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(Herald Tribune (SW Florida))   Remember those warrantless door to door searches everyone was okay with in Boston because it was a unique circumstance and other police agencies would never try it? Welcome to the new America   (heraldtribune.com) divider line 48
    More: Asinine, Louise Goldsberry, United States Marshals Service, police raid, home invasions  
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2013-07-20 04:15:17 PM
11 votes:
Listen, people. All I'm saying is that Reggatta de Blanc is a damn fine album.

And yeah, the Police aren't your friends, but I think that's just Sting and his ego. Andy Summers seems like a nice enough guy.
2013-07-20 05:22:30 PM
8 votes:
I'm just posting in here before I get called out.
2013-07-20 06:04:37 PM
6 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I don't see a police over-reach in this. If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger. Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon. She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.


Absolutely this.  What if she was a siren?  Her carelessness could have seduced the cops and then the streets would have fewer cops and then the Greek gods would come marching right the fark down.  And believe me, you don't want to live in America which is controlled by crazy theocrats.  Get Ares in charge and this country will just start going to war with everyone.  Oh wait, Taxbongo already did this.  Thanks, Taxbongo.
2013-07-20 06:20:53 PM
5 votes:

tricycleracer: But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door.

That's some fine police work there.


anyone who runs is a criminal.  Anyone who stands still is a well disciplined criminal.
2013-07-20 05:20:36 PM
5 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: I don't see a police over-reach in this.


then go back to sleep.  you won't understand the rest of this conversation anyway.
2013-07-20 04:59:45 PM
3 votes:

Weaver95: I have friends of mine who believe themselves to be fierce conservatives


I have friends who believe themselves to be rockstars... one who believes himself to be a race car driver... and one who believes herself to be a professional poker player.

Doesn't mean that they are. Just means that we both have stupid friends.
2013-07-20 04:22:05 PM
3 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: Shostie: LordOfThePings: Igor Jakovsky: MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

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Wonderplanet

Breadglobe!

I thought it was Bread slices iPhone wallpaper.


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2013-07-20 04:15:17 PM
3 votes:

Igor Jakovsky: MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

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Wonderplanet
2013-07-20 03:23:43 PM
3 votes:

NeoAnderthal: Busting in without a warrant? Sounds like a cop going rogue and a lawsuit to me.


Really?  Sounds like a bunch of cops exercising their machismo and power-high on a Very Important Mission, and and teaching some insufficiently servile biatch a lesson to me.  Damn, they did everything but gang-rape her to prove their power.

Remember friends - Police are not nice.  Never, ever trust them, and never, ever call them unless you have absolutely no alternative.  They are as likely to shoot you as they are to shoot the bad guy.  They are even somewhat likely to think you ARE the bad guy, if you don't cower in awe before them.
2013-07-20 08:54:04 PM
2 votes:

Bravo Two: Mr Rogers is aroused: Befuddled: FTA: But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"I feel bad for her," [wannabe Stasi agent] Wiggins conceded, finally. "But at the same time, I had to reasonably believe the bad guy was in her house based on what they were doing."

Bullshiat. If I don't get up to answer the door every time somebody knocks, then I'm a criminal? I wouldn't believe that it's the cops at first as well, I would think it's someone who's up to no good trying to trick me into opening the door.

If this is a typical apartment, then there's one door in and out. If they think there's a wanted person inside, then they can wait the person out. There's no potential of evidence being destroyed to warrant their actions.

/more and more it feels like the cops are the enemy

Do you know how I can tell you aren't black?

He's just now coming to this conclusion?


now... now.... don't make fun of the slow kids.
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2013-07-20 08:05:23 PM
2 votes:
One troll. One thread. One victory.
i18.photobucket.com
2013-07-20 06:53:22 PM
2 votes:
Apologist TuteTibiImperes commenting on a rape, "She was dressed like a whore."
2013-07-20 06:19:26 PM
2 votes:

you are a puppet: If you're really outraged about this you should kill the police officer they named in the article. Otherwise it's just a bunch of complaining that won't lead to anything.


I haven't even killed ZImmerman yet!
2013-07-20 05:33:03 PM
2 votes:
Do they have a lower success rate of catching child rapists in the UK, where the cops don't go around pointing their hand-penises at everyone? Somehow I suspect they do ok.
2013-07-20 04:34:41 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.


But at least we'll all be armed to the teeth, so that should play out smoothly.
2013-07-20 03:16:37 PM
2 votes:
I like how the cop thinks that since he didn't shoot her she shouldn't be going to the press

/Christ what an asshole
2013-07-21 09:23:19 AM
1 votes:

ARagingRebel: If someone screaming warrants breaking and entering, better not do legal things like, loud orgasmic sex, watch scary movies, see a spider, prank your friends..etc


Read the politics tab...
2013-07-21 04:16:09 AM
1 votes:

Boojum2k: cgremlin: hardinparamedic: If you have a HCP, you are only required to inform the officer that you have a carry permit, and if you are armed or not.

In some states, not all (mine is among those that don't require it).  Having said that, use your best judgment, taking the situation into account.  The professional conversation you're having with an officer can change *very* quickly if your shirt tail blows up and he sees the concealed Glock you're (legally) carrying.

I got to reverse that years ago. Two cops coming onto my Air Force base while I was working the gate, going to visit OSI, both plainclothes. I asked if they were carrying, and they, with a surprised expression, said they were. End result, OSI had to come out to escort them, and their sidearms stayed snugly in a lockbox. No, Mr. Policeman, on a military base under high security, you are a civilian and you do not get to carry.


Whoa - a cop treated as a lowly civilian?!  I wish I could have seen that....must have been a long time ago.
2013-07-21 02:08:50 AM
1 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Fark has a metropolis of village idiots!


The collective noun for a group of village idiots is a "tea party"
2013-07-20 11:05:15 PM
1 votes:
I'm shocked that fark has a problem with this considering most of fark is lib idiots.
2013-07-20 08:00:36 PM
1 votes:

fnordfocus: TuteTibiImperes: The article states that she was never arrested, and while it doesn't explicitly state that he wasn't, it say that they just handcuffed him for half an hour while they searched then released him, I'm assume that he was just detained as well and not arrested.

That's enough to show up in a background check, so you're pretty much farked when it comes to getting a job.


Lying once again?

Of course you are.
2013-07-20 07:57:36 PM
1 votes:

See You Next Tuesday: ThatDarkFellow: If Obama had a pack of thugs destroying civil liberty they would look like these gentleman

If Fark had a village idiot he would type something about Obama out of the clear blue.


So you hold Obama completely unaccountable for the continued police over reach in our nation?

Son, you need Jesus.
2013-07-20 07:42:18 PM
1 votes:
Good thing the bad guys aren't allowed to say, "Open up, I'm the police".
2013-07-20 07:19:06 PM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: Officer Wiggins will make a fine police chief.


Bake him away, toys!
2013-07-20 07:15:57 PM
1 votes:
Officer Wiggins will make a fine police chief.
2013-07-20 07:05:48 PM
1 votes:
Remember, aim for the head, they are wearing body armor.
2013-07-20 06:52:00 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:

1. Lady sees a guy in a hunting vest pointing a gun at her while she's washing dishes (I'm assuming she saw him through a window as mysterious hunting-vest-dude apparently disappears from the rest of the story, perhaps it was one of the officers)

2. Lady starts screaming (understandably) and crawls across the floor to get her gun

3. There's a banging on the door and someone identifying themselves as a police officer requests entry (which is understandable considering he just heard screaming coming from inside the apartment)

4. After the door doesn't open, the police force it open, again, which is understandable - warrants aren't needed for exigent circumstances, and he just heard a lady screaming and is apparently aware that there's reported fugitive, possibly armed, in the area

5.  Because he's concerned for her safety and there is a possible armed fugitive, he comes in fully armed, and rightfully tells her to put down her weapon.

6.  The boyfriend asks to come out, he's let out, and immediately handcuffed, appropriately, as the police don't know who he is, if this is a domestic dispute, if he's the fugitive, etc, better safe than sorry - restrain him and then figure out what's going on

7.  The lady is screaming things that aren't related to the situation (being an American citizen does not give you the right to hold a gun on a police officer or to disobey their orders in that type of situation) but is finally calmed down by the boyfriend after he sees the other police outside.

8. Lady puts her gun down, the house is searched (there was a confrontation inside the home, screaming coming from it, it seems reasonable to me)

9. The situation is explained to the lady and her boyfriend, and they're let go

I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a b ...


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2013-07-20 06:40:56 PM
1 votes:
Raylan Givens would have sweet talked her out.
2013-07-20 06:33:53 PM
1 votes:

Mike_LowELL: See You Next Tuesday: If Fark had a village idiot he would type something about Obama out of the clear blue.

You realize Taxbongo was the commanding S.W.A.T. officer, right?  Or at least one of his clones.  The cloning technology has gotten very good, so it's very hard to tell.


oh yeah, S.W.A.T. That reminds me..Colin Ferrell. Someone could wait outside this cop's house, he comes out, you shoot him in the head and say "Bullseye!"
2013-07-20 06:31:41 PM
1 votes:

See You Next Tuesday: If Fark had a village idiot he would type something about Obama out of the clear blue.


You realize Taxbongo was the commanding S.W.A.T. officer, right?  Or at least one of his clones.  The cloning technology has gotten very good, so it's very hard to tell.
2013-07-20 06:23:18 PM
1 votes:

Hector Remarkable: you are a puppet: If you're really outraged about this you should kill the police officer they named in the article. Otherwise it's just a bunch of complaining that won't lead to anything.

I haven't even killed ZImmerman yet!


Just saying, if someone started killing all the police involved in these raids it would be really cool, especially if you released little videos after each kill like Mandarin in Iron man 3, or maybe you could give a big speech like Bane (in Banes voice). Maybe I'm just excited with Comicon going on, it's got me in a mood. Got my facial hair looking like Wolverine right now. Couldn't get the hair on my head right though...too curly
2013-07-20 06:22:30 PM
1 votes:

phenn: TuteTibiImperes: She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.

THEY are lucky THEY didn't get shot. Her home, bro. Her farking home.


Yup, she's just standing her ground under what she reasonably believes to be armed thugs trying to break in.

/hey, she wasn't far off
//unlike Officer Gunboner
2013-07-20 06:21:48 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Pray 4 Mojo: TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.

Here is the problem with that (assuming this is a reasonably accurate description of that the Marshal actually said):

But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"Open up. It's the police" does not give officers free reign to do whatever the fark they want.

Screaming heard from inside the apartment, no one answers when the police identify themselves, to me that's a legitimate reason to open the door to check on the safety of those inside.


The police may not create the exigent circumstances, even if they are unknowingly acting in coordination. (Who is to say the weren't doing so knowingly?)

I believe this was recently decided at at least the federal appeals level if not at the Supreme Court. (But since I'm using my phone I'm going to be a poor poster and not provide a citation)

IMHO this guy is lucky to be going home alive. The paramilitant mindset of the police is not only dangerous for us but is also dangerous for them. Sooner or later one of these guys is going to break down the wrong door and be on the losing end of a rifle wielded under a Castle or Stand Your Ground law.
2013-07-20 06:11:18 PM
1 votes:
People were okay with the Boston thing? I thought they were just trying to troll.
2013-07-20 06:07:12 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:

1. Lady sees a guy in a hunting vest pointing a gun at her while she's washing dishes (I'm assuming she saw him through a window as mysterious hunting-vest-dude apparently disappears from the rest of the story, perhaps it was one of the officers)

2. Lady starts screaming (understandably) and crawls across the floor to get her gun

3. There's a banging on the door and someone identifying themselves as a police officer requests entry (which is understandable considering he just heard screaming coming from inside the apartment)

4. After the door doesn't open, the police force it open, again, which is understandable - warrants aren't needed for exigent circumstances, and he just heard a lady screaming and is apparently aware that there's reported fugitive, possibly armed, in the area

5.  Because he's concerned for her safety and there is a possible armed fugitive, he comes in fully armed, and rightfully tells her to put down her weapon.

6.  The boyfriend asks to come out, he's let out, and immediately handcuffed, appropriately, as the police don't know who he is, if this is a domestic dispute, if he's the fugitive, etc, better safe than sorry - restrain him and then figure out what's going on

7.  The lady is screaming things that aren't related to the situation (being an American citizen does not give you the right to hold a gun on a police officer or to disobey their orders in that type of situation) but is finally calmed down by the boyfriend after he sees the other police outside.

8. Lady puts her gun down, the house is searched (there was a confrontation inside the home, screaming coming from it, it seems reasonable to me)

9. The situation is explained to the lady and her boyfriend, and they're let go

I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a b ...


...Magnificent!
2013-07-20 05:30:23 PM
1 votes:
Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.
2013-07-20 05:17:05 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.


i660.photobucket.com
2013-07-20 05:09:29 PM
1 votes:

cman: Well, being scared of an external threat is better than fighting amongst ourselves I suppose


Adrian Veidt certainly thought so.
2013-07-20 05:08:53 PM
1 votes:
If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:

1. Lady sees a guy in a hunting vest pointing a gun at her while she's washing dishes (I'm assuming she saw him through a window as mysterious hunting-vest-dude apparently disappears from the rest of the story, perhaps it was one of the officers)

2. Lady starts screaming (understandably) and crawls across the floor to get her gun

3. There's a banging on the door and someone identifying themselves as a police officer requests entry (which is understandable considering he just heard screaming coming from inside the apartment)

4. After the door doesn't open, the police force it open, again, which is understandable - warrants aren't needed for exigent circumstances, and he just heard a lady screaming and is apparently aware that there's reported fugitive, possibly armed, in the area

5.  Because he's concerned for her safety and there is a possible armed fugitive, he comes in fully armed, and rightfully tells her to put down her weapon.

6.  The boyfriend asks to come out, he's let out, and immediately handcuffed, appropriately, as the police don't know who he is, if this is a domestic dispute, if he's the fugitive, etc, better safe than sorry - restrain him and then figure out what's going on

7.  The lady is screaming things that aren't related to the situation (being an American citizen does not give you the right to hold a gun on a police officer or to disobey their orders in that type of situation) but is finally calmed down by the boyfriend after he sees the other police outside.

8. Lady puts her gun down, the house is searched (there was a confrontation inside the home, screaming coming from it, it seems reasonable to me)

9. The situation is explained to the lady and her boyfriend, and they're let go

I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon.  She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.
2013-07-20 05:03:02 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: I have friends of mine who believe themselves to be fierce conservatives and believe that government should be extremely limited....and yet they blindly support the war on drugs and the war on terror, believing that the bill of rights is an impediment and that we can trust law enforcement not to abuse it's authority over us.  I personally don't understand their mindset but there you go.


This is my entire extended family, and they wonder why I don't visit.  When I tell them, as an ex-cop, that the balance of power is out of control they say it is because I am just a liberal Northerner.

God this country is full of idiots, and I am related to most of them apparently.
2013-07-20 04:43:56 PM
1 votes:

thamike: shanrick: Weaver95: I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.

words of wisdom.

Meta-paranoia is the best kind of paranoia.


I have friends of mine who believe themselves to be fierce conservatives and believe that government should be extremely limited....and yet they blindly support the war on drugs and the war on terror, believing that the bill of rights is an impediment and that we can trust law enforcement not to abuse it's authority over us.  I personally don't understand their mindset but there you go.
2013-07-20 04:38:14 PM
1 votes:

shanrick: Weaver95: I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.

words of wisdom.


Meta-paranoia is the best kind of paranoia.
2013-07-20 04:34:48 PM
1 votes:
Well, being scared of an external threat is better than fighting amongst ourselves I suppose
2013-07-20 04:31:39 PM
1 votes:
I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.
2013-07-20 04:19:47 PM
1 votes:

Shostie: LordOfThePings: Igor Jakovsky: MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

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whitebread world?

Wonderplanet

Breadglobe!


I thought it was Bread slices iPhone wallpaper.
2013-07-20 04:15:53 PM
1 votes:

LordOfThePings: Igor Jakovsky: MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x147][www.dntdesigns.co.uk image 225x183]

whitebread world?

Wonderplanet


Breadglobe!
2013-07-20 03:42:16 PM
1 votes:
Remember the good old days of " If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"?
2013-07-20 03:28:29 PM
1 votes:
Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, "She sure shouldn't be going to the press."

F*ck this guy!
 
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