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(Herald Tribune (SW Florida))   Remember those warrantless door to door searches everyone was okay with in Boston because it was a unique circumstance and other police agencies would never try it? Welcome to the new America   (heraldtribune.com) divider line 592
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2013-07-20 06:33:19 PM

you are a puppet: Hector Remarkable: you are a puppet: If you're really outraged about this you should kill the police officer they named in the article. Otherwise it's just a bunch of complaining that won't lead to anything.

I haven't even killed ZImmerman yet!

Just saying, if someone started killing all the police involved in these raids it would be really cool, especially if you released little videos after each kill like Mandarin in Iron man 3, or maybe you could give a big speech like Bane (in Banes voice). Maybe I'm just excited with Comicon going on, it's got me in a mood. Got my facial hair looking like Wolverine right now. Couldn't get the hair on my head right though...too curly


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2013-07-20 06:33:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I5.  Because he's concerned for her safety and there is a possible armed fugitive, he comes in fully armed, and rightfully tells her to put down her weapon.


Based on this and your masterfull trolling of yesterday's Detroit thread, I anoint you King of the Fark Trolls. Congratulations!
 
2013-07-20 06:33:46 PM

BafflerMeal: Over the course of my life it seems to me that the general thuggery of good ol boy cops in the south has become the sop model for police actions in the us writ large.


Cops have been militarized - no secrets there. And, I doubt there's much the citizenry can do about it at this stage in the game. Outside of leaving the US, that is.
 
2013-07-20 06:33:53 PM

Mike_LowELL: See You Next Tuesday: If Fark had a village idiot he would type something about Obama out of the clear blue.

You realize Taxbongo was the commanding S.W.A.T. officer, right?  Or at least one of his clones.  The cloning technology has gotten very good, so it's very hard to tell.


oh yeah, S.W.A.T. That reminds me..Colin Ferrell. Someone could wait outside this cop's house, he comes out, you shoot him in the head and say "Bullseye!"
 
2013-07-20 06:34:22 PM

See You Next Tuesday: ThatDarkFellow: If Obama had a pack of thugs destroying civil liberty they would look like these gentleman

If Fark had a village idiot he would type something about Obama out of the clear blue.


Fark has a metropolis of village idiots!

/ And depending on the day and the thread, I might be one of its fine citizens!
 
2013-07-20 06:36:03 PM

ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers?  I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over.  I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.


You sound white.
 
2013-07-20 06:36:10 PM
Give up freedom for security and lose both.
 
2013-07-20 06:36:48 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers?  I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over.  I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

You sound white.


He sounds like a slave.
 
2013-07-20 06:37:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how the cop thinks that since he didn't shoot her she shouldn't be going to the press

/Christ what an asshole


Seriously.  What a f---- prick.  Part of me wishes she had panicked and shot him, although I think we all know what the result would have been.  "Two domestic terrorists covering up a child sexual slavery ring 'exchanged gunfire' with numerous officers sent to apprehend them, wounding one.  The blood loss in the perpetrators' bodies was more than compensated by the increase in weight due to copper and lead."

Maybe someday the prick cop will have a warrantless knock on his door with a tac team and a red dot on his forehead.
 
2013-07-20 06:38:48 PM

MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

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yeasty planet?
 
2013-07-20 06:39:28 PM
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2013-07-20 06:40:56 PM
Raylan Givens would have sweet talked her out.
 
2013-07-20 06:42:34 PM

mrlewish: What they gonna do on the day some innocent home owner shoots multiple cops dead while they are barging in without a warrant and he/she records it all?


Turn the homeowner and any witnesses in the house into leaky meat, confiscate any cameras, computers or obvious recording equipment as "evidence," make sure that they find something illegal--maybe some crystal meth, say, or a few cans of brake fluid or de-icer that they can CLAIM was for making meth, or cocaine or child pr0n on a laptop or something--and intimidate any outside witnesses into silence.  Lean on anyone who DOES go to the press and if it actually somehow goes to court, throw enough obfuscation and doubt on any witness testimony that no one can even be sure the witness is actually even in the court room, much less that s/he saw anything untoward happen that night.

You know, business as usual.
 
2013-07-20 06:43:47 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: [cdn2.planetminecraft.com image 850x637]


Is that a car full of cops having a taser orgy or is it a malfunctioning hybrid?
 
2013-07-20 06:44:09 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.


Dude...the guy at the window WAS one of the cops. The BF didn't refuse to open the
door, he just wanted to see ID to verify that the armed men pounding on his door were,
in fact, the police.
 
2013-07-20 06:44:15 PM

Bacontastesgood: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I like how the cop thinks that since he didn't shoot her she shouldn't be going to the press

/Christ what an asshole

Seriously.  What a f---- prick.  Part of me wishes she had panicked and shot him, although I think we all know what the result would have been.  "Two domestic terrorists covering up a child sexual slavery ring 'exchanged gunfire' with numerous officers sent to apprehend them, wounding one.  The blood loss in the perpetrators' bodies was more than compensated by the increase in weight due to copper and lead."

Maybe someday the prick cop will have a warrantless knock on his door with a tac team and a red dot on his forehead.


The sad part is that the whole thing might have been avoided if Officer Dickhead had pulled the badge out from under his bulletproof vest instead of just relying on the authority inherent in profanity to prove that they were indeed the farking police.
 
2013-07-20 06:45:44 PM

YoOjo: Jon iz teh kewl: [cdn2.planetminecraft.com image 850x637]

Is that a car full of cops having a taser orgy or is it a malfunctioning hybrid?


whatever it is, it's something cool because cops = cool
 
2013-07-20 06:45:55 PM
every SWAT/SRT/TRU operator needs to be outed. Why?. Every citizen has the right to.
 
2013-07-20 06:47:12 PM

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Turn the homeowner and any witnesses in the house into leaky meat, confiscate any cameras, computers or obvious recording equipment as "evidence," make sure that they find something illegal--maybe some crystal meth, say, or a few cans of brake fluid or de-icer that they can CLAIM was for making meth, or cocaine or child pr0n on a laptop or something--and intimidate any outside witnesses into silence.  Lean on anyone who DOES go to the press and if it actually somehow goes to court, throw enough obfuscation and doubt on any witness testimony that no one can even be sure the witness is actually even in the court room, much less that s/he saw anything untoward happen that night.

You know, business as usual.


Yeah.  The only way it works is to have cameras streaming to a remote server, well secured, which is set up with a script so if it isn't disabled daily or weekly to forward a link to the video to the NYT, 4chan, etcetera.  Maybe with a trap so if they try to hack it, the fingerprints are recorded too.  The cameras also need to be HD with high dynamic range so they aren't blown out by muzzle flare.  Who the fark is going to do all of that on the off chance some cops are going to murder them?
 
2013-07-20 06:47:44 PM

MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

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2013-07-20 06:48:15 PM

Shostie: Listen, people. All I'm saying is that Reggatta de Blanc is a damn fine album.

And yeah, the Police aren't your friends, but I think that's just Sting and his ego. Andy Summers seems like a nice enough guy.


and what about Stewart Copeland?
 
2013-07-20 06:50:19 PM

ManateeGag: Benevolent Misanthrope: NeoAnderthal: Busting in without a warrant? Sounds like a cop going rogue and a lawsuit to me.

Really?  Sounds like a bunch of cops exercising their machismo and power-high on a Very Important Mission, and and teaching some insufficiently servile biatch a lesson to me.  Damn, they did everything but gang-rape her to prove their power.

Remember friends - Police are not nice.  Never, ever trust them, and never, ever call them unless you have absolutely no alternative.  They are as likely to shoot you as they are to shoot the bad guy.  They are even somewhat likely to think you ARE the bad guy, if you don't cower in awe before them.

what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers?  I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over.  I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.


Yet. Better hope there's never an erroneous report of a rapist in your area or some enemy of yours doesn't call in a fake drug tip for your house. You can sue afterwards, you might even win, but that won't really matter if one of your loved ones is shot dead.
 
2013-07-20 06:50:27 PM
The foundation of Christian culture is martyrdom. WIth out some cause/enemy/struggle to which they can sacrifice themselves, Christians are pretty lost. The result of this is the eternal, "other" as enemy of "freedom." Every generation has been convinced by its leadership, once in a while legitimately but most often not so, that the very existence of everything they know is at stake.

This is what has been implied about Islamic radical terrorists and it's fundamentally true, but the reaction has been galaxies out of proportion to the threat to the point that we are effectively on a global Crusade against mostly Islamic poor brown people, who we kill with bombs that cost a million dollars apiece launched from aircraft that cost $100 million apiece. At home, we are all subject to secret court orders that strip our Constitutional rights without the slightest public due process. All of your phone calls, emails, web searches, financial records, criminal records, and driving records are subject to secret collection and analysis.

Osama bin Laden's stated purpose was to bankrupt the United States of America, similarly to how he bled out the financial life of the Soviet Union. Bush fell right into the trap and now there seems to be no going back.

Feel safer?
And the congress voted all of this stuff into existence and the first black president, a constitutional scholar (albeit the Chicago School version of that strange animal) who governs objectively to the right of Richard Nixon, won't do anything about it because he doesn't want to appear weak.

Eventually, it will fall to the citizens to resist the creep of fascism across this country.
If shooting down drones, as proposed through the legislative process in a Colorado town this week, is the beginning or the place where we the people have to draw our line, so be it.
Fark the fascists. With an icepick. In the ear.
 
2013-07-20 06:52:00 PM

TuteTibiImperes: If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:

1. Lady sees a guy in a hunting vest pointing a gun at her while she's washing dishes (I'm assuming she saw him through a window as mysterious hunting-vest-dude apparently disappears from the rest of the story, perhaps it was one of the officers)

2. Lady starts screaming (understandably) and crawls across the floor to get her gun

3. There's a banging on the door and someone identifying themselves as a police officer requests entry (which is understandable considering he just heard screaming coming from inside the apartment)

4. After the door doesn't open, the police force it open, again, which is understandable - warrants aren't needed for exigent circumstances, and he just heard a lady screaming and is apparently aware that there's reported fugitive, possibly armed, in the area

5.  Because he's concerned for her safety and there is a possible armed fugitive, he comes in fully armed, and rightfully tells her to put down her weapon.

6.  The boyfriend asks to come out, he's let out, and immediately handcuffed, appropriately, as the police don't know who he is, if this is a domestic dispute, if he's the fugitive, etc, better safe than sorry - restrain him and then figure out what's going on

7.  The lady is screaming things that aren't related to the situation (being an American citizen does not give you the right to hold a gun on a police officer or to disobey their orders in that type of situation) but is finally calmed down by the boyfriend after he sees the other police outside.

8. Lady puts her gun down, the house is searched (there was a confrontation inside the home, screaming coming from it, it seems reasonable to me)

9. The situation is explained to the lady and her boyfriend, and they're let go

I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a b ...


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2013-07-20 06:52:05 PM
And look where it's at
Middle America, now it's a tragedy
Now it's so sad to see, an upper class city
Having this happening...

/boo hoo white people
//this shiat happens to minorities on the daily
 
2013-07-20 06:52:30 PM
Assuming the story is true, that's some scary farking shiat right there.
 
2013-07-20 06:53:22 PM
Apologist TuteTibiImperes commenting on a rape, "She was dressed like a whore."
 
2013-07-20 06:54:03 PM
My favorite part was where the officer justified his actions by saying "well everyone else did what I said and since this couple didn't that let me know that's where the bad guy was"
What a load of horseshiat.
 
2013-07-20 06:54:28 PM

MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

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I'm 37, and even during my college years I never got cuffed.  This last July 4th.  I was invited to a party.  Just before 9, everyone in the building went on the roof to watch the fireworks.  Some people were shooting off roman candles.  The cops came.  Usually, it just means go home.  I waited for some of the ladies to go down the stairs and I was cuffed.

The good news, I was able to see the fireworks.  It was your basic stop-and-frisk the middle-aged white guy.  They cuffed five of us(out of 40 people on the roof), and all of us were in our 30s.(one guy, my friend, was Puerto Rican, but, that's not the point).

They got our wallets out and ran our driver's licenses to see we had warrants.  Since, we were cuffed, they had to charge us w/ something.  They charged us w/ trespassing, b/c the landlord would need a permit for the tenants to have rooftop access (That's what the cops told us).
So, now I have a carbon copy of the citation and I can't read it, and the precinct aren't helping me of informing when I should I should contest this in court.  Rather annoying.

So, yeah, until last July 4th, I never had a legal bad run-in w/ the cops (I've had angry traffic cops, but, that's another issue).

/meandering story, bro.
 
2013-07-20 06:55:57 PM
Holy shiat.
 
2013-07-20 06:56:26 PM

ManateeGag: Benevolent Misanthrope: NeoAnderthal: Busting in without a warrant? Sounds like a cop going rogue and a lawsuit to me.

Really?  Sounds like a bunch of cops exercising their machismo and power-high on a Very Important Mission, and and teaching some insufficiently servile biatch a lesson to me.  Damn, they did everything but gang-rape her to prove their power.

Remember friends - Police are not nice.  Never, ever trust them, and never, ever call them unless you have absolutely no alternative.  They are as likely to shoot you as they are to shoot the bad guy.  They are even somewhat likely to think you ARE the bad guy, if you don't cower in awe before them.

what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers?  I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over.  I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.


Lucky you.  I had one farking my ex wife.  I was pulled over continuously.  Its nice you never met one who has clearly forgotten his oath, but many have.
 
2013-07-20 06:57:27 PM

Mike_LowELL: Her carelessness could have seduced the cops and then the streets would have fewer cops and then the Greek gods would come marching right the fark down.


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2013-07-20 06:57:40 PM
Okay, I'm well aware that this is stupid, but: has there ever been a referendum initiated by a populace on whether peace keeping was worth giving up privacy? I'm talking about through the entire course of history. It seems to be the default assumption that the vast majority will trade everything for safety, but I haven't personally seen that. I have to believe there is at least a sizable minority, surely full of machismo or self-loathing, who would take the opposite side. I know opposition exists, but it's usually coddled with "Of course we want to use every means necessary to [catch the bad guy, kill the bad guy, know the bad guy's plans]."

Is it really so far fetched to have somebody, anybody of note, publicly say, "The death of myself, my family, you, your family, or all of us is not a great enough reason to revoke privacy, the enumerated rights, and the ideal of liberty." ...and then not be treated as a joke?
 
2013-07-20 06:58:26 PM

nmemkha: Apologist TuteTibiImperes commenting on a rape, "She was dressed like a whore."


Umm, no, but you're saying that the police could walk by an apartment, hear a woman screaming because she was being raped, and not have the right to break down the door to save her because the rapist sure isn't letting them in and she's tied to the bed.
 
2013-07-20 06:59:01 PM

Quintessential_Cynic: Okay, I'm well aware that this is stupid, but: has there ever been a referendum initiated by a populace on whether peace keeping was worth giving up privacy? I'm talking about through the entire course of history. It seems to be the default assumption that the vast majority will trade everything for safety, but I haven't personally seen that. I have to believe there is at least a sizable minority, surely full of machismo or self-loathing, who would take the opposite side. I know opposition exists, but it's usually coddled with "Of course we want to use every means necessary to [catch the bad guy, kill the bad guy, know the bad guy's plans]."

Is it really so far fetched to have somebody, anybody of note, publicly say, "The death of myself, my family, you, your family, or all of us is not a great enough reason to revoke privacy, the enumerated rights, and the ideal of liberty." ...and then not be treated as a joke?


They won't be treated as joke. See Ruby Ridge and the rest ...
 
2013-07-20 06:59:04 PM
I certainly won't defend the Marshal here, or the fact we're getting very...police state-y with some of our protocols, and I'm a bit impressed at the fact she grabbed a  pistol when she saw a red laser guide pointed on her own goddamn forehead.

In a panic, I probably won't think "oh, it's the police and it must be a misunderstanding!" and yell  "Here, come in guys! I have cookies!!" either, but if all I have is a .38 caliber in the house, any single tracer beam flying about the kitchen most likely means whomever outside is doing it has friends, and my pistol will be going up multiple assault weapons...at which point after a few "WTF" moments internally I'd probably just rollover. This woman is ballsier than me.
 
2013-07-20 07:00:08 PM
You guys have short-term memories, and my google fu is failing me, but there was a MARINE killed a couple years ago when. . . Get this. . . A cop accidentally shot the door jamb of his house during a police raid (they were at the wrong house). The marine had a gun and thought someone was getting ready to rob him and his wife and kid. Wife ended up holding up the baby to the police saying don't shoot me.

People who think this sort of shiat was new to Boston haven't been paying attention.
 
2013-07-20 07:00:27 PM

YoOjo: What is it with you people and your obsessions with 'freedom'?
The USA is one of the least 'free' places in the first world, we're just sold an illusion that we're free in order to placate us and keep us on the same side as the authorities.
Either wake up and smell the mushroom tea, and in the process accept that you're not 'free', or keep drinking the Kool Aid, but please stop harping on about civil liberties or losses of freedom.
The police are employed to control you, let them do that or pay the consequences.


This.

Get out. Spend some time wandering around Western Europe or Australia, and start to see how other systems work - even without a bill of rights or the freedom to carry a concealed weapon in public. Look at how criminals are prosecuted in criminal courts rather than judge under civil rules where the winner is the guy with the most expensive lawyer.

The US is an amazing place for its entrepreneurial mindset and ability to turn ideas into reality, but even the liberal world-views are conservative in comparison to much of the world.
 
2013-07-20 07:02:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: nmemkha: Apologist TuteTibiImperes commenting on a rape, "She was dressed like a whore."

Umm, no, but you're saying that the police could walk by an apartment, hear a woman screaming because she was being raped, and not have the right to break down the door to save her because the rapist sure isn't letting them in and she's tied to the bed.


Well most reasonable people agree this incident was concerning, but you always have those few Gestapo loving tools who are willing to assume give thug-LEOs a pass unless it them who is drawing their unwarranted attention.
 
2013-07-20 07:02:32 PM

ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers?  I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over.  I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.


Hmm how about the time I was walking back from 7-11 at 2am... because I was studying for a final and needed some caffeine... I was simply walking across the street and I was stopped by a cruiser.  They proceeded to strip search me and give me several confusing sobriety tests.  Keep in mind I was in the middle of finals and was very low on sleep, maybe 1-2 hours a night for a couple of nights straight, and was just trying to walk home.

They eventually let me go after humiliating me and talking down to me, and wasting a couple hours of my time.
 
2013-07-20 07:03:27 PM
Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, "She sure shouldn't be going to the press."

No she shouldn't. She should go to a nice law firm and see if she can sue. If this sort of behavior is costly to the police they will modify their behavior.
 
2013-07-20 07:03:40 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Hmm how about the time I was walking back from 7-11 at 2am... because I was studying for a final and needed some caffeine... I was simply walking across the street and I was stopped by a cruiser.  They proceeded to strip search me and give me several confusing sobriety tests.  Keep in mind I was in the middle of finals and was very low on sleep, maybe 1-2 hours a night for a couple of nights straight, and was just trying to walk home.

They eventually let me go after humiliating me and talking down to me, and wasting a couple hours of my time.


What better way to kill time on a night shift?
 
2013-07-20 07:05:10 PM
I always said that when this shiat started happening to white people on a regular basis, I would leave this country.

I'm gonna renew my passport tomorrow and when the last kid is out of college in a year, I'm out. Hopefully, a year is enough to plan.
 
2013-07-20 07:05:48 PM
Remember, aim for the head, they are wearing body armor.
 
2013-07-20 07:06:27 PM

nmemkha: TuteTibiImperes: nmemkha: Apologist TuteTibiImperes commenting on a rape, "She was dressed like a whore."

Umm, no, but you're saying that the police could walk by an apartment, hear a woman screaming because she was being raped, and not have the right to break down the door to save her because the rapist sure isn't letting them in and she's tied to the bed.

Well most reasonable people agree this incident was concerning, but you always have those few Gestapo loving tools who are willing to assume give thug-LEOs a pass unless it them who is drawing their unwarranted attention.


I'm thinking most people didn't RTFA.  It comes down to one key point for me - was the entry prompted because there was screaming inside, or because no one answered the door?  The woman admits screaming out for an extended period of time after seeing the man outside the window, but the Marshall says that the reason he moved in was because no one answered.  Now, it could be that the screaming combined with no answer was why he was concerned, we don't know.

Forcing entry because of a fear that someone inside is in peril is legitimate, and everything after was legitimate based on her pointing a gun at the officer (perhaps not the search at the very end, I'm confused about why they needed that after they found out who the people were).

Forcing entry because you want to go in, but have no warrant, and have no reason to think someone is in danger inside would not be in any way legitimate.
 
2013-07-20 07:07:05 PM

Benjimin_Dover: TuteTibiImperes: Pray 4 Mojo: TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.

Here is the problem with that (assuming this is a reasonably accurate description of that the Marshal actually said):

But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"Open up. It's the police" does not give officers free reign to do whatever the fark they want.

Screaming heard from inside the apartment, no one answers when the police identify themselves, to me that's a legitimate reason to open the door to check on the safety of those inside.

It wasn't "no one answers when police identified themselves" it was a person inside the apartment responding to a voice through the door that claimed they were the police by asking for some identification yo be shown. Any law enforcement officer that has a problem with showing identification needs to be released to find another line of work.


That's what really bothers me here, along with searching an entire complex (and only being 'nice' to the residents who let them freely search), and handcuffing both of them, which sounds an awful lot like illegal imprisonment to me.
 
2013-07-20 07:07:39 PM

TuteTibiImperes: nmemkha: TuteTibiImperes: nmemkha: Apologist TuteTibiImperes commenting on a rape, "She was dressed like a whore."

Umm, no, but you're saying that the police could walk by an apartment, hear a woman screaming because she was being raped, and not have the right to break down the door to save her because the rapist sure isn't letting them in and she's tied to the bed.

Well most reasonable people agree this incident was concerning, but you always have those few Gestapo loving tools who are willing to assume give thug-LEOs a pass unless it them who is drawing their unwarranted attention.

I'm thinking most people didn't RTFA.  It comes down to one key point for me - was the entry prompted because there was screaming inside, or because no one answered the door?  The woman admits screaming out for an extended period of time after seeing the man outside the window, but the Marshall says that the reason he moved in was because no one answered.  Now, it could be that the screaming combined with no answer was why he was concerned, we don't know.

Forcing entry because of a fear that someone inside is in peril is legitimate, and everything after was legitimate based on her pointing a gun at the officer (perhaps not the search at the very end, I'm confused about why they needed that after they found out who the people were).

Forcing entry because you want to go in, but have no warrant, and have no reason to think someone is in danger inside would not be in any way legitimate.


Thank your for making my point. Maybe you should change your Fark handle to Awl Hammer.
 
2013-07-20 07:07:57 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Forcing entry because you want to go in, but have no warrant, and have no reason to think someone is in danger inside would not be in any way legitimate.


And doing so with no warrant while refusing to show ID, which it states in TFA, is also not legitimate.
 
2013-07-20 07:10:28 PM
Opiate of the Lasses
And look where it's at
Middle America, now it's a tragedy
Now it's so sad to see, an upper class city
Having this happening...
/boo hoo white people
//this shiat happens to minorities on the daily


You are right, police are keeping their protected status while taking the war on to anyone the want to arrest.

But I do remember some quote about one of the primary reasons the United States had to stop the Vietnam war. Something about running out of of people from socially marginalized economic classes to draft. When the white middle class sees a problem, then it gets handled.

When Officer Steroids McBain shoots and harasses enough random middle class white people, their will be a movement to demand social change.

This is actually a concern and it is being measured to prevent kickback.
Link

Per wikipedia:
In 1967, the continued operation of a seemingly unfair draft system then calling as many as 40,000 men for induction each month fueled a burgeoning draft resistance movement. The draft favored white, middle-class men, which allowed an economically and racially discriminating draft to force young African American men to serve in rates that were disproportionately higher than the general population. Although in 1967 there was a smaller field of draft eligible black men-29 percent versus 63 percent of draft eligible white men-64 percent of black men were chosen to serve in the war through conscription, compared to only 31 percent of eligible white men.[87] In 1986 the Washington Post published an in depth examination of the subject titled "The Myth of the Vietnam Vet." According to the Post, "The man who fought in Vietnam is typically depicted as a draftee, unwilling and probably black. In fact, 73 percent of those who died were volunteers and 12.5 percent were black (out of an age group that comprised 13.5 percent of the male population)."[88]
 
2013-07-20 07:12:00 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: TuteTibiImperes: Forcing entry because you want to go in, but have no warrant, and have no reason to think someone is in danger inside would not be in any way legitimate.

And doing so with no warrant while refusing to show ID, which it states in TFA, is also not legitimate.


The Constitution is just a silly document to people like him. They believe security is much more important than rights. To them, those who provide it, regardless of their methods, are always acting in your best interest.
 
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