

Good to know I shouldn't supplement with Vitamin D.

When I need medical advice as an adult, I'll be sure to consult a pediatrician.

He says in the book on page 103, "Of 51,000 new supplements on the market, four might be of value for otherwise healthy people:  omega 3 fatty acids to prevent heart disease, calcium and vitamin D in post-menopausal women to prevent bone thinning..."

// Cheer up, Grandma and don't forget to take your calcium pills.

// And the fourth was "folic acid during pregnancy to prevent birth defects."


And yet, just recently there were several articles about how those supplements don't work...

What ever happened to just doing what you want and what makes you feel good?
I take a multivitamin, I take St Johns Wort (they work), I take Milk Thistle (blood tests have proven that works (for me at least)), and I take Kelp (blood tests have also proven that works for me).

Pay someone enough, they'll conduct studies and come to any conclusion you want them to.

/doctors also hate alternative medicines because they aren't able to be patented so they aren't profitable for the pharm. companies that line their pockets....big surprise.
 
2013-07-21 10:22:22 AM

megarian: I hate vitamin pills. I never take them.

BUT I'm supposed to get a vitamin B shot every month. I think I only do it because it feels like you're a liiiiiittle bit high.


Just drink a Spike energy drink.

33,333% B12!  The 350mg of caffeine will help you feel a little bit high too.
 
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