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(Hot Air)   Another study shows that the link between fracking and ground water contamination is a myth. Thankfully the Party of Science(tm) has conceded to reality and will stop opposing it, right?   (hotair.com) divider line 125
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2013-07-20 09:56:51 PM  
"Drilling fluids tagged with unique markers were injected more than 8,000 feet below the surface, but were not detected in a monitoring zone 3,000 feet higher. "

After how long?  Gee, how was that info omitted from TFA?
 
2013-07-20 10:26:51 PM  
I bet if its done correctly, and drilling is done using best practices and the best materials for containment, its pretty safe. At least in the short term, before the cement used to seal the well starts to breakdown. But what about companies that cut corners or don't have the most experience or know how? In those cases id bet theres gonna be problems. So if we regulate it, and inspect it and there are real consequences for f ups.. then frack away. But that doesn't seem to be the direction we are going. We are regulating less, inspecting less, not acknowledging the real risks, and absolving giant multi national energy company of any responsibility for their actions. I'm not convinced either way.
 
2013-07-20 11:04:25 PM  
Start the fracking around Kennebunkport, and Cape Cod, and Naples, and La Jolla, and other places where the wealthy, super wealthy, and absurdly wealthy build and re-build their cavernous playhouses.  And especially wherever Dick Cheney has his supervillain lair out in Wyoming.  Do it there first.  Let them sign off on the "it's totally safe" thing.  Then let 'em work for five or six years.  Let 'em pump those secret chemicals into the ground long enough for us to know for sure whether this stuff is safe or not.  Let's watch the super wealthy and see if their hair falls out, and they get convulsions, and their tap water ignites.

Then I might start to put a tiny amount of credence in some farking right wing blog citing a "study" that says that fracking is safe.

Not holding my breath.
 
2013-07-20 11:23:10 PM  
Republicans just can't stand the idea that safety concerns are getting in the way of profits.

When will America give corporations a break?
 
2013-07-21 01:59:54 AM  
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2013-07-21 04:11:47 AM  

Kibbler: Start the fracking around Kennebunkport, and Cape Cod, and Naples, and La Jolla, and other places where the wealthy, super wealthy, and absurdly wealthy build and re-build their cavernous playhouses.  And especially wherever Dick Cheney has his supervillain lair out in Wyoming.  Do it there first.  Let them sign off on the "it's totally safe" thing.  Then let 'em work for five or six years.  Let 'em pump those secret chemicals into the ground long enough for us to know for sure whether this stuff is safe or not.  Let's watch the super wealthy and see if their hair falls out, and they get convulsions, and their tap water ignites.

Then I might start to put a tiny amount of credence in some farking right wing blog citing a "study" that says that fracking is safe.

Not holding my breath.



What I've been saying all along.  If fracking and coal is so safe then put it in your own goddamn neighborhood.
 
2013-07-21 09:16:33 AM  
If fracking were a real danger, people would not allow it.  The masses would gather at the sites, at the corporate headquarters, no work would get done.  Congress would have a DDOS of snail mail complains preventing old timer communications.  The frackers would run and hide and deny they ever had anything to do with it.
 
2013-07-21 09:53:15 AM  
How can people not know about this issue? Gasland and Gasland 2 exist. If you haven't seen them, please do so. Then reexamine comments such as, "If fracking were a real danger, people would not allow it."

They have been trying to stop it, for years. Entire towns have been trying to stop it. Regardless of your political affiliation just take four hours and watch them both.
 
2013-07-21 09:59:38 AM  

slightlyfarked: How can people not know about this issue? Gasland and Gasland 2 exist. If you haven't seen them, please do so. Then reexamine comments such as, "If fracking were a real danger, people would not allow it."

They have been trying to stop it, for years. Entire towns have been trying to stop it. Regardless of your political affiliation just take four hours and watch them both.


Apparently, a fiery kitchen faucet is not a sufficient catalyst of the "do whatever it takes to stop it" attitude which is required to overcome the big money + big politics rape of the people and their lands.
 
2013-07-21 11:06:46 AM  

woolvy: Engineer designing drilling equipment to rape your lands, getting a kick, etc

/thinking about taking a field position for a couple years to pay off my student loans, buy house, new car, then come back to the office
//$$$


Meh. A geologist friend of mine worked in Alberta for a while, thinking the same thing. She came back to the Puget Sound area with some rather nasty stories.
 
2013-07-21 11:14:58 AM  

Target Builder: NewportBarGuy: Too many people and groups want energy independence. Fracking will continue and we'll just see what that leads to 10-20 years from now.

Personally, I'm not a fan. But, I highly doubt the process will be stopped successfully with the number of jobs and the royalties/taxes and local spending they promise communities and states.

the thing is... Domestic oil extraction won't lead to energy independence unless the oil industry is nationalized, which will never happen.


Yeah. The US produces and sales plenty of oil and gas on the open market. We also buy from the open market. If "independence" were the real aim, we'd stop international purchases and buy only from some kind of American Oil and Gas consortium setup by New World govs(like Iran does with its production), but of course it isn't the aim. The aim is profit and the destruction of local sovereignty for the sake of corporate impunity.
 
2013-07-21 11:16:43 AM  

FormlessOne: woolvy: Engineer designing drilling equipment to rape your lands, getting a kick, etc

/thinking about taking a field position for a couple years to pay off my student loans, buy house, new car, then come back to the office
//$$$

Meh. A geologist friend of mine worked in Alberta for a while, thinking the same thing. She came back to the Puget Sound area with some rather nasty stories.


From what I've heard, the Alberta fields are pretty dreary places.
 
2013-07-21 11:21:11 AM  

NutWrench: But even the zealous and well-funded bureaucrats at Environmental Protection Agency have so far failed to find that much-desired connection.

Ok, that sentence pushed the article well into joke territory.


Particularly when the Oil and Gas industry just killed an EPA report finding such a connection not a month ago.
 
2013-07-21 11:47:58 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: When coal plants accidentally dump tons and tons of coal ash, laden with heavy metals, that has nothing to do with the process of power generation, but it is a significant risk of coal power generation. Let's not do anything about anything and use the "overzealous staffer" type arguments though. What could go wrong?


Is your argument really going to be that benzene is only used for fracking?

Carth: So you're saying the spill would have occurred if there was no fracking in the state of CO?

I guess the spill relating to fracking in PA is just another vicious lie?

Yup, nothing can go wrong when fracking, I mean it is perfectly safe right?

But by all means lets rush and frack as quickly as possible before we have time to study what will happen 10-15 years.


Yup, you went with the moronic argument. Not surprised. Go on and keep asserting that fracking is the only way a chemical spill can occur.

Lionel Mandrake: Republicans just can't stand the idea that safety concerns are getting in the way of profits.

When will America give corporations a break?


Your concern trolling for safety is duly noted.

slightlyfarked: How can people not know about this issue? Gasland and Gasland 2 exist. If you haven't seen them, please do so. Then reexamine comments such as, "If fracking were a real danger, people would not allow it."

They have been trying to stop it, for years. Entire towns have been trying to stop it. Regardless of your political affiliation just take four hours and watch them both.


There's another film called Fracknation that debunks the films. Josh Fox is lying. He omitted information and accepts stories or fracking damage with no proof. The Sautners were a trip with how their lying was so obvious when even a modicum of criticism was used. Even Fox's story of how he found out about fracking was exposed as a lie.
 
2013-07-21 12:16:35 PM  
"Pumping all sorts of toxic crap into the ground close to where people live and where underground reservoirs are will have absolutely no affect on anything at all. Why do you people keep insisting on worrying about your health and safety and the environment? Do you not want oil and gas and electricity?"
 
2013-07-21 12:25:33 PM  

Mrbogey: Shakin_Haitian: When coal plants accidentally dump tons and tons of coal ash, laden with heavy metals, that has nothing to do with the process of power generation, but it is a significant risk of coal power generation. Let's not do anything about anything and use the "overzealous staffer" type arguments though. What could go wrong?

Is your argument really going to be that benzene is only used for fracking?

Carth: So you're saying the spill would have occurred if there was no fracking in the state of CO?

I guess the spill relating to fracking in PA is just another vicious lie?

Yup, nothing can go wrong when fracking, I mean it is perfectly safe right?

But by all means lets rush and frack as quickly as possible before we have time to study what will happen 10-15 years.

Yup, you went with the moronic argument. Not surprised. Go on and keep asserting that fracking is the only way a chemical spill can occur.

Lionel Mandrake: Republicans just can't stand the idea that safety concerns are getting in the way of profits.

When will America give corporations a break?

Your concern trolling for safety is duly noted.

slightlyfarked: How can people not know about this issue? Gasland and Gasland 2 exist. If you haven't seen them, please do so. Then reexamine comments such as, "If fracking were a real danger, people would not allow it."

They have been trying to stop it, for years. Entire towns have been trying to stop it. Regardless of your political affiliation just take four hours and watch them both.

There's another film called Fracknation that debunks the films. Josh Fox is lying. He omitted information and accepts stories or fracking damage with no proof. The Sautners were a trip with how their lying was so obvious when even a modicum of criticism was used. Even Fox's story of how he found out about fracking was exposed as a lie.


Maybe you should have actually read my post.
 
2013-07-21 12:26:35 PM  
 
2013-07-21 01:09:18 PM  

MrBallou: Barfmaker: Man whoever wrote that thing sounds like a massive douchebag.
The opening line did not fill me with confidence in his objectivity :
"Despite extreme environmentalists' hysterical pursuit of evidence to conclusively link up ..."
Excuse me, I have to go be hysterical now.


You have to admit, though, that 'hysterical pursuit of evidence' is pretty catchy. I need to start using that.
 
2013-07-21 01:58:21 PM  

Mrbogey: Shakin_Haitian: When coal plants accidentally dump tons and tons of coal ash, laden with heavy metals, that has nothing to do with the process of power generation, but it is a significant risk of coal power generation. Let's not do anything about anything and use the "overzealous staffer" type arguments though. What could go wrong?

Is your argument really going to be that benzene is only used for fracking?

Carth: So you're saying the spill would have occurred if there was no fracking in the state of CO?

I guess the spill relating to fracking in PA is just another vicious lie?

Yup, nothing can go wrong when fracking, I mean it is perfectly safe right?

But by all means lets rush and frack as quickly as possible before we have time to study what will happen 10-15 years.

Yup, you went with the moronic argument. Not surprised. Go on and keep asserting that fracking is the only way a chemical spill can occur.

Lionel Mandrake: Republicans just can't stand the idea that safety concerns are getting in the way of profits.

When will America give corporations a break?

Your concern trolling for safety is duly noted.

slightlyfarked: How can people not know about this issue? Gasland and Gasland 2 exist. If you haven't seen them, please do so. Then reexamine comments such as, "If fracking were a real danger, people would not allow it."

They have been trying to stop it, for years. Entire towns have been trying to stop it. Regardless of your political affiliation just take four hours and watch them both.

There's another film called Fracknation that debunks the films. Josh Fox is lying. He omitted information and accepts stories or fracking damage with no proof. The Sautners were a trip with how their lying was so obvious when even a modicum of criticism was used. Even Fox's story of how he found out about fracking was exposed as a lie.


Not the only way, but a preventable one. Thank you for agreeing that fracking causes preventable environmental damage.
 
2013-07-21 03:47:11 PM  
With natural gas acting as the leading cause of the United States' think they'd want to take "yes" for an answer, wouldn't you?

Nope... not suprised.  The environmental zealots will continue to oppose anything that might delay their perfect renewable future energy source, even things that make the current situation better.  So you see, Natural gas is really just the evil man keeping the greenies down...
 
2013-07-21 03:47:59 PM  
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2013-07-21 04:42:58 PM  
Another right-wing wacko trolling headline.
Fark is really starting to suck.
 
2013-07-21 05:05:46 PM  

Shadyman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

I'll just leave this here.


Do you know how much methane is in the auquifers in PA that has nothing to do with fracking, drilling, or mining? This kind of publicity stunt is dishonest at best, an outright scam at worst. 1/4 of PA's water wells tested have methane in them whether they are near fracking or not. Your video shows a tap on fire that has supposedly been contaminated for over a year. Methane in water is not hard to correct. Why would you put yourself in danger and keep using the water for a year without getting a damn vent installed? If you have low concentrations of methane in your water, don't assume that the level is going to stay low. The level can vary through natural means such as the changing seasons and varying amounts of rainfall. Get your well tested on a regular basis and don't just assume it's good since the last test over a year ago was good.
 
2013-07-21 07:01:51 PM  

MarkEC: Shadyman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

I'll just leave this here.

Do you know how much methane is in the auquifers in PA that has nothing to do with fracking, drilling, or mining? This kind of publicity stunt is dishonest at best, an outright scam at worst.


^ Yep. Hence why I posted and ran. Credible sources? Who needs those? I dropped the link and ran for an attempt to incite maximum whargarbl.

1/4 of PA's water wells tested have methane in them whether they are near fracking or not. Your video shows a tap on fire that has supposedly been contaminated for over a year. Methane in water is not hard to correct. Why would you put yourself in danger and keep using the water for a year without getting a damn vent installed?

Perhaps trying to get the fracking company to pay for a vent?

If you have low concentrations of methane in your water, don't assume that the level is going to stay low. The level can vary through natural means such as the changing seasons and varying amounts of rainfall.

Interesting.

Get your well tested on a regular basis and don't just assume it's good since the last test over a year ago was good.

Good advice for any well owner.
 
2013-07-21 07:12:06 PM  

Shadyman: MarkEC: Shadyman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

I'll just leave this here.

Do you know how much methane is in the auquifers in PA that has nothing to do with fracking, drilling, or mining? This kind of publicity stunt is dishonest at best, an outright scam at worst.

^ Yep. Hence why I posted and ran. Credible sources? Who needs those? I dropped the link and ran for an attempt to incite maximum whargarbl.

1/4 of PA's water wells tested have methane in them whether they are near fracking or not. Your video shows a tap on fire that has supposedly been contaminated for over a year. Methane in water is not hard to correct. Why would you put yourself in danger and keep using the water for a year without getting a damn vent installed?

Perhaps trying to get the fracking company to pay for a vent?

If you have low concentrations of methane in your water, don't assume that the level is going to stay low. The level can vary through natural means such as the changing seasons and varying amounts of rainfall.

Interesting.

Get your well tested on a regular basis and don't just assume it's good since the last test over a year ago was good.

Good advice for any well owner.


Penn State has a good website to read for anyone concerned about well water.

1/2 of wells in PA have quality issues, yet only half of the 1 million wells have ever been tested. That means that 250,000 wells in PA have quality issues that people are drinking from with no idea of what they're drinking!
 
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