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(Herald Tribune (SW Florida))   Remember those warrantless door to door searches everyone was okay with in Boston because it was a unique circumstance and other police agencies would never try it? Welcome to the new America   (heraldtribune.com) divider line 585
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2013-07-20 03:06:04 PM  
Busting in without a warrant? Sounds like a cop going rogue and a lawsuit to me.
 
2013-07-20 03:16:37 PM  
I like how the cop thinks that since he didn't shoot her she shouldn't be going to the press

/Christ what an asshole
 
2013-07-20 03:18:28 PM  
FTFA:Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, "She sure shouldn't be going to the press."

That sounds like a threat to me.I have a feeling that if there's a lawsuit, there might be a one-car "accident" or she might get pulled over and a bag of meth or coke is suddenly going to materialize in her car.
 
2013-07-20 03:23:43 PM  

NeoAnderthal: Busting in without a warrant? Sounds like a cop going rogue and a lawsuit to me.


Really?  Sounds like a bunch of cops exercising their machismo and power-high on a Very Important Mission, and and teaching some insufficiently servile biatch a lesson to me.  Damn, they did everything but gang-rape her to prove their power.

Remember friends - Police are not nice.  Never, ever trust them, and never, ever call them unless you have absolutely no alternative.  They are as likely to shoot you as they are to shoot the bad guy.  They are even somewhat likely to think you ARE the bad guy, if you don't cower in awe before them.
 
2013-07-20 03:27:57 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: NeoAnderthal: Busting in without a warrant? Sounds like a cop going rogue and a lawsuit to me.

Really?  Sounds like a bunch of cops exercising their machismo and power-high on a Very Important Mission, and and teaching some insufficiently servile biatch a lesson to me.  Damn, they did everything but gang-rape her to prove their power.

Remember friends - Police are not nice.  Never, ever trust them, and never, ever call them unless you have absolutely no alternative.  They are as likely to shoot you as they are to shoot the bad guy.  They are even somewhat likely to think you ARE the bad guy, if you don't cower in awe before them.


what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers?  I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over.  I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.
 
2013-07-20 03:28:29 PM  
Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, "She sure shouldn't be going to the press."

F*ck this guy!
 
2013-07-20 03:35:31 PM  

ManateeGag: I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over.


That's because you know how to act white. And don't say you don't know what I'm talking about.

The police aren't friends, and they're not to be trusted.
 
2013-07-20 03:40:24 PM  
"The tip was never about Goldsberry's apartment, specifically, Wiggins acknowledged. It was about the complex.

But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said."


Aaannnnnnd, that's a federal lawsuit won right there. The law is pretty crystal clear in this particular area.
 
2013-07-20 03:41:55 PM  
"I went above and beyond," Wiggins said. "I have to go home at night."

No you didn't, you giant back of dicks, and one day you won't be going home at night because someone will shoot you, and you'll probably be to blame.
 
2013-07-20 03:42:16 PM  
Remember the good old days of " If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about"?
 
2013-07-20 03:51:56 PM  

ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.


Let's play pictionary

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2013-07-20 04:11:30 PM  

MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

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whitebread world?
 
2013-07-20 04:15:17 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x147][www.dntdesigns.co.uk image 225x183]

whitebread world?


Wonderplanet
 
2013-07-20 04:15:17 PM  
Listen, people. All I'm saying is that Reggatta de Blanc is a damn fine album.

And yeah, the Police aren't your friends, but I think that's just Sting and his ego. Andy Summers seems like a nice enough guy.
 
2013-07-20 04:15:53 PM  

LordOfThePings: Igor Jakovsky: MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x147][www.dntdesigns.co.uk image 225x183]

whitebread world?

Wonderplanet


Breadglobe!
 
2013-07-20 04:19:47 PM  

Shostie: LordOfThePings: Igor Jakovsky: MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x147][www.dntdesigns.co.uk image 225x183]

whitebread world?

Wonderplanet

Breadglobe!


I thought it was Bread slices iPhone wallpaper.
 
2013-07-20 04:22:05 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Shostie: LordOfThePings: Igor Jakovsky: MurphyMurphy: ManateeGag: what shiatty interactions have you had with police officers? I've never, not ever once, had a horrible interaction with a police officer where I thought I was going to get shot or he was going to fark me over. I've felt like an idiot for getting a ticket a few times, but none of them have ever been outright assholes to me.

Let's play pictionary

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 252x147][www.dntdesigns.co.uk image 225x183]

whitebread world?

Wonderplanet

Breadglobe!

I thought it was Bread slices iPhone wallpaper.


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2013-07-20 04:31:39 PM  
I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.
 
2013-07-20 04:32:32 PM  
What's new about this? 50 years ago they'd both be dead.  And the cops would have been looking for marijuana, not kiddie rapists.  Get some f*cking perspective.
 
2013-07-20 04:33:46 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Goldsberry wasn't arrested or shot despite pointing a gun at a cop, so Wiggins said, "She sure shouldn't be going to the press."

F*ck this guy!


And this, too.
 
2013-07-20 04:34:41 PM  

Weaver95: I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.


But at least we'll all be armed to the teeth, so that should play out smoothly.
 
2013-07-20 04:34:48 PM  
Well, being scared of an external threat is better than fighting amongst ourselves I suppose
 
2013-07-20 04:37:18 PM  

Weaver95: I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.


words of wisdom.
 
2013-07-20 04:38:14 PM  

shanrick: Weaver95: I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.

words of wisdom.


Meta-paranoia is the best kind of paranoia.
 
2013-07-20 04:40:48 PM  
When I was a kid, I was brainwashed to love the militarization of police. So really, how can I object now?
 
2013-07-20 04:41:12 PM  

thamike: What's new about this? 50 years ago they'd both be dead.  And the cops would have been looking for marijuana Communists, not kiddie rapists.  Get some f*cking perspective.


Fixed for historical accuracy.
 
2013-07-20 04:43:56 PM  

thamike: shanrick: Weaver95: I don't think anyone really wants to stop and admit to themselves just how terrified our culture is these days.  one more big terror scare and that might be enough to push our culture over the edge into psychotic paranoia.

words of wisdom.

Meta-paranoia is the best kind of paranoia.


I have friends of mine who believe themselves to be fierce conservatives and believe that government should be extremely limited....and yet they blindly support the war on drugs and the war on terror, believing that the bill of rights is an impediment and that we can trust law enforcement not to abuse it's authority over us.  I personally don't understand their mindset but there you go.
 
2013-07-20 04:46:50 PM  
Wow... that's pretty farked up.

Two things I took away from this story...

Unless that is a REALLY old picture... that's a pretty decent looking 59.
Cops are assholes.
 
2013-07-20 04:59:45 PM  

Weaver95: I have friends of mine who believe themselves to be fierce conservatives


I have friends who believe themselves to be rockstars... one who believes himself to be a race car driver... and one who believes herself to be a professional poker player.

Doesn't mean that they are. Just means that we both have stupid friends.
 
2013-07-20 05:03:02 PM  

Weaver95: I have friends of mine who believe themselves to be fierce conservatives and believe that government should be extremely limited....and yet they blindly support the war on drugs and the war on terror, believing that the bill of rights is an impediment and that we can trust law enforcement not to abuse it's authority over us.  I personally don't understand their mindset but there you go.


This is my entire extended family, and they wonder why I don't visit.  When I tell them, as an ex-cop, that the balance of power is out of control they say it is because I am just a liberal Northerner.

God this country is full of idiots, and I am related to most of them apparently.
 
2013-07-20 05:08:53 PM  
If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:

1. Lady sees a guy in a hunting vest pointing a gun at her while she's washing dishes (I'm assuming she saw him through a window as mysterious hunting-vest-dude apparently disappears from the rest of the story, perhaps it was one of the officers)

2. Lady starts screaming (understandably) and crawls across the floor to get her gun

3. There's a banging on the door and someone identifying themselves as a police officer requests entry (which is understandable considering he just heard screaming coming from inside the apartment)

4. After the door doesn't open, the police force it open, again, which is understandable - warrants aren't needed for exigent circumstances, and he just heard a lady screaming and is apparently aware that there's reported fugitive, possibly armed, in the area

5.  Because he's concerned for her safety and there is a possible armed fugitive, he comes in fully armed, and rightfully tells her to put down her weapon.

6.  The boyfriend asks to come out, he's let out, and immediately handcuffed, appropriately, as the police don't know who he is, if this is a domestic dispute, if he's the fugitive, etc, better safe than sorry - restrain him and then figure out what's going on

7.  The lady is screaming things that aren't related to the situation (being an American citizen does not give you the right to hold a gun on a police officer or to disobey their orders in that type of situation) but is finally calmed down by the boyfriend after he sees the other police outside.

8. Lady puts her gun down, the house is searched (there was a confrontation inside the home, screaming coming from it, it seems reasonable to me)

9. The situation is explained to the lady and her boyfriend, and they're let go

I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon.  She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.
 
2013-07-20 05:09:29 PM  

cman: Well, being scared of an external threat is better than fighting amongst ourselves I suppose


Adrian Veidt certainly thought so.
 
2013-07-20 05:16:40 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:


I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon.  She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.

SO, all the cops need to do is laser-sight the occupants to get someone to scream, and warrants are no longer required? And you seem to be ok with this?
 
2013-07-20 05:17:05 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.


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2013-07-20 05:19:27 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't see a police over-reach in this. If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger. Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon. She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.


8/10

It was originally 7/10... but I added a point for length.

/giggity
 
2013-07-20 05:20:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't see a police over-reach in this.


then go back to sleep.  you won't understand the rest of this conversation anyway.
 
2013-07-20 05:22:30 PM  
I'm just posting in here before I get called out.
 
2013-07-20 05:27:52 PM  

vudutek: TuteTibiImperes: If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:

I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon.  She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.

SO, all the cops need to do is laser-sight the occupants to get someone to scream, and warrants are no longer required? And you seem to be ok with this?


The courts have long held that warrantless searches are legal if there are exigent circumstances, such as the officer's belief that someone is in mortal danger.

The officer at the door did not likely know that the woman was screaming because she possibly saw another officer through the window.  To his knowledge he was in an area where there was a reported fugitive, and there was a woman screaming in terror inside of her apartment.  It was his duty to protect the public safety to enter that apartment to make sure she wasn't being murdered, raped, etc.

Everything that came afterward seems to be SOP because there was a gun pointed at the officer and someone else in the apartment who (as far as the officer knew) may have been responsible for why she was screaming.
 
2013-07-20 05:28:52 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: vudutek: TuteTibiImperes: If I'm understanding the timeline of this correctly:

I don't see a police over-reach in this.  If an officer was driving past my house and heard loud screaming in terror I'd want him to come in as I very well could be in mortal danger.  Perhaps the guy was a bit gruff in his language, but he identified himself as a police officer and the couple delayed allowing him entry, and then the lady refused to lower her weapon.  She's frankly lucky that she didn't get shot.

SO, all the cops need to do is laser-sight the occupants to get someone to scream, and warrants are no longer required? And you seem to be ok with this?

The courts have long held that warrantless searches are legal if there are exigent circumstances, such as the officer's belief that someone is in mortal danger.

The officer at the door did not likely know that the woman was screaming because she possibly saw another officer through the window.  To his knowledge he was in an area where there was a reported fugitive, and there was a woman screaming in terror inside of her apartment.  It was his duty to protect the public safety to enter that apartment to make sure she wasn't being murdered, raped, etc.

Everything that came afterward seems to be SOP because there was a gun pointed at the officer and someone else in the apartment who (as far as the officer knew) may have been responsible for why she was screaming.


um...no.
 
2013-07-20 05:30:23 PM  
Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.
 
2013-07-20 05:33:03 PM  
Do they have a lower success rate of catching child rapists in the UK, where the cops don't go around pointing their hand-penises at everyone? Somehow I suspect they do ok.
 
2013-07-20 05:36:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.


so all the cops gotta do is make up some bullshiat about exigent circumstances and you're good with them violating your rights?
 
2013-07-20 05:39:45 PM  

Weaver95: TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.

so all the cops gotta do is make up some bullshiat about exigent circumstances and you're good with them violating your rights?


I wouldn't be cool with them making something up, no.  In this case however she admitted herself she was screaming her lungs out.  Ideally in the case of an illegal search where the officer stated that he heard something/smelled something that was evidence of a crime there would be some witnesses to back that story up and you would be able to have the search thrown out in court if it came to that.

Even better, we could expect officers of the law to not make shiat up (there will always be some bad apples, but from my experience the majority aren't corrupt).
 
2013-07-20 05:40:34 PM  

flucto: Do they have a lower success rate of catching child rapists in the UK, where the cops don't go around pointing their hand-penises at everyone? Somehow I suspect they do ok.


i.imgur.com

Oh hai, someone was asking about me?

/now with even more friends
 
2013-07-20 05:40:34 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.


Here is the problem with that (assuming this is a reasonably accurate description of that the Marshal actually said):

But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"Open up. It's the police" does not give officers free reign to do whatever the fark they want.
 
2013-07-20 05:42:29 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.

Here is the problem with that (assuming this is a reasonably accurate description of that the Marshal actually said):

But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"Open up. It's the police" does not give officers free reign to do whatever the fark they want.


Screaming heard from inside the apartment, no one answers when the police identify themselves, to me that's a legitimate reason to open the door to check on the safety of those inside.
 
2013-07-20 05:49:48 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Screaming heard from inside the apartment, no one answers when the police identify themselves, to me that's a legitimate reason to open the door to check on the safety of those inside.


Marshal didn't say that.

Paraphrased: Looking for a fugitive on a tip... every other neighbor opened their door... these people didn't. That told me the fugitive was probably there, so I entered the apartment.

Not cool.
 
2013-07-20 05:59:52 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: TuteTibiImperes: Screaming heard from inside the apartment, no one answers when the police identify themselves, to me that's a legitimate reason to open the door to check on the safety of those inside.

Marshal didn't say that.

Paraphrased: Looking for a fugitive on a tip... every other neighbor opened their door... these people didn't. That told me the fugitive was probably there, so I entered the apartment.

Not cool.


I'll agree to that.  If he didn't hear any screaming or have reason to believe the people inside were under mortal danger, there wouldn't be a legitimate reason to enter the apartment.
 
2013-07-20 06:01:36 PM  
Yawn. This happens all the time in black/ or Hispanic or poverty stricken areas. Botched drug raids. Mistaken identities. Busting into homes of innocent elderly people and slamming them to the floor just for 'training purposes'.

It's never newsworthy because people don't care.
 
2013-07-20 06:02:16 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Pray 4 Mojo: TuteTibiImperes: Let me clarify with this too - her screaming was the only reason they had legitimate cause to enter the apartment.

If they'd knocked normally, she'd opened the door unarmed, and refused them entry, any further push to enter the apartment would have been wrong.

Here is the problem with that (assuming this is a reasonably accurate description of that the Marshal actually said):

But when the people in Goldsberry's apartment didn't open up, that told Wiggins he had probably found the right door. No one at other units had reacted that way, he said.

"Open up. It's the police" does not give officers free reign to do whatever the fark they want.

Screaming heard from inside the apartment, no one answers when the police identify themselves, to me that's a legitimate reason to open the door to check on the safety of those inside.


I think you're failing to understand what elicited the screams in the first place. They could've thrown in a smoke grenade and the other cops go barging in saying, "We saw smoke!"

That seems OK to you?
 
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