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2013-07-21 08:24:55 AM
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add this to this list. lulzy
 
2013-07-21 08:56:31 AM
The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.
 
2013-07-21 09:14:24 AM
10 things I didn't know the Gottdamn Batman what?
 
2013-07-21 09:16:33 AM

JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.


What a lovely, lovely post!
 
2013-07-21 09:17:10 AM

JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.


www.amptoons.com
 
2013-07-21 09:21:05 AM
One things subby knows fark:
Poor grammar in a headline may increase the odds that it will go green.
 
2013-07-21 09:25:26 AM

Robots are Strong: One things subby knows fark:
Poor grammar in a headline may increase the odds that it will go green.


and the article is dated 7-16-12, and then at the bottom... "This io9 Flashback originally ran February 2011."

f*ck you io9. how hard is it to generate crappy lists that are original? 'Cracked' does it daily.
 
2013-07-21 09:29:33 AM

calbert: 'Cracked' does it daily.


So you like 3 item lists that get two pages?
 
2013-07-21 09:35:30 AM

PizzaJedi81: calbert: 'Cracked' does it daily.

So you like 3 item lists that get two pages?


never said that.

just pointing out that Cracked doesn't have to re-run old 'lists' to generate page views.
 
2013-07-21 09:41:55 AM
Anyone remember when webpages garnered page clicks without resorting to redundant "Top/Best/Worst" lists?
 
2013-07-21 09:50:14 AM
 

styckx: Anyone remember when webpages garnered page clicks without resorting to redundant "Top/Best/Worst" lists?


If they'd put more gorillas on their pages they'd get more clicks.
 
2013-07-21 10:06:03 AM
It has been pointed out that this is a repeat from several years ago, but we've decided to let it run again for those of you who didn't see it the first time.
 
2013-07-21 10:21:28 AM

Moderator: It has been pointed out that this is a repeat from several years ago, but we've decided to let it run again for those of you who didn't see it the first time.


We know the score [Featured Partner] you don't have to pretend otherwise [Featured Partner].  Now we get to point and laugh at YOU as well as the shiat hole that is Gawker [Featured Partner].
 
2013-07-21 10:34:44 AM

Moderator: It has been pointed out that this is a repeat from several years ago, but we've decided to let it run again for those of you who didn't see it the first time.


Look, I'm dying here
 
2013-07-21 10:38:09 AM

Moderator: It has been pointed out that this is a repeat from several years ago, but we've decided to let it run again for those of you who didn't see it the first time.


Look, I didn't need some crappy old article to tell me that Batman sucks.
 
2013-07-21 10:48:41 AM
I didn't get to see it the first time, must have been drunk that day. Thanks.
 
2013-07-21 10:57:05 AM

Vaneshi: Moderator: It has been pointed out that this is a repeat from several years ago, but we've decided to let it run again for those of you who didn't see it the first time.

We know the score [Featured Partner] you don't have to pretend otherwise [Featured Partner].  Now we get to point and laugh at YOU as well as the shiat hole that is Gawker [Featured Partner].


This one time, on the Internet, I had to look at something TWICE!
 
2013-07-21 11:07:03 AM
10 things you most cosplayers at SDCCdidn't know about the Gottdamn Batman
 
2013-07-21 11:16:26 AM
" Batman and his friends throw tennis balls"
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
Baseballs. Bat-a-the-man would throw baseballs. Split-finger fastballs @ 97 mph.
Bruce Wayne? maybe a tennis ball.
 
2013-07-21 11:30:46 AM

JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.


Luckily all-star batman and robin made up for it.
 
2013-07-21 11:33:48 AM

bingo the psych-o: This one time, on the Internet, I had to look at something TWICE!


This one time, on the internet, I saw your mom banging a horse.
 
2013-07-21 11:43:45 AM

Fano: JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.

Luckily all-star batman and robin made up for it.


But as you've rightly pointed out in the past, Fano, DKR's most egregious sin was creating the myth that Batman can beat anyone and led us to this festering pit of masturbatory fan-wanking Batman modern mythos we find ourselves in.
 
2013-07-21 11:50:53 AM
Speaking of bad reviews for  The Dark Knight Returns, comix nerds, help me out with something. Is this good art? Is this what people who buy comic books and graphic novels are looking for?

Because I don't care if Robin is a girl, but this thing is only debatably human, to my eyes.

geek-news.mtv.com
 
2013-07-21 12:06:15 PM

semiotix: Speaking of bad reviews for  The Dark Knight Returns, comix nerds, help me out with something. Is this good art? Is this what people who buy comic books and graphic novels are looking for?

Because I don't care if Robin is a girl, but this thing is only debatably human, to my eyes.

[geek-news.mtv.com image 600x800]


That is my single biggest gripe about The Dark Knight Returns: the artwork.  It looks more "sunday morning funny pages" to me.  The sad thing is it came out at a time when there was substantially better artwork coming out.  Don't get me wrong the story is pretty damn good, but the artwork about loses it for me.
 
2013-07-21 12:08:51 PM
Missing from the list: He used to suck a lot of dicks.
 
2013-07-21 12:36:10 PM
10 things I don't care about the Gottdamn Batman?
 
2013-07-21 12:42:59 PM

semiotix: Speaking of bad reviews for  The Dark Knight Returns, comix nerds, help me out with something. Is this good art? Is this what people who buy comic books and graphic novels are looking for?

Because I don't care if Robin is a girl, but this thing is only debatably human, to my eyes.

[geek-news.mtv.com image 600x800]


It is passable art but far from good (on the other hand its no liefield or land), people can find good art all over, good stories on the other hand are tough to come by.
 
2013-07-21 12:43:13 PM

semiotix: Speaking of bad reviews for  The Dark Knight Returns, comix nerds, help me out with something. Is this good art? Is this what people who buy comic books and graphic novels are looking for?

Because I don't care if Robin is a girl, but this thing is only debatably human, to my eyes.

[geek-news.mtv.com image 600x800]


Attempt at a serious answer:

Art is in the eye of the Beholder.   Compare your post with the style used in some_beer_drinker's post above.

It is art, whether it is good or bad may be debatable  but as I recall it was considered very edgy and avant garde for the time.  Both in the telling of a more serious themed Batman story, and in a drawing style that was markedly different from standard DC fare - to imply (iirc) a somewhat dystopian future and a more degraded viewpoint of Bruce Wayne/Batman to how his crusade against crime had changed as he aged.

Collectors look for all sorts of things.  This would be considered "classic" Frank Miller in todays light.
And even at his worst,  most would agree FM is still light years ahead of other popular artists (cough, Liefeld, *cough*)
 
2013-07-21 01:15:25 PM

Moderator: It has been pointed out that this is a repeat from several years ago, but we've decided to let it run again for those of you who didn't see it the first time.


Superdickery?

/actually, it was fine and I didn't see the first time.
//completely dodged the "Batman likes boys in tights" angle, however.
 
2013-07-21 01:24:33 PM
Miller redefined and expanded what comic art could be.  His ability to create icon imagery using mostly silhouettes and shadows has still never been matched.  Miller's style exaggerates proportions (some times in the extreme) for effect.  He is more interested in the final image than any rules of drawing or continuity.  In that sense, yes, it is art.

www.animationmagazine.net
 
2013-07-21 01:37:10 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: Fano: JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.

Luckily all-star batman and robin made up for it.

But as you've rightly pointed out in the past, Fano, DKR's most egregious sin was creating the myth that Batman can beat anyone and led us to this festering pit of masturbatory fan-wanking Batman modern mythos we find ourselves in.


*snorts self awake off the sunday couch with graphic novel being used as sunshade* Yes, I do recall that. And to be specific, I'll toss in that there may have been consideration to Batman desperately pulling a Luke beats the Death Star before, or that Batman could or would win moral/pyrhhic/delaying victories against someone like Superman. Anything is possible in comics, especially on the home turf of your own comic and Squirrel Girl is beloved by all for being capable of beating world shattering entities as a cute joke. It was at the time of DKR the expectation that BATMAN ALWAYS WOULD was created.  And that shiat needs to stop. ASB&R deconstructs that level of wankery and for it, I salute.
 
2013-07-21 01:41:11 PM

PizzaJedi81: JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.

[www.amptoons.com image 500x745]


That one always makes me laugh. Carrie Kelley is a brilliant female character. Miller's take on Wonder Woman wasn't a hooker or a whore. Neither was Kara.

Miller writes Batman better than anyone, ever. No one comes close. Dark Knight came when he was at the top of his game. All Star was the most recent example of taking the character, flipping your expectations, and making him interesting and exciting again. Writers and artists alike could learn a LOT from him.
 
2013-07-21 01:44:06 PM

semiotix: Speaking of bad reviews for  The Dark Knight Returns, comix nerds, help me out with something. Is this good art? Is this what people who buy comic books and graphic novels are looking for?

Because I don't care if Robin is a girl, but this thing is only debatably human, to my eyes.

[geek-news.mtv.com image 600x800]


That image is brilliant example of Miller's ability to convey movement and fluidity in a single panel. It's the essence of Robin. Defying gravity, moving through the air, big smile, knees bent, ready to spring upon landing.
 
2013-07-21 01:44:19 PM
Can we all just admit that there's nothing geeky about super hero comic books? Every year we get several blockbuster movies based on mutants in spandex or vigilantes in spandex or criminal masterminds in spandex. When I was a kid wearing a Batman t-shirt meant you were either a geek or a proto goth, now it just means you shop at Walmart. Just put this shiat in the entertainment tab where it belongs.
 
2013-07-21 02:03:45 PM
What in the blue hell is a Gott?
 
2013-07-21 02:05:17 PM

Hebalo: PizzaJedi81: JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.

[www.amptoons.com image 500x745]

That one always makes me laugh. Carrie Kelley is a brilliant female character. Miller's take on Wonder Woman wasn't a hooker or a whore. Neither was Kara.


Miller's take on Wonder Woman was a man-hating biatch who needed a good deep dicking to straighten her out.  I'd almost rather she was a hooker or a whore.
 
2013-07-21 02:12:12 PM
I have several collectible comic books. Among them, in my safe, is Batman #1 from 1940.

/Not in this list obviously, which by the way, is a stupid list.
 
2013-07-21 02:19:33 PM

HeartBurnKid: Hebalo: PizzaJedi81: JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.

[www.amptoons.com image 500x745]

That one always makes me laugh. Carrie Kelley is a brilliant female character. Miller's take on Wonder Woman wasn't a hooker or a whore. Neither was Kara.

Miller's take on Wonder Woman was a man-hating biatch who needed a good deep dicking to straighten her out.  I'd almost rather she was a hooker or a whore.


That's an.....interesting opinion.
 
2013-07-21 02:32:59 PM

Hebalo: HeartBurnKid: Hebalo: PizzaJedi81: JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.

[www.amptoons.com image 500x745]

That one always makes me laugh. Carrie Kelley is a brilliant female character. Miller's take on Wonder Woman wasn't a hooker or a whore. Neither was Kara.

Miller's take on Wonder Woman was a man-hating biatch who needed a good deep dicking to straighten her out.  I'd almost rather she was a hooker or a whore.

That's an.....interesting opinion.


Is it wrong?  Is that not exactly how she was portrayed in All-Star Batman and Robin?
 
2013-07-21 02:53:43 PM
Isn't that the *Gottverdammt* Batman?
 
2013-07-21 02:57:55 PM
List fails without Batman pissing himself.
 
2013-07-21 03:12:55 PM

Cagey B: List fails without Batman pissing himself.


OK, that is awesome.
 
2013-07-21 03:24:01 PM
He likes beer?

img580.imageshack.us

/and apparently has a camel toe , I did not know that
 
2013-07-21 03:30:38 PM

JerseyTim: The Dark Knight Returns

Rises deserves those bad reviews. The writing is pretty bad. All the dialogue is horribly written.

FTFY

That movie sucked Bat-balls
 
2013-07-21 04:09:53 PM

Hebalo: Miller writes Batman better than anyone, ever.


Ya, no. While I'll credit him with ending the era of campy-Batman, just about every iteration post-Miller has been fantastic in comparison with the exception of Clooney/Kilmer.

Seriously. Miller's batman was nothing but fanfic vigilante wish fulfillment. The artwork is respectable and the mood and tone certainly fits the Batman mythos that came later. But the character itself under Miller was absolutely antithetical to interesting. Batman's character in its best rendition had the following properties:

1. Batman is logical and analytical -- Miller's Batman was not. Far too emotional and power-trippy. What a surprise, like Miller himself.
2. Batman is silent, stealthy and strikes fast -- Miller's Batman was not. Seriously, were it not for the bat costume, I could've sworn it was Captain America.
3. Batman is always walking the line between the law and chaos, his biggest emotional turmoil is suppressing his desires to go all-out and become a villain himself -- Miller's Batman starts mowing down cops who are just doing their farking job.
4. Batman's universe is complicated with a lot of moral ambiguity and shades of grey -- Miller's Batman was an exercise in armchair anarchist "the government's out to get us" masturbatory fantasy.
 
2013-07-21 05:44:05 PM

imgod2u: Hebalo: Miller writes Batman better than anyone, ever.

Ya, no. While I'll credit him with ending the era of campy-Batman, just about every iteration post-Miller has been fantastic in comparison with the exception of Clooney/Kilmer.

Seriously. Miller's batman was nothing but fanfic vigilante wish fulfillment. The artwork is respectable and the mood and tone certainly fits the Batman mythos that came later. But the character itself under Miller was absolutely antithetical to interesting. Batman's character in its best rendition had the following properties:

1. Batman is logical and analytical -- Miller's Batman was not. Far too emotional and power-trippy. What a surprise, like Miller himself.
2. Batman is silent, stealthy and strikes fast -- Miller's Batman was not. Seriously, were it not for the bat costume, I could've sworn it was Captain America.
3. Batman is always walking the line between the law and chaos, his biggest emotional turmoil is suppressing his desires to go all-out and become a villain himself -- Miller's Batman starts mowing down cops who are just doing their farking job.
4. Batman's universe is complicated with a lot of moral ambiguity and shades of grey -- Miller's Batman was an exercise in armchair anarchist "the government's out to get us" masturbatory fantasy.


Bleh, not even going to bother to point out how wrong and elementary your conclusions are, would take too long.
 
2013-07-21 06:13:49 PM

farbekrieg: semiotix: Speaking of bad reviews for  The Dark Knight Returns, comix nerds, help me out with something. Is this good art? Is this what people who buy comic books and graphic novels are looking for?

Because I don't care if Robin is a girl, but this thing is only debatably human, to my eyes.

[geek-news.mtv.com image 600x800]

It is passable art but far from good (on the other hand its no liefield or land), people can find good art all over, good stories on the other hand are tough to come by.


Yep, and that's really the reason why DC and Marvel are simply becoming marketing arms for the film franchises.  Companies have clamored for art so much that they have driven away most of the good writers.  Hell, take a look at the solicitations page for any of the comic companies.  They want artists and nothing but.  So, in the end, you end up with generically well drawn character #46 which LOOKS GREAT, but no one gives a shiat about him.  That's one reason why the new 52 is collapsing around DC.

I can't think of many well-written comics out there right now.

\yes, yes, people are saying Solo, but I'm just not digging it
 
2013-07-21 06:42:54 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: farbekrieg: semiotix: Speaking of bad reviews for  The Dark Knight Returns, comix nerds, help me out with something. Is this good art? Is this what people who buy comic books and graphic novels are looking for?

Because I don't care if Robin is a girl, but this thing is only debatably human, to my eyes.

[geek-news.mtv.com image 600x800]

It is passable art but far from good (on the other hand its no liefield or land), people can find good art all over, good stories on the other hand are tough to come by.

Yep, and that's really the reason why DC and Marvel are simply becoming marketing arms for the film franchises.  Companies have clamored for art so much that they have driven away most of the good writers.  Hell, take a look at the solicitations page for any of the comic companies.  They want artists and nothing but.  So, in the end, you end up with generically well drawn character #46 which LOOKS GREAT, but no one gives a shiat about him.  That's one reason why the new 52 is collapsing around DC.

I can't think of many well-written comics out there right now.

\yes, yes, people are saying Solo, but I'm just not digging it


I like Fatale and Rachel Rising
 
2013-07-21 08:56:42 PM
simondrax.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-21 09:35:22 PM

DaStompa: [simondrax.files.wordpress.com image 576x712]


Frank's thinking on that page:  "Ahh... fark it. I'm sick of filling all the details. Silhouettes will do."
 
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