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(Herald Tribune (SW Florida))   Remember those warrantless door to door searches everyone was okay with in Boston because it was a unique circumstance and other police agencies would never try it? Welcome to the new America   (heraldtribune.com) divider line 592
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2013-07-20 08:36:12 PM

sheumack: YoOjo: What is it with you people and your obsessions with 'freedom'?
The USA is one of the least 'free' places in the first world, we're just sold an illusion that we're free in order to placate us and keep us on the same side as the authorities.
Either wake up and smell the mushroom tea, and in the process accept that you're not 'free', or keep drinking the Kool Aid, but please stop harping on about civil liberties or losses of freedom.
The police are employed to control you, let them do that or pay the consequences.

This.

Get out. Spend some time wandering around Western Europe or Australia, and start to see how other systems work - even without a bill of rights or the freedom to carry a concealed weapon in public. Look at how criminals are prosecuted in criminal courts rather than judge under civil rules where the winner is the guy with the most expensive lawyer.


I'm already eager to leave the U.S. but can't until

1. I finish my PhD; and
2. find a good enough job outside the country that I can support my family without need of my husband working (his dream is to be a house husband).

Fortunately, I'm getting a PhD in physics, so there's a non-zero probability I could get a job offer outside the US.  In addition, I'm quick to learn new languages, so I'm not afraid to end up in a non-English speaking country.
 
2013-07-20 08:38:33 PM
AngryDragon: Smackledorfer: AngryDragon: cig-mkr: You will be reading more articles like this........give someone an inch and they will take a mile. It will become the norm.

But "Slippery Slope" is a fallacy!  Just ask the anti-abortion loons, and the anti-gun nuts, and the Corporate Deregulation lobbyists, and....


The devil's greatest trick was convincing everyone he doesn't exist.
 
2013-07-20 08:39:41 PM

AngryDragon: Bravo Two: MooseUpNorth: AngryDragon: Seriously?

*shrug* They're not hitting my radar very often. I live somewhere sane.

And by sane you mean fairly affluent, upper middle class?

I live in a fairly affluent, upper middle class area.  Three armed men on a spree chose my house at 5 in the morning as their next target 6 years ago.  I assure you, location is not an insulator.

That incident is also the reason why I would NEVER give up my firearms.  They are the only things that saved my family that night.  I can't believe that the police are stupid enough, with this country armed as it is, to do no-knock warrants.


Are you talking about the case at hand? This was the opposite of a no-knock warrant. This was a knock first then break in and terrorize the occupants non-warrant.
 
2013-07-20 08:40:05 PM

TuteTibiImperes: If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:

1. Lady sees a guy in a hunting vest pointing a gun at her while she's washing dishes (I'm assuming she saw him through a window as mysterious hunting-vest-dude apparently disappears from the rest of the story, perhaps it was one of the officers)

2. Lady starts screaming (understandably) and crawls across the floor to get her gun

3. There's a banging on the door and someone identifying themselves as a police officer requests entry (which is understandable considering he just heard screaming coming from inside the apartment)

4. After the door doesn't open, the police force it open, again, which is understandable - warrants aren't needed for exigent circumstances, and he just heard a lady screaming and is apparently aware that there's reported fugitive, possibly armed, in the area

5.  Because he's concerned for her safety and there is a possible armed fugitive, he comes in fully armed, and rightfully tells her to put down her weapon.

6.  The boyfriend asks to come out, he's let out, and immediately handcuffed, appropriately, as the police don't know who he is, if this is a domestic dispute, if he's the fugitive, etc, better safe than sorry - restrain him and then figure out what's going on

7.  The lady is screaming things that aren't related to the situation (being an American citizen does not give you the right to hold a gun on a police officer or to disobey their orders in that type of situation) but is finally calmed down by the boyfriend after he sees the other police outside.

8. Lady puts her gun down, the house is searched (there was a confrontation inside the home, screaming coming from it, it seems reasonable to me)

9. The situation is explained to the lady and her boyfriend, and they're let go

I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a b ...


Why nut just place a woman behind any house you want to search. Have her open a box to see your Sgt Cockroach.  She can scream.. then you can send the cops into the house basically because you heard a woman scream and there might be a felony occurring inside.

Warrants... who needs em.?
 
2013-07-20 08:40:32 PM
And this is why you stay as far the fark away from cops when they're running around the apartment building where you live. Turn off the lights,close the curtains and try to relax until they're done farking around.
 
2013-07-20 08:40:52 PM
What I don't understand...even if they were looking for a kiddie rapist...they didn't say he was armed and dangerous..

/cops were worried he was going to fight them off with his wiener?
 
2013-07-20 08:41:17 PM

TuteTibiImperes: fnordfocus:

Never mind the fact, that even without a lawsuit or going to the press, this is two more people with an arrest record who are now unemployable, ineligible for welfare benefits, etc.

The article states that she was never arrested, and while it doesn't explicitly state that he wasn't, it say that they just handcuffed him for half an hour while they searched then released him, I'm assume that he was just detained as well and not arrested.


That must be a huge apartment that it takes them a half hour to determine that no other people are present.
 
2013-07-20 08:42:38 PM

A Terrible Human: And this is why you stay as far the fark away from cops when they're running around the apartment building where you live. Turn off the lights,close the curtains and try to relax until they're done farking around.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-20 08:43:55 PM

fnordfocus: OtherLittleGuy: Yup.... and after a few more of these, a group of criminals will kelvar up, raid a place as "police", and they're be able to get in and out without incident, until the local police find out, "hey! that wasn't OUR raid!"

It's been done.  In one case, the dispatcher actually ordered a victim to open the door because the perps identified the were "FBI."  Then, they killed her.

And cases like this, where Officers don't think badges and uniforms make them look badass enough, only make it easier.  Where I live only a minority of Police wear clearly identifiable uniforms, and they're trending towards unmarked vehicles with civilian plates.


I remember hearing about cartels doing that in San Diego to kidnap people.
 
2013-07-20 08:44:04 PM

OhioUGrad: What I don't understand...even if they were looking for a kiddie rapist...they didn't say he was armed and dangerous..

/cops were worried he was going to fight them off with his wiener?


It isn't a bad idea to assume someone willing to assault an innocent child for pleasure might get desperate if he was facing prison time.
 
2013-07-20 08:44:15 PM

ManateeGag: Benevolent Misanthrope: NeoAnderthal: Busting in without a warrant? Sounds like a cop going rogue and a lawsuit to me.

Really?  Sounds like a bunch of cops exercising their machismo and power-high on a Very Important Mission, and and teaching some insufficiently servile biatch a lesson to me.  Damn, they did everything but gang-rape her to prove their power.

Remember friends - Police are not nice.  Never, ever trust them, and never, ever call them unless you have absolutely no alternative.  They are as likely to shoot you as they are to shoot the bad guy.  They are even somewhat likely to think you ARE the bad guy, if you don't cower in awe before them.

what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers?  I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over.  I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.


I've had the cops pounding on my door at 2 a.m. and when I finally answered the door (took a few minutes to run down if I had done anything illegal) I look out to 3 police cars and 2 cops with their guns drawn. Oops they have the wrong address they want the townhouse across from me. Thanks for scaring the crap out of me.
 
2013-07-20 08:44:37 PM

bunner: A Terrible Human: And this is why you stay as far the fark away from cops when they're running around the apartment building where you live. Turn off the lights,close the curtains and try to relax until they're done farking around.


Around here, they make the ones who question authority or aren't supporters of the government wear special badges.
 
2013-07-20 08:45:01 PM

CliChe Guevara: red5ish: Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, "She sure shouldn't be going to the press."

No she shouldn't. She should go to a nice law firm and see if she can sue. If this sort of behavior is costly to the police they will modify their behavior.

they will indeed learn to modify their behavior - they will learn to suicide and one-car accident those people before they can get a court date.


Paranoid much?
 
2013-07-20 08:45:36 PM
Thugs wearing uniforms are still thugs.
 
2013-07-20 08:46:21 PM
Cops and recidivist criminals are essentially the same people with the same goals.  Power and money.  They see the world through the same frame.  One, we subsidize with paychecks, the other we subsidize with really sh*tty housing.  I vote we fire all of them.
 
2013-07-20 08:46:23 PM

red5ish: CliChe Guevara: red5ish: Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, "She sure shouldn't be going to the press."

No she shouldn't. She should go to a nice law firm and see if she can sue. If this sort of behavior is costly to the police they will modify their behavior.

they will indeed learn to modify their behavior - they will learn to suicide and one-car accident those people before they can get a court date.

Paranoid much?


It's not paranoid if shiat like this already happens.
 
2013-07-20 08:46:49 PM

OhioUGrad: What I don't understand...even if they were looking for a kiddie rapist...they didn't say he was armed and dangerous..

/cops were worried he was going to fight them off with his wiener?


Something else I don't understand... if you read the accompanying article (it was on the sidebar) about the kiddie rapist... the knew who he was, it's not like some kid got raped in the bushes and the rapist ran away. As far as I understand the technical term... he wasn't a 'fugitive'... they were serving an arrest warrant that was apparently pretty new. And why were the farking US Marshals there to begin with?!?
 
2013-07-20 08:48:03 PM
FTA: But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"I feel bad for her," [wannabe Stasi agent] Wiggins conceded, finally. "But at the same time, I had to reasonably believe the bad guy was in her house based on what they were doing."


Bullshiat. If I don't get up to answer the door every time somebody knocks, then I'm a criminal? I wouldn't believe that it's the cops at first as well, I would think it's someone who's up to no good trying to trick me into opening the door.

If this is a typical apartment, then there's one door in and out. If they think there's a wanted person inside, then they can wait the person out. There's no potential of evidence being destroyed to warrant their actions.

/more and more it feels like the cops are the enemy
 
2013-07-20 08:48:04 PM

Smackledorfer: Bravo Two: Smackledorfer: AngryDragon: cig-mkr: You will be reading more articles like this........give someone an inch and they will take a mile. It will become the norm.

But "Slippery Slope" is a fallacy!  Just ask the anti-abortion loons, and the anti-gun nuts, and the Corporate Deregulation lobbyists, and....

Slippery slope is not a valid argument unless you can connect the dots.

Why this is so hard for people to grasp I have no idea, but I am sure you could find a dumbed down explanation with a quick googling if you or anyone else is having trouble.

I think it's fair to say that our government has used many excuses over the years to ratchet up the level of bullshiat people will accept. After all, they successfully got invasive screening at the airport to be welcomed. And I hear in NYC people are OK with cops randomly stopping people and searching them.

I don't know where exactly youae going with this so forgive me if I am inferring something you aren't saying.

I have no reason to think, unless I ignore the effects of increased national news access and everyone carrying cameras around, that police are worse now on average than they were a fifty years ago or fifty more before that.

Incidents are more salient, which is good, but comes with it the responsibility to be more reasonable in our understanding of available statistics. I have reason to think the cops in NYC aren't better behaved now than in the gangs of new york times. I may hate the way some cops treated OWS but let us admit it was much better than some of the things hippies, or blacks, protesting in the past had to endure. And in the country I doubt there were ever any Andy griffiths, but more like a heck of a lot of Walking Talls.

People act like the corruption is new, but I doubt it, and we have the strongest ability to work against that we have ever had.

In the long run, we have even seen multiple expansions of the 4th amendment.


You are right, if anything we're just more aware of the cops doing janky shiat. Which means that we need to combat this shiat with more vigor. Along with the NSA shiat, and the overreach of the rest of the government.
 
2013-07-20 08:48:25 PM

Bravo Two: bunner: A Terrible Human: And this is why you stay as far the fark away from cops when they're running around the apartment building where you live. Turn off the lights,close the curtains and try to relax until they're done farking around.

Around here, they make the ones who question authority or aren't supporters of the government wear special badges.


I think I've seen those.

www.ushmm.org
 
2013-07-20 08:48:29 PM
You win libs, congrats
 
2013-07-20 08:50:18 PM

Mr Rogers is aroused: Do you know how I can tell you aren't black?


To the cops, we're all escaped slaves.
 
2013-07-20 08:50:30 PM

Mr Rogers is aroused: Befuddled: FTA: But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"I feel bad for her," [wannabe Stasi agent] Wiggins conceded, finally. "But at the same time, I had to reasonably believe the bad guy was in her house based on what they were doing."

Bullshiat. If I don't get up to answer the door every time somebody knocks, then I'm a criminal? I wouldn't believe that it's the cops at first as well, I would think it's someone who's up to no good trying to trick me into opening the door.

If this is a typical apartment, then there's one door in and out. If they think there's a wanted person inside, then they can wait the person out. There's no potential of evidence being destroyed to warrant their actions.

/more and more it feels like the cops are the enemy

Do you know how I can tell you aren't black?


He's just now coming to this conclusion?
 
2013-07-20 08:51:38 PM

bunner: Mr Rogers is aroused: Do you know how I can tell you aren't black?

To the cops, we're all escaped slaves.


No, we're all criminals. It's just that they don't have a viable reason to fark with you - yet.
 
2013-07-20 08:51:44 PM

fnordfocus: Smackledorfer: That's enough to show up in a background check, so you're pretty much farked when it comes to getting a job.

Lying once again?

I'm guessing you've never had to taint yourself by filling out a job application?

Except for the biggest corporate employers, they all ask if you have an arrest record.  That leaves a civilian like me two choices. Say "no," and the background check shows a "detention" or "contact" with Officers, or say "yes" and they don't even bother with the background check.  In no case, would the rest of my application even get read.


I've been detained by police over the years several times, it's never shown up on any background check I've been through related to employment.
 
2013-07-20 08:51:52 PM
Obvious tag was unavailable, as it was being held at a black site.
 
2013-07-20 08:52:42 PM

Mr Rogers is aroused: Befuddled: FTA: But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"I feel bad for her," [wannabe Stasi agent] Wiggins conceded, finally. "But at the same time, I had to reasonably believe the bad guy was in her house based on what they were doing."

Bullshiat. If I don't get up to answer the door every time somebody knocks, then I'm a criminal? I wouldn't believe that it's the cops at first as well, I would think it's someone who's up to no good trying to trick me into opening the door.

If this is a typical apartment, then there's one door in and out. If they think there's a wanted person inside, then they can wait the person out. There's no potential of evidence being destroyed to warrant their actions.

/more and more it feels like the cops are the enemy

Do you know how I can tell you aren't black?


He openly supports gay marriage ?
 
2013-07-20 08:52:52 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: TuteTibiImperes: I don't see a police over-reach in this. If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger. Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon. She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.

8/10

It was originally 7/10... but I added a point for length.

/giggity


You're gonna have to bump that up to a solid 9.
 
2013-07-20 08:54:04 PM

Bravo Two: Mr Rogers is aroused: Befuddled: FTA: But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"I feel bad for her," [wannabe Stasi agent] Wiggins conceded, finally. "But at the same time, I had to reasonably believe the bad guy was in her house based on what they were doing."

Bullshiat. If I don't get up to answer the door every time somebody knocks, then I'm a criminal? I wouldn't believe that it's the cops at first as well, I would think it's someone who's up to no good trying to trick me into opening the door.

If this is a typical apartment, then there's one door in and out. If they think there's a wanted person inside, then they can wait the person out. There's no potential of evidence being destroyed to warrant their actions.

/more and more it feels like the cops are the enemy

Do you know how I can tell you aren't black?

He's just now coming to this conclusion?


now... now.... don't make fun of the slow kids.
www.pbase.com
 
2013-07-20 08:55:12 PM

fastbow: So it's pretty safe to assume he's kidding, unless he's absolutely desperate enough to get his first greenlight on Fark that he's willing to be the article.


WTF does that even mean?
/The authoritarian followers, they swarm like flies to shiat.
 
2013-07-20 08:55:14 PM

ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.


You lead a sheltered life then. Most likely one of submissive conformity as well. Unless of course you're living in some forgotten pocket of Mayberry USA.

It really doesn't take much to be exposed to the asshole in cops these days. Just be slightly above totally submissive and it appears.
 
2013-07-20 08:55:28 PM
Like no on has ever impersonated a cop.
Here is crazy idea. Have the girl 911 and verify they are real cops.
 
2013-07-20 08:55:44 PM
Unfortunately, this is not at all the least tiny little bit surprising to me.

I am, for the most part, a law abiding goody two shoes.  I do absolutely nothing to draw attention to myself, live a quiet life, and absolutely avoid confrontation unless it's a necessity.  And out of the very few interactions I've had with police, a high proportion of them have been unpleasant to say the least.  The bad experiences have ranged from a very aggressive and belligerent cop degrading me and using profanity, cops holding me up for over 1 hour for a traffic stop for what turned out to be a misunderstanding on their part and a probably illegal search of my premises because the cops mistook hibiscus for marijuana.  In fact, the only time I was involved with a cop who was at least respectful, was when I was in violation of the law for speeding.

So, count me in with the folks who've gotten fed up.
 
2013-07-20 08:58:33 PM

stuffy: Like no on has ever impersonated a cop.
Here is crazy idea. Have the girl 911 and verify they are real cops.


Calling 911 is *probably* what I would have done as I ran for the gun, if I had one.  But something tells me the time frame, from when the woman first got alarmed to the point where the cops burst in, was so brief, calling 911 wouldn't have really changed the situation or outcome much.
 
2013-07-20 08:58:39 PM

Bravo Two: Smackledorfer: Bravo Two: Smackledorfer: AngryDragon: cig-mkr: You will be reading more articles like this........give someone an inch and they will take a mile. It will become the norm.

But "Slippery Slope" is a fallacy!  Just ask the anti-abortion loons, and the anti-gun nuts, and the Corporate Deregulation lobbyists, and....

Slippery slope is not a valid argument unless you can connect the dots.

Why this is so hard for people to grasp I have no idea, but I am sure you could find a dumbed down explanation with a quick googling if you or anyone else is having trouble.

I think it's fair to say that our government has used many excuses over the years to ratchet up the level of bullshiat people will accept. After all, they successfully got invasive screening at the airport to be welcomed. And I hear in NYC people are OK with cops randomly stopping people and searching them.

I don't know where exactly youae going with this so forgive me if I am inferring something you aren't saying.

I have no reason to think, unless I ignore the effects of increased national news access and everyone carrying cameras around, that police are worse now on average than they were a fifty years ago or fifty more before that.

Incidents are more salient, which is good, but comes with it the responsibility to be more reasonable in our understanding of available statistics. I have reason to think the cops in NYC aren't better behaved now than in the gangs of new york times. I may hate the way some cops treated OWS but let us admit it was much better than some of the things hippies, or blacks, protesting in the past had to endure. And in the country I doubt there were ever any Andy griffiths, but more like a heck of a lot of Walking Talls.

People act like the corruption is new, but I doubt it, and we have the strongest ability to work against that we have ever had.

In the long run, we have even seen multiple expansions of the 4th amendment.

You are right, if anything we're just more aware of the cops doing janky shiat. Which means that we need to combat this shiat with more vigor. Along with the NSA shiat, and the overreach of the rest of the government.


Vigor, absolutely. Guided by logic and sanity though, which is hard to find. The problem here is that much of the vocal anti-cop side does little more than biatch about cops and doesn't come close to having a meaningful effect on the politicians. Further, a lot of our country LIKES a heavy handed police. That is a lot to overcome, but I think we are getting a bit done at a time.

Also I had a typo in my post. I have no reason to believe NYPD is worse today than in the old days. I have reason in fact to believe they are better.
 
2013-07-20 08:59:28 PM
So, are we all pro-2nd amendment now?

Or are we just going to bend over and take it when this becomes the new norm?
 
2013-07-20 08:59:54 PM
Id be fine with higher taxes if every single cop had a camera on him.  Ive not had any terrible experiences with cops but I have had a cop lie on his report about my statement.  I used to work third shift at a gas station and knew quite a few cops.  They are nice guys when they determine you arent a scumbag but they are still asses to anyone they might not like the look of.

I wouldnt mind those spider things in Minority Report.  If there is a man hunt I would rather not have cops with twitchy trigger fingers running through my building.
 
2013-07-20 09:00:46 PM

bunner: A Terrible Human: And this is why you stay as far the fark away from cops when they're running around the apartment building where you live. Turn off the lights,close the curtains and try to relax until they're done farking around.

[i.imgur.com image 746x72]


It sounds crazy but it's true. One summer during the chicken festival my mom was sitting outside and some asshole in the back apartments was running from the cops. My mom is legally blind and some fat son of a biatch cop comes up to her yelling at her to tell him where that asshole in the back went to or he'd take her to jail too. She pointed in some random direction because she didn't actually see where the guy went. She came in crying and scared. What the fark did she do to deserve to be treated like? Why should I ever respect a cop again after they did her that way? In general I'm never sad when I hear a news story about a dead cop. And yes I have cops in my family,state and county.
 
2013-07-20 09:00:53 PM
I'm about to go through a police academy, but events like this worry me. Articles like this and Radley Balko's new book (which is a great farking read, by the way) make me fear that I might have to take part in bullshiat like this.
 
2013-07-20 09:02:28 PM

A Terrible Human: And this is why you stay as far the fark away from cops when they're running around the apartment building where you live. Turn off the lights,close the curtains and try to relax until they're done farking around.


You might try the attic.
 
2013-07-20 09:02:30 PM

Aristocles: So, are we all pro-2nd amendment now?

Or are we just going to bend over and take it when this becomes the new norm?


becomes?
 
2013-07-20 09:02:48 PM

Aristocles: So, are we all pro-2nd amendment now?

Or are we just going to bend over and take it when this becomes the new norm?


You go, along with the other idiots in this thread, shoot some cops and prove your mettle.
 
2013-07-20 09:04:32 PM
Federal marshals?

Barack Obama Hitler II.
 
2013-07-20 09:05:18 PM

Aristocles: Or are we just going to bend over and take it when this becomes the new norm?


Let's check with history.

www.biography.com
img.radio.cz
cdn.theatlantic.com
randomstory.org
24.media.tumblr.com

So far, I think we're f*cked.
 
2013-07-20 09:05:30 PM
TuteTibiImperes:

1. Lady sees a guy in a hunting vest pointing a gun at her while she's washing dishes (I'm assuming she saw him through a window as mysterious hunting-vest-dude apparently disappears from the rest of the story, perhaps it was one of the officers)

2. Lady starts screaming (understandably) and crawls across the floor to get her gun

3. There's a banging on the door and someone identifying themselves as a police officer requests entry (which is understandable considering he just heard screaming coming from inside the apartment)

4. After the door doesn't open, the police force it open, again, which is understandable - warrants aren't needed for exigent circumstances, and he just heard a lady screaming and is apparently aware that there's reported fugitive, possibly armed, in the area

5.  Because he's concerned for her safety and there is a possible armed fugitive, he comes in fully armed, and rightfully tells her to put down her weapon.

6.  The boyfriend asks to come out, he's let out, and immediately handcuffed, appropriately, as the police don't know who he is, if this is a domestic dispute, if he's the fugitive, etc, better safe than sorry - restrain him and then figure out what's going on

7.  The lady is screaming things that aren't related to the situation (being an American citizen does not give you the right to hold a gun on a police officer or to disobey their orders in that type of situation) but is finally calmed down by the boyfriend after he sees the other police outside.

8. Lady puts her gun down, the house is searched (there was a confrontation inside the home, screaming coming from it, it seems reasonable to me)

9. The situation is explained to the lady and her boyfriend, and they're let go

I  don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon.  She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.


Dear Fark - the above post is an  almost perfect example of how to deceive and manipulate others while attempting to appear objective, honest and authoritative. Farkers who've experienced any sort of psychologically abusive relationship will immediately recognize the tone and techniques used in said post -  artificial empathy, repeated affirmations of authority, qualitative verbiage, inappropriate usage of the passive form, etc.  There's nothing about this post that doesn't stink of an agenda wrapped in dishonesty.

Tutes is either in law enforcement or is heavily invested in someone who is. Which is it?
 
2013-07-20 09:06:39 PM

Smackledorfer: Aristocles: So, are we all pro-2nd amendment now?

Or are we just going to bend over and take it when this becomes the new norm?

You go, along with the other idiots in this thread, shoot some cops and prove your mettle.


here you go... there is something white and sticky on your chin.
www.optco.org
 
2013-07-20 09:09:00 PM

RINO: I'm about to go through a police academy, but events like this worry me. Articles like this and Radley Balko's new book (which is a great farking read, by the way) make me fear that I might have to take part in bullshiat like this.


There will be no conflict on your part. You'll either be a man with principles and the balls to act on them or you'll be a pissy little authoritarian follower coward.
Your choice.
 
2013-07-20 09:09:26 PM

Weaver95: TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.

so all the cops gotta do is make up some bullshiat about exigent circumstances and you're good with them violating your rights?


Exigent circumstances?  OK!

Making up bullshiat?  Bad!
 
2013-07-20 09:10:18 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: RINO: I'm about to go through a police academy, but events like this worry me. Articles like this and Radley Balko's new book (which is a great farking read, by the way) make me fear that I might have to take part in bullshiat like this.

There will be no conflict on your part. You'll either be a man with principles and the balls to act on them or you'll be a pissy little authoritarian follower coward.
Your choice.


If you join a leper colony, your healthy immune system doesn't cure the lepers.  You just probably get leprosy.
 
2013-07-20 09:11:16 PM

Smackledorfer: Aristocles: So, are we all pro-2nd amendment now?

Or are we just going to bend over and take it when this becomes the new norm?

You go, along with the other idiots in this thread, shoot some cops and prove your mettle.


I'm not saying folks should go out and shoot people, I'm saying that this shiat needs to be checked right away. Police need to realize that they are civilians just like us. Their job may be to enforce the laws of the people, but that doesn't mean they're above those laws.

/you know that if this woman had a dog, it'd be dead
 
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