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(Independent)   From the better late then never ministry, Alan Turing to be pardoned   (independent.co.uk) divider line 88
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2013-07-20 08:26:30 PM  
Hey dumbasses, pardoning Turing is a GOOD THING!

/Can never please these hysterical jackasses
 
2013-07-20 08:27:25 PM  

thunderbird8804: Hey dumbasses, pardoning Turing is a GOOD THING!

/Can never please these hysterical jackasses


Why is it good? I'm willing to listen. Please explain.
 
2013-07-20 08:36:35 PM  

epoch_destroi: thunderbird8804: Hey dumbasses, pardoning Turing is a GOOD THING!

/Can never please these hysterical jackasses

Why is it good? I'm willing to listen. Please explain.


Pppppppppffftt!
 
2013-07-20 08:52:55 PM  

gnosis301: epoch_destroi: thunderbird8804: Hey dumbasses, pardoning Turing is a GOOD THING!

/Can never please these hysterical jackasses

Why is it good? I'm willing to listen. Please explain.

Pppppppppffftt!


...well, okay. I'm really disappointed. I'm trying to be fair to all viewpoints here.
 
2013-07-20 09:00:48 PM  

epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

You're right.... enshrine the law in the Awesome Law Place Of The Most Awesome Laws!

I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.


Hey, I completely agree that laws targeting sexual orientation are utter shiat and shouldn't exist.  Yes, I agree that it'd be more than just nice to get a full apology from the gov't.

But I hope you're not suggesting that the act of pardoning be completely eliminated? It's still a useful tool for when the legal *system* fails to yield a fair/just/correct result (presuming the underlying law itself remains sound).
 
2013-07-20 09:13:50 PM  

gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

You're right.... enshrine the law in the Awesome Law Place Of The Most Awesome Laws!

I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.

Hey, I completely agree that laws targeting sexual orientation are utter shiat and shouldn't exist.  Yes, I agree that it'd be more than just nice to get a full apology from the gov't.

But I hope you're not suggesting that the act of pardoning be completely eliminated? It's still a useful tool for when the legal *system* fails to yield a fair/just/correct result (presuming the underlying law itself remains sound).


Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.
 
2013-07-20 09:18:00 PM  
 www.wnyc.org
 
2013-07-20 09:19:30 PM  
epoch_destroi:

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.


If a law is unjust, there is no reason to follow it (if you're prepared to face to face the consequences).
 
2013-07-20 09:22:16 PM  

simplicimus: epoch_destroi:

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.

If a law is unjust, there is no reason to follow it (if you're prepared to face to face the consequences).


I agree wholeheartedly.
 
2013-07-20 09:24:38 PM  
Lord Sharkey   best name for  nobleman ever,
 
2013-07-20 09:24:41 PM  

epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

You're right.... enshrine the law in the Awesome Law Place Of The Most Awesome Laws!

I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.

Hey, I completely agree that laws targeting sexual orientation are utter shiat and shouldn't exist.  Yes, I agree that it'd be more than just nice to get a full apology from the gov't.

But I hope you're not suggesting that the act of pardoning be completely eliminated? It's still a useful tool for when the legal *system* fails to yield a fair/just/correct result (presuming the underlying law itself remains sound).

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.


I think we're expressing similar notions; ideally the state/nation would officially apologize to everyone that was ever charged/convicted, and yes of course those that were convicted broke the law.

Official national apologies for old laws are few and far between, though.  Don't hold your breath.
 
2013-07-20 09:25:53 PM  
THAN
 
2013-07-20 09:27:18 PM  

gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

You're right.... enshrine the law in the Awesome Law Place Of The Most Awesome Laws!

I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.

Hey, I completely agree that laws targeting sexual orientation are utter shiat and shouldn't exist.  Yes, I agree that it'd be more than just nice to get a full apology from the gov't.

But I hope you're not suggesting that the act of pardoning be completely eliminated? It's still a useful tool for when the legal *system* fails to yield a fair/just/correct result (presuming the underlying law itself remains sound).

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.

I think we're expressing similar notions; ideally the state/nation would officially apologize to everyone that was ever charged/convicted, and yes of course those that were convicted broke the law.

Official national apologies for old laws are few and far between, though.  Don't hold your breath.


Agreed. :) thank you for being so civil as we hashed this out. it's been a good conversation.
 
2013-07-20 09:31:56 PM  
It is kinda confusing.  If you get thousands of men killed needlessly, and fark some tarted up seacow, you get an earldom; if you get thousands of men needlessly not-killed, and then fark one of them, you get death.  Ahh, Britain.
 
2013-07-20 09:32:51 PM  
From the how many years ago?

/Deserves no pardon for inventing skynet
 
2013-07-20 09:35:14 PM  

epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.


He was openly gay, during the 30s and through most of the 40s no one gave a damn. Then one day, for God knows what reason, they decided to care.
 
2013-07-20 09:48:07 PM  
Kind of queer after all this time.
 
2013-07-20 09:54:21 PM  

WhyteRaven74: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

He was openly gay, during the 30s and through most of the 40s no one gave a damn. Then one day, for God knows what reason, they decided to care.


That's kind of how it goes with shiatty pointless laws.
 
2013-07-20 09:54:34 PM  

epoch_destroi: thunderbird8804: Hey dumbasses, pardoning Turing is a GOOD THING!

/Can never please these hysterical jackasses

Why is it good? I'm willing to listen. Please explain.


You never admit you farked up? You must be a joy to be around.

/not to mention it sends a positive message to the young brilliant gay kids
 
2013-07-20 10:03:07 PM  
Better late than never I guess

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-20 10:03:28 PM  

gingerjet: epoch_destroi: thunderbird8804: Hey dumbasses, pardoning Turing is a GOOD THING!

/Can never please these hysterical jackasses

Why is it good? I'm willing to listen. Please explain.

You never admit you farked up? You must be a joy to be around.

/not to mention it sends a positive message to the young brilliant gay kids


No, I think it's more important to dismantle farked up laws and do things for lgbt people here and now rather than dismissing somebody for actually breaking a law that existed.
 
2013-07-20 10:03:54 PM  

RexTalionis: The man practically single-handedly broke the Nazi's encryption for the Brits and the Brits betrayed him after the war. I don't think a mere apology goes far enough.


He was no longer useful or needed and had to be put out of play. Realpolitik sucks.
 
2013-07-20 10:05:52 PM  

Apik0r0s: RexTalionis: The man practically single-handedly broke the Nazi's encryption for the Brits and the Brits betrayed him after the war. I don't think a mere apology goes far enough.

He was no longer useful or needed and had to be put out of play. Realpolitik sucks.


THIS.
 
2013-07-20 10:14:03 PM  

Radak: Jon iz teh kewl: how can you "be" a homosexual.  that's like saying someone can "be" a pedophile.  when we're just human

How you can "be" a human?  When we're just mammals.


So let's do it like they do
On the discovery channel
 
2013-07-20 10:19:01 PM  

grimlock1972: Lord Sharkey   best name for  nobleman ever,


I bet he rolled up some awesome stats when he created the character.
 
2013-07-20 10:19:01 PM  
I never understood those prosecutions, when half the aristos in Britain were boinking each other in boarding school...
 
2013-07-20 10:25:54 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: grimlock1972: Lord Sharkey   best name for  nobleman ever,

I bet he rolled up some awesome stats when he created the character.


"I get an automatic ten points in biting."
 
2013-07-20 10:56:05 PM  

epoch_destroi: Agreed. :) thank you for being so civil as we hashed this out. it's been a good conversation.


I'm really kind of an asshole.

( ._.)
 
2013-07-20 11:10:03 PM  

gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Agreed. :) thank you for being so civil as we hashed this out. it's been a good conversation.

I'm really kind of an asshole.

( ._.)


Aren't we all?
 
2013-07-21 02:51:43 AM  

epoch_destroi: I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.


The future always wins arguments with the past.
 
2013-07-21 08:14:55 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: quatchi: Nice gesture is nice albeit long overdue.

And what about all the other good folks in Britain over the centuries that were convicted and/or killed for being gay?  Not that Parliament should pay reparations or anything, but an apology would be nice.   You know, for firing, beating, raping and/or killing us over the years.  Also, a promise to STOP TREATING US LIKE shiat would be good.

Just sayin'.


If you aren't rich and aren't famous - you aren't important.  And even then, it's probably not enough.

For everyone else, try to avoid being anything other than straight, white, 30-40, upper-middle class, pay your taxes, and hope you don't have the SWAT team break down your door at 2am and shoot your family.....or that the government doesn't decide it wants your land (and forcefully takes it).
 
2013-07-21 11:18:38 AM  

johnnieconnie: Get in line behind Oscar Wilde.


He'd like that.
 
2013-07-21 12:22:32 PM  
He's a witch.
 
2013-07-21 04:43:32 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: quatchi: Nice gesture is nice albeit long overdue.

And what about all the other good folks in Britain over the centuries that were convicted and/or killed for being gay?  Not that Parliament should pay reparations or anything, but an apology would be nice.   You know, for firing, beating, raping and/or killing us over the years.  Also, a promise to STOP TREATING US LIKE shiat would be good.

Just sayin'.


and if the ancestors of slaves are owed reparations, why not those murdered for being gay?
 
2013-07-21 04:50:18 PM  

FrancoFile: I never understood those prosecutions, when half the aristos in Britain were boinking each other in boarding school...



Blue Bloods do love to F*ck.   they have alot of free time and money, so i guess F*cking is the last best thing to do when you're bored.  that and drugs.
 
2013-07-21 05:31:27 PM  

doofusgumby: On the discovery channel


*Puts on Nazi uniform* Ok... if you're sure.

Ohh Discovery I always get those two mixed up.
 
rka
2013-07-21 06:09:44 PM  
Uh, when the guy committed suicide in response to that conviction and subsequent treatment I would disagree with "better late than never".

It's entirely too late. This should be a shameful apology full stop. Not some sort of platform for the UK government to show how progressive they've become since they hounded a man to death.
 
2013-07-21 09:00:49 PM  
The right apology is for all major parties to never attempt to impose individual morality on others, and never to oppress minorities of any kind.

The gay marriage bill that just passed is a better apology than any words.
 
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