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(CNN)   88 year old U.S. Navy pilot Thomas Hudner, wingman to first African-American navigator in U.S. Navy history Jesse Brown, returning to North Korea to retrieve the remains of the man he promised he'd come back for   (cnn.com) divider line 58
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2013-07-20 08:51:02 AM
I read a similar story yesterday in my local paper. What I didn't know is we would napalm the crash sites like that.
 
2013-07-20 09:16:28 AM

BizarreMan: I read a similar story yesterday in my local paper. What I didn't know is we would napalm the crash sites like that.


Wasn't that pretty common?  Well, still is?  Didn't they kaboom the crashed chopper in the bin laden raid?  Because, you know, secrets.
 
2013-07-20 11:08:16 AM
I'm sure that it was purely for the propaganda value but good on NK for letting the group in to search.

The story shows once again that it doesn't matter what color the man by your side is (well, beyond the color of the shirt on your backs...) when the chips are down.  Something that would be good to realize for those recently filling the airwaves & internet with hate.
 
2013-07-20 12:23:25 PM

nekom: BizarreMan: I read a similar story yesterday in my local paper. What I didn't know is we would napalm the crash sites like that.

Wasn't that pretty common?  Well, still is?  Didn't they kaboom the crashed chopper in the bin laden raid?  Because, you know, secrets.


The SEALS c4'd it, and that actually was a secret piece of equipment. I don't know that all crashed aircraft get bombed.
 
2013-07-20 12:26:59 PM
Aviator
 
2013-07-20 12:27:59 PM
Rejected headline: "It took 63 years for the first African-American navigator to finally find his way home."

/ducks
 
2013-07-20 12:30:57 PM

HMS_Blinkin: The SEALS c4'd it, and that actually was a secret piece of equipment. I don't know that all crashed aircraft get bombed.


Depends on how paranoid they are about it.  Don't generally want electronics, maps, radios, etc, anything that the enemy might get information off of or use to get more information to fall into their hands.
 
2013-07-20 12:31:39 PM
Just wanted to get in and say how cool this is before the misanthrope farkers who insist that proper burial for the dead is a stupid artifact of unenlightened times come in to shiat on this guy.
 
2013-07-20 12:33:05 PM

theurge14: Rejected headline: "It took 63 years for the first African-American navigator to finally find his way home."

/ducks


David figured out how to be a navigator in like two hours. It took an adult six decades?
 
2013-07-20 12:35:20 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theurge14: Rejected headline: "It took 63 years for the first African-American navigator to finally find his way home."

/ducks

David figured out how to be a navigator in like two hours. It took an adult six decades?


Niiiiice... :)
 
2013-07-20 12:37:00 PM

Recoil Therapy: I'm sure that it was purely for the propaganda value but good on NK for letting the group in to search.

The story shows once again that it doesn't matter what color the man by your side is (well, beyond the color of the shirt on your backs...) when the chips are down.  Something that would be good to realize for those recently filling the airwaves & internet with hate.


^
This
 
2013-07-20 12:37:59 PM
Brown's F4U Corsair was damaged while flying near the Jangjin Reservoir, known as the Chosin Reservoir by Americans, in the northeast of North Korea. He crash landed on the rough snow-covered terrain. Hudner refused to leave him. He crashed his own plane close by with the intention of pulling Brown from the wreckage.

He crashed his own plane to save his squadmate? Wow, talk about gutsy. Considering what modern fighters are worth and what sort of top secret gizmos are on board, would that sort of action be acceptable today?
 
2013-07-20 12:44:19 PM
This has got to be one of the coolest, and craziest, stories I've heard in awhile.  Instead of just circling his wingman's wreckage and providing CAS, Hudner crash landed his plane in an effort to effect a rescue.

Baller.  Pure baller.
 
2013-07-20 12:46:58 PM

Chach: Just wanted to get in and say how cool this is before the misanthrope farkers who insist that proper burial for the dead is a stupid artifact of unenlightened times come in to shiat on this guy.


Remembering and caring about your departed friends - especially those friendships forged in combat - is cool.  If going back for remains helps you get through Survivors' Guilt, also cool.  Crashing your own plane to try to save your friend from capture - heroic.  'Proper burial' is a silly artifact of our tendency as humans to fetishize what we don't understand.

/ misanthrope, but a gentleman (I hope)
 
2013-07-20 12:48:07 PM

miss diminutive: He crashed his own plane to save his squadmate? Wow, talk about gutsy. Considering what modern fighters are worth and what sort of top secret gizmos are on board, would that sort of action be acceptable today?


Take into consideration he was flying an almost 10 year old plane that had probably seen use in WWII at that time. There wasn't anything modern or top secret about it.
 
2013-07-20 12:52:26 PM

hardinparamedic: miss diminutive: He crashed his own plane to save his squadmate? Wow, talk about gutsy. Considering what modern fighters are worth and what sort of top secret gizmos are on board, would that sort of action be acceptable today?

Take into consideration he was flying an almost 10 year old plane that had probably seen use in WWII at that time. There wasn't anything modern or top secret about it


I figured that. I was asking about modern day pilots flying modern day planes.
 
2013-07-20 12:53:27 PM

miss diminutive: hardinparamedic: miss diminutive: He crashed his own plane to save his squadmate? Wow, talk about gutsy. Considering what modern fighters are worth and what sort of top secret gizmos are on board, would that sort of action be acceptable today?

Take into consideration he was flying an almost 10 year old plane that had probably seen use in WWII at that time. There wasn't anything modern or top secret about it

I figured that. I was asking about modern day pilots flying modern day planes.


What's the paycheck garnishment look like for an F-22?
 
2013-07-20 12:54:38 PM
A hero wouldn't have let the dude get killed.
 
2013-07-20 12:56:52 PM
HMS_Blinkin

IIRC, DevGru used thermite grenades to destroy the electronics. Parts of the helicopter were indeed recovered by Pakistan.
 
2013-07-20 12:58:35 PM
Props for crashing his plane to get his buddy, but never leave a man behind.
 
2013-07-20 12:59:23 PM

hardinparamedic: miss diminutive: hardinparamedic: miss diminutive: He crashed his own plane to save his squadmate? Wow, talk about gutsy. Considering what modern fighters are worth and what sort of top secret gizmos are on board, would that sort of action be acceptable today?

Take into consideration he was flying an almost 10 year old plane that had probably seen use in WWII at that time. There wasn't anything modern or top secret about it

I figured that. I was asking about modern day pilots flying modern day planes.

What's the paycheck garnishment look like for an F-22?


I assume their great-grandchildren would be paying it off.
 
2013-07-20 01:00:25 PM
Whoa... 15,000 troops involved... 3,000 killed.... 8,000 still missing... what the hell?
 
2013-07-20 01:00:48 PM
Hudner begged superiors to allow him to return to the wreck to help extract Brown, but he was not allowed, as other officers feared an ambush of the vulnerable helicopters resulting in casualties. To prevent the body and the aircraft from falling into Chinese or North Korean hands, the U.S. Navy bombed the aircraft with napalm two days later, with pilots reportedly reciting the Lord's Prayer over the radio as they watched Brown's body be consumed by flames. The pilots observed that Brown's body was still stuck in the aircraft, but his clothes were gone.

Damn.
 
2013-07-20 01:01:15 PM
miss diminutive: Considering what modern fighters are worth and what sort of top secret gizmos are on board, would that sort of action be acceptable today?

I'm pretty shocked it was acceptable back then.  As I alluded to in my post, I'd imagine SOP would be to provide CAS until a rescue team could helicopter in (where's FLYNAVY when you need him?).  This dude traded an airborne platform with powerful weapons AND mobility for his sidearm, all in an effort to save his buddy.  Add on to that how insanely racist the military can still be.  I can only imagine the hairy looks he got from racist white aviators regarding his decision.

Were I rich, I'd buy this dude a lifetime of drinks.
 
2013-07-20 01:01:15 PM

miss diminutive: hardinparamedic: miss diminutive: He crashed his own plane to save his squadmate? Wow, talk about gutsy. Considering what modern fighters are worth and what sort of top secret gizmos are on board, would that sort of action be acceptable today?

Take into consideration he was flying an almost 10 year old plane that had probably seen use in WWII at that time. There wasn't anything modern or top secret about it

I figured that. I was asking about modern day pilots flying modern day planes.


My grandfather was an engineer in the USAF in Korea.  He said there was all sorts of freaky crap pilots were flying about.  Pop-pops is a bit of a nut, but he can still tell you about the gear he worked on back then that's now public/standard equipment... even tough he can't remember if he has pants on or not.
 
2013-07-20 01:02:28 PM

BizarreMan: I read a similar story yesterday in my local paper. What I didn't know is we would napalm the crash sites like that.


These days we try to recover it if we can.  We typically lift out crashed helos in Afghanistan.  If we can't, we'll typically drop a few bombs on the wreckage.  We dropped something like 8 GBU-12s and 38s on a crashed Predator in Iraq in '07.  They wanted to make sure nothing was left.  They bombed the F-15E that went down in Libya as well.  So while we don't napalm them anymore (the "PC" term is firebomb these days), we still deny/destroy the crash sites when we can't recover them.

/Marine Aviator
 
2013-07-20 01:04:31 PM

m053486: (where's FLYNAVY when you need him?).


Holy shiat. How dare you disrespect a Brave NAVAL AVIATOR such as him.

He is on that wall. You want him on that wall. You NEED him on that wall.
 
2013-07-20 01:28:21 PM
Stringfellow Hawk is still inconsolable about not being able to find his brother Sinjin
www.iwallscreen.com
 
2013-07-20 01:32:22 PM

m053486: This has got to be one of the coolest, and craziest, stories I've heard in awhile.  Instead of just circling his wingman's wreckage and providing CAS, Hudner crash landed his plane in an effort to effect a rescue.

Baller.  Pure baller.


Heroism was never partisan, and seemed to have zero issues with crossing colour lines. Hudner most likely did what he would wanted done for himself, if he crashed. A golden nutsack isn't required, just a strong will to do what is needed to be done. That said, Jessie Brown has been on of my online Avatars for years. I'm glad he's coming back home where he belongs.
 
2013-07-20 01:42:04 PM
Shop Wal-Mart.
 
2013-07-20 01:47:13 PM

Molavian: Props for crashing his plane to get his buddy, but never leave a man behind.


If the PJ's or equivalent of the time were bugging out there is nothing a downed pilot with a pistol can do exactly jack and shiat. FTA it sounds like he had already gone by that time.
As prior AF, I would not want to risk any of my friends lives to recover my broken shell.
Sad to say but rather one widow than 2 or more with orphans for good measure.
 
2013-07-20 01:50:09 PM
missiv: Hudner most likely did what he would wanted done for himself, if he crashed. A golden nutsack isn't required, just a strong will to do what is needed to be done.

Gotta throw a flag on this one.  I cannot imagine that crash landing one's plane in an attempt to effect a rescue was ever part of the training Hudner received.  His actions were above and beyond what (I imagine) would've been expected.

From a wide perspective, Hudner was much more valuable to the overall situation at the stick of his aircraft: he would be able to provide CAS to keep the baddies away from the crash site, as well as helping to cover the helicopter's rescue attempt.  He instead chose to become a one-man rescue crew, despite having extremely limited means of getting his buddy out of there.

As for the fantasy that military members are blissfully colorblind, I can tell you from experience that's not always the case.  I met plenty of dudes in my time who, despite being well educated and urbane, believed the value of a dark-skinned person's life was much less than that of an Anglo.  I assure you that there was plenty of head scratching from racists about Hudner's actions.  I mean, it was just a black guy.  Why do something so crazy to attempt to save him?

kabar, I'd love your thoughts on Hudner's actions.  I dunno what you fly, but would crash landing your aircraft to attempt a rescue be a scenario covered in your training?
 
2013-07-20 01:52:10 PM
Wait, I assume he was told NOT to follow the other pilot once he'd crashed.  Yet he left his aircraft to pursue the African American pilot.  Then after observing the cockpit was still occupied, dropped napalm on him, because "They always get away" I presume?
Where is  Al Sharpton?
 
2013-07-20 01:52:28 PM
A Fall River, MA native, too... Nice.

Love when someone from my hometown gets some press that doesn't involve junkies, poverty, or transvestite prostitutes stabbing a would-be mugger with a broken golf club.
 
2013-07-20 01:55:27 PM

m053486: This has got to be one of the coolest, and craziest, stories I've heard in awhile.  Instead of just circling his wingman's wreckage and providing CAS, Hudner crash landed his plane in an effort to effect a rescue.

Baller.  Pure baller.


How I'm going to believe the situation went:

Hudner:  "Eagle Nest, Eagle Nest.  This is Eagle Three.  Eagle Two is down; I repeat, Eagle Two is down.  Need immediate Search and Rescue to my coordinates, over."
Command:  "Eagle Three, this is Eagle Nest.  We have no immediate forces in the area and the enemy is advancing.  Multiple bogeys inbound.  You are ordered to RTB immediately.  Please acknowledge."
Hudner:  "Negative acknowledgement, Eagle Nest.  We have a man down out here."
Command:  "And we will go after him, Eagle Three.  But you are to return to base - that is a direct order.  Acknowledge."
Hudner:  "...Eagle Nest, amend previous report.  There are now two pilots down.  I repeat, two pilots down.  I cannot RTB.  Send all available forces to my coordinates."
Command:  "Eagle Three--"
Hudner:  "Eagle Nest, this is Eagle Three.  Out."

/probably not accurate Navy terminology
//also probably a few F-bombs sprinkled in there too
 
2013-07-20 01:55:51 PM
This fellow sounds like Forrest Gump.
 
2013-07-20 01:58:43 PM
This aint over till hes standing on US ground with the pilots remains.
  I can see the Best Koreans taking by force the remains of the pilot if they're found and making some claim of some sort about evil America or something or trying to ransom the pilots remains for trade concessions or a few thousand bushels of grain . I hope like hell im wrong but BK is  belligerent  and psychotic and starving.
 
2013-07-20 02:00:05 PM
Clutch2013: Multiple bogeys inbound.

Fun fact: "bogey" is nomenclature for an unidentified aircraft (could be friend or foe).  "Bandit" is the term associated with a known enemy aircraft.

You weren't wrong, just thought I'd share.  Also, your imagined radio conversation is a lot like I thought it might've went down, too.
 
2013-07-20 02:13:40 PM

Luse: Molavian: Props for crashing his plane to get his buddy, but never leave a man behind.

If the PJ's or equivalent of the time were bugging out there is nothing a downed pilot with a pistol can do exactly jack and shiat. FTA it sounds like he had already gone by that time.
As prior AF, I would not want to risk any of my friends lives to recover my broken shell.
Sad to say but rather one widow than 2 or more with orphans for good measure.


What I gathered is that they didn't know.  I'd sure as shiat think that if you're willing to prang your bird you'd stick around long enough to figure out if the guy's dead.
 
2013-07-20 02:16:59 PM
Molavian: prang your bird

Band name of the week right there.
 
2013-07-20 02:23:51 PM
It's sad and beautiful that sometimes war makes people realize that all men are brothers.
 
2013-07-20 02:34:11 PM

duenor: Whoa... 15,000 troops involved... 3,000 killed.... 8,000 still missing... what the hell?


You should see how many are still missing from World War I and II (although a lot in WWII went down at sea).  Every year our school does a huge Veterans Day program for the whole community. As part of it I put out a Missing Man table in the lobby with a display about the human cost of war from the Revolutionary War on.  Include numbers on those still missing.from various conflicts, articles that I pull from papers about remains that have been found, families still waiting, etc.  This article will join them next year.  A lot of the teachers also read the book America's White Table to the kids so they understand the significance of the items.  I've seen quite a few tears as people stand and read those articles and contemplate the table.  One year I even had a kid go home and set one up for his family.

/they also serve who only stand and wait
 
2013-07-20 02:36:22 PM

SuddenlySamhain: This aint over till hes standing on US ground with the pilots remains.
  I can see the Best Koreans taking by force the remains of the pilot if they're found and making some claim of some sort about evil America or something or trying to ransom the pilots remains for trade concessions or a few thousand bushels of grain . I hope like hell im wrong but BK is  belligerent  and psychotic and starving.


This could be a sign that KJU knows the predicament that he's in and he's looking for a way to stop riding the tiger that doesn't involve being eaten.

/perhaps literally, given lil' Kim's tubbiness and the starvation levels of the people there
 
2013-07-20 02:36:58 PM
Thirty-five years from now, that could be Obama.
 
2013-07-20 02:41:34 PM

m053486: missiv: Hudner most likely did what he would wanted done for himself, if he crashed. A golden nutsack isn't required, just a strong will to do what is needed to be done.

Gotta throw a flag on this one.  I cannot imagine that crash landing one's plane in an attempt to effect a rescue was ever part of the training Hudner received.  His actions were above and beyond what (I imagine) would've been expected.

From a wide perspective, Hudner was much more valuable to the overall situation at the stick of his aircraft: he would be able to provide CAS to keep the baddies away from the crash site, as well as helping to cover the helicopter's rescue attempt.  He instead chose to become a one-man rescue crew, despite having extremely limited means of getting his buddy out of there.



You're going under the assumption that Hudner had already knew Brown was trapped, was terminal and could not be extricated no matter what which obviously was not the case. I'm sure he made the decision because he thought being physically next to Brown would've been more helpful than being hundreds of ft up in the air.
Hindsight is always 20/20. I would've done the same thing.
 
2013-07-20 03:51:54 PM
What an honorable thing to do...
The war, not so much.
 
2013-07-20 04:26:56 PM

Resident Muslim: What an honorable thing to do...
The war, not so much.


You realize we're talking about Korea, not Vietnam here, right?

Or is it just that you think the people of South Korea would be happier living under Dear Leader right now? Because those were the stakes.
 
2013-07-20 04:44:55 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Resident Muslim: What an honorable thing to do...
The war, not so much.

You realize we're talking about Korea, not Vietnam here, right?

Or is it just that you think the people of South Korea would be happier living under Dear Leader right now? Because those were the stakes.




Korea was a proxy war between the west and China and the USSR. We now know that Soviet pilots were flying Mig-15s, and shooting down US aircraft. And the government of south Korea were no angels. Things are certainly better for the south Koreans now, but we were supporting a pretty brutal authoritarian government.
 
2013-07-20 05:29:37 PM
Nice story subby. Thanks.
 
2013-07-20 05:37:29 PM
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