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(WTOP)   Colorado town to issue hunting licenses and pay bounty for "killed" drones. For some reason the federal government has a problem with this   (wtop.com) divider line 156
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2013-07-20 04:48:54 PM  

Ablejack: I love this brand of idiot. Of the ilk that cries out, "Show me the law that says I can't do this! yuk-yuk." Then they proceed to do something utterly inane. The FAA should respond with these yahoos' other battlecry: "We don't need no stinkin' new laws, just reinforce the existing ones!"


And the House Republicans will vote to water down the laws for Real Muricans, in the I've-Lost-Count-th attempt to repeal Obamacare.
 
2013-07-20 04:49:31 PM  
In Colorado?

I think they may have a special "It's coming right for us" version of the SYG law making this drone shooting idear totes legal.

/Totes.
 
2013-07-20 04:51:28 PM  
It is discussion threads like this that keep me coming back to Fark for all my news commentary.  Unfortunately, I am not being sarcastic.
 
2013-07-20 04:52:07 PM  

quatchi: In Colorado?

I think they may have a special "It's coming right for us" version of the SYG law making this drone shooting idear totes legal.

/Totes.


funnied.
/you should get notified automatically, dontchathink? or perhaps we do; just I've never been.
 
2013-07-20 04:52:18 PM  
Meh....the Federal gov't needs biatchslapped sometimes.   This may be one of those times...
 
2013-07-20 04:55:16 PM  
drone=rc helocopter with go pro cam on it looking in your bedroom window
 
2013-07-20 04:56:44 PM  

hubiestubert: hardinparamedic: And to think, here I've been thinking that shooting at an aircraft, especially with the intent to shoot it down, has been a federal crime since we've had aviation laws on the book.

It's going to be funny when some nutjob decides to try to do that, and either has it crash into a house and kill someone, or has the bullet come down right into a kid's head. Not ha-ha funny, but "Dumbass" funny.

Or starts a forest fire that consumes a fair chunk of timber land. Yeah, that's going to make these folks SUPER popular...


Or lets aliens from the 8th Dimension take over.
 
2013-07-20 04:59:18 PM  
Well, if the point of this is to call attention to the fact America is having flying spy planes forced on us, then I'm ALL FOR IT.

Sometimes it's the thought that counts.
 
2013-07-20 04:59:56 PM  

Ablejack: funnied.
/you should get notified automatically, dontchathink? or perhaps we do; just I've never been.


I don't think the smart/funny buttons are actually connected to anything. Could be wrong.
 
2013-07-20 05:00:22 PM  

megarian: oldernell: They're easy to shoot down, but difficult to clean and they taste horrible.

Try Frank's Red Hot.

I put that shiat on everything.


Mmmm. I keep a bottle of it on my desk for that very reason.
 
2013-07-20 05:00:30 PM  
CSB: Deer Trail is the nearest town to  this place. Some guy was shooting video with a Quadrocopter during the NASA event there last weekend,

/Nobody shot at it
//Never actually been to Deer Trail
///Whole lotta nuthin' out there
 
2013-07-20 05:00:47 PM  

slykens1: Aaron Cross didn't need a permit.


www.flicksandbits.com


"Damn right!"
 
2013-07-20 05:01:50 PM  
yeah that $100 will sure cover those legal expenses to defend your self on charges of destruction of government property
 
2013-07-20 05:02:12 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: oldernell: They're easy to shoot down, but difficult to clean and they taste horrible.

This reminds me of the time my obnoxious vegan friend put a whole shiatload of Styrofoam deer sculptures she'd made with packages of what she considered delicious nonperishable vegan food and an 'isn't this nicer?' note in their hollow bellies into the forest the day before the first day of hunting season.

...And no, I have no idea why the hell we're friends. I think she might be my comic relief, really.


That's a rather involved prank.  But I can respect that kind of effort.
 
2013-07-20 05:03:20 PM  
"Look out, Ned, it's headed right for us!"
 
2013-07-20 05:05:48 PM  
United Police States of America
 
2013-07-20 05:06:16 PM  

bmwericus: mutterfark:

Serious question, could you bring them down with some kind of radio "jammer"?


In theory yes.  Depends on the drone - I suspect the military armed drones have some pretty sophsticated systems to prevent hijacking them.

Cheaper drones - in theory you could blanket the command frequency with noise loud enough to drown out the commands - depending on the drone it would either crash or go into some sort of safe/autoland mode.

The practically of doing this?  Hard to say - I would suggest at a minumum you would have to have a high speed steerable dish antenna and a transmitter with a couple KW on the appropriate frequency, maybe less.

Shooting at a drone with a firearm would be beyond stupid.

However, the guy who invents a steering nose cone for an estes rocket is going to be wealthy....


Shooting a global hawk or similar large, jet powered drone would be beyond stupid.

A "102nd use for a dead cat"* drone would be ideal for bird shot.  There are a large class of useful drones that need not be able to carry a hellfire missile to complete its mission.  I assume that most flying over the US would not need hellfire missiles.  Small size will reduce mission range, but since every congressman wants military bases in his district, that shouldn't be too much of a problem.  For observing districts with less corrupt congressman (who avoid flying in small planes), you can go a long way by simply flying slower (domestic flights need not worry about other drones intercepting them).

I'd wonder if this was started by someone with an interest in making drones that are at least extremely difficult to bring down with small arms fire (I'm sure we've lost a few in Afghanistan, and it is reasonable to think rednecks are better armed than the Taliban.  AR-15s also have better range than AK-47s.)  Since this type of political thought isn't unknown among defence engineers, it might have started that way.  Of course, since the number of tea partiers likely outnumber the defence engineers, I wouldn't count on it.

Finally, no.  This isn't like the "black helicopter idiocy."  The "black helicopter idiocy" included such things as "I can't eyeball a flag on the aircraft, therefore it must have gold fringe and I don't have to follow US law".  Of course, there is always the question of how many people willing to shoot a drone don't hold property rights equal to human rights. Such issues make you wonder if they would be equally happy shooting a hang glider.

/* Not obscure.  You're just old.
// Yes, I went there.  On caturday.
 
2013-07-20 05:10:23 PM  
I can see a win-win situation in this kind of civil disobedience. It's buried deep beneath many layers of perversity, but it's there.
 
2013-07-20 05:11:52 PM  

DaAlien: CSB: Deer Trail is the nearest town to  this place. Some guy was shooting video with a Quadrocopter during the NASA event there last weekend,

/Nobody shot at it
//Never actually been to Deer Trail
///Whole lotta nuthin' out there


Just watched a youtube vid of a lap around that joint. Nice track.
 
2013-07-20 05:11:55 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: bmwericus: mutterfark:
Shooting at a drone with a firearm would be beyond stupid.
...
A "102nd use for a dead cat"* drone would be ideal for bird shot.
...
AR-15s also have better range than AK-47s.
...

Correction.  In no way am I suggesting shooting at *any* drone in places they aren't used for assination with anything larger than bird shot.  Next thing you know it will be raining down .30-30 ammunition, and some joker will decide to justify his purchase of a .50 sniper rifle.
 
2013-07-20 05:15:26 PM  

JacksonBryan: FYI, an R/C plane following a drone results in some serious one-on-one time with the State police...just saying.


Did you follow them around three corner turns, or whatever the urban legend is?

bmwericus: mutterfark:

However, the guy who invents a steering nose cone for an estes rocket is going to be wealthy....


Now I want a (cheap) model rocket with vector thrust.
 
2013-07-20 05:19:08 PM  
Don't hunt the drones.  Hunt the men driving them.  A drone is much easier replaced than the man operating it.
 
2013-07-20 05:24:02 PM  
There's big money waiting for those who develop counter-drone tech.  It covers a whole collection of technologies, everything from drone detection systems, guided skyrockets, anti-drone drones, even using balloons to get anti-drones to altitude so they can attack from a descending angle.  Telescopes with corrected virtual images, so while it looks like you are shooting a drone, you are shooting an adjusted angle for where the drone is going to be when the bullet arrives in that space.  Then there are solid state lasers to blind and burn drones.

All extremely illegal, mind you.  But insanely profitable.
 
2013-07-20 05:26:49 PM  

hardinparamedic: cptjeff: Under most circumstances, no. They're generally programed to just fly around in circles if they lose signal, but if there's a storm creating uneven pressure in the area, the automatic routines can't always keep up.

Even then, you're messing with powers that you really don't want to come down on you. You've just jammed a Government Satellite uplink.

The FCC and other Feds are going to drop the hammer on you.


We're calling it a usability study and bulletproofing the system. Crowd-sourcing the beta if you will. If we don't show them how easy it is to shut them down they won't be prepared for the terrorists they are intended to thwart.

I'm a patriot doing my civic duty.
 
2013-07-20 05:37:14 PM  
The only 'Drones' I'm aware of in the area here are those hobbyists can buy at a shop and fly like an RC aircraft. A lot of them have cameras built in because folks like having a birds eye view. YouTube has a few videos from cameras placed in the cockpits of these large RC planes and they're pretty cool.

It's kind of like you're in there flying the thing.

Besides, if the cops want aircraft surveillance, they can use a helicopter costing a grand an hour or so and can be heard coming miles away. Folks have no problem with one of those hovering over their neighborhood looking for crooks. Why should they be pi$$ed over a smaller, quieter version that isn't costing them a ton in taxes for maintenance and aviation fuel.

Heck. I'd like to have a drone with a camera just to look around and have fun with. Folks were happy as heck when they came out with automatic cameras years ago that could fit in the plastic nose cone of a model rocket and take a short reel of film during the flight. Even though they had to wait several days to get the film developed and show it from a projector. Model aircraft enthusiasts were as happy as peas in a pod.

No one worried about being spied upon.

Then again, CB radios were popular in cars and, if you knew what you were doing, you could park your car outside of an RC field, turn your CB to a certain channel, key the mike and watch aircraft fall from the skies. They could jam the RC signal.

Attach an illegal booster (called a linear) and you could jam signals even better. Though illegal, those devices could be bought almost anywhere. They doubled the range of your car CB radio.

When they came up with RC helicopters that ran on gas engines, the enthusiasts were real thrilled. More power. Longer flight time.

The only difference is today is that drones are quieter, you can get images in real time or stored to download and don't have to wait two or three days for the film to get developed. Plus, those video cams are actually cheaper than the tiny, film cameras that were used.

BTW. I've seen 1/4 scale gas powered B52 RC bombers. Those babies can carry a lot of video cams, powerful real time transmitters and the heavy batteries to support them.

No one complained about them.
 
2013-07-20 05:40:00 PM  
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www.conservativecommune.com
 
2013-07-20 05:48:09 PM  
Headline: bla bla
Actual story: not bla bla
 
2013-07-20 05:50:13 PM  
Another town full of people who have no idea what the laws are.
 
2013-07-20 05:53:20 PM  
And, in the meantime, they are trying to get a drone test site in Colorado.  Can see multiple civilian uses for drones.  Bring 'em on.
 
2013-07-20 05:54:31 PM  

oldernell: They're easy to shoot down, but difficult to clean and they taste horrible.


you just have to remove all of the silver skin
 
2013-07-20 05:56:38 PM  

hardinparamedic: mutterfark: Serious question, could you bring them down with some kind of radio "jammer"?

You REALLY want to mess with the people at the FCC? Their methods are..unspeakable.


The iranians claim that they have. It's nonsense, but ecm might be the best way to fight drones.
 
2013-07-20 05:58:22 PM  

grimlock1972: yeah that $100 will sure cover those legal expenses to defend your self on charges of destruction of government property


Maybe not, but I bet it'll go pretty far in the canteen at Guantanamo Bay.
 
2013-07-20 06:03:03 PM  
i.imgur.com
Interested in acquiring your anti-drone technology
 
2013-07-20 06:04:15 PM  

oldernell: They're easy to shoot down, but difficult to clean and they taste horrible.


Nicknamed the Pink bunkadoo ;)
 
2013-07-20 06:12:41 PM  
"The FAA doesn't have the power to make a law," he said.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-20 06:22:25 PM  
Obama will fix this! He just needs a few more terms.
 
2013-07-20 06:23:26 PM  

hardinparamedic: cptjeff: Under most circumstances, no. They're generally programed to just fly around in circles if they lose signal, but if there's a storm creating uneven pressure in the area, the automatic routines can't always keep up.

Even then, you're messing with powers that you really don't want to come down on you. You've just jammed a Government Satellite uplink.

The FCC and other Feds are going to drop the hammer on you.


The zing of the day.
 
2013-07-20 06:33:03 PM  

Rik01: The only 'Drones' I'm aware of in the area here are those hobbyists can buy at a shop and fly like an RC aircraft. A lot of them have cameras built in because folks like having a birds eye view. YouTube has a few videos from cameras placed in the cockpits of these large RC planes and they're pretty cool.


Here's the best one made that's not in the thousands of dollars, a DJI Phantom. Less than $700. 15 minutes of flying time with a GoPro on it. Very little "jello" affect in the picture. It's got built in GPS, if it loses communication with the controller, it returns home.
 
2013-07-20 06:43:12 PM  

vygramul: "The FAA doesn't have the power to make a law," he said.


The ignorance on which part of the government makes laws in this thread is hitting new highs.
 
2013-07-20 06:45:02 PM  

NightOwl2255: Rik01: The only 'Drones' I'm aware of in the area here are those hobbyists can buy at a shop and fly like an RC aircraft. A lot of them have cameras built in because folks like having a birds eye view. YouTube has a few videos from cameras placed in the cockpits of these large RC planes and they're pretty cool.

Here's the best one made that's not in the thousands of dollars, a DJI Phantom. Less than $700. 15 minutes of flying time with a GoPro on it. Very little "jello" affect in the picture. It's got built in GPS, if it loses communication with the controller, it returns home.


How long until the police whine about being filmed - er, I mean, "interfered with" and have those things banned?
 
2013-07-20 06:47:20 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: vygramul: "The FAA doesn't have the power to make a law," he said.

The ignorance on which part of the government makes laws in this thread is hitting new highs.


Not compared to the ignorance that is displayed by someone who thinks that congress would have to pass a new law in order to authorize the FAA to bring serious shiat down on someone who shot at a drone.
 
2013-07-20 06:50:51 PM  
bmwericus:
Shooting at a drone with a firearm would be beyond stupid.

Given the kind of person we're talking about here, I have to say...

Your point is?
 
2013-07-20 06:57:25 PM  

hardinparamedic: And to think, here I've been thinking that shooting at an aircraft, especially with the intent to shoot it down, has been a federal crime since we've had aviation laws on the book.

It's going to be funny when some nutjob decides to try to do that, and either has it crash into a house and kill someone, or has the bullet come down right into a kid's head. Not ha-ha funny, but "Dumbass" funny.


If a 29 ounce battery powered drone crashes into your house and kills someone you need to seriously consider some structural upgrades. The only drones that operate close enough to the ground to be shot down with small arms are the little Remote Control toy helicopters. The kind that have already been used to harass hunters, peek through windows with digital cameras and generally spy on people for thrills.
 
2013-07-20 06:59:50 PM  
I was cleaning my gun and it went off. Prove that it didn't .
 
2013-07-20 06:59:50 PM  
Anti-drone technology? What does that do? Make long-winded boring people shut up?

Is there an ap available at present?

/Asking for a friend.
 
2013-07-20 07:00:12 PM  
Do they get a bonus if it's releasing chem trails when they shoot it down?
 
2013-07-20 07:06:26 PM  
images.wikia.com

What's all this buzz about killing drones?
 
2013-07-20 07:09:58 PM  
All your interwebs are spied, your email readed, now your ass will be monitored from the sky.

You're gonna need to rewrite that national anthem.
 
2013-07-20 07:19:06 PM  

mrbach: All your interwebs are spied, your email readed, now your ass will be monitored from the sky.

You're gonna need to rewrite that national anthem.


Well, I've long ago ditched the "home of the brave" bullshiat from that tune when this country started pissing itself over whatever nonsense our fevered little brains could imagine (as opposed to actual threats).  But, I was looking for a good reason to toss out "land of the free."  This may do it.

Aside from that, however, I don't really care.  I figure if the NSA is curious, anything they're going to find poking around in my emails is going to pale in comparison to the vast majority of internet users.
 
2013-07-20 07:19:31 PM  

wildcardjack: [images.wikia.com image 600x317]

What's all this buzz about killing drones?


Quit bee-ing such a busy-body!

/Don't wanna hear no complaints.
//This is Fark.
///You will never find a more retched hive of puns and villainry anywhere else on the net.
 
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