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(Salon)   Let's get outraged over the fact some organic food may not be 100% organic   (salon.com ) divider line
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2013-07-20 09:42:30 AM  
There's an author who get's paid by the word...
 
2013-07-20 10:11:08 AM  
Does it have carbon in?
 
2013-07-20 10:54:24 AM  
Bury the lede much?

Go back to whatever sh*tty school you went to and demand your money back.
 
2013-07-20 10:54:29 AM  
This just in:

We live in a country where you can say whatever the fark you want
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-20 11:09:27 AM  
We live in a country where you can say whatever the fark you want

Except in food labeling. There are all sorts of rules. Some of them are aimed at preventing startups from differentiating their products from the mass produced junk already on the market. You can't call something organic unless it is USDA organic, and that's not the same as hippy organic. Ben and Jerry's had a regulatory fight when they tried to advertise that their ice cream was free of certain added hormones; the hormones had big business backing.
 
2013-07-20 11:21:33 AM  
"How Big Food Misleads" is news how? Even for Salon, this should be a "Water is wet", "Air is Blowy", "Obama is a Moderate Republican", "I Can Believe It's Not Butter" and "Not All Ladies In Thailand Are Ladies". Organic/All-Natural, Herbicide/Pesticide-Free, etc. shouldn't be taken as literally true, only that they meet a certain (sometimes rather flimsy) requirement.

Like in Canada (up to 3 years ago, anyway; I haven't looked at the regulations for three or four years but with the way Canadian politics worked up until 2011, I'd be very surprised if they've been changed) you could put "Organic" on the label if you didn't use chemicals to grow the food... directly. If you could prove that you did not directly administer chemicals to the plants or the ground, it was considered "Organic". You could have four fields in a grid formation, have three of the four fields use enough chemicals to get Keith Richards high, then let nature (wind, rain, gravity, etc.) blow some of those chemicals onto the "Organic" quadrant, and because you didn't directly administer the chemicals to the "Organic" quadrant the food was considered "Organic".

I have no idea if the USDA regulations are as easy to get around as the Canadian ones are/used to be, but I'd only be slightly surprised if they were significantly more stringent.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-20 11:58:19 AM  
I would rather it be orgasmic.
 
2013-07-20 12:00:44 PM  

cman: We live in a country where you can say whatever the fark you want


Except that you can't. There are rules regarding food, drug and cosmetic products and truth in Marketing for them if you claim to have an "organic" or "hormone-free" product.

Of course, if you're the pseudo-libertarian type that doesn't believe in this, might I recommend Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" as a light bedtime read?
 
2013-07-20 12:36:45 PM  
Hemlock is organic and arsenic is all natural. This trend is rather silly, and I'll be glad when we move on to the next thing (unless it's even sillier).
 
2013-07-20 12:43:51 PM  

WorldCitizen: Hemlock is organic and arsenic is all natural. This trend is rather silly, and I'll be glad when we move on to the next thing (unless it's even sillier).


Nobody ever thought to say, "Socrates, hemlock is poison."
 
2013-07-20 12:44:05 PM  
Having taken both organic and inorganic chemistry I most certainly would avoid 'organic' anything cause that stuff is kinda hard and really time consuming.

Except for CH3CH2OH, that's the only organic product I'd pay for.
 
2013-07-20 01:28:03 PM  
Well, yeah. I mean there must be a significant amount of H2O and probably a decent amount of inorganic minerals. :-/
 
2013-07-20 01:53:01 PM  
Does anyone still believe organic = healthy?  It's more like organic = marketing.
 
2013-07-20 01:54:25 PM  

vpb: I would rather it be orgasmic.


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2013-07-20 02:00:01 PM  
i could take a shiat in a box and mark it organic, but all you got is an organic piece of shiat
 
2013-07-20 02:02:22 PM  

haywatchthis: i could take a shiat in a box and mark it organic, but all you got is an organic piece of shiat


Or just stick your head up the butcher's ass.
 
2013-07-20 02:04:58 PM  
All food is 100% organic. I promise you it is made of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen.

The "organic" label is a tax on stupid people that subsidizes the groceries of people who aren't paranoid.
 
2013-07-20 02:08:19 PM  
*yawn*

To me, unless you grow it yourself/get it from a farmers market that can show/tell you WHERE it was grown at, I don't trust ANYTHING that says it's "Organic".

Reading that headline reminded me of this episode from "Duck Dynasty":

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2013/03/06/2409963/duck-dynasty-huntin g -for-love.html">http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2013/03/06/2409963/duc k-dynasty-hunting -for-love.html
 
2013-07-20 02:08:51 PM  
images.sodahead.com

/Didn't read
 
2013-07-20 02:10:30 PM  

Barfmaker: WorldCitizen: Hemlock is organic and arsenic is all natural. This trend is rather silly, and I'll be glad when we move on to the next thing (unless it's even sillier).

Nobody ever thought to say, "Socrates, hemlock is poison."


"I drank WHAT?"

Socrates
 
2013-07-20 02:10:50 PM  
True, but like all cybernetic foodstuffs they cannot survive without their organic components.
 
2013-07-20 02:12:47 PM  
"Words words words" was all I could really get out of TFA. Not outraged, doing it wrong?
 
2013-07-20 02:13:29 PM  
Begun, the organic wars have.
 
2013-07-20 02:17:22 PM  

fullyautomatic: Begun, the organic wars have.


I have popcorn and I'm selling front-row seats to the War if yall want em, lol!
 
2013-07-20 02:17:23 PM  
All food is organic.
It depends on 'what organic' is in it.
Melamine is yummy.

/So is rat feces in small quantities.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-20 02:17:58 PM  
Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.
 
2013-07-20 02:19:16 PM  
Have faith that Monsanto and pesticide manufacturers are looking out for your best interests. As long as your fruits and vegetables are pretty, all is well. Boycott organic produce and maybe we can eventually get a coating of biocides on all of our food.
 
2013-07-20 02:19:51 PM  

Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.


Doesn't contain chopped up snakes from the cane field?
 
2013-07-20 02:20:29 PM  

Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.


400% markup?
 
2013-07-20 02:24:47 PM  

Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.


I'm guessing "vegan cane sugar" uses activated carbon instead of bone char to decolorize the sugar.
 
2013-07-20 02:25:24 PM  

sheep snorter: Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.

Doesn't contain chopped up snakes from the cane field?


IIRC, some vegans refuse to eat sugar because it's sifted through animal bone char during processing, or something along those lines.  *eyeroll*
 
2013-07-20 02:25:51 PM  

GORDON: haywatchthis: i could take a shiat in a box and mark it organic, but all you got is an organic piece of shiat

Or just stick your head up the butcher's ass.


Wait...it's gotta be your bull.
 
2013-07-20 02:26:50 PM  

stainedglassdoll: sheep snorter: Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.

Doesn't contain chopped up snakes from the cane field?

IIRC, some vegans refuse to eat sugar because it's sifted through animal bone char during processing, or something along those lines.  *eyeroll*


Just to be clear, the eyeroll is towards the vegans, not to you.  I wonder if they'd be ok with using bones from animals that died naturally.  Just go to the desert and pick up a few of those comically cliched cow skulls and you're back in business.
 
2013-07-20 02:27:43 PM  
The freaking article did not once discuss organic food if you don't count the title and tag words. Subby reads the title and guesses what the article is about? Then the anti- organic food crew jump on the keyboards and start pounding away.
 
2013-07-20 02:30:23 PM  
Easy solution:   http://www.goodguide.com/
 
2013-07-20 02:32:21 PM  
I'm all for using less bee-farking pesticides and making better use of waste materials as fertilizer and not administering hormones and prophylactic antibiotics to animals, but the whole "organic" thing is the worst kind of hippy pseudoscience orgone marketing bullshiat, starting with the meaninglessness of the word itself. It's up there on the I-failed-high-school science idiocy with "carbon is bad" and "natural is good".

You'll drink your all-natural 100% organic benzene smoothy and you'll like it!
 
2013-07-20 02:33:03 PM  

Rosyna: Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.

I'm guessing "vegan cane sugar" uses activated carbon instead of bone char to decolorize the sugar.


No no no.

It's made of vegans.
 
2013-07-20 02:36:06 PM  

megarian: Rosyna: Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.

I'm guessing "vegan cane sugar" uses activated carbon instead of bone char to decolorize the sugar.

No no no.

It's made of vegans.


Just vegans' canes.
 
2013-07-20 02:37:11 PM  

Polyhazard: megarian: Rosyna: Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.

I'm guessing "vegan cane sugar" uses activated carbon instead of bone char to decolorize the sugar.

No no no.

It's made of vegans.

Just vegans' canes.


So it IS organic!
 
2013-07-20 02:41:45 PM  
Lookit... just because our label says "100% Free of Raw Sewage" yet it has a 10% raw sewage content is no reason to get your jimies all in a rustle.
 
2013-07-20 02:56:51 PM  
.. I wasn't expecting that big of a response, but ya'all are hilarious. And I learned something today. So thank you :3
 
2013-07-20 03:00:30 PM  
Sometimes a word (organic) can have more than one meaning.
You can look it up on wikipedia.
The origins of using the word organic as a type of farming come from one of the definitions of organic meaning coming from once living matter. It turns out that when soil is healthy through the use of compost and polyculture that plants can better resist pests and many crops can be grown without insecticides. I grow a lot of food in my backyard and I use few insecticides and fungicides and those that I do use are certified organic and if I follow the directions they are probably safer than the alternative chemicals.
 
2013-07-20 03:00:54 PM  
Never give a suckers an even break
 
2013-07-20 03:08:21 PM  

Ringshadow: Whole Foods sells "Vegan Cane Sugar."
I made a game out of asking the employees what exactly that meant. Never got an answer.


it's only because some of the sugar is made with Bone-char or something, which is from animals. Hubby is vegan and he's very relaxed on that sort of thing so we just buy plain ol sugar without empting our wallets like dumbasses.

When I was vegan, i got all my recipes from this book: http://www.amazon.com/Supermarket-Vegan-Meat-Free-Egg-Free-Dairy-Free/ dp/0399535616/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374345773&sr=8-
and there wasn't a single word IN that book about organic. Hell, I bought all my stuff at HEB (that's a Texas chain store) on the cheap *steps off soapbox*
 
2013-07-20 03:08:56 PM  

eldoobie: Sometimes a word (organic) can have more than one meaning.


Sometimes people hijack words to lend their arguments credence.
 
2013-07-20 03:13:53 PM  
Organic is a commonly accepted label for food grown a certain way. It us grown that way to help people not ingest pesticide residues. Some fruits and vegetables are high in it such as apples and strawberries. Other fruits and vegetables have hardly any at all such as mangos and bananas.

It also helps not further pollute the water table with chemicals that are farking up our drinking water and aquatic lifeforms. Then there's that whole business with killing beneficial insects.

Going "lololol arsenic is organic" because you're focusing on semantics or "paranoid hippie hoax ripoff lol" because you think everything that is allowed by gov't is harmless shows a lack of knowledge concerning agricultural science.
 
2013-07-20 03:23:28 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

 you could grow your own.
 
2013-07-20 03:29:34 PM  

Molavian: eldoobie: Sometimes a word (organic) can have more than one meaning.

Sometimes people hijack words to lend their arguments credence.


In the UK organic means the soil in which the crops are grown are certified organic by the Soil Association. The term organic is one of the clearer words applied to food.
 
2013-07-20 03:31:04 PM  

uber humper:  you could grow your own.


Get a few rabbits and you've got your own fertiliser supply while you mow the lawn with them. And you can eat the extras.
 
2013-07-20 03:45:05 PM  
Here's the the thing... vegetarianism is pretty easy to adhere to. You just pretty much avoid eating any kind of flesh and your good. The trace amounts of insects or animal byproducts don't really cause a conflict. You can still use/wear leather products. Some veggies even consider fish okay. Easy stuff.

Veganism? Well that's pretty much impossible. It is something that can only be strived for but never fully attained. Kind of like being the perfect Buddhist. There will always be trace amounts of some such or the other and even if you completely stopped eating you inhale living microbes, swallow them with your saliva, kill thousands every time you blink, etc. The idea is to minimize all consumption of other creatures as much as is possible.

Complete veganism = never existing in the first place.

It is still a laudable goal though IMO. Aside from the smarmy ones (of which I've had to suffer plenty) I'm not sure where all the hate comes from. If they aren't actively interfering with your life eat your steak and STFU. Most of them don't give a flying fart what you do.
 
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