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(Daily Herald)   Cook County, Illinois has approved a ban on all gun sales to anyone under the age of twenty-one   (dailyherald.com) divider line 661
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2013-07-20 06:02:49 PM
That'll fix them gangbangers who use stolen guns.

Morans
 
2013-07-20 06:08:25 PM
Good for them.

Maybe someday we'll be lucky to have a Supreme Court that will be able to understand that banning concealed or open carry entirely is also constitutional.
 
2013-07-20 06:11:35 PM
I predict the murder rate will plummet.......okay...maybe not so much...
 
2013-07-20 06:15:59 PM
is the subby implying that it is asinine that folks under the age will not be able to buy guns? or is it asinine to think this will solve anything?

not trying to troll, just trying to figure out where to direct my outrage
 
2013-07-20 06:21:03 PM

Cerebral Knievel: is the subby implying that it is asinine that folks under the age will not be able to buy guns? or is it asinine to think this will solve anything?

not trying to troll, just trying to figure out where to direct my outrage


I'm guessing both.  Gun nuts seem to believe that there should be no restrictions on firearm ownership and that any restrictions don't make us any safer.
 
2013-07-20 06:22:02 PM
Irresponsible, to say the least. Cook County can't afford to keep writing checks to gun rights groups. I hope this makes Cabela's close shop and move to a friendlier area that doesn't have a punitive gun tax on top of their outrageous sales tax.
 
2013-07-20 06:24:21 PM
y'all do realize there are other counties in Illinois...............
 
2013-07-20 06:24:28 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Cerebral Knievel: is the subby implying that it is asinine that folks under the age will not be able to buy guns? or is it asinine to think this will solve anything?

not trying to troll, just trying to figure out where to direct my outrage

I'm guessing both.  Gun nuts seem to believe that there should be no restrictions on firearm ownership and that any restrictions don't make us any safer.


Yup, take this guy for example:

acanuck: That'll fix them gangbangers who use stolen guns.

Morans


Laws don't protect us from people determined to break the law, so we might as well just not have any.

Derp.
 
2013-07-20 06:36:37 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.

Maybe someday we'll be lucky to have a Supreme Court that will be able to understand that banning concealed or open carry entirely is also constitutional.


If only they had taken your Constitutional Law class.. if only...
 
2013-07-20 06:39:17 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: TuteTibiImperes: Cerebral Knievel: is the subby implying that it is asinine that folks under the age will not be able to buy guns? or is it asinine to think this will solve anything?

not trying to troll, just trying to figure out where to direct my outrage

I'm guessing both.  Gun nuts seem to believe that there should be no restrictions on firearm ownership and that any restrictions don't make us any safer.

Yup, take this guy for example:

acanuck: That'll fix them gangbangers who use stolen guns.

Morans

Laws don't protect us from people determined to break the law, so we might as well just not have any.

Derp.


Ah.... the " What good are laws if the good people don't need them and the bad people don't obey them anyways?" argument...

got it.. still unsure of the asinine tag unless subby outs them self and explains intent... But I also understand the nature of trolling headlines. if subby meant to be ubiquitous about the thing in order to get people fussing, then... it is an effective headline.
 
2013-07-20 06:48:44 PM

Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.

Maybe someday we'll be lucky to have a Supreme Court that will be able to understand that banning concealed or open carry entirely is also constitutional.

If only they had taken your Constitutional Law class.. if only...


It says keep and bear arms, and it also has a little detail about being regulated.  If you can keep and bear your arms inside your home and in authorized hunting/target shooting areas i don't see anything unconstitutional about forbidding carrying them in a fireable condition elsewhere (so unloaded in a locked safe in your trunk would be OK to transport between your home and the shooting range/hunting area).
 
2013-07-20 06:49:45 PM
Should be 18, same with drinking. Either that or raise the voting age and enlistment age to 21 too. Same with gambling, smoking, prostituting, tanning, etc.

18 or 21. Pick one to be the age of adulthood.
 
2013-07-20 06:55:49 PM

violentsalvation: Should be 18, same with drinking. Either that or raise the voting age and enlistment age to 21 too. Same with gambling, smoking, prostituting, tanning, etc.

18 or 21. Pick one to be the age of adulthood.


If anything I'd support lowering the drinking age to 18.  That give you a couple years to learn to drive before you'll be tempted by some dumbass friends to drive drunk, and then another couple of years to learn how to hold your liquor before you can own a gun.
 
2013-07-20 07:03:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: If you can keep and bear your arms inside your home


Fail. "Keep" would be in the home, "bear" is carrying them.
 
2013-07-20 07:08:12 PM

Boojum2k: TuteTibiImperes: If you can keep and bear your arms inside your home

Fail. "Keep" would be in the home, "bear" is carrying them.


And you can carry it all you like on your own property, and inside of designated and licensed hunting areas and gun ranges.
 
2013-07-20 07:11:50 PM

TuteTibiImperes: And you can carry it all you like


End of line. You can misread and try to reword the 2nd amendment all you want, doesn't change it.
 
NFA
2013-07-20 07:29:49 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.

Maybe someday we'll be lucky to have a Supreme Court that will be able to understand that banning concealed or open carry entirely is also constitutional.


Hopefully before they do that they'll realize people like you, really don't have a right to free speech.
 
2013-07-20 07:36:12 PM

NFA: TuteTibiImperes: Good for them.

Maybe someday we'll be lucky to have a Supreme Court that will be able to understand that banning concealed or open carry entirely is also constitutional.

Hopefully before they do that they'll realize people like you, really don't have a right to free speech.


I have no qualms with the first as it is.  The evidence is pretty clear that countries with strict gun controls have much lower rates of gun violence, so I have no qualms with reinterpreting the second, or when there is eventually enough public support for it, amending it.
 
2013-07-20 07:40:47 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The evidence is pretty clear that countries with strict gun controls have much lower rates of gun violence


Unless you don't count our four most violent cities, which happen to have the highest levels of gun control, then we have less gun violence than countries with strict gun control.

It empirically doesn't work.
 
2013-07-20 07:43:08 PM

Boojum2k: Unless you don't count our four most violent cities, which happen to have the highest levels of gun control, then we have less gun violence than countries with strict gun control.


Try Canada.
 
2013-07-20 07:44:52 PM
 
2013-07-20 07:51:17 PM

Rev.K: Boojum2k: Unless you don't count our four most violent cities, which happen to have the highest levels of gun control, then we have less gun violence than countries with strict gun control.

Try Canada.


Has some gun control policies that are less than reasonable, but it's easier to get a firearm there than in Chicago. Well, legally that is.
 
2013-07-20 07:57:25 PM

Boojum2k: Has some gun control policies that are less than reasonable, but it's easier to get a firearm there than in Chicago. Well, legally that is.


Less than reasonable?

Sure, according to you.

I quite enjoy living in a country where toting a loaded gun down a city street is a crime.
 
2013-07-20 08:00:58 PM

Fark It: Irresponsible, to say the least. Cook County can't afford to keep writing checks to gun rights groups. I hope this makes Cabela's close shop and move to a friendlier area that doesn't have a punitive gun tax on top of their outrageous sales tax.


With several gun-friendly states nearby, you have finally identified why Chicago's efforts to reign in gun violence has not been effective.
 
2013-07-20 08:04:36 PM

Rev.K: Boojum2k: Has some gun control policies that are less than reasonable, but it's easier to get a firearm there than in Chicago. Well, legally that is.

Less than reasonable?

Sure, according to you.

I quite enjoy living in a country where toting a loaded gun down a city street is a crime.


Um, your violent crime rate is well over twice that of Alabama, a state with very generous concealed-carry permits. It's almost three times that of the overall United States, 951/100,000 people in Canada vs 386.3/100,000 people in the U.S.

Enjoy giving up that essential liberty in exchange for a false feeling of security.
 
2013-07-20 08:13:34 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It says keep and bear arms, and it also has a little detail about being regulated.


The Founders were pretty clear on the fact that firearms could and should be regulated--it was an extension of the militia principle by which the State could force you to bear arms in its defense. Returning to the days of the early Second Amendment would be the NRA's worst nightmare. Other than Blacks and Muslims being armed in public too, I suppose.
 
2013-07-20 08:16:20 PM

Somacandra: the NRA's worst nightmare. Other than Blacks and Muslims being armed in public too


http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/08/25/racism-the-nra-and-gun-owne rs /
 
2013-07-20 08:24:16 PM

Boojum2k: Rev.K: Boojum2k: Has some gun control policies that are less than reasonable, but it's easier to get a firearm there than in Chicago. Well, legally that is.

Less than reasonable?

Sure, according to you.

I quite enjoy living in a country where toting a loaded gun down a city street is a crime.

Um, your violent crime rate is well over twice that of Alabama, a state with very generous concealed-carry permits. It's almost three times that of the overall United States, 951/100,000 people in Canada vs 386.3/100,000 people in the U.S.

Enjoy giving up that essential liberty in exchange for a false feeling of security.


"Approximately 70 percent of the total murders in the U.S. are committed with firearms, versus about 30 percent in Canada."

You're dumber than a box of apples and oranges being compared.
 
2013-07-20 08:29:43 PM

Boojum2k: Um, your violent crime rate is well over twice that of Alabama, a state with very generous concealed-carry permits. It's almost three times that of the overall United States, 951/100,000 people in Canada vs 386.3/100,000 people in the U.S.

Enjoy giving up that essential liberty in exchange for a false feeling of security.


Um. No. Those stats are not accurate.
 
2013-07-20 08:34:12 PM

Rev.K: Boojum2k: Unless you don't count our four most violent cities, which happen to have the highest levels of gun control, then we have less gun violence than countries with strict gun control.

Try Canada.


And Mexico.
 
2013-07-20 08:42:10 PM

djkutch: "Approximately 70 percent of the total murders in the U.S. are committed with firearms, versus about 30 percent in Canada."


Dead people are so much happier when killed with a knife than with a gun, eh?
 
2013-07-20 08:43:00 PM

Rev.K: Boojum2k: Um, your violent crime rate is well over twice that of Alabama, a state with very generous concealed-carry permits. It's almost three times that of the overall United States, 951/100,000 people in Canada vs 386.3/100,000 people in the U.S.

Enjoy giving up that essential liberty in exchange for a false feeling of security.

Um. No. Those stats are not accurate.


Well, says the Canadian government. Good thing governments never lie.
 
2013-07-20 08:43:12 PM

violentsalvation: Rev.K: Boojum2k: Unless you don't count our four most violent cities, which happen to have the highest levels of gun control, then we have less gun violence than countries with strict gun control.

Try Canada.

And Mexico.


Really? Which country is the participate of our War on Drugs?

Hold your peener which is your weapon or gun, or whatever.
 
2013-07-20 08:43:17 PM

Rev.K: Interesting. NSFW language.


Thanks for that, it's spot on.

clancifer: Fark It: Irresponsible, to say the least. Cook County can't afford to keep writing checks to gun rights groups. I hope this makes Cabela's close shop and move to a friendlier area that doesn't have a punitive gun tax on top of their outrageous sales tax.

With several gun-friendly states nearby, you have finally identified why Chicago's efforts to reign in gun violence has not been effective.


Exactly.  People trot out the gun crime in Chicago as evidence that gun control doesn't work, but when you can just bring guns across the border from less controlled areas easily, you can't blame Chicago's policies.

That does mean that Chicago is going to have strict controls without seeing the benefits from the results, but the revolution in thinking about guns in this country has to start somewhere.  When restrictions expand further out the gun crime rates should drop.  We'll eventually need nationwide restrictions, and there will still likely be higher gun crime rates than in other countries just due to the residual guns floating around, but in time they'll be rounded up and put in storage or destroyed and things will get better.
 
2013-07-20 08:45:44 PM

TuteTibiImperes: People trot out the gun crime in Chicago as evidence that gun control doesn't work, but when you can just bring guns across the border from less controlled areas easily, you can't blame Chicago's policies.


Why do those "less controlled areas" have less gun crime then?
 
2013-07-20 08:47:35 PM

Boojum2k: TuteTibiImperes: People trot out the gun crime in Chicago as evidence that gun control doesn't work, but when you can just bring guns across the border from less controlled areas easily, you can't blame Chicago's policies.

Why do those "less controlled areas" have less gun crime then?


Less people in a concentrated area, less poverty, less gang culture, there could be plenty of reasons.
 
2013-07-20 08:49:27 PM

Boojum2k: djkutch: "Approximately 70 percent of the total murders in the U.S. are committed with firearms, versus about 30 percent in Canada."

Dead people are so much happier when killed with a knife than with a gun, eh?


I would imagine not. But, it's a much lower percentage, eh?
 
2013-07-20 08:50:13 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Less people in a concentrated area, less poverty, less gang culture, there could be plenty of reasons.


So the Chicago gun control laws don't actually make a positive difference at all.
 
2013-07-20 08:51:13 PM

Boojum2k: Rev.K: Boojum2k: Um, your violent crime rate is well over twice that of Alabama, a state with very generous concealed-carry permits. It's almost three times that of the overall United States, 951/100,000 people in Canada vs 386.3/100,000 people in the U.S.

Enjoy giving up that essential liberty in exchange for a false feeling of security.

Um. No. Those stats are not accurate.

Well, says the Canadian government. Good thing governments never lie.


I'm out, You are a complete waste of time.
 
2013-07-20 08:52:14 PM

djkutch: But, it's a much lower percentage, eh?


Cold comfort for the dead.
 
2013-07-20 08:53:11 PM

djkutch: I'm out


Bye! *waves*
 
2013-07-20 09:02:32 PM

djkutch: violentsalvation: Rev.K: Boojum2k: Unless you don't count our four most violent cities, which happen to have the highest levels of gun control, then we have less gun violence than countries with strict gun control.

Try Canada.

And Mexico.

Really? Which country is the participate of our War on Drugs?

Hold your peener which is your weapon or gun, or whatever.


Wait you mean there are other issues going on in these three countries, and gun violence rates should not be blamed on the presence of guns alone? Cool.
 
2013-07-20 09:05:12 PM

Boojum2k: TuteTibiImperes: Less people in a concentrated area, less poverty, less gang culture, there could be plenty of reasons.

So the Chicago gun control laws don't actually make a positive difference at all.


Things might be even worse without them.

Still, it'll be hard to get an idea of the effect until firearms can be prevented from being brought in illegally.
 
2013-07-20 09:14:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: until firearms can be prevented from being brought in illegally


giggle. . . giggle. . .snort. . .oh. . .  oh my god. . .  *gasp*  must.. . .  breathe. .


Look, BooBoo, the United Kingdom can't stop guns from being smuggled in, and their on an island, and all the nearest countries have strict gun control laws too.

It will only happen in the wildest imaginations of the biggest state-sucking fascists. Never in real life.
 
2013-07-20 09:14:55 PM

Boojum2k: their


they're. . .
 
2013-07-20 09:23:12 PM

Somacandra: TuteTibiImperes: It says keep and bear arms, and it also has a little detail about being regulated.

The Founders were pretty clear on the fact that firearms could and should be regulated--it was an extension of the militia principle by which the State could force you to bear arms in its defense. Returning to the days of the early Second Amendment would be the NRA's worst nightmare. Other than Blacks and Muslims being armed in public too, I suppose.


"Well regulated" means "in working order". Meaning that a citizenry that is armed, trained, and competent in firearms is necessary to the well being of a free state. Just because the word doesn't mean what it used to mean doesn't mean what was agreed upon has changed.

TuteTibiImperes: Exactly. People trot out the gun crime in Chicago as evidence that gun control doesn't work, but when you can just bring guns across the border from less controlled areas easily, you can't blame Chicago's policies.


Man, those other places around Chicago must be hellholes with their uncontrolled firearms.
 
2013-07-20 09:44:57 PM
Having the old Soviet Army invade Crook County would actually be an act of liberation.
 
2013-07-20 09:47:05 PM
Good.  One should not be able to legally carry without being legally drunk.
 
2013-07-20 09:50:42 PM
next thing you know they won't let anyone with an an IQ less than 80 own guns. sales might drop to record lows
 
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2013-07-20 09:51:10 PM

djkutch: Boojum2k: Rev.K: Boojum2k: Um, your violent crime rate is well over twice that of Alabama, a state with very generous concealed-carry permits. It's almost three times that of the overall United States, 951/100,000 people in Canada vs 386.3/100,000 people in the U.S.

Enjoy giving up that essential liberty in exchange for a false feeling of security.

Um. No. Those stats are not accurate.

Well, says the Canadian government. Good thing governments never lie.

I'm out, You are a complete waste of time.

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